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If I wanted to do that I would have stuck with teaching.In post 164, MariaR wrote:Care to share with the class friend~-
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Not really. Have you ever actually drawn scum?In post 168, MariaR wrote:If I told you I haven't lost as scum yet would that make you worried?-
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What do you think of the reads I have shared?In post 170, Hoopla wrote:As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.
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4 times.In post 172, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Not really. Have you ever actually drawn scum?In post 168, MariaR wrote:If I told you I haven't lost as scum yet would that make you worried?
That's actually quite impressive. Also, you've just raised bar needed to get a townread from me. Congrats.MariaR wrote:Maybe a 5th~-
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HooplaIn post 177, Hoopla wrote:
I'll get back to you when you declare some reads punctuated with something other than variations ofIn post 175, VictorDeAngelo wrote:What do you think of the reads I have shared?"...is a good vote".would also be a good voteis now a lean scum read.-
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Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.In post 186, TwoFace wrote:
Why would hoopla be a lean scum when what she said is accurate? You haven't really given reads. You claim to have 2 town reads but won't share those and you said 2 people are good votes.In post 179, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
HooplaIn post 177, Hoopla wrote:
I'll get back to you when you declare some reads punctuated with something other than variations ofIn post 175, VictorDeAngelo wrote:What do you think of the reads I have shared?"...is a good vote".would also be a good voteis now a lean scum read.
I'm not buying it.CloudKicker wrote:LOL woops btw i just townsliped that i cannot be mafia with i am innocent or i am a pro at forum mafia in my first game
VOTE: Cloudkicker-
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Even if we will accept that neither you nor Hoopla is capable of working that I might just find the people I'm willing to vote scummy, then at a bear minimum I'd still expect a town player to be at least somewhat interested in why I'm willing to vote a player.In post 194, TwoFace wrote:
Nah not buying it.In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.
You claimed you gave reads which you didn't. You asked hoopla's opinion on your reads.
Hoopla's response while humorous, was appropriate because you didn't give any
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Your votes were:In post 198, TwoFace wrote:Case in point. I've voted 2 people this game without any reason. Why didn't you ask me why?
If I use your own logic I could assume you aren't doing what you think a townie should do
1) rvs
2) sheeping onto a wagon to get the day going
I didn't ask because I didn't any reason to expect a useful answer.
However, I notice you haven't been voting anyone since 107, why not?-
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That makes no sense.In post 201, TwoFace wrote:
Because you just told me you did.In post 200, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Also, Hoopla wasn't the only player not to ask me about my votes. Why do you think I singled her out instead of other people?
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Btw my first vote wasn't rvs because I coin flipped and it was tails which meant no rvsIn post 199, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Your votes were:In post 198, TwoFace wrote:Case in point. I've voted 2 people this game without any reason. Why didn't you ask me why?
If I use your own logic I could assume you aren't doing what you think a townie should do
1) rvs
2) sheeping onto a wagon to get the day going
I didn't ask because I didn't any reason to expect a useful answer.
However, I notice you haven't been voting anyone since 107, why not?Meh, early vote is early. The first vote in the game is nearly never for a good reason and I'm not going to spend time worrying about your reasons.
Whatdoesworry me is you didn't answer the bolded question. Tut, tut, tut.
If it makes you feel better I'm not accusing you of being scum with iaminnocent. I am simply accusing you of being scum desperate to look townie.In post 205, CloudKicker wrote: 2.hey victor, congratz on not buying a literal townslip, how townie you are to discredit exactly a town calling a non-team slip on him self with a random dude. i will hardfos anyone who believe i am mafia with iaminnocent ->I dont care if you disagree, its exactly what happened-
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No, I mean your 201 doesn't make sense. Did you not understand my post or do you need to rewrite it or something.In post 211, TwoFace wrote:
You said you were scum reading her for not asking you why you had your reads so really your questions to me are the ones that don't make sense.In post 208, VictorDeAngelo wrote:That makes no sense.
Blah, blah, blah... just answer the question already.In post 212, TwoFace wrote:
If that really worries you, mafia isn't the game for you.In post 208, VictorDeAngelo wrote:What does worry me is you didn't answer the bolded question. Tut, tut, tut.
