In post 643, Fire Assassin wrote:Town: Iron, Grey, Nero,
Lean Town: Alpaca
Null: LmK, Penguin,
Thor665
, malpascp
Scum lean:
You [Karnos]
, Lowell
Scum:
Saru
, arundy
Could you explain how these three reads interact?
In post 662, Saru wrote:I'm almost 100% on Thor being scum here. His push on Karnos is all kinds of bad, and I don't see how he doesn't see it.
Well, you said I was utterly copying you, so this already feels awkward - but what is bad about it?
I see you citing you were emotional, but I'll note that a lot of your emotional gak I expressly didn't cite as scummy.
What I cited as scummy, is scummy. How is it not?
Then...don't?
In post 675, Saru wrote:Also, just noticed: Thor said in
387 that the argument between Karnos and I was essentially white noise, so then why is Thor contributing to that white noise immediately afterwards? It doesn't add up.
Read that post more closely, bucko.
You'll note that I ask you to drop your emotionally charged things and *focus on what Karnos is doing that is actually scummy*.
In other words, I was saying calm down, drop the noise, and focus on the good stuff.
Yeah, how hypocritical of me to then attack Karnos afterwards...
In post 551, GreyICE wrote:@Thor: your wagon consists of you yelling at Karnos over meaningless crap until he inevitably contradicts himself and then calling him a hypocrite. Wow, you can out-debate Karnos. That's very meaningful.
Your timeline is off there - He contradicted himself prior to me engaging him in a debate.
What was meaningless that I attacked hi/yelled at him over?
In post 551, GreyICE wrote:Why would I sheep your vote, especially when you stole all your arguments from Saru~
Just like with Saru - I would happily ask you to back up this claim.
It's not true.
If one/both of you would promise to sheep me - I'd happily disprove it for you.
The scumminess is his vote - he doesn't actually claim to scumread my slot, yet when questioned on an opportunistic vote move outs a town read (an action he describes as anti-town) to justify his actions. So he's opportunistic, and playing how he claims bad town play to justify the opportunism - and his defense for this is that revealing town reads is now only bad in his theory of play if you reveal "all" of yourtown reads - yet if you read why he says doing this is bad, it's blatantly obvious that has nothing to do with why he thinks the play is bad -which makes it a lie, which makes his vote opportunistic scum pushing an easy slot.
How do you see none of that as as scummy?
In post 555, karnos wrote:
I wouldn't expect anyalignment!Thor to be convinced by anything I post, so this isn't shocking.
Fixed.
Basically you're complaining that I disagree while not addressing my disagreements.
In post 565, ironstove wrote:{Thor, Saru, Nero} Are the scum, but please lynch Thor first, his flip is the basis for where I am drawing the majority of my associations.
So basically I'm scum because (?) and two people I have indicated are town are scum because I indicated they are town.
Also I'm only talking about Karnos - but you're able to associate me with other players, including Nero who isn't even in the Karnos discussion.
I'm missing something here, right? What is it?