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Has the game started? I didnt get a link in the PM to this thread so I'm only slightly lost.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Ah, game did start, got it :p
@work right now so I'll be on to talk in like 4 hours maybe 5.
Quick scim tells me we are doing a gamma wagon. Why is that?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Nah it's town.In post 108, All Alone wrote:
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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ive skimmed the posts, say a quick refresh an wanted to give my thoughts, don't expect much but during my next break I'll take a look.
Don't try to rush me because I couldn't care less how slow I take. I'm a thinker not a fighter“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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I love playing devils advocate, if Ircher is as experienced as he says he is, would it make sense that he would be able to, as scum, come up with a "scum read" on a player instead of just singling you out?In post 193, -Grey- wrote:
Ircher isn't bad. That's why I think he's scum.In post 182, Human Sequencer wrote:Yes Grey, I see your point, but I'm still trying to split the difference between badIrcher and scumIrcher. Leaning towards badIrcher atm.
He has plenty of experience to know that there is no scum motive in my posts. He's just pushing a superficial read to look town.
Remember to fight an argument and the rebuttal of what your argument would be before your opponent has the chance to“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I am late to the party because of who I am as a person, Naomi, regarding my "weak ass defense," don't expect much from a phone post, I'm home now and can actually develop thought so hold your horses till I catch up.
Also PSA: Call me "Gin" and "vote: Gin" if you're gonna do it. It's how I prefer but "TheRealGin" was already taken.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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Whew, caught up. Okay reads and then questions
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RainbowDash town as fuck$Still don't like her because I played a MLP themed game of Mafia and lost it because I sent a mafioso into a vet, ergo allowing an escape from a MyLo and loss of game. UGH
Human Sequencer screams town$mostly gut reaction from reading his posts
Grey leaning town$Very aggressive/slightly cocky.
Two-Face leaning town$Due to his first attack at 43 against Gamma asking why grey scumreading him was a bad thing.
FlubberNugget null$haven't paid much attention too
Alisea null$Haven't looked into deeply
Naomi-Tan null$relaxed when defending and very open play style, not worth a D1 lynch. Will mess up on their own later down the road.
All Alone null$Not much to go off of
Asphodel leaning scum$Opens up with a trust tell? Asphodel for some reason, doesn't want focused attention on Ircher, one that is being scum read. Post 236: questions why people would think Grey is town. It's hard to put into words what irks me about this post but it's like he's trying to push Grey and as scum, he's having a hard time convincing people to lynch a townie.
Gamma scum butt$Most, if not all posts are highly frivolous and are just fluff. Post 119 is using self-meta as a form of defense and I won't read it because that's bullshit. Anyone can copy and paste a personality D1.
Ircher Scum$Oh boy is he a mess. First off he WK's Gamma, in which gamma did nothing productive at that point, so the point in defending him is rather sparse in reasoning. Post 81 talks about win rates. I see it as an excuse to say "hey this is why I'm playing bad." It's not necessary as a townie, you just try your best. Post 90 reinforces the previous point and shows that Ircher is using the fact that Grey made a joke or two, scummy AF. Hits my bullshit meter pretty high. Then in post 165, he votes Grey because apparently Grey is "arguing semantics."
No-Read: Krylea hasn't posted at all?
Questions:
Ircher: Post 168, where the fuck is Gamma scum hunting?
lmao didn't have many questions as I thought I would“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I'm actually going to second this motion and will hop on that Oregon Trail wagon
VOTE: Alisea
P-Edit: I ain't reading shit that's not related to this game. Now you can go ahead and tell me what you're after but you're going to explain that here. I ain't your damn lapdog.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Cool I'm scumread, was waiting for that to happen.In post 336, -Grey- wrote:Gin, you think scum!Ircher would hard defend scum!Gamma at the opening of d1?
Gtfo of here with that noise. Welcome to my scumpile.
Also, I think we can actually come to the logical conclusion that if what Ircher is saying is true, in that he has a high loss rate, would it not be reasonable to seem him commit bad play as scum?
P-Edit: Ircher, why didn't you actually read his ISO before coming to the conclusion he was scumhunting or were you thinking no one would check on that?
P-Edit 2: I've been doing some nice scum hunting here sweetie, work with what ya got.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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@Alisae, haven't checked much but it's more of a placeholder vote.
@Ircher, "looking for certain things" which would be?
BRB, finding some info and reading ISOs
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@Grey, then I guess we'll have to wait and see what he flips when he does.
