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VOTE: Misa
Don't like how the vote hop went down. Not only did Misa acquiesce very quickly, there was also not even an apparent reason to switch. Read like 'Someone said new vote not scummy? Switch to old vote!' when old vote also wasn't scummy.
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EBWOP. Self-reminder to take advantage of Preview feature.In post 42, MortFeld wrote:VOTE: Misa
Don't like how the vote hop went down. Not only did Misa acquiesce very quickly, there was also not even an apparent reason to switch. Read like 'Someone said new vote not scummy? Switch to old vote!' when old vote also wasn't scummy.
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Mini 1833 I assume, yeah I read that whole mess.In post 19, Human Sequencer wrote: @mortfeld, were you following the game with almost one forth of the playerlist here?-
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Why does this make her scum? i.e. why would scum be more likely to do this than town?In post 56, Creeps20 wrote:MortFeld wrote: Anyways I feel like misatange is scum by ignoring thinkbig who voted drone and voted for someone else who did essentially the same.
VOTE: Misatange
I need a Creeps translator again.In post 56, Creeps20 wrote:
I too much hands are pointed everywhere.MortFeld wrote:Thanks. Agree, was very awkward.
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Why didn't you answer this Misa? I still don't know why you switched to Naomi from Copper.In post 15, MortFeld wrote:Hold on. You voted Naomi basically randomly. Then you switched to Copper for something you thought was slightly scummy. I assume you now believe it's NAI, otherwise you wouldn't switch your vote. If neither Naomi nor Copper have done anything alignment indicative, why switch back to Naomi?
Why would scum!Misa, knowing that her scum buddy voted an unconfirmed, cast suspicion on someone else who did the same?In post 70, Creeps20 wrote:
"Too much fingers to point. Not enough answers"In post 60, MortFeld wrote:
Why does this make her scum? i.e. why would scum be more likely to do this than town?In post 56, Creeps20 wrote:MortFeld wrote: Anyways I feel like misatange is scum by ignoring thinkbig who voted drone and voted for someone else who did essentially the same.
VOTE: Misatange
I need a Creeps translator again.In post 56, Creeps20 wrote:
I too much hands are pointed everywhere.MortFeld wrote:Thanks. Agree, was very awkward.
Creeps, do you have a particular reason you didn't participate in RVS?
And I am suggesting maf brothers.
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Misa - It's not a great answer (voting someone because they are confirmed but haven't posted??) but I don't see any point in pressing it.
My best effort at Creeps translation: RVS is pointless. Even in this game, simply ignoring TB made people suspicious of Misa.In post 74, Creeps20 wrote:In all honesty I ignore threads when they are in RvS. And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.
I'm confused because you said that you think TB and Misa might be scum buddies, meaning that RVS was useful. Also I don't see how this answers "Why would scum!Misa, knowing that her scum buddy voted an unconfirmed, cast suspicion on someone else who did the same?" I feel like you haven't explained your Misa vote logically.
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Creeps, what about the other two parts of my post? Those being:
Can you explain your idea of TB + Misa scumbuddies, specifically with regard to my question? and
Can you translate what you meant by 'And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.'
UNVOTE: Misa
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I don't see how reading Naomi will be difficult. The only actual oddities she's described in her own play are - tendency toward defensiveness regardless of alignment, and replacement of scum/town with red/green. How does that render her unreadable?
Personally I'm null on her right now but that's because of a lack of content, not because of her oddities. Saying she'll be difficult to read looks like a pre-excuse.
Referring to Misa. Your logic is bad and you are also scummy.In post 99, Creeps20 wrote:
Referring to me or you?In post 85, MortFeld wrote:Creeps, what about the other two parts of my post? Those being:
Can you explain your idea of TB + Misa scumbuddies, specifically with regard to my question? and
Can you translate what you meant by 'And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.'
UNVOTE: Misa
VOTE: Creeps
Bad logic is not necessarily scummy.
