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Not really. With the number of unincant's @ anywhere above 7 there's no real problem with it. And when it goes below this number like 21 days have passed so we should be deciding on a lynch by that time anyway.Seacore wrote:Random votes are a bad idea. And people should stop them. The fact that you can't "Unincant" means that it's dangerous to get a large amount of ingenuine votes going.
No. Scum even in multi scum set-ups are still scum. having played multi-scum it's slightly easier to scum-hunt alright but you're still trying to push a scum agenda wherever possible so tells are still dropped. It does mean that pushing a lynch on scum doesn't mean town, but town tells shouldn't be dismissed.My next thought is that we should all be careful to avoid interpreting "pro-town" behaviour as actually town, since all the scum are scum hunting genuinely as well.
My vote really wasn't random at all. I thought Snow_Bunny's fos was a load of BS.I'm not FoSing Faraday or Dis because I believe that they were just trying the usual RVS.
What is this. Reading the first post isn't scummy.So Datadanne, are you just somebody who reads everything or was that link in your inbox? Tempted to incant you right now...are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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If there was 2 people on 5 votes each at the end of that period where 6 incants are needed they'd both be lynched come the next period as far as I understand it.SerialClergyman wrote:
Say what? My reading of the rules are that the point at which someone is lynched decreases every 3 days. So you need 12 incants for the first 3 days, 11 for the next 3 etc etc. So I don't know how you can get multiple lynches out of it?it might eventually create a double or even triple lynch.
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Don't like this.Seacore wrote:Yeah, it's definitely dangerous to have a good hard think about how this game might be different to a standard mafia game.
It's poisonous indeed to clearly state my views so that if I then change my behaviour it's clear that I'm acting out of character.
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What about if I wanted to see how Sno_bunny reacted to my unexplained votes? Do you also not think it's possible to discenr if someone is making up stuff after their vote, as I certaintly do. Looking at unexplained votes being automatically scummy is bad. Everything has a use.Seacore wrote:
Because it's important for town to understand your motivations so you can be held to account by them, rather than enable you to ascribe motivations to them later. Scum are revealed by their reasoning, so we need to see yours.Fara wrote: Why?
I don't like the way you brushed off the attack w/ sarcasm.And what don't you like about my statement? Transparency of opinion is the crux of a good town game.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Yeh and I'd have liked to have seen that the first time.Seacore wrote:Well I've already explained my thoughts on each of his points, but fine, I'll do it again.
Chaco why would possibly ever want to NL the first day? I read the rules, and since a NL is a bad idea today, then obviously I had no real need to hold my vote.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Tells can be given off in response to pressure. When someone votes for someone without a reason the accused may wonder why, they may panic or may continue to act in a scummy way. The fact you believe all unexplained votes to be scummy is a tad naive, and there very very useful as far as I'm concerned. I'm not however interested in arguing mafia theory, but suffice to say I'll use my vote as I feel is best.Seacore wrote: I'm also against people just voting without saying anything else, I don't care what your secret plan is Fara, it still looks scummy. Anybody, scum or town, will ask you the same question "why did you vote for me" it reveals nothing, but makes us harder to hold you to account.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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In general? No. here? probably but there's only been 1 random vote to my knowledge so far, so that's a moot point.Seacore wrote:Also, Fara, I would like to hear, do you agree/disagree with my thoughts on
Random bandwagons being bad
Power roles being evident of being "pro town" and thus less trustworthy
Pro town tells being significantly less helpful compared to scum tells in this game as opposed to normal games.
In fact, I would like to hear from other people on these points as well.
Power roles aren't an indication of being pro-town neccessarily. Obviously I won't take a claim at face value anyway.
Disagree with this, I don't think they'll be 'significantly' less helpful, maybe slightly less but I'll probably still trust town reads.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Yes it had a reason.DeathSauce wrote:
So you are still claiming that your vote within an hour of the game going live was not a mistaken random vote, but actually had a reason? I'm not buying this. It was a random vote and there is no way you could have expected it to elicit a reaction with meaning. If you think it did, explain it to us, otherwise admit it was a random vote.Faraday wrote:
Tells can be given off in response to pressure. When someone votes for someone without a reason the accused may wonder why, they may panic or may continue to act in a scummy way. The fact you believe all unexplained votes to be scummy is a tad naive, and there very very useful as far as I'm concerned. I'm not however interested in arguing mafia theory, but suffice to say I'll use my vote as I feel is best.Seacore wrote: I'm also against people just voting without saying anything else, I don't care what your secret plan is Fara, it still looks scummy. Anybody, scum or town, will ask you the same question "why did you vote for me" it reveals nothing, but makes us harder to hold you to account.
