Yeah I sometimes misread something like no result for frogger :-/In post 1995, Alisae wrote:I misread no one visited my target for Frogger so I'm thinking scum has a ninja.
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I'd like to ask that we not rush this lynch, and personally I'd like to read the whole thread and look for interactions between the two scum and living players.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Ok, but in the chance you're wrong, you don't want my help in solving the game? Cause waiting a week to cast that vote might just help town get a win. Why, because 1) I'm town 2) I'm a pretty good late game player.In post 2044, Unknown1234 wrote:Honestly I only read that as an attempt to look Town.
All I'm asking for is one week. So please unvote for now and listen to what I have to say. If the group doesn't like it, lynch me and when I flip town, trust that info in LyLo.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Will start a read thru today. Also want to capture everyone's votes too. Will share when I'm done.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Thanks all for your patience. Through page 14. Seeing two of the four people remaining as pretty townie based on the interactions with Sheep, and two who are coming off as scummy. Will continue the read through, and see how these develop. Shouldn't be that much longer.
But Lowell brings up something that came to my mind as well (with the understanding I haven't read all of D1/D2 yet). Why does ali make a 1 for 1 trade, which would then leave 1 scum alive. It is terrible play unless that last scum thinks they can survive two mislynches.
In post 2074, Lowell wrote:1- can someone explain to me what ali was doing? Or at least a plausible theory? would have liked yesterday to have lasted long enough to discuss it.ShowTown 21-21-1
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So did that affect your reads then?In post 2076, Unknown1234 wrote:I literally said that earlier.
I agree with the first part of the sentence, but the latter is confusing. Scum usually don't care how they win, as long as they do. If by the second half you mean, scum are not going to want to lurk because lurking draws attention, then I agree.In post 2076, Unknown1234 wrote:I also said that scum would try to be more convincing and not lurker scum, because winning due to being anlurker is stupid and makes you look bad.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Yeah this read on Sheep makes me want to puke. The one on Penguin is not much better either.In post 603, Terata wrote:Same list as earlier but updated on some parts.
Strong Towns:
Frogg- solving, mindmeld, pressuring
Lil Uzi Vert- Believable towny reasoning for early thoughts about suspicion
Naomi- emotional towny outlash, ok interactions
Decently strong towns:
AJ- Towny confidence+compactness in his reads.
Lowell-Free-flowey and sounds like he's solving the times he's been here. He gives real-sounding thoughts that doesn't seem like a try to get townread to me.
gerry- isn't trying
Weak towns:
Hawk- beginning of #575's towny. On return he's not as focused on defense as he was early game, but is more solving forward. Though big bits of his reads still feels kinda like he's pushing sheep for being bad more than scummy. Which is a little worrying.
PenguinPower- he's confident, but need much more from him to lock in as a real read, it's mostly tone so far.
Nulls:
Gerry- im hyped to see you start solving
Null to scum:
Sheep- i have real problems reading this guy because of his poststyle/personality. i'd rather lynch elsewhere for now since i have worse feelings elsewhere, but i won't hard defend him if my townreads agree together on lynching him.
Scum leans:
ChaosOmega- Already said case, but i doubt a bit from his response to Frog's case, mostly the WIFOM bit, im weak to that sorta stuff sorry. Also wanted to solve with me after which is never bad.
ECMitchell- Don't feel a strong drive to solve. Also gutfeeling mostly.
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Hey Terata, how come when I do a control F on your ISO with the word PENGUIN, I get 5 hits and they are all from reads lists or vote counts? No quoting of his posts, no mention of him elsewhere.
If the reads list I just quoted has the following blurbage next to Penguin "he's confident, but need much more from him to lock in as a real read, it's mostly tone so far." why not engage him so you could lock in a read on him?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Do you think Alisea does a 1 on 1 with Frogger when his last partner is my slot or Fitz's?In post 2039, Terata wrote:but there will take a lot for me to not end up lynching Innocent/FitzShowTown 21-21-1
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Thru post 625. The scummiest two players in regards to Sheep/Penguin interactions is Naomi/Fitz and Terata. I personally don't imagine Alisea pulling that gambit if Fitz is the last scum tho, and Terrata's interactions with flipped scum is putrid.
I'll continue my read, thanks for your patience everyone.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I haven't gotten to that one yet but the comment on penguin/alisea is interesting.
