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Hi all. I'll catch up as much as I can today but I will be offline ~all of tomorrow and a good bit of Sunday. I'll try to get some thoughts in before weekend/RL interferes.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Did you ever get a reply to this post?In post 611, Fro99er wrote:
WHAT?In post 608, Terata wrote:or could it be that mafia let me make the factional kill and i got stopped from doing the kill that way?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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In post 678, havingfitz wrote:Hi all. I'll catch up as much as I can today but I will be offline ~all of tomorrow and a good bit of Sunday.I'll try to get some thoughts in before weekend/RL interferes.Mod....v/la until Sunday night.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'll be caught up this evening and put a vote down.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm only on page 12 of my catch up read through. And the pages are getting blurry. Here's where I am at atm:
Suspect Sheep and Terata
Feel like Frogger, AJ are town.
Everyone else still in need of sorting out.
No interest in a Wheme lynch today for claim and not keen on those pushing him.
Of the current wagons I'd be most likely to support a Chaos one but I'd need to finish my catch up or ISO him first.
For now....
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Why couldn't a roles topper be in a game with a vig or cop? Seems like it could be with either.In post 991, Fro99er wrote:Cop or vig would imply Wheme is most likely scum.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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LUV slot town (Unknown ####)In post 986, havingfitz wrote:Everyone else still in need of sorting out.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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What are you talking about?In post 1104, Unknown1234 wrote:I'm down to vote Havingfitz if people want to.I feel they are way too forgotten and have expressed doubt before.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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But you're still fine lynching a claimed PR D1?In post 1120, Hawk wrote:I am not CCing Wheme by the way guysTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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In post 1125, havingfitz wrote:
But you're still fine lynching a claimed PR D1?In post 1120, Hawk wrote:I am not CCing Wheme by the way guys
So you're unsure about Wheme the claimed PR who you aren't CCing, and yet you are voting him.In post 1128, Hawk wrote:No I just said I'm unsure Wheme. I really don't know how to read this situation.
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I'm about to be offline for a few hours but when I get back home to a computer I'll address unknown and Lowell's recent posts. Both crap for different reasons.
Frogger....what is there to like a lot from Lowell's catch up post?
I like it enough to...
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So far all we have is 1 full claim and 3× "I'm a PR"...yes?In post 1202, Aj The Epic wrote:There's still the fact that one of our claimed PRs is scum.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Did 4 PRs in a mini nornal become obsolete or is the potential that CO's would rule out Whemes claim the reason 4 claims don't work?
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Gold starIn post 1212, Unknown1234 wrote:K gonna read the last 3 pages.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I replaced in at the start of my weekend (which was extended a extra day due to a Nor' Easter) during which time I am v/LA. So there wouldn't be a lot of posting on my part. I only have one vote so why would I need to switch it to Terata? And my "obsession" is questioning why people are interested in lynching a claimed PR (the only one afaict that has actually claimed a specific role) on D1 rather then letting things sort them out N1? How is that scummy? Iirc there are others of the same mindset....including unknown of "liked entry" fame. It's D1...I'm not 100% sold on Sheep...or any of my reads...but I am 100% sold on an aversion to lynching claimed PRs when it's not necessary.In post 1163, Lowell wrote:I've liked unknown's entry into the game for the most part, but disliked havingfitz. Fitz' sheep case feels a bit like a sideshow. He mentions in 986 his two suspects are sheep and terata, votes sheep, then doesn't mention either of them again. He's made no effort to move the needle on this wagon, or turn it to terata. His only obsession seems to be hassling people who vote wheme. Being more concerned about people NOT voting a player, rather than wanting people TO vote a player, is a scumtell for me.
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Isn't this what I have been pushing?In post 1109, Unknown1234 wrote:I don't like lynching Wheme.