Two things; first, the starting a wagon on you, then deciding you were town and getting you to find scum felt very staged. Then, he shifted to sotty because Jack made a case. Feels like scum looking to appear active but then getting townies to do the dirty work.In post 220, Raskolnikov wrote:
I know you've since moved, but could you go into why this was. A few sentences/brief summary is fine.In post 162, VictorDeAngelo wrote:UNVOTE:
I'm with BlackVoid. BBT a good vote.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
I also think MariaR could be a good vote as well.
How the hell do you think BBT is doing more in this game than me?In post 224, goodmorning wrote:
That's not at all the sort of thing I mean.In post 187, BlackVoid wrote:
Neither. I feel it's productive to talk about what I'm thinking and push the game forward. Are you against analyzing wagons in general, or do you just feel mine wasn't useful?In post 185, goodmorning wrote:What I mean is, does it look like you're trying hard because you're a tryhard or because you're scum who's having a slightly more difficult time of it than they expected? (Obviously this is a rhetorical question.)
I'm going to stick with BBT. Why Victor over him?
Because Victor's being much worse. Toffee is at least trying to dosomething.
But she didn't say that. She said I wasn't sharing reads. Not sharing reads isn't the same as not explaining them. If she had actually said something like what you quoted I wouldn't be scum reading her.In post 224, goodmorning wrote:
No, she isn't. Hoopla is saying, "you've said you scumread a couple people but haven't actually explained why and that's absolute shit."In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.
Your going to need a lot better than this if your going to try and get me lynched.Which meansyou'rethe one playing semantic games.
This is kinda OOG, but I don't think roleplaying == mafia. Just saying.In post 234, TwoFace wrote:I find it funny that on a site where people are sort of role playing, they complain about people role playing while role playing. You aren't the first to complain about the coin flip and I'm completely baffled why people have an issue with it.
I am no longer willing to vote Maria. I think I've gone all the way over to lean town on her.MariaR wrote:I'm being vague because I don't want the people who I sr to change there play or act iffy so for now I'm waiting.-
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In post 251, goodmorning wrote:
saying 'this guy is a good vote' is not pushing anything;saying 'come bandwagon this guy,' while both useless and dull, is.In post 228, Raskolnikov wrote:
Victors pushing things though? Saying he did less than BBT in this game is kind of a stretch.In post 224, goodmorning wrote:Because Victor's being much worse. Toffee is at least trying to dosomething.
The part I do agree with is I want him to explain his reads.1
Also, Victor has yet to explain shit. Toffee at least has said he wants to bandwagon people for pressure andspent some time on his Raskolnikov townread.21Sure it is. First I was actually voting BBT, so while I didn't literally come out and say come bandwagon this guy I was putting pressure on him (and I wasn't the only vote on him at the time). Similarly saying I willing to vote another player is clearly an indication of my read, and gives other players a chance to see if they want to either question why I'll vote them, convince me to shift my vote, etc, etc. Saying let's have a bandwagon is simply saying let's pile votes without worrying about it. Given how early it was it doesn't even look like BBT is looking for anything particularly scummy from said player, but simply wants to get some wagons going to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.
2Where did the underlined happen?
Again, the statement was;
She said you weren't sharing reads "In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
But she didn't say that. She said I wasn't sharing reads. Not sharing reads isn't the same as not explaining them. If she had actually said something like what you quoted I wouldn't be scum reading her.In post 224, goodmorning wrote:
No, she isn't. Hoopla is saying, "you've said you scumread a couple people but haven't actually explained why and that's absolute shit."In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.punctuated with something other than variations of "...is a good vote"."
WHAT ELSE IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?????
However much you kick and scream, that's complaining I didn't share reads, not that I didn't explain them.In post 170, Hoopla wrote:As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.
That's not an excuse. If your town you can't expect players to hand you their alignment on a plate. If she was town, I'd expect to be trying to get more information out of me. She didn't. She attacked and left, even after I gave her an opportunity to engage with me in 175. That's not townie.
I don't know, but given that she shouldn't have HAD to ask in the first place, I don't really care.
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.
It answers one question I have.
Go look at his entrance again. He comes in near the end of page two, throws a completely random vote, doesn't engage with the game in any way. Try and tell me that's in any way Town.In post 241, Raskolnikov wrote:Was about to vote victor actually but his response makes me think town, and goodmorning's push on him has been weird.
