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This is where I disagree. If what you are saying about your meta is true, then I could believe what you are saying about you leaning more towards Town than scum. However, when I'm scum I tend to put just as much effort in as town, which is why I disagree with you saying effort is AI.In post 2146, I Am Innocent wrote:
Sure I can. Isn't scumhunting AI? Isn't that all about effort? Trying to see if someone is faking it vs. really doing it. I can give you my scum meta, last two games I replaced out because I lurked it out as scum. Not interested, unfortunately I prefer finding scum, hence the effort. If you can't see the effort and thought I was just saving all that for my back pocket to use at said moment, then you have a long way to go (or are scum).In post 2142, Unknown1234 wrote:You can't act like that is AI. Specific people will put lots of effort into catch ups, but I don't know you at all so I can't say that you wouldn't do this as scum. Without meta that point is invalid.-
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Two questions, if you think effort is AI, why are you less suspicious of the Havingfitz site, who lurked out and got replaced and the current slot actually hasn't said very much.
(P.S, my slot replaced out because Havingfitz slot did, i wouldn't be pointing out an AI case to you if it was hypocritixal).
Second question,: you must assume I'm Town since Terata is your strongest scum-read. Which also means you think Havingfitz is Town. How can you have confidence in someone who can't find a single townie thing in your town-reads play?-
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Can you tell me how often Frogger and Terata play together? Would help me get a better feel for this post because it's the first one and Frog seems like a good player to have on your side.In post 61, Terata wrote:First and only read: frogg town. I think the way hes talking down to sheep constantly while pressuring is kinda hard to fake well as scum. Some1 can fill me in ok froggs scum play?
I havent played with sheep b4 obv, but he strikes me as a person that would defend himself awkardly as either alignment, so while i think towns could be pinged by his weird wordings, i dont rly think its scummy.
I would like to know why Wheme thinks the 3 agreeing with froggs push looked scummy to him. You think sheep has posted towny enough for it to be weird for townies to push on him too? I certainly dont and would love some expanding-
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It doesn't really make sense to defend someone and scum-read them at the same time.In post 83, Terata wrote:Towns:
Frogg
Lowell
gerry
Scum:
Sheep
Hawk
Lil Uzi Vert
i did reread Sheep, even if i still stand by he would over-defend himself awkwardly as either alignment, i think i still lean scum to the way he's not posted even 1 thing i could find towny-
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This conversation seems really fake and awkward in the sense that it is forced.In post 121, Terata wrote:Btw Sheep, if I for example Whiteknighted you as scum, what would i gain in then instantly swapping you to a scum lean a bit later after i resisted the wagon? doesn't that kinda negate the pocketing the whiteknighting as scum could've possibly gained?-
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Given Sheep was scum and there's no Day chat, this just looks like Coaching.In post 172, Terata wrote:i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with shit thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info.-
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Funny note but I read this somewhat as mimicking Frog, lol.In post 245, Terata wrote:
towny responseIn post 244, Hawk wrote:
Okay okay yes liked is usually a town associative word for me thats why I clarified with doesn't ping me one way or the other. I guess my use of like here means even if it's just subconscious I lean him more town than scum but still very null. Like I said I'm at work just now getting off forgive me I'm trying to do this from mobile lolIn post 243, Terata wrote:liked = towny in my book. You had fun reading it, so that's what you're gonna mean when you say you like something. noted..-
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Weird reads. PP is confident when doing his own thing. This doesn't even sound like a proper read in a mafia game.In post 505, Terata wrote:Towns:
Frogg- solving, mindmeld, pressuring
Lil Uzi Vert- Believable towny reasoning for early thoughts about suspicion
Naomi- emotional towny outlash, ok interactions
AJ- Towny confidence+compactness in his reads.