So what about my predecessor did you find suspect? As for me...you're suspicious that I did nothing substantial while I was v/LA?In post 1138, Unknown1234 wrote:VOTE: havingfitz
This is mostly based on the slot before this one, but this guy has done nothing substantial that would make me change my mind.
You're suspicious of my slot because no one has suspected it How the fuck is lack of suspicion a reason for suspicion?In post 1139, Unknown1234 wrote:
Your slot is so ignored and nobody draws any suspicion to it. The second half was what I've already mentioned and I don't have a ton of time ATM but will later.In post 1115, havingfitz wrote:
What are you talking about?In post 1104, Unknown1234 wrote:I'm down to vote Havingfitz if people want to.I feel they are way too forgotten and have expressed doubt before.
First off...your quote of me is not me saying something I don't agree with. It's me asking questions. The asking of questions is an attempt at doing something about something I do not agree with...the things you are inaccurately accusing me of not doing in the quote. The thing which you agree with me on. smdh.....In post 1140, Unknown1234 wrote:
Why say something that you don't agree with but then do nothing about it? This is so wrong and it looks like last minute defending for a possible Town flip even though you don't even say WHY it's bad.In post 1118, havingfitz wrote:Why is Wheme the lead wagon. Does his claim not count for anything?
I haven't really interacted with Lowell or you other than to say I would respond to your suspicions towards me later (i.e. this post). So what interactions with you and Lowell are you referring to? Ahh...you must mean the gold star. And your "read" on me is crap. Hmm...In post 1218, Unknown1234 wrote:I find it funny how Havingfitz began to interact with the people that were accusing him. It's almost as if my read on him is so important that if it isn't Town then he is against me. Hmm...
What is your read on Lowell?In post 1302, Unknown1234 wrote:Someone thinks Lowell is Town?
tl:dr;I've just joined. You are one of my early town reads. We both do not think Wheme should be today's lynch. We may both have suspicions towards Lowell. Yet you are voting me for lack of substantial content fresh from replacing into v/LA. And for not being suspected. Take your pants off your head and look elsewhere for scum.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Sheep L-1
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Chaos, gerry and Unknown all with lone votes going nowhere.
Lowell has passed Sheep on my suspect list. And most others on that list are voting Sheep so I'll pass unless a NL is at risk.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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L-2 now.In post 1419, havingfitz wrote:Lowell L-3Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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What a weakass vote. Lowell...who I think you suspected...was just a vote behind Sheep. But instead you have such doubts about your hammer. Oh woe is you. smhIn post 1430, Unknown1234 wrote:TBH, I'm not feeling as good about this lynch as I could be.
However, my gut is telling me to hammer.
I'll regret this later, maybe... stupid Gut.
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You didn't point out anything. Your "case" on me was non-existent.In post 1423, Lowell wrote:your obvious scumminessTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Dahurp. ...if he's buddying me I should just vote someone I don't feel good about voting. Dahyuk yuk yuk.In post 1427, Unknown1234 wrote:Is Lowell that one guy who had attempted the most obvious buddying towards me?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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So why Sheep instead of Lowell?In post 1444, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz is the most salty person ever LOL Get Rekt.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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NAI......that's an awesome avatar Hawk. Hilarious.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Nice tap dancing actually. Have you ever actually played mafia before?In post 1459, Unknown1234 wrote:
I can actually understand and follow what Lowell has actually said. I also prefer his train to the people on Lowells train and the fact that I don't feel comfortable with a Lowell lynch today.In post 1445, havingfitz wrote:
So why Sheep instead of Lowell?In post 1444, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz is the most salty person ever LOL Get Rekt.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I assume you would if he flips scum as well so w/e.In post 1456, Fro99er wrote:
AIIn post 1455, havingfitz wrote:NAI......that's an awesome avatar Hawk. Hilarious.