I think that probably answers your later question.
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Even when Maria asked for you to "share your reads with the class" you declined to share, so lets not pretend that you haven't had an opportunity to explain any reads.In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.1You've been prompted several times by different players in different ways and you haven't volunteered any explanations beyond the superficial. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not just being facetious, I will politely ask you for some further explanation in a direct and easy to understand way. Hopefully my request for explanation has been presented in the correct format for you to reply:
1) Why did you think BlueBloodedToffee was a good vote?
2) Who are your two strong town reads? Why are they strong town reads?
3) Why did you originally think Maria might be a good vote, and why do you think she is town now?
4) Why are you suspicious of me?1- Nope, that question was relating to outing the two townreads I'm refusing to go into at this time not the scumreads.
1) Actually I have explained this at this point. You need to keep up.
2) I already said I'm not sharing these reads yet, for reasons I'm not going to explain either.
3) Similarly to BBT, I felt she townread rask too quickly. However I think she's town now because even after myself and her have taken heat for lack of explanation she is continuing to play that way rather than trying to adapt for towncred.
4) Again, this has been discussed in the thread. You went for attack over questioning. I'd expect a post like 261 to be the sort of thing you've have done naturally if you were town.
I'm not going to comment on how difficult it is to townslip on purpose on a different site because it's not relevant here. However, you can't simply argue it's not alignment indicative because your taking heat. Scum have more motivation to point to "townslips" than town. Town have less motivation to look town, and absolutely no reason to try and convince people they are not scum with a player (since they are not scum with anyone).In post 269, CloudKicker wrote: I come from a site where its very very hard to townslip on purpose and this was genuine. Its not alignement indicative to point said slip, you can then judge for yourself if you believe it is one or not Mostly scum will disagree, ppl who will 100% buy it are scum pocketing you and the rest is yolo. Seriously most of the users on EM are disgustingly incompetent at mafia so i point out the slips. But i agree with the wifom.. i would never wifom like that as scum
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Nice attempt to deflect but your doing it again. You're equating not sharing everything with not sharing anything.In post 294, Hoopla wrote:
I didn't realise you were this obtuse and required such explicit, direct questioning in order to pry information from.In post 293, VictorDeAngelo wrote:4) Again, this has been discussed in the thread. You went for attack over questioning. I'd expect a post like 261 to be the sort of thing you've have done naturally if you were town.
And yes, this may be a novel concept, but asking direct questioning is one such way of getting information. It's not the only way, but it's not like you're trying anything else.
Which is why I'm questioning your towniness.
You'll have to wait and see.Although I still don't know the purpose of saying you have two strong town reads and then not sharing who they are, let alone reasons why. Why bother mentioning them at all?-
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To attempt to engage you. There were any number of useful things you could have said:In post 296, Hoopla wrote:
Why did you bother asking me what I thought of your reads, when the extent of your reads wereIn post 295, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Nice attempt to deflect but your doing it again. You're equating not sharing everything with not sharing anything."X might be a good vote"? Surely you must have known there was nothing there for me to comment on.
"I think BBT is town and don't agree."
"I think Maria is a good vote as well"
"Why is BBT a good vote?"
"How scummy do you think BBT is?"
"Why did choose BBT over Maria?"
As just a few examples. It's not that you couldn't comment but you didn't.-
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Sigh, let's try and fix this:
First, don't compare to child cancer. That's just disgusting, and frankly I thought you were a better person than that.In post 298, goodmorning wrote:
1. actions =/= words. it's a proactive vs reactive thing. also i really don't want to get caught up defending toffee because he's also been awful thus far but less awful than you, much like cancer is less awful to us somehow when it happens to adults rather than children.In post 293, VictorDeAngelo wrote:1Sure it is. First I was actually voting BBT, so while I didn't literally come out and say come bandwagon this guy I was putting pressure on him (and I wasn't the only vote on him at the time). Similarly saying I willing to vote another player is clearly an indication of my read, and gives other players a chance to see if they want to either question why I'll vote them, convince me to shift my vote, etc, etc. Saying let's have a bandwagon is simply saying let's pile votes without worrying about it. Given how early it was it doesn't even look like BBT is looking for anything particularly scummy from said player, but simply wants to get some wagons going to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.
