890: Cults of Darkness and Shadow - Game over!

[Chaco]

Answer to my question Start?

Also, if you were honestly suspicious of me...how did you forget?

[startransmission]

Yep, you're right. I for some reason thought we had three dead scum, two darkness and one shadow. But there are two shadow, and I'm an idiot.

And I wasn't suspicious of you so much, which is why I said I had a null tell on you.

[Faraday]

I don't want a lynch now, we have plenty of time. But I don't like the mass suicide tactic, and I certainly don't want a no lynch. Fuck a draw, town can win this today.

+ The fact neither of these plans will work and are horrible. How exactly can we no lynch and get a draw? If someone can explain this then I'd be all ears of course, or at least open to it, but um, I don't think it's possible.

Actually if we even TRY to no lynch one of the scum can just vote and it'll be game over. If we did manage to NL then they'd kill someone overnight and we'd be left in a 2/2 situation which would result in a scum victory.

Suicide plan is very flawed and I don't find the arguments for it very convincing at all.

Also, why are you not dead yet?

Why do you think Start would be able to answer this question? I mean, what exactly are you hoping to achieve with it dram?

[Chaco]

Yep, you're right. I for some reason thought we had three dead scum, two darkness and one shadow. But there are two shadow, and I'm an idiot.

And I wasn't suspicious of you so much, which is why I said I had a null tell on you.

Okay, that makes sense I guess. So why were you all like "Oh noes I forgot about Chaco!" When you were suspicious of SnowBunny and investigated there.

[startransmission]

^I'm not sure I understand your question.

[Chaco]

Why did you act as if you meant to investigate me when it was brought up later to only say it was a null tel and would've investigated Snow anyways?

[Snow_Bunny]

Quickly people, post a list of your suspicious in your next post. Make it short.

[Snow_Bunny]

Also, say if you are up or against the idea of mass suicide (a simple yes or no will suffice.)

[Chaco]

Mass suicide is a god awful idea, a simple no cannot express that.

Right now my suspicions are gonna have to fall on Dram, because, well he's been off the radar the ENTIRE game. Like really, I don't see Dram playing like this normally at all. Really odd to me.

[Faraday]

Against mass suicide as it just.won't.work.

Well I'm less sure of start than yesterday, admittedly. But if he's legit then chaco and dramonic are the last 2 scum. So them two.

[dramonic]

and if he's not legit and I or Chaco (if my guts is completely wrong) is lynched, he'll win.

Either way, the Shadow scum fucked us good.

[Percy]

Another flash of light strikes your faces, lifting your gaze to the heavens. Time grows short.

Incantation Count

dramonic - 1 (startransmission)

Not Incanting - 4 (Chaco, dramonic, Faraday, Snow_Bunny)

The Ritual will take only 3 Incantations to complete at 6:00pm Wednesday the 27th of January (site time).

4 Incantations are currently required to complete the Ritual.

[Snow_Bunny]

Dram, please answer the question. So start.

[dramonic]

start and chaco
no

[startransmission]

Chaco and Dramonic.

No on mass suicide.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, it seems it falls down between start being legit, and Chaco or Dram. Hmm...

My choices are start or dram.

We are supposedly on mylo, right? If we assume two Shadow members left (if there's 1 it wouldn't be a team but a SK, if there's 3 then town already lost) then we must lynch scum or we'll lost. However, there's another option. Actually, there were two options left, one of them being a no-lynch. With a no-lynch we would have be in a better position, imo. (Which, btw, gives Start scummy points, as he voted fast, maybe trying to prevent this). But as there's already a vote on play, we can't no-lynch now. :/

Then, the other option is putting up a double lynch. Dram and Chaco. Let's face it, scum can easily manipulate this, but given that we are (probably) 3 vs 2 in the edge of losing, scum can manipulate it without much problem. In fact, as soon as it comes down to three-incantations-to-lynch, scum can easily win already thanks to start's vote (unless, of course, start is scum).

Nah, that won't work, scratch the part about the double lynches. By the time that's possible scum can already win without us screwing things.

To be honest, my gut tells me start is scum. But, my logic dictates that the setup, as the flips have shown, would be kind of unbalanced for town without another PR.