I think you're scum if sheep flips town
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Are you 12 years old?In post 1467, Unknown1234 wrote:
Cry more please.In post 1460, havingfitz wrote:
Nice tap dancing actually. Have you ever actually played mafia before?In post 1459, Unknown1234 wrote:
I can actually understand and follow what Lowell has actually said. I also prefer his train to the people on Lowells train and the fact that I don't feel comfortable with a Lowell lynch today.In post 1445, havingfitz wrote:
So why Sheep instead of Lowell?In post 1444, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz is the most salty person ever LOL Get Rekt.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Luckily for you your immaturity and inability to properly convey logical thoughts isn't necessarily scummy.In post 1469, Unknown1234 wrote:
Nah, I'm just not going to sit around and put up with your annoying bullshit. Either do something productive or actually shut up.In post 1468, havingfitz wrote:
Are you 12 years old?In post 1467, Unknown1234 wrote:
Cry more please.In post 1460, havingfitz wrote:
Nice tap dancing actually. Have you ever actually played mafia before?In post 1459, Unknown1234 wrote:
I can actually understand and follow what Lowell has actually said. I also prefer his train to the people on Lowells train and the fact that I don't feel comfortable with a Lowell lynch today.In post 1445, havingfitz wrote:
So why Sheep instead of Lowell?In post 1444, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz is the most salty person ever LOL Get Rekt.
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Gerry....I don't remember you being this shitty in our last game. Why are you even in this game?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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^ Agreed.In post 1487, ChaosOmega wrote:Well I certainly look pretty terrible now. With the speed of that wagon, I think it's unlikely both of Sheep's partners bussed him. If that's true, there is scum in AJ, Fitz, ECM, me, and gerry.
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In post 1484, WhemeStar wrote:Well froggy, your the king now.In post 1490, WhemeStar wrote:Get em frog the D2 king
It's uncomfortable watching you bury your nose so far up frogger's ass.In post 1521, WhemeStar wrote:Froggy has no siblings, he is king.
In post 1498, Unknown1234 wrote:Wow, I lived.
Gee....can't believe Hawk was killed. Wow...didn't see that coming. Wow....wonder why scum would do such a thing.....In post 1500, Unknown1234 wrote:Hawk was such a weird kill. Worth looking at what he's said, because I don't see why killing him would do anything.
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How do you reconcile this with a vote on Wheme?In post 1530, ECMitchell wrote:Or by ChaosOmega's vote on me, am I to take it that you've successfully sorted WhemeStar last night and can confirm their town alignment?I thought it was terrible.
I'd vote ECM if the day wasn't so young. I will vote him eventually if someone doesn't end the day first.
Mod...v/LA for my usual weekend family priorities. Back nlt Tuesday morning due to extended holiday weekend in US.
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Back. Will catch up asap.In post 1593, havingfitz wrote:Mod...v/LA for my usual weekend family priorities. Back nlt Tuesday morning due to extended holiday weekend in US.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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You're a null leaning scummy due to not having contributed anything useful that I can recall.In post 1683, gerryoat wrote:
What is your read on me then?In post 1479, havingfitz wrote:Gerry....I don't remember you being this shitty in our last game. Why are you even in this game?
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This is correct...so ECM is L-1.In post 1686, Terata wrote:@Mod i think it's supposed to say L-2 and not L-3 after ECMitchell considering it's 4/6 in the VCTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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My question to you was negative passive aggressive nudging you to stop sucking in this game. It wasn't meant to be an AI meta analysis.In post 1695, gerryoat wrote:
But you're saying I'm acting differently this game. The game you have with me, I was mafia. So why does that = to the same alignment if you see me acting differently?In post 1687, havingfitz wrote:
You're a null leaning scummy due to not having contributed anything useful that I can recall.In post 1683, gerryoat wrote:
What is your read on me then?In post 1479, havingfitz wrote:Gerry....I don't remember you being this shitty in our last game. Why are you even in this game?
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^^^In post 1712, Fro99er wrote:
derpIn post 1674, ChaosOmega wrote:I'm a tracker. My target last night was ECMitchell; they didn't go anywhere.