I don't care if you buy it or not.
How the fuck could you possibly know what I was expecting? You a mind reader.
Obviously it didn't, but that didn't mean it couldn't have elicited a reaction.
Please state why I would pretend a random vote was not random.
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Yeah I hate people asking me retarded questions, SORRY!DeathSauce wrote:
Seems I certainly got a reaction from you, and I didn't even have to incant you!
Uhh, your first question is exactly what I am asking you. I'll answer your second question when you answer mine[/quote]Please state why I would pretend a random vote was not random.
Then since you're questioning me on it tell me why it's scummy.
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Yeah I hate people asking me retarded questions, SORRY!DeathSauce wrote:
Seems I certainly got a reaction from you, and I didn't even have to incant you!
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Uhh, your first question is exactly what I am asking you. I'll answer your second question when you answer minePlease state why I would pretend a random vote was not random.
Then since you're questioning me on it tell me why it's scummy.
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Why does the length the game has been going on matter? Seriously are you saying I can't have a non random reason for a vote after an hour? Why? That's absolutely laughable.DeathSauce wrote:
Yeah, I know you said that. I asked you how in the fuck you could claim that a vote in a game that was LESS THAN AN HOUR OLD could be anything but random, dipshit.Faraday wrote:to elaborate on you needing to l2read, I answered the question already by saying it wasn't a random vote.
(cursing and name-calling added in an attempt to converse at your level)
3rd time asking, explain what I would gain by doing this.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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What? I'll use 'Fuck' and stuff like that, but I wasn't insulting you at all. No need to apoloigise really, I don't mind.DeathSauce wrote:Ok, Faraday, I owe you an apology. I apparently do need to learn to read because I was looking at DisCode's first post in ISO when I thought I was looking at yours. That's what I get for having 4 tabs open in the same game.
I find your line of questioning odd though. I still want an answer to my question, eventually.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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It sure is. But seriously what's the point of saying this?Seacore wrote:Okay, so it looks like I'm going to be the first lynch. Which is a shame.
You said:"3)My Vig - Mafia comment- This has been taken massively out of context by DisCode. I was saying that as far as each cult is concerned, the other cult is basically a Vig who doesn't care if they miss.Each scum team is effectively a vigilantee who doesn't care if they miss." You don't mention the as far as the other cult is concerned, and it's also not really implied here either.
Yeah. I don't think the same thing can be achieved by FOS'ing, if I think someone is scum I'll Incant them for the most part. If they respond well I should always have a second suspect to incant, I don't like not voting anyway, especially lately, so imo it's not a problem with my vote going somewhere.Serial Clergyman things that I'm doing this to remove votes and thus remove pressure. I think the same thing can be achieved with FOSing, and , as I've said above, as the deadlines trickle by, having 12 votes lying around starts to become a serious issue, because after someone has responded well (i.e. as town) to the pressure, the vote needs to go somewhere.
Yeh, there's no need to discuss this now though. Imo there should be no 'set play' everything is situational.5)Controlling future lynches- <snip>
Bolded is again re-emphasising your townieness, I dislike statements like this, in general.Since then I have been trying to explain my concerns, but I've also been making a few comments here and there on others. So that's a slight straw man by SC there. He's claiming that I'm not doing anything that is hurtful to scum, I disagree, I think my strategies hurt scum quite a lot, but thats the overall argument, not just one for this point. I've also been generating lots of discussion, if I'm lynched,and when I come up as town,I'll have generated pages of people disagreeing with certain points of my ideas. Hopefully that will help.
Seems partially a playstyle difference in someways, but it feels the way you went about this is wrong/scummy, it's like you're trying to shut down the use of people's town-tells, and town-tells are something I think are as effective, and more-so sometimes, as scum-tells.7)My dislike of using town tells- <snip>
Meh, not really scummy to me, too much. Just seems a silly thing to ask.8)My question the GM as to whether there were 4 cult on each team- <snip>
Why are you focusing your analysis on the people who have interacted negatively with you? Seems like you're ignoring everyone else.Basically four people keep showing up to really argue against my points. DisCode, Starttransmission, Fara and SerialClergyman. Other people have agreed with them, but they're the main three of have answered my posts in length.
