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VOTE: whiskersIn post 2272, Whiskers wrote:
Probably because I'm the god of "the prophecy" (IIn post 2271, Wisdom wrote:What I asked is how it's explained that you can neighborize.amquoting there). But under the "Ability" section, it says merely, that, "carpe diem, you're a neighborizer."
I'm highly unconfident with my vote here but well, my role pm works other ways. I have flavor in the ability section too.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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the 'too' was supposed to be aimed at wisdom, who repeatedly asked you to provide the flavor.
and how the hell is florida related, what the hell.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Wanted to see how the newguy from othersite reacts. Didnt get what i seeked.
Oobas post makrs me more certain with my voat.
Leta compile a list of ppl who have abilitu flavor or not,maybe itsjusr going to be 10v3 lolIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Lol, sketchy ppl. What does that mean?
Ooba was a slit i considered sorta switzerland. So him saying that hes like me makes me feel safer with my voteIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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first point was directed at wisdom but I'll address it too. Town don'tIn post 2341, Whiskers wrote:
Which is to say, you have no evidence.In post 2340, Wisdom wrote:I don't care why you did it, you're fakeclaiming and it's the most solid evidence we have.
I guess we already knew that, itisDay 1. But by now you've built up this illusion that you actually had some kind of, I don't know, support behind your attacks...
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Wisdom has hardly proven himself a pirate. Get off of his shoulder and speak for yourself.needsupport to scumhunt. they just do that. by covincing others, they will earn their support; not just have it from the beginning to start with. we have evidence against you mate; our role PMs. in many peeps' PMs the ability has flavor explanation for it. you supposedly don't, and are the only one who doesn't.. this means taht you don't actually have that ability that you say you do. we practically know that there's gotta be some scum in the pack of three neighbourizers. you don't need to convince me any further than this.
regarding the second point, wisdom is not a pirate at all. he's literally attacked..everyone. his reads are up and down so often and so quickly it's llike, well, *censored*. I'm not following wisdom here. I'm just coincidentally(lol) agreeing with what he says about you. and I'm in tons of work this week so don't expect me to restart making my superwalls like I did with wisdom atthe time.
oh you know just what I said you dirty little slotIn post 2343, ooba wrote:
What did you just call me??In post 2331, shos wrote:Ooba was a slit i considered sorta switzerland.
penguin is town. sorta active lurking in the tunnel, yes, but still town.In post 2344, ooba wrote:
Sounds like B-movie taglines...In post 2335, Whiskers wrote:Am I just scum with an erection for danger? Do I merely want a brush with death? To play necksies with the business end of a noose?
I was checking out VCs and penguin hasn't moved\changed her vote from Mirari all throughout the day. wow.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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U NO FUNNI U LIL SKAMBEGIn post 2353, Grimgroove wrote:By that measure I should be declared Innocent Child.
that bucket theory is a good, good, GOOD thing. I never thought about it but now I am totally taking it as a tool for scumhunting. I totally nail ooba to the town pile for the while.
{whiskers, mala, matt, mirari} - this pack could include at least 2 scums imo.
@mirari: I dunno, judging by peng's activity he just really believes it, I'd think. I've also earned myself some townread on him for earlier posts. it's not like you post too much good stuff for him to change that read. I dunno if he has any other scumreads, if he has none then I agree it's odd.
@wisdom: think about your own scumgame. do you usually call both your partners town? both scum/hardbus? no. you usually split them.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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why do you think there would be a scum virgin? dunno why it doesn't sit well on me.In post 2356, ooba wrote:I expect one scum to be in the Neighbourizers (fitz), one in the virgins (Grim) and one in the rest (Peng).
and three virgins is hard to believe as well; the gods are definitely not virgins, and we only have one virgin claim, so that's odd.
@wisdom: you are correct, it shouldn't be taking place. however, this proves to me that ooba is genuinely trying to scumhunt.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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@wisdom 2361: no, but because he actually brought a new, seemingly original way to think while you're scumhunting, and that's a 150% town use of brain. you can't wind it out just by saying that he's acting as if he's already found scum.
@mirari 2362: actually I'll quote cuz this matters
this actually has a point. it got me thinking and I really can't answer it. I need to ISO myself to see where and why I townread Peng so hard; I'll do that via phone tomorrow, I guess. not too much time today. I have like 20 minutes.In post 2362, Mirari wrote:penguin has voiced suspicions of other players [Mala, MattP] but has never truly thrown her wait behind a wagon for either one. She isn't even really throwing her wait behind my wagon. She's coasting on scumread on me.