As for night actions vig, x shot vig, JOAT including a vig would be most likely concerns. Tho holding that for end of game would be risky so we need to just make the best lynch possible today and expect we'll have one more lynch in pocket if we're wrong.
Ps paranoid gun owner would be the other but with the number of dead town power I doubt we have to worry about that either.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Like my slot is the worse for no interactions but penguins slot gets a null for no interactions lol.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Yeah pretty terrible. L-2 vote after agonizing earlier if it was okay to lynch a claimed power role. This with EC and Sheep each having wagons as well...In post 782, Terata wrote:even though i generally agree with the fact that scum usually easier believes joke claims like that and goes with it, i still don't feel great about a Hawk lynch right now. I'm probably leaning towards a Wheme lynch after all, since i kinda agreed with Chaos when he said Scum will just be able to play around it probably if we leave Wheme alive.
i didn't really get a strong feeling on unnknown from the catch up, but i think the slot is town from lil, so i'll look into that more later days.
i wouldn't be against a Sheep lynch, but i think we got a bigger chance in hitting scum in Wheme.
VOTE: WhemeStar
I have more concrete reasons in my head for why i think Wheme's scummy, while EC is just a gutfeeling. And even if i were more certain i wouldn't get a following there anyway i think from what ive read. So i think this is my best voteShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 803, Fro99er wrote:Sheep.
Olive branch.
Who would you prefer that lynch between Lowell, Penguin, and chaos.
Hawk isn't happening and Wheme isn't happening without a CC
This bodes very well for your slot unknown.In post 812, Unknown1234 wrote:I need to look at Chaos too, so unless your case is compelling I'd rather lynch Sheep or Penguin today.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Replace in vote near deadline bodes well for Lowell as well.In post 883, Alisae wrote:355 he notes that my slot was oppertunistic but when he actually puts down reads he doesn't really have a solid read on me.
612 is him basicly saying that EC is coasting scum (I need to read EC's ISO), but the fact that he goes after EC over Garrybote (who is also coasting) is strange. Like it seems like he's trying to not bring attention to Garrybote.
Also I wanna add that he thinks the claim was real and then suddenly it's not? That's rather inconsistant.
I don't like him, I wanna kill it!
KILL! KILL! KILL!
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I'll reread it after I'm done D1/D2 and let you know later.In post 2093, Unknown1234 wrote:what do you think of Terata's play from yesterday?ShowTown 21-21-1
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In post 908, Unknown1234 wrote:Are you trying to explain to me that you don't think buddying is bad from perspective? Given the first thing you did was address him and establish him as "Town and ez win" you basically get yourself in a position where if he is scum then he can easily manipulate you in his favour.
On the other hand, if you are scum then you are trying to get him on your side if you believe he is a strong Town player. Both make sense from my perspective.
If you're Town, being super friendly in a game of mafia doesn't work out well.
Not sure if Lowell's last post has me but this sequence of posts doesn't help with that!In post 909, Alisae wrote:This isn't about the buddying.
Also please don't tell me how to play the game and how to play as town.
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Largest wagon at 2 right now, this vote puts Sheep at 2 as well. Odd vote for a teammate to make, bodes well for Fitz.In post 986, havingfitz wrote:I'm only on page 12 of my catch up read through. And the pages are getting blurry. Here's where I am at atm:
Suspect Sheep and Terata
Feel like Frogger, AJ are town.
Everyone else still in need of sorting out.
No interest in a Wheme lynch today for claim and not keen on those pushing him.
Of the current wagons I'd be most likely to support a Chaos one but I'd need to finish my catch up or ISO him first.
For now....
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Through 1075, hoping to be caught up tomorrow, Thursday at the latest. Hopefully Terata pops in and responds to some of these posts.ShowTown 21-21-1
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The whole back and forth on that page felt off. Commens like "If you're Town, being super friendly in a game of mafia doesn't work out well" & "Also please don't tell me how to play the game and how to play as town" when one of the players flipped scum and the other is still alive could be scum coaching.In post 2102, Unknown1234 wrote:
Explain this more.In post 2096, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 908, Unknown1234 wrote:Are you trying to explain to me that you don't think buddying is bad from perspective? Given the first thing you did was address him and establish him as "Town and ez win" you basically get yourself in a position where if he is scum then he can easily manipulate you in his favour.