Disagreed here.Discode is looking very scummy.
I don't know what you mean by 'fake out'.Fara, I just don't like his play style, he doesn't give as much information as he does, claiming it's to "fake out" people. I think town should be transparent at all times, thus anybody who isn't transparent is scum. Fara seems to be posting a lot, but not really engaging in much, just defending his initial vote and disagreeing with me, less analysis than the other three.
You seem to play in a very black and white way, I personally don't think it's right, or even good play to automatically say stuff like you've been saying. 'Unexplained votes = scummy' and 'anyone who isn't transparent is scum' are just generally false imo.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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* Deathsauce needs to answer my question as to why I'd pass a random vote off as series.
*Seacore, how come you haven't asked for his reasons? I thought saying things w/o explanation was IYO, scummy? Yet you haven't questioned him on it at all and find him townish?
*Mipe's Mod vote is very odd. I don't even know what to think of it, it's a semi-open game, there's not gonne be a mod-player.
*Also you say I provide as little reasoning as possible, to my knowledge I've only done that once. You seem (and iirc Mipe too) seem to have taken it as a recurring theme in my posts, when it doesn't seem to be there.
*what is the flavour text comment talking about? I've legit no idea what you mean here, so clarify, please.
*Snow_Bunny, Data and Mipe need to provide more.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Okay to me flavour text = the text the mod provides to set the scene for the game, so that's why I was confused.Seacore wrote: The flavour text is where you point out that you don't like how I say it's a shame that I'm going to be lynched and that if I'm lynched, when I flip town, etc. It seems a pointless thing to have a go at somebody about. I was thinking through a long post and I didn't stop and triple analyse each phrase, I just wrote it as I thought it. I can kind of see your point when people try to subtley put in suggestions that they are town, but I was too lime light for that to ever work. I half wrote that post from the point of view that I was going to be lynched and I wanted to contribute something before I died.
And the reason I point them out is that they're appeals to emotion, which I find scummy. It's also softly asserting your town for no real reason, as it doesn't help anyone,
And defeatism, obviously doesn't help anyone.
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Post 132 is generally very horrible for a number of reasons.
He's obviously no commenting as he wants to keep as little information to hiomself as possible, plus there not really answer I'd expect him to answer, as it doesn't generally happen in any mafia game.
I've also no idea as to why you would possibly think the mod is a cultist. I don't even know if I find that scummy, it's just really, really weird.
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Fair enough @ Deathsauce I'd misunderstood and thought you were mid-reading the insult, that makes more sense though actually.
136 by semioldguy is all quite correct, good catch by SC on noticing his lack of Mipe but I also kinda like his answer, so it's forgivable.
Chaco why is that a flimsy stance? It's pretty much my position, if it happens it happens, I think if we have 2 good candiates and can agree fair enough, and if not meh it's not a massive deal.
And yeah, 18n days is more than enough time to find a lynch. I abhor long days anyway.
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Snow_Bunny's 146...
Too many neutrals here for me, basically takes very few definitive stances. Lots of neutrals.Magua -> town. Few posts, but they are good so far. His vote on mipe is noted.
star -> neutral, leaning town. A few good reading in general, though there's something in this post I don't like. Maybe is telling Seacore what to do in case of suspicious.
chaco -> scummy. Putting the idea no-lynch for future days in the table; his appeal of shrugging off the buddying just don't make it to me.
Seacore -> scummy. Among others, discrediting budding; his long post tries to say things but in the end nothing. However, his comments on the incants in play seem rather townish.
Faraday -> neutral, leaning scummy; the whole vote with reason no stated at the beginning of the game is scummy. Though something tells me he's town.
mipe -> scummy; question to the mod about last words of the cultist just stroke me as scum (apart from his general lack of comment, but well, I can say much either)
DisCode -> neutral, leaning town. Gut tells me is town, but I'm not sure.
DS -> neutral, not enough to get a read; though I didn't like his reaction towards DisCode's request. Too aggressive.
Semi -> Neutral, leaning towards scummy. Didn't like his last big post, we differ in many things, and I find scummy many of those.
Data -> Neutral, not enough to get a read.
Well, I guess that's all for now.
Mipe is looking quite scummy now, gut + that odd question. So, for now Incant: mipe. I'd also be happy with a Seacore lynch.