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@Alisae, I don't feel like fucking voting?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Also, I said it was a blatant sheep vote. What's not to get or are you trying to spin a story I've already explained?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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@Alisae, yeah you're still null to me. Scummy and townish at the same time so I can't make up my mind. Still keeping my vote on ya tho.
@Ircher, so when you WK'd him, you were looking for town posts, where exactly did you find those that got you to that conclusion?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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It's getting close to being out of spite right now.
How many votes are on you?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 355, Ircher wrote:@Gin - Clarify?In post 342, Ircher wrote:@Gin - It was a more reactionary post at the time. I mean, I did check once, but I kinda skimmed through and was looking for certain things.
What were the posts you found town by Gamma?In post 351, Ircher wrote:
It depends. Like, at one point, I was looking for town posts in Gamma's ISO (considering my earlier WK)In post 346, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: @Ircher, "looking for certain things" which would be?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Oh hello, that was a beautiful reads list.In post 359, Ircher wrote:I've already answered that. You can look at my readslist or you can go find my earlier quote when I went through Gamma's ISO looking for town stuff.
Yeah, this is why I don't vote my scum reads as soon as I make a list, it's helpful to actually think.
Hey Alisae? You like the sound of pressuring me to vote my scum reads because you want a mislynch? Is it that or is there a different motive as to why you want me to vote someone besides you so badly?
P-Edit: Then why are you so edgy about a vote or two on you? Stop worrying about yourself, go argue against someone and show how they are scum. I seriously could care less about defending, I'm swayed by offense over defense.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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My logic is that I just got a pen and paper and wrote down posts that caught my eye, I go back and review those posts when I make the reads list and then establish to the class what my thoughts were. They are then discussed and I move from there.
As for voting you, I vote you for 1) A sheep vote, reactionary to see what you do(Freak the fuck out apparently) and 2) If I think someone's scum, I'll let them go on and vote them near the end of the day if need be; I'd much rather spend time focusing on my remaining null reads so I can determine their actual alignment. Not sorry that I'm focusing on figuring people out over getting tunnel vision.
Oh you can attack me and I'm perfectly okay with it, keep me in check so I don't use fucked up logic when I'm reading someone. I'm a chemist, I don't care if I'm wrong, I'd rather be proven wrong and then work from there. It's in my nature lmao“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Expain how this pattern is wishy-washy
1) Declares Sheep vote on Alisae
2) Declares it's a sheep vote and you're null still
3) Continues to say it's a sheep vote and I tell you straight up you're scummy and townish
4) I then come to the conclusion that you overreact to a vote that goes onto you when it's only the 2nd vote, and considering you were null to me, it's worth applying more attention to see what comes out of you, ergo more alignment indicative.
It's pretty fucking clear to see what I did.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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There are two types of votes:
1)Sheep/Band wagon votes. This is where one player votes someone who seems to get a lot of heat on them to blend in or because they feel like following someone they town read to apply it as a pressure vote against the accused to get them talking. That's what I did here, as evidence, even with 2 votes, my sheep vote got you talking and that's what I want to happen.
2) Conviction voting. When I do that kind of vote, I'm going to build a case on a player and they will be 100% without a doubt scum in my eyes and will push their lynch unless they're host confirmed or I'm a PR and got a guilty as charge form of confirming them scum.
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All-Alone, you're gonna have to trust me in a game about mistrust here. That was a forbidden phone post where I wasn't reading the thread, fully because I was at work making a series of linearities and looked at the post by itself. It was only then after fully reading the game from page 1 and taking notes that he's had an overall scummy behaviour posting fluff.
Also, to make sure everything is clear, I also at first thought Ircher was "townish" during my work but then a full read made me believe he was scum. Only then after seeing his reads list, I felt content with leaving him alone because he's backing up what he said with quotes.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Don't argue one post by me, remember our entire argument.In post 372, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: 1)Sheep/Band wagon votes. This is where one player votes someone who seems to get a lot of heat on them to blend in or because they feel like following someone they town read to apply it as a pressure vote against the accused to get them talking.That's what I did here, as evidence, even with 2 votes, my sheep vote got you talking and that's what I want to happen.
You're talking now, I'm extracting info and I'll be able to make a sufficient read when we are done here.
What else you got that you're not clear about?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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That's because the second sentence is in fact irrelevant to the first. It was a game that was held on a different site, and because of that game, I will forever hold a vendetta against My Little Pony, ergo why I dislike RainbowDash.