On the other hand, if you are scum then you are trying to get him on your side if you believe he is a strong Town player. Both make sense from my perspective.
If you're Town, being super friendly in a game of mafia doesn't work out well.
Not sure if Lowell's last post has me but this sequence of posts doesn't help with that!In post 909, Alisae wrote:This isn't about the buddying.
Also please don't tell me how to play the game and how to play as town.
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I doubt Sheep would include both of his companions in this list, with a Goon #3 and his other partner #1.In post 1081, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
I would do Lowell, Chaos, and Penguin in that order of preference.In post 803, Fro99er wrote:Sheep.
Olive branch.
Who would you prefer that lynch between Lowell, Penguin, and chaos.
Hawk isn't happening and Wheme isn't happening without a CC
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1112 posts in the game and this is terribad.In post 1112, Terata wrote:im so confused by all these setup shenanigans and what that means to others alignments. Im probably just gonna sheep Frogg if he votes someone i think is a decent vote since i think he's both a veteran (good for setup shit) and town
Pretty sure scum is Terata >>>>>>> HavingFitz/Unknown >>>>>>> Lowell
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Continues to push a power role lynch, with 0 push to the Sheep or Penguin/Alisea slots to this point anywayIn post 1113, Terata wrote:
well, let's assume you're scum for a second. then there's only 2 scum outside of you. And i don't think most people would put themselves out there to hard defend you as a teammate with how much pressure there's been on you today. Tbh i think they would just bus or just assess where the flow is going.In post 1111, WhemeStar wrote:My wagon has 0 resistance. Do you really think a scum would be lynched so easily
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And then there is.....In post 1300, Terata wrote:still feel Lowell has a towny straight to the point tone and think he's just likely town lhf. And if im right on Lowell, i think there has to be scum in his vote right now. Sheep is the one i feel worst about individually there. So VOTE: Cooperative Sheep. i would trust you if you found a better cfd Frogg, but i just don't like the Lowell lynch todayShowTown 21-21-1
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As of this post, Here is the following votes on Sheep and Penguin/Alisea's slots:In post 2111, Unknown1234 wrote:
This isn't a fair argument. Most people did that.In post 2109, I Am Innocent wrote:
Continues to push a power role lynch, with 0 push to the Sheep or Penguin/Alisea slots to this point anywayIn post 1113, Terata wrote:
well, let's assume you're scum for a second. then there's only 2 scum outside of you. And i don't think most people would put themselves out there to hard defend you as a teammate with how much pressure there's been on you today. Tbh i think they would just bus or just assess where the flow is going.In post 1111, WhemeStar wrote:My wagon has 0 resistance. Do you really think a scum would be lynched so easily
So i don't think the fact that there's not much resistance to your lynch makes you town
Post Date Player Vote
23 2/3/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
28 2/3/2017 gerryoat Cooperative Sheep
29 2/3/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
51 2/3/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
52 2/3/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
229 2/4/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
247 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
346 2/6/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
572 2/7/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
650 2/9/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
725 2/11/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
727 2/11/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
790 2/12/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
986 2/13/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Cooperative Sheep
1008 2/13/2017 gerryoat Alisae (Penguin)
Still feel that most people did that?ShowTown 21-21-1
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And Unknown's response.In post 1302, Unknown1234 wrote:Someone thinks Lowell is Town?
Doubled up with your lack of activity recently is suspicious.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Well that's where I'm at in my read through (around post 1300 or so). This actually is a pretty key part of the game....where the wagon shifts back to Sheep. Not sure what to make of Terata being the one to restart that, or that you, who was just having back and forth with Sheep about 2 posts per game being lurking or not, are attacking his attacker. I believe that's called chainsawingIn post 2115, Unknown1234 wrote:You are quoting posts that happened half the game ago. Havingfitz did the exact same thing, and it's weird if you are implying my reads aren't allowed to change.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Does scum Fitz make this post to town Unknown after successfully hammering his teammate? Me doesn't see that.In post 1437, havingfitz wrote:
What a weakass vote. Lowell...who I think you suspected...was just a vote behind Sheep. But instead you have such doubts about your hammer. Oh woe is you. smhIn post 1430, Unknown1234 wrote:TBH, I'm not feeling as good about this lynch as I could be.