Second, are actually suggestion that words are better than actions? How so? Actions are what move the game forward. It's completely unrelated to being either proactive or reactive, and I have no clue why you would bring that up.
Well 97 said:
2. context of 97 makes it pretty clear imo.In post 293, VictorDeAngelo wrote:In post 224, goodmorning wrote: Also, Victor has yet to explain shit. Toffee at least has said he wants to bandwagon people for pressure andspent some time on his Raskolnikov townread.22Where did the underlined happen?
So, I'd love to know the context which leads to the conclusion that he spent some time on his townread.In post 97, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:UNVOTE: Rask
Cool, Rask is town. Rask, who do you think is most likely to be scum from your wagon?
And post 177 came after 170.
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Again, the statement was;
She said you weren't sharing reads "In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
But she didn't say that. She said I wasn't sharing reads. Not sharing reads isn't the same as not explaining them. If she had actually said something like what you quoted I wouldn't be scum reading her.In post 224, goodmorning wrote:
No, she isn't. Hoopla is saying, "you've said you scumread a couple people but haven't actually explained why and that's absolute shit."In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.punctuated with something other than variations of "...is a good vote"."
WHAT ELSE IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?????
However much you kick and scream, that's complaining I didn't share reads, not that I didn't explain them.In post 170, Hoopla wrote:As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.quoted hoopla's actual post. 177.
KNOW THE FACTS
So once again, rather than stick the topic your turning to a different point of attack. Have you been watching a certain debate and thinking "Damn, that orange skinned dude knows what he's doing".
if YOU'RE town you shouldn't be deliberately trying to make it harder for everyone else. bad play, very antitown.
That's not an excuse. If your town you can't expect players to hand you their alignment on a plate. If she was town, I'd expect to be trying to get more information out of me. She didn't. She attacked and left, even after I gave her an opportunity to engage with me in 175. That's not townie.
I don't know, but given that she shouldn't have HAD to ask in the first place, I don't really care.
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.
And for the record, your logic only works if you assume everyone reading the thread is town (which obviously is not the case).
If you don't change your tone GM, I'm just going to blacklist you and replace out. Last warning!p-edit: OR YOU COULD JUST FUCKING EXPLAIN YOURSELF IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A SHIT FFS-
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At this point, we are just going to be disagreeing over how to play the game, and I can't be bothered to waste my time further on you.In post 300, Hoopla wrote:
And at that point, I told you I'd comment when you give something to comment on (your cue here is to give me something to comment on)In post 297, VictorDeAngelo wrote:To attempt to engage you. There were any number of useful things you could have said:
"I think BBT is town and don't agree."
"I think Maria is a good vote as well"
"Why is BBT a good vote?"
"How scummy do you think BBT is?"
"Why did choose BBT over Maria?"
As just a few examples. It's not that you couldn't comment but you didn't.
And then next TwoFace took over and reiterated the same thing, to which you started complaining about semantics, again, instead of providing something for us to comment on. It really shouldn't have got to that point, though. How about instead of throwing it back at me with"what do you think about my two nothing reads and my two mystery town reads who are top secret fyi, ps. they're really strong reads"you actually just said the reason for your reads? Do you literally need someone to hold your hand and ask you directly why you thought they were good votes? If your reasons are any good, just volunteer the information.-
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Bullshit, as far as I'm concerned, she owes me an apology.In post 301, Hoopla wrote:Victor, look what you've done to goodmorning. You've really upset her, and she's such a good kid. I think you should apologise to myself and goodmorning, and TwoFace while you're at it.-
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Then don't post at 4.a.m.In post 316, goodmorning wrote:
1. It got my meaning across, no? I would probably have chosen a different analogy had I been able to think of one but things are very dark indeed at 4am.In post 304, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
First, don't compare to child cancer. That's just disgusting, and frankly I thought you were a better person than that.In post 298, goodmorning wrote:
1. actions =/= words. it's a proactive vs reactive thing. also i really don't want to get caught up defending toffee because he's also been awful thus far but less awful than you, much like cancer is less awful to us somehow when it happens to adults rather than children.In post 293, VictorDeAngelo wrote:1Sure it is. First I was actually voting BBT, so while I didn't literally come out and say come bandwagon this guy I was putting pressure on him (and I wasn't the only vote on him at the time). Similarly saying I willing to vote another player is clearly an indication of my read, and gives other players a chance to see if they want to either question why I'll vote them, convince me to shift my vote, etc, etc. Saying let's have a bandwagon is simply saying let's pile votes without worrying about it. Given how early it was it doesn't even look like BBT is looking for anything particularly scummy from said player, but simply wants to get some wagons going to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.