She's town to me because she wants quality posts, not spam where players, like me who work an 8-5 can keep up with the thread. Spam helps a scum blend in D1 instead of leaving a more noticeable trail, to push for quality over quantity is a town tell for me.
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Okay cool, have fun convincing other people that. You just don't know how to fucking scumhunt.
I VOTE TO GET YOU TO TALK. AFTER YOU TALK, I HAVE INFO TO ANALYZE.
Sweetie it's called a reaction test, it's part of the process and if that's scummy to you, then you're being dense.
Oh and this will really rile up your feathers, but I still haven't come up with a conclusion whether you're townie or scum. How does that make you feel?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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One thing to piss me off real quick is to cherry pick a quote because responding to the whole thing destroys your argument.
Don't try that bullshit on me. I answered why the fuck my actions weren't scum motivated in the same quote.
Fucking read it or actually fight the points I make or give up trying to lynch me with that petty shit.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Analyzing myself?
Here is your argument as to why I'm scum: "I voted without conviction"
My defeat of your argument: Blatant sheep vote meant to get a reaction out of you.
Your rebuttal: I didn't build a case on you.
My retort: It's Day fucking 1, I'm building the case on the foundation of the reactions I'm receiving from the test.
You can kindly fuck off.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 391, Alisae wrote:
Where did I say this exactly?In post 390, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Your rebuttal: I didn't build a case on you.
If you can respectfully show me where you get townie points.In post 369, Alisae wrote:No, I am saying that your vote has no coviction behind it.Atleast I think that's what Wishywashy voting is. Voting without convinction. I am probably very wrong tho.In post 376, Alisae wrote: Yeah...no. You're scum. I'm certain in this now.
You've put no effort into scumhunting currently whatsoever.
You're voting me, and you'd think that because you are voting me you would want to talk to me to see if I'm scum or not but nope, I am completely in control of our dialogue. You have nothing to ask me. And when you asked me "why didn't I go attack someone else?" you figured I wouldn't attack you. You were probably hoping I didn't attack you.
Your voting has no conviction behind it, and it's sheepy and that's bad. I don't think you even understand how bad it is.
Lastly you just offered me IoA. Your post has more information then analysis in it.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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What is scummy about trying to find out your alignment if I'm not sure about you?In post 393, Alisae wrote:Gin, by no conviction I mean you don't feel as if I am scum. You have no strong belief to your vote. I'm null to you. And you could be voting people you think are scum and doing this reaction test on them.
What is the rush in voting people I find people scummy if we have 2 weeks total and it's only been a day?
Why rush a lynch when I could spend most of D1 milking information and reactions on every single one of my null/scum reads (You're not the only one I'm going to be doing this to in case you think I'm tunneling you lol) to come to a solid conclusion as to who I think scum is and vote them as an official lynch?
I could say the same to you, however I'm almost leaning onto a TvT argument. Also I would actually completely agree that sheeping a vote is scum motivated, if it's past Day 2. However, in Day 1, votes aren't super serious until you're turning people into L-3 and L-2, if sheeping at that stage, it's scummy. However, I can not and will not ever see the first couple of votes scummy unless blatant or made by my scum reads.In post 393, Alisae wrote: But you're wasting time on me. I honestly think it's scum motivated.
This got me a little puzzled if you realize Grey voted and I voted you almost right after, the only wagon that was on you was created on the spot. Also if I was sheeping trying to blend in, wouldn't it be smarter to go for someone that already had 3-4 votes on them instead of just 1?In post 393, Alisae wrote: And at the time I'm the easiest wagon to hop on, so you just sheep it to see what happens.
How can you say I followed a band wagon onto you when I was the first sheeper?
Nah I did, you just haven't ever played with me to understand that this is standard procedure for me.In post 393, Alisae wrote: Qutie frankly I don't think you could have predicted me going off on you.
If you're holding me accountable, how about Grey's vote?In post 393, Alisae wrote: I never said the word case. You associated the word case and conviction. Every vote is important when they matter, and I'm holding you accountable to yours.
Not trying to change the topic, I just would like to know your opinion about someone else who has voted you, as well as Gamma, your townread, who voted for you with a blatant sheep vote. What makes me different from the others?
And I never tried to prove you were scum Again, I'm starting to lean TvT argument the way this has proceeded but we aren't finished yet.In post 393, Alisae wrote: I wasn't asking you to prove that I am scum. And I never did. I'm saying is you never strongly believed that I am scum, yet you are voting me for it anyways.