However, my gut is telling me to hammer.
I'll regret this later, maybe... stupid Gut.
VOTE: SheepShowTown 21-21-1
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AKA Alisea, it's okay to 1 vs 1 against Frogger cause I can win it...In post 1526, Fro99er wrote:Terata had zero reason to START a counterwagon to Lowell on her scumbuddy.
Terata is nearly conftown in my eyesShowTown 21-21-1
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interesting.In post 1565, Alisae wrote:Okay now you just get roped.
Terata scum after starting a flashwagon on Sheep AROUND DEADLINE?
REALLY?
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includes alisea interestingly enoughIn post 1591, Terata wrote:Ftr i think everyone except unknown gets big points for voting sheep.ShowTown 21-21-1
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No I get it. But my theory is that Alisea's 1 for 1 trade indicates to me that the 3rd scum must be someone that could escape two mislynches after alisea was lynched. When the most townie person in the game D2 says "Terata is nearly conftown" that falls right in line with the type of player that would be okay with Alisea's 1 for 1 trade.In post 2121, havingfitz wrote:
Frogger was talking about Terata starting the Sheep wagon back up when Lowell was at L-2.In post 2118, I Am Innocent wrote:
AKA Alisea, it's okay to 1 vs 1 against Frogger cause I can win it...In post 1526, Fro99er wrote:Terata had zero reason to START a counterwagon to Lowell on her scumbuddy.
Terata is nearly conftown in my eyesShowTown 21-21-1
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I hear ya, that is the one thing I can't figure out. I did notice after he made that vote, he disappeared for the rest of Day 1. Maybe he made that vote hoping to get town cred later, not realizing how quickly it took off.
Still the list of bad posts by him (and others regarding him) is bad:
Post 61 "I havent played with sheep b4 obv, but he strikes me as a person that would defend himself awkardly as either alignment, so while i think towns could be pinged by his weird wordings, i dont rly think its scummy."
Post 83 "i did reread Sheep, even if i still stand by he would over-defend himself awkwardly as either alignment, i think i still lean scum to the way he's not posted even 1 thing i could find towny" (At the bottom of his reads list, the only person he specifically commented on)
Post 107 (by Sheep) "I also am okay with Terata.
That said I would tend to expect one scum amongst Terata, Naomi, and Chaos - just due to not having a town read on him and having one on the other two, I'll call it as Chaos." (Flip flop on Terata, and classic small group with one scummate in it, but push a townie hardest within the group/Chaos)
Post 172 "i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with s*** thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info." (weird interaction for someone you supposedly scum read)
Post 179 "(and frogg, just ignore him, you know its best for town, even though im not sure he does)" (Trying to get Frog to focus elsewhere other than Sheep)
Post 202 "Frog being dismissive and non-caring and then having this quick turn. I can't tell if it feels forced or not since i dont know the guy" (tries to discredit Frog who is pushing Sheep, also doesn't "know the guy" yet in Post 61 claimed to know all about Sheep despite never playing with him b4)
Post 379, he has a reads list with 5 town reads (including Penguin), and 4 null reads (including Sheep). His scum reads include 3 players. Pretty much how I'd expect scum Terata to act, 1 scum in each of his two biggest groups.
Post 487, making pre-excuses for his vote on Wheme "i really feel like this is not inexperienced town but inexperienced scum. but im gonna feel so bad if im wrong :/"
Post 505, New Reads List "Sheep- is trying but not being towny" What the heck does "he is trying" mean? He's doing a bad job at faking his towniness? Slip much???
Post 509, responding to Wheme's reads list "Frogg is pretty obvious, but Naomi im more interested in" (4 posts earlier Terata lists Naomi as his #3 town read)
Post 603, new reads list "PenguinPower- he's confident, but need much more from him to lock in as a real read, it's mostly tone so far." Yet never once engages this slot to further his read
Post 603 "Sheep- i have real problems reading this guy because of his poststyle/personality. i'd rather lynch elsewhere for now since i have worse feelings elsewhere, but i won't hard defend him if my townreads agree together on lynching him." Despite throwing him in the scum group, semi defends him "real problems reading this guy" and tries to deflect elsewhere.
