Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[Ircher]

Why not use =/=?

Well that changed my opinion on one post

Cuz != is one less char and I'm used to it more.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I do think I should update my reads as I haven 't done so yet, and its been 10+ or so pages since then. So, I'll do that first.

Pedit: Bad assumption on my part.

I actually can't wait to see it, I got some ideas brainstorming right now and I can think about it over dinner tonight.

Ircher, if you could hook me up with that reads list in like, the next 20 minutes that'd be great

It takes a long while to go through the ISOs.

Unlike TwoFace over here, a GOOD readslist WITH reasons takes a lot of time to make.

It takes 4+ hours to make a reads list?

Spoiler: Reads - Day 1 #1

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
1. Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
2. All Alone (90%) - 70 was an ok question. I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the perspective but the follow up in 74 was well-justified. I concur with the justification and analysis in 108, but even with that, I don't support the wagon. 195 was a pretty good case imo that I am considering joining. (But right now, I'm hanging on to my Grey scumread and will let myself determine my read there).

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
3. Gamma (70%) - 39 and 42 read as town to me and you cannot argue otherwise as it is MY opinion. 79 is a bit beyond paranoia and somewhat accusatory imo. 93 is odd, but not necessarily telling.
4. Human Sequencer (68%) - 13 is a good start to the ISO. Not following the Gamma read in 73. Once more, 139 reads neitral -- unlike Asphodel's opinion, there are many factors to a read and some reasons are based on gut trends versus specific evidence. (There's general evidence, but the trend and gut read matters more; it's hard to tell from a single post). 147 reads as genuine confusion. 156 pings a bit since there was a Gamma wagon that I quite adamantly expressed my opinion on.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
5. Naomi-Tan (+25%) - 16 felt genuine as did the subsequent posts. 27 is reasonable too -- not overly defensive. The ISO lacks enough content for me to get a full read here. (Granted, it's one of the longer ISOs though)
6. Flubbernugget (+1%) - Pretty much nothing useful; slight gut read but meh.
7. TheRealGin-N-Tonic (-12%) - 114 is meh. 196 is very unclear and almost sounds like fluff tbh. Not enough content for a conclusive read.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
8. Alisae (+50%) - 146 was a good question, even if literally, it seems like a useless question. Don't like 184 cuz it's a loaded question; 187 was better after I asked for it to be unbiased.
9. TwoFace (-40%) - 43 feels off; it just does. 226 is pretty poor justification for a vote and a bad response to All Alone's question (even if I somewhat agree with what was stated). 280 is just buzzwords with no hard evidence.
10. Asphodel (-50%) - There are good and bad things about 46. Obviouslu, the bad thing about it is the entire intro and how it is focused on Asphodel being town; however, I know I have done similar things (though not nearly as in-depth) as town before multiple times, so that point is kinda moot. The actual content aside from the intro is acceptable imo. 131's logic reads as somewhat reachy (as in, it fits, but it feels overemphasized and ignorant of the larger picture) but that may be due to bias. 133 is off, but I won't judge until post-flip from Flubber or Asp. 166 is basically discrediting a read just because with littke to no explanation as to why you don't like it. 177 fails to consider that D1 has lasted for less than 24 hours, so we're still extremely early in the game. 203 - I disagree, You cannot discredit a read just because you think differently; it's

their

read.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
11. Grey (-65%) - 12 feels unnecessary and superflous imo. 38 feels weird (later states it was humor, okay, I can see that....). His "continuance" of his joke in 40 seems more serious than a joke. (Well actually tbh, 38 is the more serious post, but it's the need to further the joke that I find unnecessary and as an actual serious remark). Never really supports his assertion in 84 that I'm undermining the town to keep them from cooperating. 84's content would be fine if it was less accusatory. Posts 151, 155, 162, 164 are deliberate attempts to evade a legitimate point against him by on purposely interpreting things literally. 175 is a valid response to the question, but it took too long to get an answer there. 193 is null, but I would note that experience != skill. 198 was also a fairly decent post. Starting to have my doubts here, but we'll wait and see.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Note that I started this around 4:00 or so, so some of these may be outdated a little bit.

So for you it does, either way I'd expect the post from you rather soon.

I'm +1ing what TF said about you going "look I'm town" with the posts. Saying how long it took you is unnecessary and it's trying to capitalize "how townie" a reads list is and when you make one.