@Ooba: how is virgin scum a godfather? he cannot be neibourized, yes, but he still has a QT, right? so mala would find it anyway. it would be VERY interesting to make a setup based on QTs where there's one scum member who cannot access the QT
and yes it was pretty obvious who the second virgin is -_-;
I find it odd that you go for hunting the scum NEI before the scum VIRGIN, btw.
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I see that ooba has suggested something similar to what I did - I hardly believe that is it, it is waaaay too far fetched to be real.
Mirari, being a godfather-neighbourizer is foolish, cuz if you nei and get investigated they know you're godfather, lol.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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wisdom, re:grim claim to protect matt: don't agree. when I'm scum I drop this kind of wifom all the time.
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that doesn't seems like the only way it's going to work, and it's really wishy washy. I have a bad feeling about this.
it might be possible that something needs to activate certain things. I mean, there's a spare night before the copping begins, so there might be something else that enables/disables abilities. this setup spec is waaaaay too wishy washy.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I am on thevqueue for open modding. Then ill get my mini theme going, and it is CRAZEH. Dunno how experienced elyse is gaming wise - this is what affects the setup craziness! Not modding exp.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Btw note how mala and matt both disappeared into the shadows the moment the pressure on them was removed.
Matts final finals should have already ended a while ago.
The games pace has decreased a lot, sibce the town is syddenly all divided in setup specs; imo that means that scum are just comfortable with the situation as it is with town confuzzled. That means we were on the right track earlier imo.
IF oobas theory is true then theres a silent virgin here somewhere, in the pool of unclaimed. Therefore i think neighbours should test it. Each neighbour target an unclaimed? Mala will probably die anyways before she can spew info on d3; so it doesnt hurt so much even if she is town.
Find the lying virgin using neis, and lynch nei to find scum?
We need to plan it so that scum nei cant supposedly nei his buddy tho, so pick some universal townread to say who does what..
So all in all lynch whiskers, nei say wisdom/des and nacho/ika, if theres a doc protect mala...
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Why not? We have already six claims. We assume that theres another (scum or not) virgin. We also assumeone nei is scum, one virgin is scum. So lets hunt the last virgin down using the neis, and meanwhile search for scum nei via lynch?
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Ph my gawd 28 pages :0
Anyway if we were lynching someone for not obeying your plans immediately we would have all been dead by now. He *has* posted since so im just guessing that equals no. I dont agree to such a lynch reason lol.
If we go by claims, whiskers should be lynched, dat claim without flavor in ability andd that mess around day/night. He is one of the nei claims so thats OK cuz its a small lynch pool.
If we dont hunt by role setupspec and assumptions, then im OK with matt, mala, and probably thats it.
I have a townread on peng although mirari gave me a point to think about regarding him. Townread on ooba is strong, very sttong. Null on ika and nacho, ika cuz mollie was meh and ika is meh to the other side, and i alwaus have real hard time reading nacho. Might iso him if i have time.
Wisdom is omgwtfnull. His posting has very many omgus- he callspractically everyone scum if they dont agree with him/act as he wants, and hes a little dense in many cases and stubborn as hell. But all these are not alignment telling and by now i have no idea how to read him.
Des needs to participate more. Honestly, i remember mollie more than him. Dont remember shit about him.
GG has his sparks and im leaning town on him from gamestart behavior, but his claim puts him in a pool likely to contain scum and ooba is supertown so we'll see eventually.
Wis whis malmatmol ooba gg nacho me peng
Oh mirari
Well hmm. Mirari can be scum. Can. Im thinking town, but this is a very weak read.
Oh and fitz yes duh well. I think he is town. His catchup was good iirc.
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how would a 'yes' cause more confusion?In post 2449, Wisdom wrote:
Are you sure that equals "no" to you?In post 2415, ika wrote:
To cause more confusion?In post 2367, Wisdom wrote:I think we should have the other Virgins claim, if they exist, to confirm your theory. It's sounding very accurate right now.
It equals "Why the fuck should I claim" to me.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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that is just such a useful answer oh my gawd!!
nobody doubts they're nei. question is the alignment.In post 2451, Nachomamma8 wrote:
All neighborize mala the likely target of protection for confirmations sake.In post 2436, penguin_alien wrote:Neighbors have confirmed that they have QTs in place already, which makes me like the idea of having them neighborize one another to aid in sorting.