Then there was the post by Unknown looking for connections. He list my slot as being the worst for having no interactions with Sheep, yet he put's Penguin's slot at null for the same reasons.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I'm caught up. I'm pretty sure it is Terata. If not Terata, probably Unknown. Lowell is for sure town.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Why not have ECM or HavingFitz in that case do the fake claim? It doesn't make sense to have Alisea do it unless Alisea's partner was more town read than Alisea?In post 2124, Unknown1234 wrote:Honestly, Frogger had so much confidence in his read on Alisae. Given Frogger was targeted by Alisae in attempt to get rid of a leader, it is obvious that this reads must have been mostly accurate otherwise he would have been leading incorrect lynches. It makes me much more confident in Terata.
Who fits that bill. Not me or Fitz. Terata is #1. Followed by Lowell and prob you. Fitz and me, tho, nope, try again.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I'm ready to lynch Terata, what are you talking about?!?!?In post 2131, Unknown1234 wrote:I don't like how both people who questioned me are your Town-reads. Seems to conveniently easy to just pick me off and then put a strong case against a relatively harder lynch.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Did you miss the part where ECM was at L-1 Day 2. Including Alisea, who pushed hard when people hopped off that wagon. And that was with 2 people unvoting when it got to L-1.In post 2133, Unknown1234 wrote:Given EC was entirely inactive actually makes more sense for Ali to do it. Leaves less options and a replace out leaves for a fresh start. Could be a matter of activity and the fact that very few people trusted EC.
You just went sassy which I find funny. As if you are going completely aggressive on me for suspecting you.
ECM was universally scum read. Try again.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Did you miss the part where ECM was at L-1 Day 2. Including Alisea, who pushed hard when people hopped off that wagon. And that was with 2 people unvoting when it got to L-1.In post 2133, Unknown1234 wrote:Given EC was entirely inactive actually makes more sense for Ali to do it. Leaves less options and a replace out leaves for a fresh start. Could be a matter of activity and the fact that very few people trusted EC.
You just went sassy which I find funny. As if you are going completely aggressive on me for suspecting you.
ECM was universally scum read. Try again.ShowTown 21-21-1
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And wouldn't scum IAI be smart to take it them (assuming your town) and then go 1 vs 1 with Fitz tomorrow.In post 2134, Unknown1234 wrote:That's my point. You can spend your time getting miss lynch #1 off if you're scum with your strongest case. The other two have already gladly shown support for my lynch.
Could it be I'm really town and really trying to figure this out. Forget ECM, trust me I read that crap, and I can't change his play. I've played with him before, he is a pretty crappy player. But if I'm right about Terata, ECM did hit on 2 of the 3 scum, though not really pushing either of them.
I'm town. My play is town. You think that catchup is faked? You don't know I spent the last two days tracking ever vote and unvote:
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4 2/3/2017 Fro99er gerryoat
5 2/3/2017 WhemeStar Unknown1234 (Lil)
7 2/3/2017 AJ The Epic WhemeStar
10 2/3/2017 Cooperative Sheep WhemeStar
11 2/3/2017 Fro99er gerryoat
11 2/3/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
13 2/3/2017 Lowell Unknown1234 (Lil)
23 2/3/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
23 2/3/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
28 2/3/2017 gerryoat Cooperative Sheep
29 2/3/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
51 2/3/2017 Lowell Unknown1234 (Lil)
51 2/3/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
52 2/3/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
54 2/3/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
62 2/3/2017 Terata Unknown1234 (Lil)
75 2/4/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
75 2/4/2017 Hawk Unknown1234 (Lil)
117 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
117 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
158 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep WhemeStar
158 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Fro99er
213 2/4/2017 AJ The Epic WhemeStar
213 2/4/2017 AJ The Epic Hawk
222 2/4/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
222 2/4/2017 Fro99er Hawk
223 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Fro99er
223 2/4/2017 Cooperative Sheep Hawk
229 2/4/2017 Fro99er Hawk
229 2/4/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
233 2/4/2017 WhemeStar Unknown1234 (Lil)
233 2/4/2017 WhemeStar Hawk
247 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
247 2/4/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
253 2/5/2017 gerryoat Cooperative Sheep
284 2/5/2017 Terata Unknown1234 (Lil)
284 2/5/2017 Terata ChaosOmega
324 2/5/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
346 2/6/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
355 2/6/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
355 2/6/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
359 2/6/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