PenguinPower- Does his own thing in a confident way, though this is null to town, since it could be NAI if it's his personality
Null:-
Lowell (ill be able to place him after i ISO)
gerry- isn't trying
Scum
Sheep- is trying but not being towny
Hawk- fallen off hardest of all (except maybe gerry, but lol!gerry). Some weird sheeping here and there and not a lot of original thoughts that's not defending himself
ECMitchell- Don't feel a strong drive to solve. Also gutfeeling mostly
ChaosOmega- Already said case, but i doubt a bit from his response to Frog's case, mostly the WIFOM bit, im weak to that sorta stuff sorry. Also wanted to solve with me after which is never bad.
WhemeStar- Passive, apologetic, sheepy without admitting it and some wolfy wordings
Here's mine, i felt bad asking you for one while not doing 1 myself
Sheep read is so weak. "Trying but not being Towny" feels weird to read the 'trying' part from a sheep-is-scum perspective.-
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Why did I get so much shit for this but Terata got a pass. I knew I remembered seeing it but I can't remember from where.In post 1883, Terata wrote:Were never lynching frog. The push is awful and everone that actualy believe the claim should either reread d1 interactions or they are just scum. What we need to do now is to ask alisea over and over if she can confirm shes either tracker or mafia, and never is doing a shit play here. And tell us shes never done a shut play like this b4
Atleast I wanted to push Alisae after the claim. Terata didn't even suggest pushing her or voting her.-
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Honestly, I'm not playing dumb I'm actually quite unintelligent when finding things on this site. I hate catch up so I sometimes skip over things.In post 2171, I Am Innocent wrote:
Post one says Mafia has day chat.In post 2169, Unknown1234 wrote:
Given Sheep was scum and there's no Day chat, this just looks like Coaching.In post 172, Terata wrote:i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with shit thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info.
Where are the setup roles too?-
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If Lowell is convinced it's both of us, he will lose the game for Town because I would rather vote Havingfitz or Terata before you.
Terata obviously can't self vote, so basically we are relying on Havingfitz to do something. If it is Having fits then game over but honestly a Unknown/I Am Innocent vote is pretty shit.-
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This is almost the exact same thing that happened with Frogger and Alisae. Every single person thought that Frogger was town up until circumstances happened, and you decided tovote him based on a fake claim.
None of you were scum-reading me before today. You all assume that I am scum based on associations which is stupid because the majority of your reasoning is based on what you think the scum WOULD do and WHY Ali did what she did.
Then you can argue "Oh! But Ali was willing to do this so she must have had confidence in her scum team". And yet if I was scum, here I am getting suspected by the majority of the living players. You guys are completely overthinking everything and that's what Alisae would have wanted.
Like I said, I actually wish that you look at my interaction with both scum and tell me how I am scum with them.-
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This isn't even accurate. You don't know how to read emotion, and you are not even in the slightest bit looking at why I would do something from a Town perspective. It's only from a scum perspective that you see me and use stuff like "oh he didn't want Frogger dead so that means he was last minute buddying". That is one of the dumbest arguments ever and once again ignores the fact that I play differently than you and didn't do what you do. That doesn't make it scummy, and you are also assuming I'm dumb scum and trying to make myself look Town for the smallest things.In post 2190, Lowell wrote:Your whole defense right now is "EVERYTHING IS WIFOM!" I explained why I think it's you. You've done nothing to refute it other than to argue that the case "assumes" you are scum, whatever that means.-
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Obviously it's not LYLO unless there's a role or something that could make it otherwise (that I haven't heard of).In post 2198, havingfitz wrote:
What does this post even mean? Only two votes are in play...one on you. Why the whinging?In post 2195, Unknown1234 wrote:Terata isn't even showing up and yet people couldn't care less. She also defended me and said I was probably Town, which should be a sin for you because there's no way I'm Town.
My point being that I'm not scum, and you and Lowell have already expressed your desire to vote me. Me and I am Innocent will vote Terata, which means that she can't vote anyone but me. I'm town, therefore this makes the game increasingly more difficult because you would only have one miss lynch left.