Virgin-hunting seems less useful. Flavor-wise it's possible to have multiple virgins, but it's pretty speculative, plus given that all the neighborizers that have claimed work differently, it's likely that multiple virgins would work differently as well.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I saluté thee, Cpt. ObvoiusIn post 2468, Wisdom wrote:Well.. either whoever is virgin is not claiming it, or the theory is wrong.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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@whiskers2473:
Your ability to nitpick is incredible. That was me writing the names of ppl in the game, trying to say what i think about all of them. I dont remember all the names so i wrote it down. The "oh mirari" part shoild make it clear - the pne i cmissed was mirari.
Of allvthat post i made this is all you have to say eh? That my spelling capabilities whileposting from phone is not perfect?
You justify my vote on you repeatedly.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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I dont get the ika lynch. Seems to me like the entire reasoning on him is 'has a chance of being a lying scum virgin'.
Ifvwe really go by setup spec then i dpnt see why we arent lynching from the nei pool, whiskers first.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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you keep saying that you 'struggle to read my posts' as if I'm posting gibberish all the time. around 3-4 times per GAME happens a post that you need to read for more than 1 second, yes, but cope with it, the fact that you keep complaining doesn't suddenly allow internet in the army network. it is of no use and it just makes you SO FUCKING OBNOXIOUS aand antagonistic. how comes you're the only one complaining??In post 2502, Whiskers wrote:
It's because 2247 really has nothing else I can comment on. I'm struggling to read your posts most of the time-- and even in tone, you've become the new pirate mollie, haven't you?In post 2500, shos wrote:@whiskers2473:
Your ability to nitpick is incredible. That was me writing the names of ppl in the game, trying to say what i think about all of them. I dont remember all the names so i wrote it down. The "oh mirari" part shoild make it clear - the pne i cmissed was mirari.
Of allvthat post i made this is all you have to say eh? That my spelling capabilities whileposting from phone is not perfect?
You justify my vote on you repeatedly.
What am I supposed to say to "Lynch whiskers, whiskers is the lynch because she claimed neighbour without flavour (even though I didn't claim without flavour) and Day (even though you haven't pointed out why that would be a scum-trait)."
Also, if what you explain here is the case, you fucking forgot Desp, way to go.
and I would like to hear your explanation about the 'change in tone - becomes new pirate mollie'. what tone is it that I'm using? I'm being practically a book with my opinions; I say everything and anything about everyone. everything going in my mind I say. In post 2447 I wanted to update my readlist one veryone, but alas! I don't remember all the people IN ORDER by heart, so whoever came to mind goes first. let's revise:
this is part A. tell me what's so bad with it, and I'll listen.In post 2447, shos wrote:Anyway if we were lynching someone for not obeying your plans immediately we would have all been dead by now. He *has* posted since so im just guessing that equals no. I dont agree to such a lynch reason lol.- to wisdom, regarding ika. more explanation about why I thought this was a 'no' follows. later ika stated it specifically.
If we go by claims, whiskers should be lynched, dat claim without flavor in ability andd that mess around day/night. He is one of the nei claims so thats OK cuz its a small lynch pool.- that is to everyone, regarding you. I don't understand what tone you feel, again. perhaps that 'andd' is too hard for you to read? hint: ignore the second 'd'.
If we dont hunt by role setupspec and assumptions, then im OK with matt, mala, and probably thats it.- scumlist in short.
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So let's see.I have atownread on pengalthough mirari gave me a point to think about regarding him.Townread on oobais strong, very sttong.Null on ika and nacho, ika cuz mollie was meh and ika is meh to the other side, and i alwaus have real hard time reading nacho. Might iso him if i have time.
Wisdom is omgwtfnull.His posting has very many omgus- he callspractically everyone scum if they dont agree with him/act as he wants, and hes a little dense in many cases and stubborn as hell. But all these are not alignment telling and by now i have no idea how to read him.
Des needs to participate more. Honestly, i remember mollie more than him. Dont remember shit about him.
GG has his sparks and im leaning town on himfrom gamestart behavior, but his claim puts him in a pool likely to contain scum andooba is supertownso we'll see eventually.
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Oh mirari
Well hmm.Mirari can be scum. Can. Im thinking town, but this is a very weak read.
Oh andfitzyes duh well.I think he is town.His catchup was good iirc.