359 2/6/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
391 2/6/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
405 2/6/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
429 2/6/2017 Fro99er Lowell
458 2/6/2017 WhemeStar Hawk
458 2/6/2017 WhemeStar Lowell
460 2/6/2017 Terata ChaosOmega
460 2/6/2017 Terata WhemeStar
461 2/6/2017 Fro99er Lowell
461 2/6/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
527 2/7/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
527 2/7/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
540 2/7/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
540 2/7/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
545 2/7/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
552 2/7/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
572 2/7/2017 Hawk Unknown1234 (Lil)
572 2/7/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
601 2/8/2017 Terata WhemeStar
605 2/8/2017 Terata I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
612 2/8/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
612 2/8/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
613 2/8/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
613 2/8/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
628 2/8/2017 AJ The Epic Hawk
628 2/8/2017 AJ The Epic Lowell
650 2/9/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
650 2/9/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
677 2/10/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) gerryoat
677 2/10/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) WhemeStar
684 2/10/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
725 2/11/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
725 2/11/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
727 2/11/2017 WhemeStar Lowell
727 2/11/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
780 2/12/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
780 2/12/2017 Fro99er Hawk
782 2/12/2017 Terata I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
782 2/12/2017 Terata WhemeStar
790 2/12/2017 Fro99er Hawk
790 2/12/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
816 2/12/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
816 2/12/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
854 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
880 2/12/2017 Fro99er Alisae (Penguin)
883 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Lowell
892 2/12/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) WhemeStar
944 2/12/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
950 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Lowell
950 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
953 2/12/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
953 2/12/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
964 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
964 2/12/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
986 2/13/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Cooperative Sheep
1003 2/13/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
1003 2/13/2017 Hawk ChaosOmega
1008 2/13/2017 gerryoat Alisae (Penguin)
1023 2/13/2017 Hawk ChaosOmega
1023 2/13/2017 Hawk gerryoat
1040 2/13/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1040 2/13/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
1074 2/13/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1074 2/13/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
1076 2/13/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
1076 2/13/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1089 2/13/2017 Fro99er WhemeStar
1107 2/13/2017 Hawk gerryoat
1107 2/13/2017 Hawk WhemeStar
1129 2/14/2017 Alisae (Penguin) WhemeStar
1138 2/14/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Havingfitz (Naomi)
1181 2/14/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1181 2/14/2017 Lowell Havingfitz (Naomi)
1183 2/14/2017 Cooperative Sheep Hawk
1183 2/14/2017 Cooperative Sheep Lowell
1185 2/14/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Cooperative Sheep
1185 2/14/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) Lowell
1219 2/14/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1263 2/14/2017 Hawk WhemeStar
1263 2/14/2017 Hawk Lowell
1277 2/14/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
1277 2/14/2017 Fro99er Lowell
1300 2/14/2017 Terata WhemeStar
1300 2/14/2017 Terata Cooperative Sheep
1320 2/14/2017 Fro99er Lowell
1320 2/14/2017 Fro99er Cooperative Sheep
1322 2/14/2017 Hawk Lowell
1322 2/14/2017 Hawk Cooperative Sheep
1324 2/14/2017 Alisae (Penguin) Cooperative Sheep
1352 2/14/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
1352 2/14/2017 WhemeStar Cooperative Sheep
1354 2/14/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1354 2/14/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) Lowell
1360 2/15/2017 Lowell Havingfitz (Naomi)
1360 2/15/2017 Lowell Cooperative Sheep
1420 2/15/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
1420 2/15/2017 ChaosOmega Lowell
1430 2/15/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Havingfitz (Naomi)
1430 2/15/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) Cooperative Sheep
Day 2
Post Date Player Vote Unvote
1487 2/17/2017 ChaosOmega I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1530 2/17/2017 I am Innocent (ny/ECM) WhemeStar
1536 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1538 2/17/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1563 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) gerryoat