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We'll thanks for the update <crickets>In post 1732, Unknown1234 wrote:Sorry I'm back now been awfully busyTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Ffs...phonephuckingpostingIn post 1734, havingfitz wrote:
We'll thanks for the update <crickets>In post 1732, Unknown1234 wrote:Sorry I'm back now been awfully busy
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What has changed since N1 wrt you suspicions towards ECMitchell and subsequent move back onto Wheme?In post 1740, ChaosOmega wrote:I explained why I thought ECM was more scummy at the end of D1.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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So you would accept a 1v1 and opt for the claimed PR instead of the claimed VT?In post 1855, Aj The Epic wrote:I'm willing to take this 1 for 1 and roll Alisae first but I'm trying to figure out what the point of Alisae's claim is from scum right now.
I don't think I'm interested in that.
You cool with being lynched tomorrow Ali if you're fos?
Worst case...even if they're both town we're still just to D5 LYLO.
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No...I town read you. I see no reason for scum to engage in a 1v1 though. I'll take it.In post 1871, Fro99er wrote:believeing a guilty?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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No...I'm choosing to belive Ali's claim. "Read town" was past tense.In post 1874, Fro99er wrote:So you think i'm flailing town?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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We're aren't fucked if one of you is scumIn post 1887, Fro99er wrote:If people believe Ali then this town is fuckedTown 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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That's quite the reach Frogger. I don't think scum would...which is why I'm choosing to believe Ari. If you flip town though I would lynch Ari.In post 1875, Fro99er wrote:
So when I flip town you're still not going to lynch Ali? Because you don't believe scum would do this?In post 1873, havingfitz wrote:
No...I town read you. I see no reason for scum to engage in a 1v1 though. I'll take it.In post 1871, Fro99er wrote:believeing a guilty?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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VOTE: AlisaeIn post 1994, Alisae wrote:I guess I'm the lynch for today huh. Oh well guess it's inevitable. ;~;Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I didn't realize you were running things. Lemme check.In post 2009, Unknown1234 wrote:Havingfitz I don't even care what you are but since we have one more mislynch anyways, after Alisae flips scum you are dead. I don't even care if I'm dead you're dead.
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I'm willing to vote Unknown.In post 2045, Unknown1234 wrote:VOTE: Iaminnocent
I am willing to believe that Havingfitz is just a salty human being.
But since being a crap player is NAI I'll look the game over before laying a vote down.
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OK...so other games and weekend RL has had me a bit distracted from this game fince Alisae accused Frogger. It's kind of been on auto-pilot for me since Alisae's fake result.
For my part I will say this. If there is a 1v1 situation that early in the game pitting a claimed PR against a VT...I'm going to opt for believing the claim. Even if the claim was a lie (as it turned out to be)...town was still setting themselves up to be rid of the 2nd mafia member the following day and still in possession of two chances to get the last mafia member. Those are not bad odds. I will say in hindsight it might have been better to let D3 last a little longer and grill Alisae about their claim but in my case at least...I can be a bit impatient when my mind is made up.
with regards to my current reads:
Lowell - Lowell was my alternative to Sheep D1. I didn't care for Sheep but that wagon was going nowhere so I swapped to Lowell in part for OMGUS retaliation. Looking back I am doubtful that Sheep would bus Lowell so adamently D1, up to L-2 a few times, without trying to move things elsewhere. Of my four remaining reads Lowell is probably the one I'm most confident is town based on VCA and counter wagon to Sheep.
Terata is a bit of an enigma in my mind this game. Seems like she has had a few stretches where she has been absent. Also, she hasn't made a vote since D1 so VCA is not that telling on her. She did initiate the final wagon on Sheep D1...when she could have easily hopped on tbd!me, town!Wheme or tbd!Lowell. So on what little VCA that does apply to her she appears to be a town lean.
That leaves me with IAI and Unknown.