Think this prettymuch sums up what i can remember.
we've talked in length abuot mala. we kinda agreed to disagree - I still think mala is scum, wisdom thinks otherwise, etc. I explained why I think you are scum, the mess with the claim(which really shouldn't happen after 24h from confirmation if you're true-claiming) and the lack of flavor in ABILITY which everyone seems to have but you. MattP hasn't really posted in a looooong while so there's really no reason for my read to change on him, especially since he is in the same pool claim-wise. the townread on peng is something i have to revise - as written- since really I dun remember why I hold it and mirari just gave me reasons to recheck it out. I did not explain townread on ooba in this post, but this teory of him and his superawesome idea of scumhunting via The Other Bucket or whatever its name is - these made me have a reallllly strong townread on him, which I said.sorta explained the nulls on ika and nacho and thoroughly explained the wtfnull on wisdom. I said that I don't' remember Des, and explained why I'm still townreading GG and yet suspicious of him.
okay, what next? I tried to remember who else. it's REALLLY not that hard.
this miniwall here - it is merely a repetition with little more explanation of my reads. it has nothing special, really, except showing you how bullshit spewing you are, by now it feels like you're constantly looking for reasons to discredit me to appear like you do something. and now you also start butting wisdom. you're not playing like town, not at all, and in combination with your claim fails, I conclude you be scum.
didn't know you had a scumread on mollie. I didn't have- should I have had? can you explain?In post 2504, Wisdom wrote:
Nope. He also replaced mollie.In post 2501, shos wrote:Seems to me like the entire reasoning on him is 'has a chance of being a lying scum virgin'.
and can you explain how comes this is not lynched yet?In post 2505, Wisdom wrote:
Except you didIn post 2502, Whiskers wrote:even though I didn't claim without flavourIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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that's exactly the point. The game isn't planned for a D1 massclaim. in theory, the chances that with at least 2 town neighbourizers after 2 nights one of them has tried to nei the scum virgin, and FAILED, means that if the QT cop supposedly targets that virgin, he has to be scum, and cannot claim to have been neied. it the virgins are, the way I see it, the only targets the QT cop is useful for. if the qt cop targets a virgin, whether claimed or not, they KNOW his alignment. get it?In post 2506, havingfitz wrote: Not sharing shos' high praise of ooba's bucket theory.
Why would there be a scum virgin? Since scum (IMO) would have a QT to begin with...to say a scum couldn't be neighborized because they were a virgin would be giving them an inordinate amount of town cred. Though...if the QT Cop is legit and decided to investigate a virgin (which is only GG atm...correct?) and the virgin had a QT...that would be a pretty bad result for the ~virgin.
that theory supports mala town and either whiskers or matt being scum(assuming that I'm convincing a townie here....) and one of the virgins to be scum as well. the only bad thing I could think of is scum nei targetting their virgin, supposedly, so that they're both protected supposedly; but that would only happen after they know tehere's a qt cop and that kinda confuses the clusterfuck of claims here....
either way, correct or not, this thinking by ooba is very townie.
vote whiskers with me? if it's not by much?? ^^''I still have a hard time believing there are three town neighborizors and if I had to lean towards one being scum...it's still be Matt. But not by much.
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I did not remember this.
it doesn't make sense that some people have flavor in their ability and some don't.
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In post 1409, Wisdom wrote:Her Whiskers push is too nonsensical and stupid, even for mollie. She should understand by now that Whiskers plays like that, and she should at least be ignoring him if not having fixed the issue between them. The whole thing is an act and a distraction.
She is not scumhunting (above point relevant). She should have some suspects by now - she has none. When asked who she wants to lynch, she dodged and said that penguin is better than Mala. Which was not an answer.
Some of her reads looks very fake. For instance, the read she gave on MattP in 1338 looks like a textbook fake townread that applies to every scenario.
Meta. This is not how town-mollie plays. I won't go into details.
Counter argument: mollie can be this stupid sometimes and focus on things that might not make much sense (hence my "when does mollie ever make sense" to Desperado). But I think she is way past the acceptable limit.
hasn't someone said that this IS mollie's meta? O_o;
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re:scumhunting, I usually don't like this argument, but I have no will to start reading a thousand posts so I'll take your word for it
re:whiskers push - same thing, lol, but if she pushed whiskers that's already a good thing lol XD although I remember having a townread on whis gamestart, so maybe that's the opposite X:
anyway, I have much better reasons to vote Matt, Mala and Whiskers over mollie.
I have to say, my confidence in whiskers is not skyhigh now seeing des' post. That mess around the claim is bad, and the latest posting of whis is freaking horrible, dat nitpicking, ignoring and posting on irrelevant stuff. whis does have some goot content here and there but I really dunno.