Seacore is a second lynch choice despite having some townie points. Chaco has none of these and isn't her 2nd lynch choice. odd.
basically she doesn't seem to be sure on a lot. Her stance on me is perfect to show that. Neutral leaning scummy? Yet something tells her I'm town. Wow @ that whole bunch of nothing. I've no idea why there's any point to this if you've got so little positions, though I appreicate the contribution.
Seacore is fairly scummy, but I think Snow_Bunny's is at this point more likley to be scum.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Just a quick post.
I'd like to more information on what Mipe is talking about, as at the moment I don't really believe him, it seems very bastardly for a mod to have a semi-open set-up and not have all possible roles listed.
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Should be back in full swing for the next few days, although my exams do start
Incant Chaco, 181 is horribly scummy.
Snow: Do you think data is town or scum atm? Asking for clarity as I'm not 100% sure from your post.
I'd like for you to explain the scum++ point against me, and why it's scummy. I really don't understand why you're calling that scummy.
I still want Mipe to explain wtf he's doing. If he has information he should share it as far as I'm concerned, it'd certainly make his actions slightly more reasonable. At the moment all this set-up questions at the expense of scum-hunting is scummy.
Also note everyone is now incant, and remember you can't unincant at all, so bear this in mind.
SC your 186 is rather weak. If we were playing by normal rules it obviously wouldn't have happened. I see what you mean, but I don't understand why it's worrying, we're not playing by normal mechanics so it will obviously affect our behaviour.
I'll second Magua's questions as to what you mean by 'a lot' too. I'd imagine there are scum both on and off the wagon, but I can certaintly see why people would want to Incant Mipe.
Data still needs to post content, I'm not intending to let him skate by a whole day with absolutely nothing.
There's no one I'd be happy to eliminate from being scum-buddies at the moment actually. I'm also not sure how helpful this question is, it's not really scummy but eh, I don't see the point of it.Here's a good question actually: Who do you think are NOT on the same team. Either one scum, one town, or two different scum. (You don't need to guess which)are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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To be fair, that's just what he's done.semioldguy wrote:@mipe
What is your role name?
Don't partially reveal information to the town. That is scummy. It allows you to make stuff up later so that it fits your claim rather than having your actions fit your claim as the game goes on.
And second the role name question.
QFT.
I'm having a hard time getting past this.Percy wrote:There are no secret mechanics.
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It sounds like Mipe's scum partner is a Guardian, from reading between the lines.
I say that as I don't buy that claim atall.
The fact the the mod says no comment means he's not going to comment, jesus, it doesn't mean that's he hiding something.
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Why? What's really scummy about him wanting to lynch someone everyone has decided is obvscum.Snow_Bunny wrote:I don't like startransmission's 228. Why are you in a hurry to lynch someone? This gave me a bad vibe.
Eh, in my experience both of these are actually the case. The only reason he wasn't lynched in SC's bastard game was b/c he claimed a confirmable role. He also played awesome with it, but his day game was ridiculously bad.semioldguy wrote: I don't think he will be entirely useless nor do I think he will be impossible to read. .
Seems likely, at this current venture. Tho' I'm unsure about her buddies. I thought you were possible earlier, but how and ever.DeathSauce wrote:
Because you are scum, probably teamed with start and possibly DisCode.
Such a useful exchange.mipe wrote:
Nope. Also, what do you mean with 'partners'? I have no partners, or atleast, I'm not informed that I have any.Snow_Bunny wrote:
So, your scum partners are on the wagon? Thanks for the info.mipe wrote:It's not holy when I know that atleast 5 non-holy persons are going to kill me.
Yeah, in general it's a good point. It's even better if someone's been providing content and there's been enough to get a read on them.DeathSauce wrote:
Yes, she took a loud stance that could also be seen as daytime coaching, and has labeled him "Neutral" in two different analyses. I like to look at players that other players consistently claim as being "neutral' or 'unreadable'.Seacore wrote:Ah sorry, I missed the "start" in your post as well.
Yeah, I really don't think she's with start, given she took a loud stance against him, and if they were on the same team, they'd either both be for the data lynch or both against it.
Also Discode hasn't posted for a while, has he?
Okay basically a double lynch isn't going to work atm. Also another flaw is that if either data/mipe are scum (and mipe is obviously) then they're gonna fuck this up for us, more than likely. It's probably not feasible so ..bleh. Still disagree that it's a policy vote, he's been scummy in this game too and is unlikely to improve, plus he's been scummy.