The WIFOM is that scum wouldn't be voting him as that would give him away. But scum could take advantage of that. But scum might think town suspects that so won't do it.In post 93, MortFeld wrote:It's not WIFOM. You voted Misa for a reason and I'm asking you to explain the reason.
I disagree that there is much WIFOM. I think scum are very unlikely, seeing their scum buddy do something, to call that exact thing scummy. Even if it is WIFOM, you are still voting based on one side of the WIFOM. It's a bad vote with your reasons.-
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Why, and how is this shaking things up?In post 112, ThinkBig wrote:I have a major FOS on Creeps and also on Misa. However, I don't want to put creeps at L-1, especially since Drone has yet to confirm his role.
Let's shake things up a bit...
VOTE: Misa
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Don't feel like answering this.In post 180, ThinkBig wrote: Why did you change your vote from creeps to copper?-
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And as I said, this is not a reason to vote someone. Why not put Creeps at L-1 to see what Copper does?In post 181, ThinkBig wrote:My other reason for voting Misa over creeps was so he wouldn't be at L-2 and L-1 so early in the DP.
I already did. Partially. But what I said is good enough.In post 183, ThinkBig wrote:
Why not?In post 182, MortFeld wrote:
Don't feel like answering this.In post 180, ThinkBig wrote: Why did you change your vote from creeps to copper?-
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Because TB is lazy and I don't particularly feel like indulging him.In post 186, Human Sequencer wrote:Why didn't you say that in post 182?
You kidding me? It's the one where I voted Copper. 179In post 187, ThinkBig wrote: Reference post?
So let me get this Misa thing straight. You found Creeps most suspicious and Misa second most. Creeps had a ton of pressure - any more would be L-1 which you find terrifying for a reason. So you decided to vote Misa.
Just pings off to me. Finding L-1 scary is NAI, I think my off feeling has to do with your suspicions themselves, which are the suspicions someone would get if they skimmed the thread and determined who everyone else was suspicious of. Your reasons for SRing Misa are also not original. I didn't ask about about your Creeps SR because there's a litany of bad posts there.-
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Ongoing games yada yada but the answer is no.In post 190, TwoFace wrote:
Are you normally this cautious?In post 187, ThinkBig wrote:As I said, I felt it was too early in the DP. I'd hate for scum, or someone to come in and quick-hammer - whether on purpose or by mistake-
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Frustration with his play. It was a bad call to do so.In post 192, TwoFace wrote:Why are you answering for him?-
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Sure, I'll explain this. Copper made a statement that essentially said: I am voting someone I think is lynchbait (therefore town) and I will unvote them if they get to L-1. So he's not voting a SR and he's not voting for pressure. It's a parked pointless vote - by his own reasoning - and I think that behavior is more likely to come from scum than town.In post 197, Creeps20 wrote:
VOTE: MortFieldIn post 179, MortFeld wrote:ThinkBig, why are you voting for Misa? I asked you this way before, please answer.
UNVOTE: Creeps
VOTE: Copper
You're voting Creeps but you think Creeps is lynchbaity and will unvote if Creeps gets to L-1? How is your vote even accomplishing anything then?
I strongly despise this statement. You are complaining about someone voting me and be willing to unvote. Care to explain?
Yes I know this is essentially OMGUS but I really need something to do. I bet I will get hammered of this statement but if I flip green go for this guy please. If red then ignore this statement and ignore this vote and post.
Is there any other reason you SR me?
Also why would you even say 'if I flip red?' From your perspective that should be impossible.-
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Very dramatic, Creeps.
Can you answer my question:
In case you're actually interested in convincing people I'm scum.In post 198, MortFeld wrote: Is there any other reason you SR me?
