If that was directed at me I'll vote soon enough. I'm still leaning towards Unknown but I'd like to see Terata's response to IAIs case/vote before this day ends.In post 2199, Lowell wrote:^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.
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Fitz, thanks for waiting until Terata responds/votes. I'd appreciate it if you wait until that happens and we can discuss.ShowTown 21-21-1
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1) And right before that Terata parked a vote on me and nothing happened.In post 2197, havingfitz wrote:In post 2194, Unknown1234 wrote:Also, where did Terata lead a counter train on you? How close were you to dying?
1.) I don't remember her leading that train at all.
2.) if you were about to be lynched, I could see it as distancing if she thought that you were a guaranteed lynch.
1) Not sure how much leading she did but she got the ball rolling.In post 2123, havingfitz wrote:Why would Terata start a scum wagon on Sheep when she just could have supportedthe L-2 Lowell wagonor lurk?
2) possibly...
People keep acting like Terata was like, sheep is so scummy, vote sheep! That was actually frogger....terata spent most of the day semi-defending sheep.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Obviously it's not LYLO unless there's a role or something that could make it otherwise (that I haven't heard of).In post 2198, havingfitz wrote:
What does this post even mean? Only two votes are in play...one on you. Why the whinging?In post 2195, Unknown1234 wrote:Terata isn't even showing up and yet people couldn't care less. She also defended me and said I was probably Town, which should be a sin for you because there's no way I'm Town.
My point being that I'm not scum, and you and Lowell have already expressed your desire to vote me. Me and I am Innocent will vote Terata, which means that she can't vote anyone but me. I'm town, therefore this makes the game increasingly more difficult because you would only have one miss lynch left.
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I said I'd vote if we were done discussing.In post 2199, Lowell wrote:^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.-
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If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?In post 2200, havingfitz wrote:
If that was directed at me I'll vote soon enough. I'm still leaning towards Unknown but I'd like to see Terata's response to IAIs case/vote before this day ends.In post 2199, Lowell wrote:^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.-
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Where is this stated? Just because two ISOs on other players didn't have anything positive towards you doesn't mean it applies to your entire body of content. One of the reasons I haven't voted you is because I need to closer look you.In post 2205, Unknown1234 wrote:If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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I'm actually in the middle of a Terata ISO // IAI case review this very moment.In post 2208, Unknown1234 wrote:It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Wow, early scum-hunting! If effort is AI and I got straight into the game when I replaced in that must mean im Town. Well, that logic is crap but I am Town and developed reads as soon as I got in.In post 758, Unknown1234 wrote:From what I've seen at page 20, Naomi has been way too fence sitting IMO. She spends most of her time into reading and making Town-reads, but the one thing I have rarely seen is her digging into scum-reads. It's way too easy for scum to make Town-reads because they know who Town is and and can find the townie parts in people's posts.
I also notice that so many people have Town-reads on her that aren't explained in any depth. Unless people mention "she is providing lots of content" which I do not find her content to be scum-hunting.
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Good! I look forward to seeing it. (Sarcasm not intended in this post)In post 2211, havingfitz wrote:
I'm actually in the middle of a Terata ISO // IAI case review this very moment.In post 2208, Unknown1234 wrote:It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?-
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You actually said I've done nothing Town when I asked you. Or something similar. I'm sick and have a headache but I'm fairly certain this did happen.In post 2210, havingfitz wrote:
Where is this stated? Just because two ISOs on other players didn't have anything positive towards you doesn't mean it applies to your entire body of content. One of the reasons I haven't voted you is because I need to closer look you.In post 2205, Unknown1234 wrote:If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?-
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More observations, I actually develop my reads by changing my opinion on Wheme despite them being the leading train.In post 761, Unknown1234 wrote:
Issue with posts like this is that people have often expressed WhemeStar as an inexperienced scum or an inexperienced town. However, suddenly with this claim people don't even consider the possibility that they had no idea what to do and just claimed to prevent a miss lynch.In post 571, Fro99er wrote:offering to claim early as a protective is objectively bad town play. you want to stop a night kill if you are town, not draw the night kill. ESPECIALLY to have urgency to claim that on an odd day for an odd-night power. It's a bit more understandable if it were day 2 and he couldn't use it going into N2.
I think he'd know that as a town rolestopper.
Ergo, scum is the more likely possibility.