The scum won't be the majority. I guess they could equal it at best, but there's no way we've 7 scum in a game this size.DeathSauce wrote:
False assumption. There are only 12 players in this game, and it is entirely possible that the combined scum cults are the majority. Going along with the majority could in fact be pro-scumSeacore wrote:1) I'm trying to establish whether you are willing to go with what the majority have said (which is pro-town, even if you disagree with it).
Semi's 277 was something I've realised too, I think at this stage a double lynch even if it could be a good idea won't work, unfortunately.
Okay so mostly caught up.
Ftr I think people are not understanding Magua's point at all, it's pretty clear to me he's not saying that but I guess I can let him answer for himself.
If he is, by some chance, saying that then's it a horrible idea.
Lol'd @ this post. He's trying to sow doubt in the town's mind here, obviously. Yeh let's hang this guy.mipe wrote:Might be my last question for this game, use this information as much as you want to:
Mod: Is it possible that there are more than 4 on one cult? So is it possible that one cult could have, say, 5 members?
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Originally thought that about his claim, and I still agree with it.SerialClergyman wrote: In my view, it seems likely that the scum have one guardian. That was why mipe could claim those powers. The investigation was going to be faked and the other stuff came from guardian protection.
IDK, I think pretty much everyone *eventually* wanted a Mipe Lynch It's seeing what people thought of his play before his bad claim that's the key point, I think. I'll read back over the game to see who's a possible scum buddy later. I still dunno if 3 are likely. Think about it w/ 3 people and a guardian the amount of crosskills are reduced (or chances of them) so I think that's unfair on the town.So that means there is a darkness guardian out there, and possibly a darkness goon. If that's the case, I imagine one is on the mipe wagon and one isn't. If we have 2 members in the cult, there is a guardian by himself looking hopeless. If we have 3 members, there's one NK-immune and investigation immune goon around.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Hmm I agree. I don't find the points expressed against Chaco to be very good. I find him quite scummy still, but when I look at it there doesn't seem to be an awful lot there, really.startransmission wrote:I think Chaco is town. I find the points that semi and dramonic are using against him are weak. Chaco has done well with pointing out why. And I also see a buddying between Semi and Dramonic.
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Yeah Selective scum-hunting is a very good tell, although I think it's reasonable early in the game at the same time. I mean we've little enough info so using what we do have seems reasonable enough at the same time.That's a little weak, to be honest. One of the better scum tells I've found in multi-scum setups is selective scumhunting, so going after the group that is already weakened for no particular reason is not
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Ya know it might help if you said why he was scummy day 1. It also might be useful if you'd mentioned Discode day 1,SerialClergyman wrote:
To that end, I thought your point about Seacore was excellent, but unlike you I'm going to vote discode because he wasn't on the mipe wagon, was on the Seacore wagon and was scummy throughout D1.
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Disagree here. I think mipe's partner would have wanted a double lynch as it would have at least got him something out of the day, i.e. at least he loses a scum-buddy but someone else dies too. This is assuming 2 scum of course. I can see it working either way, but I think I'd lean to him being on the double lynch group if it was a tell either way.semioldguy wrote:@Magua
I don't think starttransmission to likely be scum buddies with mipe. If you are voting him because of a scum partner read with mipe, I don't think you should. He was one of the few players yesterday pushing more strongly for a mipe lynch by not dragging the day out and allowing for the travesty of a coordinated double lynch which could have let mipe save himself. Mipe's partner would most likely be for the double lynch in my opinion rather that actively seeking to avoid it.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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I thought his post where he popped in to lay down a vote and then popped out was horribly scummy, so I voted him for it. This was when I was waiting for Mipe to come back w/ his explanation for all the stupid questions.semioldguy wrote:
You were incanting Chaco yesterday. What do you see as the case against Chaco, or your own case against Chaco that led you to incant him yesterday, and why is that not enough to earn an incantation from you today but was enough yesterday?Faraday wrote:Hmm I agree. I don't find the points expressed against Chaco to be very good. I find him quite scummy still, but when I look at it there doesn't seem to be an awful lot there, really.
And it should be obvious why. Different days, we've had 2 flips of dead people now, so it changes how I look @ the game. I didn't like Sc's last post, and want to hear what he has to say about it.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Um. So you're voting for someone you don't/didn't find scummy in Discode. What? Also Data was prety much a non-entity day 1 so talking about hs wagon patterns are pretty useless to look at.