@Faraday: Care to elaborate why are you less sure of Start than yesterday?

[Faraday]

Well, it seems it falls down between start being legit, and Chaco or Dram. Hmm...

There are more options than this, well at least from your point of view. You didn't even consider I was scum here, that's very odd. Also obviously it could be start + someone else too if he's pretending to have an innocent.

We are supposedly on mylo, right? If we assume two Shadow members left (if there's 1 it wouldn't be a team but a SK, if there's 3 then town already lost) then we must lynch scum or we'll lost.

Yer this is true. I guess 1 member could be possible? IDUNNO. Best to assume two though for obvious reasons.

However, there's another option. Actually, there were two options left, one of them being a no-lynch. With a no-lynch we would have be in a better position, imo. (Which, btw, gives Start scummy points, as he voted fast, maybe trying to prevent this). But as there's already a vote on play, we can't no-lynch now. :/

No lynch = mafia kill + force NL/double lynch and they win, no?

Then, the other option is putting up a double lynch. Dram and Chaco.

You've already pointed out why a double lynch probably won't work and if these 2 are scum there's no need to double lynch them as opposed to singly lynching them, although i'd give us near guaranteed odds of hitting scum I guess.

@Faraday: Care to elaborate why are you less sure of Start than yesterday?

Most certainly. Okay given the fact he's a COP the mafia/cult would be very stupid to let him live over night. He could obtain a guilty on them, right? This'd bring it down to a 1 versus 1 which I don't think the mafia would want, then of course a double lynch is possible so idk.

I'm not going to throw the game away and want to asses carefull stark's claim once again when I have more time and his reasons for doing so.

Snow what exactly was your mass suicide strategy, how did you see it working?

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, it seems it falls down between start being legit, and Chaco or Dram. Hmm...

There are more options than this, well at least from your point of view. You didn't even consider I was scum here, that's very odd. Also obviously it could be start + someone else too if he's pretending to have an innocent.

Of course there are more options. I'm not talking about the team as whole, but as what to do today. Chaco and dram were the top choices in the survey, and start being legit is the other main point. That's why I mentioned it.

However, there's another option. Actually, there were two options left, one of them being a no-lynch. With a no-lynch we would have be in a better position, imo. (Which, btw, gives Start scummy points, as he voted fast, maybe trying to prevent this). But as there's already a vote on play, we can't no-lynch now. :/

No lynch = mafia kill + force NL/double lynch and they win, no?

No because... No, wait, you're right. I missed something. Yes, you're right. We need to lynch good or die.

Snow what exactly was your mass suicide strategy, how did you see it working?

When I first proposed, it had one purpose: giving town a good chance of winning, either by mass suicide. Then, I realized it simply won't work, due to scum easily manipulating it. When I asked it the second time, it was more of a taunt. Scum could easily agree with it and manipulate the results, and thus I thought any one supporting it would be scummy. It seems my strategy failed.

[Faraday]

No lynch = mafia kill + force NL/double lynch and they win, no?

No because... No, wait, you're right. I missed something. Yes, you're right. We need to lynch good or die.
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Okay explain what you were thinking with no lynch, please.

[Faraday]

^ tags are fucked but the meaning is clear imo.

[Snow_Bunny]

Scratch that, I missed the last night's kill. I thought it would end in 1 vs 1 in the end, but it doesn't.

[dramonic]

I'm amused by the fact I'm still alive while everyone one of you wants me dead

Honestly, I don't believe I have displayed scummy behaviour. Anti-town I agree (I guess my lack of presence will be our downfall), but not SCUMMY.

I need to slow down, all my games I'm playing LAME @_@

[startransmission]

I'm amused by the fact I'm still alive while everyone one of you wants me dead

I'm less than amused about that.

[dramonic]

If you are town you know me and Chaco are the remaining scum, what is there not to be happy about?

[startransmission]

I don't know that, Faraday may well be scum. But I have a better feeling about Faraday than I do about Chaco. What I'm not happy about is how I'm pretty sure you're scum, and you're not lynched yet.

I think we've all agreed that multi lynches and suicide pacts aren't the answer. I'm not sure what's left to discuss. Everyone seems to agree you are likely to be scum, and the day is dragging.

More dram incants por favor.