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Early suspicion directed towards Penguin Power.In post 764, Unknown1234 wrote:
Someone posting the bare minimum is always an issue for me.In post 652, PenguinPower wrote:
Yes. Because I'm actually taking a stance and providing my thoughts on slots, despite my low activity. He's not.In post 650, Fro99er wrote:are you going to chide Gerry for that while you lurk all game?
Which happened to be on my two expressed scum reads prior to - at least for Wheme - being started.In post 651, Fro99er wrote:Yo Penguin just hops on the big wagon every time too
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Encouraging other players to actually be productive.In post 774, Unknown1234 wrote:
I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.In post 768, gerryoat wrote:get an avatar lol please-
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More accusations against Penguin.In post 777, Unknown1234 wrote:
Penguin actually bothers me because they basically post only to stay in the game from what I've seen. Obviously I haven't been able to look over everything though because catching up sucks.In post 771, Fro99er wrote:Actually I got townvibes on that catch up-
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Would scum really say they'd vote both their scum teammates? Hmm.In post 812, Unknown1234 wrote:I need to look at Chaos too, so unless your case is compelling I'd rather lynch Sheep or Penguin today.-
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This is most likely why Gerry died.In post 1153, Unknown1234 wrote:
Who is your second strongest scum-read as of right now?In post 1151, Alisae wrote:lol I must really scumread Garrybote then-
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Here is where, once again, I'm disagreeing with Sheep on his reads and activity level. I also notice Sheep plops on Lowell.In post 1217, Unknown1234 wrote:
I double checked to see if I was wrong, but you made like 10 posts over 5 days, so if this is the kind of posting I should expect in a 14 day day then correct me if I'm wrong.In post 1183, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
I've been generally posting multiple times a day every day of the game, are you mixing me up with someone else?In post 1152, Unknown1234 wrote:Sheep has been gone for so long that I haven't even said something to them once. Given they've been under some heat all day I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if they were lurking scum.
People are ignoring how bad Hawk is until just now.
I'm actually having a hard time figuring out if there's more theory soft support for Lowell or Hawk.
I'mma do this to see if it's Lowell.
Vote: Lowell
Sheep the sheep everyone! There is mint julep tea at the end of this rainbow.
I will be back later if people manage to bum rush onto Hawk, the guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth all day.
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Im back. I got super busy IRL and again im multitabling like a moron in a faster game. But im not gonna say more on that, cuz it's pointless.
So, some thoughts.
I'm never gonna vote Lowell this game, ever. The reason i caught sheep was because i thought Lowell felt town and i went looking for scum on that Wagon and sheep was the least towny one. I just don't ever see things playing out like they did if Lowell's scum.
I still think the things i wrote about Sheep's comments on the unknown slot was pretty w/v-looking / spewy. And i think Unknowns way of handling this day has felt the towniest. Others have only been making cases made to convince others to lynch specific people while unknown has actually tried to have a conversation with people and evaluating them. Their way of swapping slowly from thinking i was town to re-isoing and finding things they disliked to still suspecting others felt VERY real to me. Also maybe im stupid but im buying the stuff about them not knowing about scum's day-chat and from feeling unknown out from reading their posts, i don't think they're a player to try to clear themselves from something that stupid. So im locking in them as town too.
So for me the path from here is pretty easy. just lynch fitz/IAI, and be done with it. But i know im a suspect so it isn't that easy.
Ok, so the biggest reason (from what i've precieved) to why IAI says im scum is that "Alisae wouldn't have made the fakeclaim if the partner is in the back-then-suspects". This is terrible logic. Scum KNOWS people evaluate their play after they die, so saying that Alisae and her partner didn't even think about how his claim would look after the flip is just beyond bad. Since scum would know for sure this logic would be taken up, if not by themselves (if you're scum) it will be taken up by the town (if someone else is the last scum). Right now im leaning SLIGHTLY more towards fitz, simply because you have focused so little on preparing the second mislynch after me if you're scum, and you're gonna look pretty bad when i flip town. This is wifom too of course and you could totally be scum doing this, but the way you swapped your second suspect in the span of 1 page felt like a move that scum perhaps wouldn't make if they're focused on getting me lynched.
But regardless, if im scum, and Frogg is harddefending me for the rest of the game, WHY would you fakeclaim a red on FROGG OF ALL PEOPLE that will lead you straight to the win. That no1 has taken this up yet is weirding me out.
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