I think overall it's really hard for you to understand what I'm doing until you become an observer. Tomorrow I'll be focusing on another null and will see where that gets me. Consider this a goodnight post because I have to wake up in 7 hours for work.
I will admit I had fun talking to ya“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Read my explanation to All-Alone, I answered this as they were phone posts while at work, not much time to actually develop thought and took posts at face value instead of soaking up the entire thread before making decisions, my fault but all posts after my reads list have been taken into account the whole game.In post 414, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay Gamma and Gin I wanna know what your connection is to each other right now here in the open.
In post 102, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Ah, game did start, got it :p
@work right now so I'll be on to talk in like 4 hours maybe 5.
Quick scim tells me we are doing a gamma wagon. Why is that?In post 114, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Nah it's town.In post 108, All Alone wrote:
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.In post 163, Gamma Emerald wrote:GinNTonic could be a bad townie too.In post 183, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Gamma you okay?
So You enter defending Gamma with rather limp reasoning. Gamma then distances himself from you. Taking the hint you back off and red read him despite spending the majority of the early game being on their side. This says to me there is 2 things going on 1) There is a connection between Gamma and Gin and 2) They don't want Greens to know there is a link going on.In post 333, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Whew, caught up. Okay reads and then questions
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Gamma scum butt$Most, if not all posts are highly frivolous and are just fluff. Post 119 is using self-meta as a form of defense and I won't read it because that's bullshit. Anyone can copy and paste a personality D1.
Given the above quotes as well. the connection Is still strong despite them trying to distance.
One thing I do like that you brought back up is post 183; because while phone posting, I started to get confused on why Gamma would say he was waiting on two inactives and was going to ask why he was acting like a mod instead of playing but he ghosted me.
Quick Question for Ailsae; reason for voting All-Alone because they voted for you?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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So you're saying Ailsae is just a flustered townie, more so than the possibility that she's scum having a hard time coming up with an argument?In post 433, Naomi-Tan wrote:Like Given the last time someone pressured her she contradicted herself in the same post It shows that she is the kinda of player that hears responses and takes them to heart getting emotional swiftly and the more emotional she gets the less logical she becomes.
Need to know for my notes.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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post 450, she's yet to play a game as mafia(only played one completed game) so I'm not letting go of the possibility of noob!scum moves being a thing and just dismissing them.
Overall tho, my gut does lean TvT.
post 451, could you elaborate?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Grey, I'm confused in your logic. How can I be a null read if I was fighting Alisae who you think is scum, you can't tell me that was scum theatre, so I'm not seeing how you seeing her as scum trying to lynch me equates to me not being town if you actually logically think about it.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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So what was the problem with that post?In post 487, Human Sequencer wrote:Yeah, Gin is 100% bad townie.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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The fuck?
I want to at least improve so I can give better contributions. Don't just pass me off as the drunk townie, if you're town as well, then you'd want to work with me.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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If its in the guidelines of normal and wasn't stated in the OP then its evidently not in the game. That's a long ass stretch saying its a slip.
I'm not fighting word choice here, tell me the logic in why a townie would think there is day chat?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I said I blatantly sheep voted her to get a reaction, it worked nonetheless but I'm scum for reaction testing on D1 lolIn post 573, Flubbernugget wrote:
Dude I miss the evidence for this?In post 366, Alisae wrote:Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.
Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
In the heat of the moment, it felt like a TvT but I haven't been at home to the point where I can actually take notes on it.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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So, me voting was somethin you've never seen so you thought it was scummy?In post 722, Alisae wrote:
To add to this, the situation never really happened so I couldn't find anyone sus for it.In post 721, Alisae wrote:
Besides in one of my current games, no.In post 719, Asphodel wrote:Q2: Basically I'm asking if there are any other games in which you had become suspicious of someone for voting without conviction.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Who here thought there was actually a day chat? I never once thought there was and I don't see how anyone here could have as well given the information in the OP.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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The idea came to me to do a mini VA on Grey and report what I see.
RVS: Sheepvote, beginning of the game, you can't expect much from anything really.
This is still early in the game but it starts a trend I've been following with his voting pattern. Ircher saying he has a low win rate and wanting him lynched sounds like he's pushing for a policy lynch and policy lynches are meant for townies, so to push for one instead of ignoring said townie raises a yellow flag.In post 84, -Grey- wrote:
VOTE: IrcherIn post 81, Ircher wrote:Anyway, would like to point everyone to my wiki page with an ~30% or so win rate.
Already making excuses for his poor decisions.