No. I made it pretty clear I was gonna vote Mipe, but there was things to be sorted out before hand. Just because I didn't incant him doesn't mean my intentions weren't clear.SerialClergyman wrote:
Faraday - do you think there's an element of self-interest in your discouraging people looking off mipe's wagon given you're one of the 4 people who weren't on it? What do you think of Magua encouraging voting people off the wagon when he was one of those four as well?
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I don't think it'll help looking off the wagon.SerialClergyman wrote: I'm not questioning whether or not there were intentions to vote him, I'm asking whether the specific practise of discouraging looking there is because you think it's likely to be an innaccurate assumption or if you are discouraging it for some other reason?
I think every player in the game was willing to vote Mipe, apart from DataDanne (and maybe DisCode who's been AWOL). So I don't see what information can be gleaned from analysing who was and who wasn't on the wagon.
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I think calling it a counter-wagon is a bit unfair. it was a double lynch, definitely or an attempt at one.semioldguy wrote:I think it relevant to look at the Data counter/double-wagon rather than the people not on the mipe wagon. It is very likely for scum of either alignment to be there. If dramonic flips scum at some point it may change the read on that wagon, but as of now I do not find dramonic to be scummy.
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This But apparently it is.Chaco wrote:Is it that hard to grasp that deeming someone not scummy requires a read?
I dunno though if this is a big deal or not, it seems to be a pointless semantical argument that's clogging up the thread.
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^ I think Snow_Bunny should be incanting Sc.
jesus christ @ this stupid fucking debate between semi and chaco.
clogging up the thread w/ shit is giving me a headache. I agreed with chaco initially but it just seems that Semi has a different way of saying things or w/e, now that he's explained it debating it to death won't change anything, he's not going to go 'oops i was lying all along'.
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Ehhhh, I don't know. Chaco seemed to het quite worked up. Possible I guess.startransmission wrote:
QFT. Phony distancing?Faraday wrote:jesus christ @ this stupid fucking debate between semi and chaco.
I have thoughts, and I'll share them sooner than later. Lurking is too much fun.
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Disagree here. i don't think either come out as particularly scummy, but chaco looks to be at least thinking he's found scum, it's the most agressive he's been all game. of course he could act like this as scum w/ the 2 scum-groups either but idk I get the feeling he's pressing something he believes in.magua wrote:I find Chaco's responses in the ongoing grammar lesson to be scummier than semioldguy's. semioldguy seems to be trying to explain himself, and even says, "Oh, look, see, it's this miscommunication", while Chaco continues to paint it as "You slipped, let's lynch", which seems all out of proportion to what's being discussed.
It seems a weird stretch, especially since there are better reasons.I don't buy Snow Bunny's line of argument for incanting SerialClergyman.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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This is a better reason than the supposed slip, in all honesty. Not that I care *atm* as long as it looks like snow is trying to scum-hunt.DeathSauce wrote:
Irony here, because Serial himself was heavy on the Seacore wagon and extremely wishy-washy on the mipe wagon, in fact tried to derail it twice by my count. Once it was clear mipe was not save-able, SC bussed him.SerialClergyman wrote: In fact, fuck it, I'm still happy with my vote because he still was on the Seacore wagon and off the mipe wagon.
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WTF UR WRONG DUDE.DeathSauce wrote:
Not to start another huge in-game argument, but it seems to me that scum hunting in this game is not a reliable town tell, since we have competing scum factions that are trying to wipe each other out.Faraday wrote:
This is a better reason than the supposed slip, in all honesty. Not that I care *atm* as long as it looks like snow is trying to scum-hunt.
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Snow_Bunny, I think. I don't like her earlier play day 1, also I think the push on the "slip" is weird, as I don't see what she's seeing and it confuses me as she's making it bigger than it is.SerialClergyman wrote: Faraday, if I wasn't scum, who is?
My case was originally that your vote was horribad. It then looked like a clumsy backpedal as you changed your reasons for voting discord despite not finding him scummy. Also I think the clumsy effort around the mipe wagon is a point against you. You can say 'if we could daytalk' etc but you'd obviously not want to lose your scumpartner day 1 if it could be helped.
What do you think of my point that he'd be unlikely to have sent in a night kill for his team if he was the last person remaining, btw? I think it's quite reasonable to assume it, although I guess he could have managed to get one in but it seems unlikely. Thus I think he's not scum w/ Mipe.
Starktransmission could easily be scum, I guess I should re-read him. he's been just ...there for most of the game for me, nothing really either way.
Chaco looks more town after the recent thing w/ Semioldguy actually.
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