Im defending myself because I'm Town, and I know that my lynch is a step back in the right direction.-
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I said I'd vote if we were done discussing.In post 2199, Lowell wrote:^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.-
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If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?In post 2200, havingfitz wrote:
If that was directed at me I'll vote soon enough. I'm still leaning towards Unknown but I'd like to see Terata's response to IAIs case/vote before this day ends.In post 2199, Lowell wrote:^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.-
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Wow, early scum-hunting! If effort is AI and I got straight into the game when I replaced in that must mean im Town. Well, that logic is crap but I am Town and developed reads as soon as I got in.In post 758, Unknown1234 wrote:From what I've seen at page 20, Naomi has been way too fence sitting IMO. She spends most of her time into reading and making Town-reads, but the one thing I have rarely seen is her digging into scum-reads. It's way too easy for scum to make Town-reads because they know who Town is and and can find the townie parts in people's posts.
I also notice that so many people have Town-reads on her that aren't explained in any depth. Unless people mention "she is providing lots of content" which I do not find her content to be scum-hunting.
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Good! I look forward to seeing it. (Sarcasm not intended in this post)In post 2211, havingfitz wrote:
I'm actually in the middle of a Terata ISO // IAI case review this very moment.In post 2208, Unknown1234 wrote:It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?-
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You actually said I've done nothing Town when I asked you. Or something similar. I'm sick and have a headache but I'm fairly certain this did happen.In post 2210, havingfitz wrote:
Where is this stated? Just because two ISOs on other players didn't have anything positive towards you doesn't mean it applies to your entire body of content. One of the reasons I haven't voted you is because I need to closer look you.In post 2205, Unknown1234 wrote:If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?-
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More observations, I actually develop my reads by changing my opinion on Wheme despite them being the leading train.In post 761, Unknown1234 wrote:
Issue with posts like this is that people have often expressed WhemeStar as an inexperienced scum or an inexperienced town. However, suddenly with this claim people don't even consider the possibility that they had no idea what to do and just claimed to prevent a miss lynch.In post 571, Fro99er wrote:offering to claim early as a protective is objectively bad town play. you want to stop a night kill if you are town, not draw the night kill. ESPECIALLY to have urgency to claim that on an odd day for an odd-night power. It's a bit more understandable if it were day 2 and he couldn't use it going into N2.
I think he'd know that as a town rolestopper.
Ergo, scum is the more likely possibility.
Could be wrong, but I'm starting to feel like the arguments on WhemeStar are way too one-sided.-
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Early suspicion directed towards Penguin Power.In post 764, Unknown1234 wrote:
Someone posting the bare minimum is always an issue for me.In post 652, PenguinPower wrote:
Yes. Because I'm actually taking a stance and providing my thoughts on slots, despite my low activity. He's not.In post 650, Fro99er wrote:are you going to chide Gerry for that while you lurk all game?
Which happened to be on my two expressed scum reads prior to - at least for Wheme - being started.In post 651, Fro99er wrote:Yo Penguin just hops on the big wagon every time too
You should probably read the rules.In post 651, Fro99er wrote:I also have this weird feelikng Penguin wasn't prodded because he was in his scum chat talking.-
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Encouraging other players to actually be productive.In post 774, Unknown1234 wrote:
I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.In post 768, gerryoat wrote:get an avatar lol please-
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More accusations against Penguin.In post 777, Unknown1234 wrote:
Penguin actually bothers me because they basically post only to stay in the game from what I've seen. Obviously I haven't been able to look over everything though because catching up sucks.In post 771, Fro99er wrote:Actually I got townvibes on that catch up-
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Would scum really say they'd vote both their scum teammates? Hmm.In post 812, Unknown1234 wrote:I need to look at Chaos too, so unless your case is compelling I'd rather lynch Sheep or Penguin today.-
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This is most likely why Gerry died.In post 1153, Unknown1234 wrote:
Who is your second strongest scum-read as of right now?In post 1151, Alisae wrote:lol I must really scumread Garrybote then-
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Here is where, once again, I'm disagreeing with Sheep on his reads and activity level. I also notice Sheep plops on Lowell.In post 1217, Unknown1234 wrote:
I double checked to see if I was wrong, but you made like 10 posts over 5 days, so if this is the kind of posting I should expect in a 14 day day then correct me if I'm wrong.In post 1183, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
I've been generally posting multiple times a day every day of the game, are you mixing me up with someone else?In post 1152, Unknown1234 wrote:Sheep has been gone for so long that I haven't even said something to them once. Given they've been under some heat all day I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if they were lurking scum.