This vote was just a sheep vote, but what I find suspicious about it is that it only took him 15 minutes and one post from HS to say, "I'll go switch my vote because no reason." If Grey actually wanted to pursue a scum read on Ircher, he would have kept his vote on Ircher and pushed him. This vote shows he doesn't actually care who is voted, he just wants someone lynched in general and that's a scum mindset.In post 101, -Grey- wrote:
Request granted.In post 98, Human Sequencer wrote:I'm not worried about a flash lynch.
I'm just a lot more interested in what Ircher has to say about a Gamma wagon than I am with the players reversed.
VOTE: Gamma
1:22 to 2:39, just a little over an hour and a 40ish posts on the "gamma wagon." That's not "long enough," that's barely any time at all honestly. It didn't allow an actual discussion to form on Gamma. I see the motive as preventing town from actually trying to solve players by forcing the wheel around in circles.
It's getting obvious the trend we see in Grey's vote patterns, he's following the wagons onto anyone that has small case being built onto them. He doesn't actually hold opinions of his own and, to funnily enough quote Alisae, is voting without conviction. The difference here is that he does this too many times for it to be a reaction test, he just fence sits and hops onto any opportunity to mislynch that he can get.
This is actually hindsight talking but the personality traits and voting patterns I see with Alisae is that 1) She is extra careful with her vote and uses it as if it's a loaded gun instead of a tool in the fashion that say, I would use it in; and 2) She strongly believes in having a case built up before voting someone, ergo all that and you get an understandable reason that Alisae simply won't vote TF because instead, she is taking the time to figure out all the possibilities.In post 303, -Grey- wrote:
What's with the lynchbait paranoia?In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
It's like you're afraid of getting on the wrong wagon.
VOTE: Alisae
What I don't like about the vote is that i'm reading it as Grey is trying to rush Alisae into voting and get her flustered/manipulate her to vote anyone or just cause chaos instead of game solving.
This is arguing semantics and honestly it's an opportunistic vote. What Grey doesn't do here is look at Naomi at a whole, doesn't look at any possible scum motives or any of that to back up a possible lead. He just found something small he can pick up on and try to build a case but it's a hallow case at best because it's not actually a slip.In post 489, -Grey- wrote:
"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.In post 488, Naomi-Tan wrote:
its not in the rules so Im assuming.In post 483, -Grey- wrote:
How do you know this?In post 482, Naomi-Tan wrote:given that Reds have no day talk
VOTE: Naomi
You slipped hard.
I'm trying to dissect this post and what it's saying:In post 588, -Grey- wrote:So, Gamma is voting me for voting Naomi over a slip, but completely ignoring 2F who is not only sheeping my push but advancing with it after Gamma stated in thread that he doesn't believe it's a slip.
Town Gamma would have picked up on 2F continuing to push what he considers a non-slip and voted him.
Possible Gamma/2F team. (I read 2F as possible scum for other reasons)
VOTE: Gamma
He says Gamma votes him because Gamma believes it's a non-slip but in reality, he should be voting Gamma should vote TF because TF agreed.
My interpretation is that Grey isn't actually fighting Gamma's response to him, he's attacking the player and not the argument which I find to be a scum tell. Another factor is that Grey is trying to push the blame for the slip onto TF and have Gamma focus on someone else that's not him but it backfired.
The last vote is simple, he is caught with his pants down so he'll continue to push this "scum slip" instead of actually providing a case onto how Naomi is actually scum. I don't see any actual work by Grey trying to actually determine if a player is scum, I'm seeing him go after each opportunity and voting based on the trends on who is wagonable at the time.In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
I'm happy returning to my previous vote.
VOTE: Naomi
I'd vote Grey but I'm going to sleep in an an hour or two so it'd be a waste but expect it when I wake up.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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VOTE: Grey That's L-2
I'll quit the not voting at night thing, realizing that it screws with VCAs near end game“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 40, that was a continuation of a joke that you started with Gamma, what ran through your mind to leave that "crumb"“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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UNVOTE:
You may be lying but I see no reason to lynch a possible lie if you can fall on your own actions.
If you fake any guilty results on a townie, then we will know you're scum and we got the next days lynch being you.
If you fake any town reads on a scum, well it creates WIFOM about the players alignment but I'm doubting you'd risk connecting yourself to your scum team via night action like that.
If you are cop, and get a guilty then we know how that battle proceeds when its TvS.
If you are cop, and get a townie, then we know a townie.