1563 2/17/2017 Alisae (Penguin) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1580 2/18/2017 WhemeStar I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1646 2/19/2017 AJ The Epic ChaosOmega
1667 2/21/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1670 2/21/2017 Lowell I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1687 2/22/2017 Havingfitz (Naomi) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1689 2/22/2017 Fro99er I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1708 2/22/2017 WhemeStar I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1708 2/22/2017 WhemeStar ChaosOmega
1714 2/23/2017 Lowell ChaosOmega
1737 2/24/2017 ChaosOmega I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1737 2/24/2017 ChaosOmega WhemeStar
1747 2/24/2017 Alisae (Penguin) I am Innocent (ny/ECM)
1751 2/25/2017 Alisae (Penguin) ChaosOmega
1752 2/25/2017 Unknown1234 (Lil) ChaosOmega
1754 2/25/2017 Fro99er ChaosOmega
You think that's scum IAI faking it up?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Ok I missed that, my apologies. Tho I strongly disagree, fake claim is a fake claim, I've played on this site long enough to tell you nearly 100% of the time people go with the fake claim in a non LyLo/MyLo situation.In post 2138, Unknown1234 wrote:You didn't read what I said if that's your response. I never said EC was town-read I said nobody would believe them.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Because as good as I am, I'm not perfect. Could I be wrong on Terata, sure, I've been wrong before. I'm on wrong on him, based on Alisea's 1vs1 and your play on this page, could you be the likeliest #2, probably. So no, I won't take these shots lying down, esp if there is mafia agenda behind it.In post 2139, Unknown1234 wrote:FYI, you said "try again" implying you think I'm purposely trying to make you look scummy or discredit you. If you thought Terata was scum, what need would you have to say that.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Sure I can. Isn't scumhunting AI? Isn't that all about effort? Trying to see if someone is faking it vs. really doing it. I can give you my scum meta, last two games I replaced out because I lurked it out as scum. Not interested, unfortunately I prefer finding scum, hence the effort. If you can't see the effort and thought I was just saving all that for my back pocket to use at said moment, then you have a long way to go (or are scum).In post 2142, Unknown1234 wrote:You can't act like that is AI. Specific people will put lots of effort into catch ups, but I don't know you at all so I can't say that you wouldn't do this as scum. Without meta that point is invalid.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I've played with Fitz before, multiple times. I liked his vote in 986, no need to vote Sheep at that point. Also I'm putting a lot of stock in the Alisea gambit, doesn't make sense for Alisea to do that instead of Fitz or with Fitz as a partner.
The one thing I don't like is that if I'm wrong about Terata, Fitz is the other slot from that early Sheep's read list I pointed out:
Post 107 (by Sheep) "I also am okay with Terata.
That said I would tend to expect one scum amongst Terata, Naomi, and Chaos - just due to not having a town read on him and having one on the other two, I'll call it as Chaos." (Flip flop on Terata, and classic small group with one scummate in it, but push a townie hardest within the group/Chaos)
Once again, I'm pretty sure it's Terata. If I'm wrong, chances are town loses because I will likely be the next lynch (or maybe first to go with a promise Terata is lynched in LyLo).
If I'm right about Fitz and Lowell, and we can form a town block, auto win. Once again, another if, but both I feel confident about.ShowTown 21-21-1
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vote terata
If the group goes with me, I want a promise that terata is lynched in LyLo when I flip green. Time for others to talk. I'll be happy to answer any questions thoShowTown 21-21-1
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Oh, here's my last two scum games. First was me, second was a hydra with Nero which I never even posted:
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Both had good points and bad points (unlike Lowell who was almost all good points and Terata almost all bad points). The tiebreaker was the Alisea gambit, doesn't add up for me with Fitz as the last partner. Your slot, I can at least see that.In post 2155, Unknown1234 wrote:I thought Terata was town because they were the only person who was actually able to identify me as Town. But I guess It could just be more buddying.
Why do you think it's me over Havingfitz? And can you answer the question about Havinfitz's ISO?
What question about Fitz's ISO?ShowTown 21-21-1
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Yeah replaced out cause I flaked out lol.In post 2157, Unknown1234 wrote:Well, it looks like you did get replaced out of that one game. That's a really bad meta to have though.ShowTown 21-21-1
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I addressed that in 2126 "I hear ya, that is the one thing I can't figure out. I did notice after he made that vote, he disappeared for the rest of Day 1. Maybe he made that vote hoping to get town cred later, not realizing how quickly it took off."In post 2159, Unknown1234 wrote:Terata voted really early on the sheep train. What do you think about that?