IAI replaced ECMitchell who was focused for the bulk of D1 and all D2 on getting rid of Wheme. ECM never voted otes on Alisae or Sheep. Alisae however on D2 did vote ECM with conviction (up to L-1). Not sure if this is a pass for ECM as Alisae was sheeping Frogger heavily during the game and Frogger had just voted ECM prior to Alisae's vote. But it looks better than if Alisae had totally ignored ECM.
Unknown...replaced LUV mid-D1. Luv had done some light voting (bussing?) on Sheep D1. Unknown entered the game and chose to vote me (a negative fmpov) and hammered Sheep. Hammering scum is good. Hammering scum when it is a foregone conclusion scum is going to be lynched...not as good. But at least not bad. D2..Unknown put the Chaos mislynch wagon at L-2 two posts before Froger hammered. D3...Unknown chose to ignore Alisae's claim and vote Alisae. D4 Unknown voted Alisae. Then opens up D5 with a vote/unvote on me.
WRT the D3 Frogger and D4 Alisae lynches...I'm of the opinion that scum would try to avoid supporting the Frogger lynch (knowing it would be a mislynch) and would support the auto-lynch of Alisae D4. Unknown fits this belief the strongest (voted Alisae both D3&4). Followed by IAI (absent D3...voted Alisae D4) and Terata (no votes either day).
tl:dr;I think Unknown looks the worst from a VCA standpoint followed by IAI, Terata and then Lowell.
I still want to look over Sheep and Alisae's ISOs, along with the living, and see if anything jumps out at me.
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I wasn't defending myself. If you are reading it as a defense you would be wrong again.In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:Starting at the top of your post, I am more annoyed that you began to defend yourself in advance of anyone accusing youbased on not even questioning the lead and being the only person on that train.
Accusing me of what?
As for the quote bit I bolded...I have no idea what you are talking about.
You can never say never. Anything was possible...even scum!Frogger. What I was pretty certain of was that we were getting a scum out of the 1v1. And I did think twice...I just voted once. I wasn't going to risk lynching a useful PR over a claimed VT to dispute a claim that IMO made no sense for scum to make. Alisae was in no danger from Frogger IMO. I doubt D3 was heading down the path of an Alisae lynch. For him to fall on his sword that early in the game just to get rid of Frogger was asinine IMO. I would never willingly give up a scum slot.In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:I don't agree with your explanation. Frogger was never scum in that situation, and the fact that you think someone goes from obv town to completely scum without even thinking twice about it really bothers me.
Feel free to explain. I'm not saying any of my reads are etched in stone. I'm saying that at the moment, based on D1 VCA...I'm more inclined to think Lowell is town than anyone else in the game at the moment.In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:If you are confident in Lowell being Town based on VCA, then I'm going to re-read because TBH I didn't reach the same conclusion as you.
Were you calling Terata a scumread here?In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:Terata is Town and I don't see a reason to think otherwise.
Why the Tereta town read now?
How am I giving ECM "a lot more credit?" Or any credit at all in fact?In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:You actually give ECM a lot more credit than they actually deserve. If you are actually Town I'd like to see you cover more in depth on this.
What am I misrepping?In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:On to my read, you are mis repping the entire situation by saying that I was going to vote Chaos. If you think I am scummy based on a game error occurring because of me never playing on this site before and assuming I would help the game before I replaced out, then I think you are more scummy for trying to manipulate the situation.
1) I said you voted Chaos (actually it was L-1 whereas I said L-2).
2) I said Frogger hammered two posts later.
I never said you were "going to vote Chaos" or brought up any "game errors"...I stated two facts.
So I repeat myself...What am I misrepping?
Quick ISO search...yep...never say the word hate. FYI I don't hate anyone on this site. I'm pretty indifferent about everyone in fact.In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:Givenyou have hated me this entire game, you basically went into every single day trying to make me look worse.You also call me stupid all game,and haven't even considered the "why would Unknown do that if he's Town" situation.You have automatically assumed I'm scumthe entire game.