108In post 200, TwoFace wrote:If copper actually said that, that's a good point out by mort. I don't remember seeing it though.-
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Ok. I disagree, him looking at what happens if he flips town is NAI, especially when you look at his reasoning. Him looking at what happens if he flips scum might be a scumtell. But your explanation makes sense for why you'd change the read.In post 209, ThinkBig wrote:
I moved creeps from scum read to null/very slight FOS. My reasoning is when he voted for you and said that if he flips green, go after you; if he flips red, ignore this. In the games I've red and been in off site, I've only seen town players do that.In post 208, MortFeld wrote:What changed between when you scumread Creeps and now?
Asking questions isn't scummy tunneling isn't scummy and I'm not tunneling. You're looking for something to do - what do you think about TB?In post 210, Creeps20 wrote:
Simple. You asked a lot of questions to me. And I am pretty sure that is tunnelingIn post 201, MortFeld wrote:Very dramatic, Creeps.
Can you answer my question:
In case you're actually interested in convincing people I'm scum.In post 198, MortFeld wrote: Is there any other reason you SR me?-
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Scumtell?In post 209, ThinkBig wrote: In the games I'veredand been in off site, I've only seen town players do that.
Joking. Just thought that was funny.-
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By the same token, it's easy for scum to pressure weak players and jump on their responses as scummy. I'm not convinced.In post 234, copper223 wrote: There is a qualitative difference between the kind of scummy things you see from town and scum, because scum has hidden knowledge and the more they are nervous and the more content you make them produce the more it's likely part of that knowledge is going to seep into their posting, pretty much regardless of their play-style.-
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In 198 I said that you were voting someone you thought was town, and that you were planning on unvoting if Creeps got to L-1. This gave me the overall impression that your vote served no purpose. I still believe this - you can contest the factual accuracy but not accuse me of coming up with new avenues of attack in posts like 230 which support that. Besides, I even stated in 185 that my vote on you wasn't just because of that one post.
Look at your own ISO. Before I voted you, what had you done other than defend Misa and give iioa? And so far all I'm getting from your response to the pressure is an advanced OMGUS.
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EBWOPIn post 242, MortFeld wrote:In 198 I said that you were voting someone you thought was town, and that you were planning on unvoting if Creeps got to L-1. This gave me the overall impression that your vote served no purpose. I still believe this - you can contest the factual accuracy but not accuse me of coming up with new avenues of attack in posts like 230 which support that. Besides, I even stated in 185 that my vote on you wasn't just because of that one post.
Look at your own ISO. Before I voted you, what had you done other than defend Misa and give iioa? And so far all I'm getting from your response to the pressure is an advanced OMGUS.-
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I didn't imply you did?In post 252, copper223 wrote:
Also why would I know all of this, I have no prior history with Creeps.In post 248, MortFeld wrote:235 was meant to show that whether or not scum lynchbait's reaction to pressure is qualitatively different than town lynchbait's, from my perspective Creeps' reaction could be town and you could have been pressuring him knowing he'd react scummily to jump on it.-
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K when I get off work I'll lay out the reasons and your responses to figure out if the case is actually crap. My intuition is that this is TvT but there might still be something here.
I also don't see how you think I'm more likely scum than TB whose play is wildly inconsistent and who didn't even justify his vote on you. Makes no sense.
Why so combative?In post 256, copper223 wrote:
Yes you did, how am I supposed to know he will react in a scummy way because he is lynchbait if I don't know the guy.In post 253, MortFeld wrote:I didn't imply you did?
p-edit: I see you realize you are full of shit as well.
You're classifying him as lynchbait, which means you think he acts scummy regardless of his alignment. You don't need to meta him to assume he'll react scummily to pressure.-
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What I'm seeing is someone who gets voted and calls everyone voting him bad. As I said, I'm still just seeing advanced OMGUS.In post 262, copper223 wrote:
If you happen to be town you definitely are and that is not an insult, it's a statement of what I believe about your level of play, take some of your own medicine.In post 259, TwoFace wrote:Don't insult me please. I'm not a vi and don't appreciate you accusing me of being one.-
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