It's the only thing, ONLY thing positive Terata did. Unless you count buddying up to frog when the whole world was against him during the Alisea claim, but one could also point out that Terata was the only person that knew Frog was telling the truth...ShowTown 21-21-1
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Then hope I'm right. I'm on a hot streak, so chances are looking good, esp in light of Terata's lurking.In post 2161, Unknown1234 wrote:Honestly, I can't see a way to convince anyone of Havingfitz being the last scum. If Terata is Town then Town will 99% lose. I'll vote when we are ready to end day.
Look at my last town game...great quote by Black Void post game:
"The scumteam here were demolished by the wrecking ball that was IAI."
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That's what I'm saying, he did that ALL DAY ONE!!! And his first vote on Sheep, was his only vote on sheep. The one that got him all his town cred.In post 2166, Unknown1234 wrote:
It doesn't really make sense to defend someone and scum-read them at the same time.In post 83, Terata wrote:Towns:
Frogg
Lowell
gerry
Scum:
Sheep
Hawk
Lil Uzi Vert
i did reread Sheep, even if i still stand by he would over-defend himself awkwardly as either alignment, i think i still lean scum to the way he's not posted even 1 thing i could find townyShowTown 21-21-1
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Post one says Mafia has day chat.In post 2169, Unknown1234 wrote:
Given Sheep was scum and there's no Day chat, this just looks like Coaching.In post 172, Terata wrote:i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with shit thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Unknown (and possibly terata) are only people I can think of who would benefit from this. <> If not unknown, then I'm leaning IaI based on these last few pages.
Why are you so resistant to Terata?ShowTown 21-21-1
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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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I just honestly feel if Lowell, Fitz, and I stick together, we win. If I'm wrong about one of those two, I'll personally take full responsibility for the loss. And if that was the case, I'm sure Frogger will let me have it with his "don't ever vote out terata" postgame.
If the choices are Unknown today, and if Unknown flips town, than me, I'd rather you lynch me first so Lowell/Fitz, whoever survives the night can trust my analysis and seriously consider Terata in LyLo. Make Terata and Unknown cross vote, then you make the final call.
I've done about all I can do to this point. I don't see my reads changing.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Can I request a prod on the mod too???ShowTown 21-21-1
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I Am Innocent Jack of All Trades
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Unknown, any comments on this?In post 2176, havingfitz wrote:
The fact scum has day chat has been mentioned several times in this game. Including this:In post 2174, Unknown1234 wrote:
Honestly, I'm not playing dumb I'm actually quite unintelligent when finding things on this site. I hate catch up so I sometimes skip over things.In post 2171, I Am Innocent wrote:
Post one says Mafia has day chat.In post 2169, Unknown1234 wrote:In post 172, Terata wrote:i think you should adapt Frogg's approach in this case, Sheep. Show us you can focus on something else than the one you're tunneling with shit thats boring to read. That will help both you and us more than reading whatever you're doing now, which is being salty at Frogg's annoying (to you) playstyle. Something scum and town could do, so we dont get any info.Given Sheep was scum and there's no Day chat, this just looks like Coaching.
Where are the setup roles too?In post 766, Unknown1234 wrote:2.) When Chaos is around, he interacts with Wheme the most which makes me believe that they aren't on the same team because they wouldn't need to discuss as muchwith the day chatthat they'd have.ShowTown 21-21-1
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Fitz, thanks for waiting until Terata responds/votes. I'd appreciate it if you wait until that happens and we can discuss.ShowTown 21-21-1
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1) And right before that Terata parked a vote on me and nothing happened.In post 2197, havingfitz wrote:In post 2194, Unknown1234 wrote:Also, where did Terata lead a counter train on you? How close were you to dying?
1.) I don't remember her leading that train at all.
2.) if you were about to be lynched, I could see it as distancing if she thought that you were a guaranteed lynch.
1) Not sure how much leading she did but she got the ball rolling.In post 2123, havingfitz wrote:Why would Terata start a scum wagon on Sheep when she just could have supportedthe L-2 Lowell wagonor lurk?
2) possibly...
People keep acting like Terata was like, sheep is so scummy, vote sheep! That was actually frogger....terata spent most of the day semi-defending sheep.ShowTown 21-21-1
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