[All Alone]

I honestly don't get a sense of disingenuity from Ircher's ISO

Asphodel is still a much better lynch

[TwoFace]

Another question ircher. I just looked through a couple of games and I don't see you making list reads. Why this game is different?

[Rainbowdash]

@Grey - Last chance to add anything else to your claim that you may have been missing.

Im still convinced grey is scum and he is caught for both game actions he hasn't realized yet and something else that im not going to say until he responds to this just incase he decided to leave out something critical in his claim because there is some stuff that doesn't add up.

[krylea]

Why not use =/=?

Well that changed my opinion on one post

!= is what I'm used to seeing most often outside of this site, actually.

same tbh

I honestly don't get a sense of disingenuity from Ircher's ISO

Asphodel is still a much better lynch

HAH. Are you joking? Read the last couple of pages again. Almost every post in the last few pages of Ircher's has REEKED of scum. The fake-townie posting/IIoA that we have discussed, the carefully avoiding actually answering any questions, the poorly justified sheeping of the Aspho wagon, the defensive voting onto 2F and the whole "confbias or scum" thing. There's so friggin much to choose from.

[Alisae]

Krylea, am I the only person who is All Alone in that they think that All Alone is scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Ircher

Don't forget the part where he emphasizes he'll make a reads list cuz he hasn't done one in 10 pages. It's fishing for town cred.

Also no reads list takes 5 fucking hours unless that's time spent trying to frame townies and he's having difficulty in doing so.

[Ircher]

Another question ircher. I just looked through a couple of games and I don't see you making list reads. Why this game is different?

Different strategy. Generally, I just do the notes in a spoiler then make the readslist as a summary.

Pedit: I got 4 people to go. There's been 750 posts since my last one so.....

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Get the fuck out of here.

[krylea]

Krylea, am I the only person who is All Alone in that they think that All Alone is scum?

I mean, kinda, yeah I'm pretty null on AA right now, don't have much to go on. And right now I'm way more interested in Ircher.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm really only interested in {Ircher, Asphodel or Grey(if Rainbow is convincing)} lynch today.

Ircher because I see a lot of scum motives in his actions and I'm getting the feel that his reads lists are now for town cred.
Asphodel due to what I believe is him trying to communicate with his scum mates in the beginning of the game but honestly haven't delved deep into him.
Grey if his claim is proven wrong.

[krylea]

I'm really only interested in {Ircher, Asphodel or Grey(if Rainbow is convincing)} lynch today.

Ircher because I see a lot of scum motives in his actions and I'm getting the feel that his reads lists are now for town cred.
Asphodel due to what I believe is him trying to communicate with his scum mates in the beginning of the game but honestly haven't delved deep into him.
Grey if his claim is proven wrong.

Same, but it's only Ircher or Grey for me (and Grey only if RD has something reeeally good to go on).

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali your avvie is an eyesore
I liked the old one

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.

@Ircher

[Alisae]

Aw I liked my new one tho...
Fine I'll change it back.

[krylea]

Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.

@Ircher

Gamma I think we've pretty much established he's scum at this point.

[krylea]

And Ali, both avatars were good, use the one you like better.

[Ircher]

I dare you to run me up to L-1. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm already L-2 anyway so.....

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.

@Ircher

To elaborate: why would I try to find town using my role if I was scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I dare you to run me up to L-1. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm already L-2 anyway so.....

I want you dead so your approval is welcome

[krylea]

I dare you to run me up to L-1. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm already L-2 anyway so.....

What on earth is wrong with putting someone who is acting scummy as fuck at L-1?

[krylea]

People have this bizarre hesitance to put people at L-1. I have never understood it. If you think someone is scum then friggin vote them (with the exception of if they are already at L-1 obviously).

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like L-2 because it prevents accidental quickhammers. I've seen it before so it's understandable. The only other scenario where I see it justified is in MyLo/LyLo where L-1 could lead to a scum quick hammer.

[krylea]

Oh LyLo/MyLo is different obviously.

People talk all the time about quickhammers/derphammers, but they really don't seem that common. The only times I've seen them in all the games I've read through on this site have been scum faking an accidental hammer. Like, unless you know there's a VI in the game, I would assume that noone is going to be THAT stupid.

Maybe its just because I'm relatively new though, I guess maybe they could happen more often than I realize.