I never call you stupid.
AnnnnnndI have not called you scum once this game. In fact...I was town reading your predecessor D1 and the only time I suggest a willingness to vote you is today iirc.
I my post this morning which you gave this response based on....did I not say I planned to do ISO's on flipped scum and everyone still in the game? Before I put down my vote? smhsmhsmhIn post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:... Butyour entire read is based on VCA and very little of it is based on actual interactionsor you copy what I said (about the ignoring). I am probably more frustrated and find this entire interaction with you obvious to be scum because you already know that I've been scum-reading you the entire game and that getting rid of me would be easier for you.
You do not know what I assume unless I tell you. Nice ad-hom on me BTW.In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:You also assume that I'm going to play how you would. I don't play stupid, and I never lynch my townreads. Never. Maybe I don't rely on night actions as much as you guys on this site but I have not seen you try to read me from a town perspective. (The only thing you ever said was that my hammer vote on Sheep is not bad).but not good
And why are you whining about me not reading you from a town perspective? How the fcuk would you know how I am trying to read you?
And I said "Hammering scum is good"...I just added that your hammer was not "as good" because it was a foregone conclusion. Even your townread Terata said you didn't deserve any towncred for being on Sheep's wagon.
Did I not say I was going to do this? Ffs.....In post 2062, Unknown1234 wrote:If you are Town,I actually want you to analyze me with more than what you just did.And don't read this post as an attack on you because I get aggressive when I disagree strongly with people's opinions and I can't change that.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Penguin Power/Alisae ISO:
345 - Strong to weak trs on Naomi (fitz), LUV (Unknown) and Terata. Strong to weak nulls on ECM (IAI) and Lowell. Luv is "probs town." Terata a "feels," Lowell only 3 posts.
540 - LUV (IAI) gets promoted to a townread next to Frogger and Naomi (fitz).
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879 - Explains to Frogger how Chaos could use a Terata town flip to his advantage.i.e. if Terata is town..Chaos would still warrant suspicion. (IMO this post supports a town!Terata read).
883 - Votes Lowell while shading Gerryoat.
897 - Says post 621 makes him feel like ECM is a mislynch. (minus points to ECM/IAI slot)
1025 - Says he wants Lowell (though at this point he is voting gerryoat).
1031 - discredits Gerroat and soft defends Sheep.
1148 - Scumreads are gerryoat, chaos, sheep, gerryoat and Lowell.
1155 - Calls Lowell is second strongest scumread.
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1545 - Says the only people he is comfortable calling town are Frogger, AJ, Terata and Lowell. (I find it unlikley Alisae wouldn't include one partner in his townreads...but Terata and Lowell are looking town after ISOing flipped scums)
1563 - Votes ECM (L-3). Wagon grows to L-1 twice without Alisae even flinching. (plus points to ECM/IAI slot)
1565 - Gives ECM crap for calling Terata scum.
1571 - Says no way Terata is scum...unless Lowell were to somehow flip scum.
1575 - More defense of Terata against ECM suspicions.
1626 - Agrees w/ Wheme that Lowell is most likely town due to Sheep being lynched.NAI after the D1 counterwagons.
1747 - Unvotes ECM to give replacement (IAI) a chance.
1755 - Agrees that Unknown post 1755 is bad but that it doesn't change his townread on him. (minus points to Unknown slot)
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1842 - Says Frogger's scumbuddy is either unknown or gerryoat.
1912, 1968 - Giving game 101 to Unknown.
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Several D4 posts shading IAI slot. wifomwifomwifom
Sheep ISO:
No mention worth mentioning of Alisae.
10 - Says avoiding LUV due to inactivity.Seems like an odd place to comment about another players inactivity only on post 10 of the game.
107 - Defends LUV against Hawk. Suspects Lowell reaction to some slip more than LUVs.(i.e. supporting LUV).