I'm thinking maybe to just let it go and call him wtfnull just like wisdom, and go back to voting matt -_-; lemme get some other games first, I'll need to refresh.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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that's even worse, but I..kinda disagree with it. I think it's bad, but not to SUCH a great extent. when you pushed ME, whiskers was the only one who made sense, iirc. I might've been biased in calling him supertown for it, but I also called GG town in that time, dunno. the latest antagonization march against me that he's taken is veeeeeeery odd the way I see it. I'd probably at least understand the pov if he was voting me, but he isn't even that, so I just conclude scum when combined with the other points.In post 2514, Wisdom wrote:
That's how he has been posting for the entire game...In post 2512, shos wrote:the latest posting of whis is freaking horrible, dat nitpicking, ignoring and posting on irrelevant stuff.
..so you prefer fitzscum over matt & whiskers? can you elaborate on this specifically? I've been getting precisely the opposite idea of fitz.In post 2515, ooba wrote:Both Grim and fitz are on ika? Good D1 mislynch if I ever saw one.
are you saying 'vote me if you dare'? O_o; what's the point of this?In post 2516, Grimgroove wrote:ooba, you've been calling me scum for a while now. Time to put your arguments where your mouth is.
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just the fact that you said this should show you how wrong it is to do that, assuming I don't scumread ika, which i indeed don't. If i just sheep the universal townreads/nullreads which is practically what this is, ignoring my scumreads and stuff, that would result in an entirely not informational lynch that may very well be a mislynch, imo.In post 2519, Grimgroove wrote:Do the reasonable thing and jump on the obvtown train consisting op people who put time and energy in this game when it actually mattered and vote ika.
so no.
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Looks like whiskers started reading. The forced conclusions are wrong inherently tho. Ill read the longwall and explain more from computer. Till then, im still strictly against a lynch based on setup spec with no flips.
Pedit these are not all null reads. My nulls arenacho, des, and nullwtf in wisdom. You trying to cut it black or white is wrong.instead you can divide it to 'will lynch *today*' and will nit.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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It seems that none of my scumreads (whis, mat, mal) are viable lynches. It also seems that many people are voting ika for reasons i cannot parse. This feels like the wagon is full with sheep and scum; not a single person defends that slot(apart for me, i guess you can say that), not even ika himself...
I truly believe we shoild be lynching from the nei pool; 2 of those 3 are in my scumlist, AND it fits with the setup spec, so yeah.
Dunno when deadline is, but we should plan night actions as best as possible, and well - lynch scum preferably lolIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Lol @whiskers
Im phoneposting. Im not confirming your conclusions, you know. The claim shit was what got my interest; your reactions and behaviour since then - THAT was what got my attention. The moment you were voted - first time in the entire game - you freaked out like a madman and started spewing crap in wisdom's posting speed. That is not how town respond to fire. Liar, liar, your pants are on fire, mate.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Wisdom: no. I dont. Its really WKing based on others' posts and gut.
And we should decide what the nei do i think tobtry to make use of malaIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Mala is delayed. Scum wont shoot her now, only tomorrow night. Tonight theyll hunt for the unknown roles, like me, you, nacho, des etcIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Watch her maybe. Doc her maybe. Town can have a go in lack of other pts. We dont know that, and scum too, and we also dont know what scum have.
So in your opinion neis should just target whoever they want?In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Penguins iso is really not helpful in determining anything. So, i looked at miraris iso, from 2258 onwards. After that, i looked at ikas iso. That one looks like lurker. I understand the difficulty in replacing into such a game ib a different site, but well, more content is needed either way.
I can see both as scum.
I have reason for peng.
I do not have for ika.
Of the two, ill prefer a peng lynch. I think. I am def not sure itll scumflip, but its...i dunno, my gut qbout ika and that whole newbieish feeling im getting from that slot.
Ill read some more - i have around ten more minutes.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Matt and mala are lurking their way to mislynch, guys.
Can we PLEAAAAAZE lynch either of them today instead?
Look at malas last posts.
1. Cold feet on peng
2. Vla
3. Ika wagon is bad.
mala is distancing herself from two mislynches, my guess.
And matts finals were supposed to end on the 17th according to him. Its been FIVE DAYS.
And now both are not voting at all...
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Yes it does. It shows that wgiskers didnot actually read my post. It shows that whiskers tried to discredit me no matter what i did, and the wall of china shows that when heactually reads what i posted, he in fact has a lot of stuff to go on, which condemns him.
And yeah mala is not a good lynch anyway. She will probavly die on her own..In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Goddamn, why is everyone insisting of using meta as their whole argument.
I said it a thousand times: regardless of the target, META IS NOT ENOUGHIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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