Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over
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shos, I'll try this once. If you want to listen, good, otherwise feel free to scumread me for the remainder of the game, I don't particularly care.
Everything you pointed out are playstyle tells. All those things are things I do as town (and as scum) all the time. Now, my playstyle is anti-town on its own, because as Whiskers pointed out, my scumhunting is very egocentric and I fail to work with town. The arrogance this produces makes people who don't know me believe I am scum, because I act as one as opposed to as part of a group. I have been attempting to change that following a recent game that my behavior destroyed the game, but it's not easy and I am feeling like I am just reverting back to my usual play anyway.
Now this game has lots of people who know me, so you won't be getting any support. Maybe one or two will get paranoid for a while, but that's it. So your choices are either to accept that you are wrong and I am town, and move on to actually scumhunt instead of whining about how you don't like my play, or keep whining and getting scumread in the process.-
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I have not played with Whiskers before. Like you, he was annoyed by my playstyle for the same reason; he doesn't know me.
Chain of Command
Probably the best example, but if you pick almost any towngame from my wiki you'll still find it.-
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And?In post 824, Grimgroove wrote:Nachomamma has been whiteknighting Malakittens.
How did he do that?Nachomamma has been the most subtle in trying to move votes to the shos wagon.-
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MattP - Town
ooba - Town
Mirari - Town
Whiskers - Town
Desperado - Town
Nachomamma8 - Town?
ArcAngel9* - Town?
Malakittens - Town?
pirate mollie - Town?
Grimgroove - Town?
shos - Town?
penguin_alien - Scum?
I don't like my reads at all right now. Too many people who look like town but I can't confidently say they are.
Grim might have a point on Nacho - solely the fact I am not confident about him being town in page 34 means something is not right.-
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Nacho, you usually pick a suspect and push him. I disagree with you and push someone else. In the end, most likely, I sheep you. And most of the time, your suspect will actually be scum and mine town.
That's how it has been for almost all our games.
Where is that now? Who are you pushing? Even your shos vote was sheeping Matt and you are not really trying to push shos, to encourage us to lynch him. You are also not really scumhunting for anyone else. You are very passive and just going with the flow of the game instead of taking initiatives.
Not to mention, I didn't like your defending of me earlier. I expected you to be slightly more paranoid about me. You've never caught me, after all.-
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I'm trying to read him.In post 858, MattP wrote:Wisdom, why are you trying to make Grim out to be scum?-
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That's all you have to say?In post 859, Malakittens wrote:Can we lynch Peng, please?
What happened that strengthed your belief that penguin should be lynched?
What do you think about mollie, about shos, about Nacho, about everything that is happening in this thread?-
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Seriously? She's hardly in the spotlight. What has she been doing other than pushing peng?In post 896, Nachomamma8 wrote:she's more in the spotlight than she's comfortable being as scum.-
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That looks fake, Nacho. You never expected me to say that? How so? If you are referring to my tunnels, even when I have them, I don't ignore the rest of the game. But even if I did, are we talking about me here? Does Mala play anything like me?
How is what she is doing ok? She is only responding to Desp, she is only spamming "lynch peng" and she is doing nothing. How are you not doubting your read on her at all given such play?-
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I'd like an answer to this and a readlist.In post 862, Wisdom wrote:
That's all you have to say?In post 859, Malakittens wrote:Can we lynch Peng, please?
What happened that strengthed your belief that penguin should be lynched?
What do you think about mollie, about shos, about Nacho, about everything that is happening in this thread?-
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How do you not have a read on him? Did you read his exchange with mollie? Did you reach no conclusion from it?In post 931, Malakittens wrote:It could be possible, but I was townreading her early.
I mean I don't even have a read on Whiskers yet. I am not the best at reading that kid.
What about his exchanges with me or Matt?
And why does the fact you were townreading her early, as you say, keep you from updating your read based on her recent behavior? Do you think mollie cannot have a strong scumgame and fool you?-
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How? I am asking you to read Whiskers and you tell me "it looks like his town game and one post like his scum game".
That's helpful? Comment on his content, comment on his exchange with mollie, comment on his exchanges with me. You have seen the guy in another game.
But no, you just rush a forced read and run away.-
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Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know who I am voting?In post 965, Malakittens wrote:This is Penguin's scum game, but you're not seeing it.-
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While I don't disagree with the meta itself; why are you not waiting for her to actually post, but instead are encouraging people to speedlynch her? Why do you rule out that she is just inactive for her own reasons and jump to the conclusion she is inactive because she is scum?In post 965, Malakittens wrote:As I stated last time I chased her when she was scum she shrughed me off very similar to what's she's doing now. She's not posting, but coasting. This IS her scum game. When she was town and I did go after she reacted differently. She was engaging most of the players and this game she is not doing that at all. Plus I noticed in her town game she moves her votes around faster than she does in her scum games. All of which she's not doing.-
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So youIn post 965, Malakittens wrote:If I see a post by her I don't like I'll calll her out about it.likethe posts where she is stating again and again that the Whiskers' "attack" on her is personal, while it obviously isn't?-
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You thought that just because he didn't RVS? Why? Have you never seen people skipping RVS?In post 965, Malakittens wrote:I really thought he had a vote restriction on him-
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Eew wtf did I just readIn post 965, Malakittens wrote:Shos and Grim is kinda hard to give a pure read on them. Both of them are buddying each other hard; overlapping with each others reads. Gut says one is scum and one is town; wagon says Shos might be town, but doesn't tell me what Grim is. Facts say this is too obvious for scum partners. So either one is town and the other is scum or one is town and the other is town.
First of all, you are completely wrong. shoshasbeen buddying Grim, Grim has changed his read on shos a thousand times AND called shos out on his excessive buddying.
Secondly, "wagon says shos might be town"? Wtf is this? How?
This post sounded like typical bullshit scum make up.-
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Your Whiskers read is terrible too. He was pushing mollie because he didn't like her attitude. Just like he pushed me, just like he pushed Matt. It's his way of scumhunting. Nothing to do with how you are pushing penguin.
You're either scum, or you have paid such little attention to the game that you don't know what's what. Or both, which is what I'm going with.
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That's not what he said, he said that if someone puts me to L-1, he will hammer.In post 974, Malakittens wrote:along with I'm only willing to hammer Wisdom-
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I didn't care about it, I found it stupid and I had better things to care about. But now you keep repeating it in your attempts to justify your reads, which is bullshit.In post 974, Malakittens wrote:Why didn't you ask me about that earlier?-
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You said they both were hardbuddying each other, so no, you are not aware.In post 974, Malakittens wrote:I'm aware Shos has been buddying Grim.
The speed of a wagon has no bearing on the wagonee's alignment. Find better excuses.The wagon on Shos built a built quicker than I expected which leads to me that Shos could be town.
So now it's an information lynch? I thought you were just sure that penguin is scum. You can't even be consistent.So having a Peng flip would give me more information on others players.
It is. "hey guys it cant be scum-scum, it must be town-scum, and this one is the scum, lets lynch". Forced conclusions based on nothing that scum make up all the time.It's not "typical" bullshit scum make up. This is how I form some of my reads early in Day 1; I have been known to do it with some of my hydras and sometimes my partners don't even understand. It's just how I think; how I play; how I hunt. If that makes me sound scum so be it, but that's my thoughts on the process of the Shos-wagon.-
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Did you read it?In post 924, Whiskers wrote:note to self:
read http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5502557 later.
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