Dislikes Lowell/Frogger/..states lynch preferences are Lowell-Hawk-Chaos-Frogger. More LUV defense near bottom of post. (minus points to LUV/Unknown slot)
168/171 - Some exchange with Terata...feels like Terata is town.
223 - Votes Hawk but adds the willingness to vote Lowell. (plus points to Lowell)
1081 - Lynch preference for three names provided by Frogger, in order: Lowell, Chaos, Penguin (Alisae). (plus points to Lowell)
1093 - Fine lynching Hawk or Lowell today.(Voting Hawk at this point)
1183 - Votes Lowell (2nd player on the wagon). Alternative wagons include: Wheme w/4 votes (opposed to), havingfitz w/2 votes (Naomi was strong townread) and Alisae w/1 vote. (plus points to Lowell)
1192 - Sheep chooses to like Fitz.This is shortly after I have moved off the Sheep wagon to vote Lowell.
1276 - Tells Unknown that if post count matters...he (Sheep) would be fine with voting Lowell, Chaos and Hawk first. (plus points to Lowell...minus points to Unknown)
1283 - Liking the momentum the Lowell wagon has. (plus points to Lowell)
1293 - Tells Wheme if Lowell flips scum to use the Rolestopper ability on him.With a 3rd mafia in the game and Sheep's powers being even-night vs Wheme's odd-night Rolestop ability...I think this statement is NAI towards Lowell.
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I think these scum ISO's do more good for Terata and Lowell and are a bit damning towards the Unknown and IAI slots.
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Did you really have to quote two wallposts...one that was a reply to the other...for this short comment? ffs....smh. And what the hell does justify it as an error mean? I'm giving my perspective on the alisae claim/frogger lynch. With the hindsight of knowing Frogger was town. In the same situation I would probably do the same thing other than extending the day a bit.In post 2064, Unknown1234 wrote:I'll get to your post in a bit when I have more time to answer, but the first paragraph is in response how you explained why you decided to vote with Alisae over Frogger. If you believed it was the right decision regardless of flip you wouldn't try to justify it as an error.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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1) What does this have to do with me?In post 2068, Unknown1234 wrote:Actually, I'm 100% comfortable voting you today and here is why.
1.) Alisae pulled a stupid gambit To lynch Frogger, knowing there would be two miss lynched remaining.
2.) Havingfitz goes along way too easily with the Frogger lynch, doesn't even think twice about it.
3. He has found nothing negative on Lowell or Terata, which means that he acknowledges he only needs two scum-reads and is trying to gain their trust (he does this an excessive amount, more than normal seeming).
4.) You act completely innocent and pretend to have had no conflict or bias against me.
5.) You conveniently manipulate the buddying information. YOU specifically in your last several posts have decided when Sheep and Alisae were buddying people and distancing. You ONLY make it negative when it is involving me, and this is evident by the fact that you failed to find ANY negative points on the other three people in the game.
6.) You barely mention Iaminnocent as well. It is clear that even though you are "iso'ing everyone" that the only person you plan to Scum-read has been me today. Not to mention that you claim that the ISO you did makes Iaminnocent more damning, even though he has 0 negative points and more positive points (unless I missed anything).
7.) You find 0 positive points for me, or leave them as null. If you are town, I find it near impossible that out of the entire ISO you found no positive notes on me. This backs up what I've been saying about you wanting to target me all of today.
8.) Your personality has changed today to be more friendly. In the previous days, you have been seen as a complete douche, but yet this day you haven't been aggressive at all like your usual self in past days.
9.) Alisae must have known that she would need a strong town to get them through two miss lunches. Given you are the only one who has been taking advantage of it, it would not surprise me at all if you were in agreement with her plan based on the fact that you would be able to build some fake cases on me and Iaminnocent, enough to get two miss lynches.
I will respond to the other post, but I don't think you are town and I'm 99% sure.
