Mini Normal 1879 Bringer Mafia II [Game Over]

[Fro99er]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69859
FA was a town 1-shot rolestopper in this game.

Right, and there was no regular cop or vig in that game.

[ECMitchell]

Good Lord, Alisae, you're quite the whirlwind aren't you? You join and the game zips on by. I need to catch up on a lot, but what I'm taking away more than anything else from my quick reading is WhemeStar is basically counterclaimed once, twice, or thrice over. That's certainly enough for me.

However, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why a Role Stopper would be odd-night while the other power roles are supposedly even-night.

AJ, I'm still inclined to agree Lowell is scum. I don't see that lynch going anywhere today though, and WhemeStar's death will tell us far, far more.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WhemeStar

Alisae, you said scum can fake lackadaisical town power roles easily but they cannot fake conviction? I question if you've only been playing with newbie scum to come to that conclusion.

[Fro99er]

However, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why a Role Stopper would be odd-night while the other power roles are supposedly even-night.

who ever said the other PRs are even night?

[Alisae]

...
Did ECM basically just slip?

[Fro99er]

So we have

Wheme - Odd-night rolestopper
Hawk - mechanically says Wheme's role makes sense as town in conjunction with his
Chaos - says Wheme's role doesn't make sense as town based off his own PR
Gerry - says he's a PR

[Alisae]

Why are people saying they're PRs again?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Sheep.

Olive branch.

Who would you prefer that lynch between Lowell, Penguin, and chaos.

Hawk isn't happening and Wheme isn't happening without a CC

I would do Lowell, Chaos, and Penguin in that order of preference.
Still ten pages back - welcome to all my games

[Fro99er]

Why are people saying they're PRs again?

well Wheme got to L-1 so he claimed

Gerry is being Gerry and claiming too early

Chaos is CC'ing Wheme sort of, and Hawk was kind of town-confirming Wheme.

So I guess all except Gerry's make sense.

[Alisae]

You forgot Hawk

[Fro99er]

You forgot Hawk

no, I mentioned hawk

[Alisae]

oh derp I can't read.

[Alisae]

That or I think I am just literally going insane.

[Aj The Epic]

And tbh we're not even touching on the fact that Sheep is a dreaming god.

[Aj The Epic]

But really that's too much town power written in in Frogger's post. Bet's on Wheme or Hawk second scum here to Lowell. But apparently we can let CO take care of Wheme's claim.

[Fro99er]

That's true.

We can let CO take care of wheme tonight, so we should probably lynch elsewhere

UNVOTE:

[Unknown1234]

Wheme train has a few shit people on it. What's the vote count again?

[ECMitchell]

However, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why a Role Stopper would be odd-night while the other power roles are supposedly even-night.

who ever said the other PRs are even night?

I'll try to find the post on my lunch, but I thought I read Chaos asking Hawk whether he was odd-enabled, and Hawk said no. Might've read that completely wrong. Trying to catch up during my breaks.

[Fro99er]

However, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why a Role Stopper would be odd-night while the other power roles are supposedly even-night.

who ever said the other PRs are even night?

I'll try to find the post on my lunch, but I thought I read Chaos asking Hawk whether he was odd-enabled, and Hawk said no. Might've read that completely wrong. Trying to catch up during my breaks.

That doesn't mean he's even-night

[Cooperative Sheep]

@Frogger - I don't get how you think CO is exactly sorting Wheme. I'd rather lynch CO of that combo if we want a sort, and there doesn't appear to be a sort, and considering the Wheme headache I'm not getting why you're tossing it aside to another scum read of yours. Clarify?

I'd be fine lynching Hawk or Lowell today.

[Fro99er]

I'm so torn

[ECMitchell]

However, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why a Role Stopper would be odd-night while the other power roles are supposedly even-night.

who ever said the other PRs are even night?

I'll try to find the post on my lunch, but I thought I read Chaos asking Hawk whether he was odd-enabled, and Hawk said no. Might've read that completely wrong. Trying to catch up during my breaks.

That doesn't mean he's even-night

You're right—derp. Keep on keeping me grounded, Fro99er. I need you this game apparently.

For the record, I find Alisae's entrance this game rather scummy and all over the place, but for now I'll keep the focus among WhemeStar, Lowell, ChaosOmega, and Hawk—and preferably in that order. Gerryoat "hardclaims town power role," and the same is implicit through Hawk and ChaosOmega's conversations. There is nearly guaranteed to be one scum—possibly two—among those four (excluding Lowell).

Are we saying it's best for other power roles to investigate/shoot WhemeStar tonight? I'm not following the tone of direction right now.

[Hawk]

Question rolestopper is more inclined to be scum based off the number of PR's town has right even if it is Odd/even night?

Because I may not understand my role in conjuction to whemes well as I thought if that's the case in this setup.

Sorry I've been here just trying to process all this information.

[ECMitchell]

Question rolestopper is more inclined to be scum based off the number of PR's town has right even if it is Odd/even night?

Because I may not understand my role in conjuction to whemes well as I thought if that's the case in this setup.

Sorry I've been here just trying to process all this information.

Generally speaking, yes—at least in my experience. With numerous and/or powerful town power roles, role stopper is generally assigned to scum to prevent actions against a scum mate. It generally doesn't make sense to have a role stopper be town-aligned when there are other townies with night actions, since the role stopper taking action night really only decreases odds of town finding out something worthwhile.

I typically apply the same line of thinking to role blockers as well, albeit to a lesser extent.

[Aj The Epic]

Rolestopper Roleblocker and Jailkeeper are the main scum roles for active or preventative actions. It doesn't matter the modification. Sure ninja/Strongman exist but you'll never see someone claim something similar to that anyways.

[Firebringer]

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