The only possibility that is bad with keeping you alive is the WIFOMy fake town reads you could produce but that can be expected with any cop.
I see no further reason to push a lynch on you but I'll be straight up, I won't have your trust till D2.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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It may be BS but will he not fall on his own sword D2? IMO he's a sack of potatoes compared to figuring out other people now.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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RainbowDash, if you find the claim to be false, ergo he is scum, who would you connect Grey to with his two partners?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Explain my dear Human, don't just say you're okay with a lynch but back it up with reasoning lolIn post 813, Human Sequencer wrote:Gin is also reading pretty bad.
I wouldn't mind a Gin or Asphodel lynch at the moment.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Is this all on the wiki with the discussion of enablers and ascetics because this site is using stuff I've never seen before I'll be straight up.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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So Ascetic is when a player can only be killed, they can not be invested or healed.
An enabler is when if the Enabler dies, the person who shared the enabled ability loses the PR status.
So if I have this correct, Gamma saying he's an Ascetic enabler means that if he is dead, then the ascetic power roles lose their "ascetic" status and can then be invested/healed/roleblocked.
Correct or am I not understanding the roles?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I've never played with these roles before but a back up enabler sounds like a really big stretch“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 814, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Explain my dear Human, don't just say you're okay with a lynch but back it up with reasoning lolIn post 813, Human Sequencer wrote:Gin is also reading pretty bad.
I wouldn't mind a Gin or Asphodel lynch at the moment.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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HS, you're still avoiding the question at hand, why are you completely okay with lynching me? What are your reasons for me being scummy?
I don't care what you think I am when it comes to behaviour, I only care about what you think I've done that's been scummy and the scum motives behind it.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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You said I was scummy when making that post, regardless of finding me new, you still held those thoughts. What. the fuck. were those thoughts? I don't believe for a second you had actual reasons but feeling the waters out to see what you can get away with.
I'm not answering any of your other questions until you actually fucking tell me what I did that you found scummy. REGARDLESS, of being new.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Twas a scum read because I didn't get pissed off...In post 855, Human Sequencer wrote:Read post 496 again and I think you'll ascertain a better understanding of why I scumread you to begin with. My thoughts, read and actions are clearly laid out in that post.
Are you an alt? Do you have game history with any of the other players in this game?
Okay realize the way my emotions work, is that when I'm away from game, I get a crazy theory that pops in my head and I'll straight away post it making my posting sporadic. The most amount of time, I'm reading and once a player sticks out of the normal swing of the game, I'll think to myself, lets analyze this player(an example would be deducing the reasons Grey voted for the people he did) and see what I come up with, if I'm at a road block with it, I'll ask questions until my theory is either destroyed or found more solid ground. When it comes to anger, I'd have to say that happnes only when something is blatantly obvious and intuitive and no one or one person doesn't get it; or hits one of my pet peeves like that cheery picking an argument shit.
Basically to sum that all up for tl;dr. My emotions have hella mood swings and they're NAI.
To answer your question, the only alt I have is a hydra and played one game in it, linking it below. Also because I like to brag, our whole scum team was nommed for the Don Corleone for our performance. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69088
When reading the hungergames, I'm "Blawb" and end all things with /Gin. I eventually take over Blawb completely as my teammates flaked so D2, every post is me and only me. I don't doubt this is gonna throw out some suspicion on me but I'm curious to see who is going to use past experience as a basis for argument to lynch a player over actually analyzing the game at play.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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A red flip will be V interesting. I'm confused as to why, as town, you'd be saying that or really anything regarding how you play as red?In post 46, Asphodel wrote: Self-meta-ing a little bit from my games on the other site,I very rarely, if ever try to push for my partners to be lynched as scum.That's for a few reasons. It was a pretty tight-knit group over there, and there was no cardflip in many of the games. Like, over a span of 20 or so scum games, I remember the single time I voted for a scum partner, and even that doesn't really count because my partner made a really terrible counterclaim. That's not to say I never scumread my partners, I just avoided seriously putting my vote on them because 48 hours is not a very long time.
I like the conclusion that because there is no day chat, this is his form of telling his partners he won't be pushing them if they get sus.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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If an ascetic claims, then that means they're a power role. If you're scum and a town ascetic claims, you just directed the scums kill to our power roles.
So what again is the benefit of outing a power role?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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This. This is exactly why I think focusing on Greys alignment and trying to lynch him is silly. He falls on his own sword if he is lyingIn post 899, -Grey- wrote:
All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.In post 897, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.
That's brilliant.
No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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