2) I've explained my reasoning for this twice. You are free to disagree....at least two others did agree.
3) What have YOU found negative on Lowell and Terata? I've only ISO'd scum and did not see anything negative regarding Lowell or Terata in those ISOs. I suspected both of them to some degree D1 but that has changed by other game events.
4) Innocent of what? I suspect you today to begin with on POE and VCA. And I suspect there will more more once I ISO you. You need to look at your own ISO if you want to see someone tunnelling another player (i.e. me). Iirc you have expressed a desire to have me lynched every day. Something that you can not say I did towards you.
5) I commented on the scum ISOs when I saw living players mentioned. If you do not like what I found do your own ISOs and refute what I found.
6) ECM posted very little and IAI even less. What do you expect?
7) Are there any?
8) I've made 5 or 6 D5 posts....if I came across as friendly please forgive me.And if you are going to call me stupid and a doucheour game relationship is going to take a drastic turn downward. Perhaps warranting mod involvement. Target my play but leave personal attacks out of the game.
9) You can assume what you want to fit the story you want. It will help you make up for the lack of facts you can point to. As for your comment about the 3rd mafia being someone strong...that entered my mind as well but I think it is just as likely that Alisae said fcuk it and didn't care what his partner wanted.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Frogger was talking about Terata starting the Sheep wagon back up when Lowell was at L-2.In post 2118, I Am Innocent wrote:
AKA Alisea, it's okay to 1 vs 1 against Frogger cause I can win it...In post 1526, Fro99er wrote:Terata had zero reason to START a counterwagon to Lowell on her scumbuddy.
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If Terata is scum that would make Lowell town. Why would Terata start a scum wagon on Sheep when she just could have supported the L-2 Lowell wagon or lurk?In post 2122, I Am Innocent wrote:
No I get it. But my theory is that Alisea's 1 for 1 trade indicates to me that the 3rd scum must be someone that could escape two mislynches after alisea was lynched. When the most townie person in the game D2 says "Terata is nearly conftown" that falls right in line with the type of player that would be okay with Alisea's 1 for 1 trade.In post 2121, havingfitz wrote:
Frogger was talking about Terata starting the Sheep wagon back up when Lowell was at L-2.In post 2118, I Am Innocent wrote:
AKA Alisea, it's okay to 1 vs 1 against Frogger cause I can win it...In post 1526, Fro99er wrote:Terata had zero reason to START a counterwagon to Lowell on her scumbuddy.
Terata is nearly conftown in my eyes
Unless Tereta had been townreading Lowell hard and could not realistically vote him. I don't recall the vote context at that time. I think that wagon bought her enough towncred to avoid lynches. Just not sure why gerryoat was the nk over her or Lowell (who both look good as town at a minimum for vca).Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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The fact scum has day chat has been mentioned several times in this game. Including this:In post 2174, Unknown1234 wrote:
Honestly, I'm not playing dumb I'm actually quite unintelligent when finding things on this site. I hate catch up so I sometimes skip over things.In post 2171, I Am Innocent wrote:
Post one says Mafia has day chat.In post 2169, Unknown1234 wrote:In post 172, Terata wrote:i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with shit thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info.Given Sheep was scum and there's no Day chat, this just looks like Coaching.
Where are the setup roles too?In post 766, Unknown1234 wrote:2.) When Chaos is around, he interacts with Wheme the most which makes me believe that they aren't on the same team because they wouldn't need to discuss as muchwith the day chatthat they'd have.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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In post 2194, Unknown1234 wrote:Also, where did Terata lead a counter train on you? How close were you to dying?
1.) I don't remember her leading that train at all.
2.) if you were about to be lynched, I could see it as distancing if she thought that you were a guaranteed lynch.
1) Not sure how much leading she did but she got the ball rolling.In post 2123, havingfitz wrote:Why would Terata start a scum wagon on Sheep when she just could have supportedthe L-2 Lowell wagonor lurk?
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