People are ignoring how bad Hawk is until just now.
I'm actually having a hard time figuring out if there's more theory soft support for Lowell or Hawk.
I'mma do this to see if it's Lowell.
Vote: Lowell
Sheep the sheep everyone! There is mint julep tea at the end of this rainbow.
I will be back later if people manage to bum rush onto Hawk, the guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth all day.
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I think you should actually talk to me TBH.In post 2230, Lowell wrote:
I don't know. I would be surprised if it's him but I won't rule anyone out.In post 2207, havingfitz wrote:Lowell....what do you think of the Terata case?
Basically I think Unknown has more to gain by jumping on the sheep wagon at the end of D1 to theatrically hammer than terata does earlier in the wagon. Also, frogger was townreading terata pretty hard so the Ali move doesn't make a ton of sense to save terata. Although it is also true that terata being on the sheep wagon would explain why they couldn't turn the lynch to me-- terata abandoning ship when sheep got to dangerous ground would be too obvious.
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Sorry, I was still feeling sick so I just passed out and went to sleep as soon as I got home. Here now though.In post 2250, Terata wrote:
you home ?In post 2243, Unknown1234 wrote:Terata, can you explain to me why IAI is your pick over Havingfitz in more detail? Otherwise it looks like you are trying to vote him to make him vote me in order to survive (because Town does that too)
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I didn't "know" that Ali was lying, but if you were following me in the game at the time you would know that Ali was my early scum-read and Frogger was a really strong town-read. I know people in this game have had a disagreement about whether or not to immediately believe role claims but I don't usually agree with claims like that unless the player claiming it against an actual suspicious person made sense.In post 2251, Lowell wrote:
Okay, let's start with this. Explain to me how you knew Ali was lying about his claim. And, if you knew, why you didn't make any effort to convince anyone to lynch Ali first and save frogger. I've seen you when you're feeling passionate about convincing someone of something (like now, for instance)... so convince me your behavior then was the same.In post 2241, Unknown1234 wrote:Lowell your biggest issue is that your letting Alisae's actions convince you that fitz and IAI are innocent. It's actually incredibly stupid.
Can you say why I'm scum other than because Ali convinced u that her teammate is someone who wasn't in danger.
The reason I wasn't as passionate (yes, I wasn't I'm not going to say I was) was for two reasons
1.) I was busy in RL. This was around the time where I had planned to replace out, but I had decided to forget about it because Fire had accidentally kept me in. I was busy and had less time to post a lot of information.
2.) I was at school. If you look at when I normally post you'll notice when I often post more opposed to when I can't, and it's harder for me to post a lot during class so I wasn't able to do any long convincing posts.
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What was THIS anyways? It was your only post in the day and it was a hammer at the 14 hour mark.
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Why do I say this if I'm scum? I gain nothing except to aggravate you. You guys just can't read emotions I suppose.
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Unless you think this is pre-acting, I don't know why I would show doubt about hammering my own teammate.In post 1430, Unknown1234 wrote:TBH, I'm not feeling as good about this lynch as I could be.
However, my gut is telling me to hammer.
I'll regret this later, maybe... stupid Gut.
VOTE: Sheep-
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Why would I draw this much attention to myself? Unless you think I'm a super sinister player who actually purposely did this to look Town, then you aren't following the game well.
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