Second, are actually suggestion that words are better than actions? How so? Actions are what move the game forward. It's completely unrelated to being either proactive or reactive, and I have no clue why you would bring that up.
So why do you feel that my actions are worth less than BBT words then?2. No, I'm suggesting that actions, and words that call for actions from others, are more efficacious than words, and words that only imply actions from oneself.
Since I'm also scumreading BBT do you really think I want you to defend him.
The context of 97 is the time in which it was posted, the previous posts from Raskolnikov, etc.
Well 97 said:
2. context of 97 makes it pretty clear imo.In post 293, VictorDeAngelo wrote:In post 224, goodmorning wrote: Also, Victor has yet to explain shit. Toffee at least has said he wants to bandwagon people for pressure andspent some time on his Raskolnikov townread.22Where did the underlined happen?
So, I'd love to know the context which leads to the conclusion that he spent some time on his townread.In post 97, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:UNVOTE: Rask
Cool, Rask is town. Rask, who do you think is most likely to be scum from your wagon?
And, again, I'm not going much farther than this. I hate being roped into defending my scumreads.
Nope, I'm looking for you to justify your own statements. If 224 is genuine you'd be able to back it up right? So how about instead of a dictionary definition of what context means (which I could get off google) you explain how you reached your conclusions (which I can't seem to find any results off google for).
I didn't say 177 didn't happen. I said 170 is when Hoopla accused me of not sharing reads. I'm not denying the existence of other posts by her where she doesn't attack me for not having reads, I'm simply saying that they are not the post I was referring to. But that post and others came after I pointed out that I had actually made some reads, to which her only response was to quibble over the terminology I used.
DOES THAT MAKE IT LIKE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN???????? ONE SEVENTY-SEVEN WAS THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO THE WHOLE TIME; I HAVE NOW EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU AND YOUR RESPONSE IS THAT
And post 177 came after 170.
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However much you kick and scream, that's complaining I didn't share reads, not that I didn't explain them.In post 170, Hoopla wrote:As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.quoted hoopla's actual post. 177.
KNOW THE FACTSIT WAS SEVEN POSTS LATER?????????????
Your either not reading my posts properly, not understanding them (and I don't believe a girl who uses efficacious in her posts can't distinguish between everyone and majority) or at this point you simply don't care. Two thirds of those options are scummy, and the one third that isn't is IMO the least likely.
WEIRDLY, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE AS THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE GAME WHAT THE FUCKAnd for the record, your logic only works if you assume everyone reading the thread is town (which obviously is not the case).-
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Because it was page 2 and nothing in the game seemed worth commenting on.In post 321, MichelSableheart wrote: Victor placed a random vote, without actually contributing anything useful. I've seen townies do that, but it's disappointing. Victor, why did post #35 contain nothing but a random vote? Why you didn't give an opinion on Hoopla's playstyle at the time?
Traditional, the portion of the game your looking at is the least profitable in my opinion. Scum have the easiest time hiding in the opening pages of the game where everything is random. You've mentioned townreads in the post but no real scumreads yet. Do you still feel comfortable with your goodmorning vote?
Not sure if I've said it before but I'm buying the coin flipping gimmick. This vote should have come two pages ago and I don't like how it only comes after you've taken pressure for not voting.
What do you think about Jack?In post 346, MariaR wrote:I don't know whats wrong with me I'm reading but my head is just buzzing all the words are getting scrambled and I prob can't remember what was said on the last page
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Yeah, there was meant to be a not there.In post 372, CloudKicker wrote:
Didnt like that line, then i went over your iso and oh boy the walls of texts im totally not planning to hard-read into and ure voting gm whos town so theres that.In post 369, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Not sure if I've said it before but I'm buying the coin flipping gimmick.
Hopefully the post makes sense now.In post 372, CloudKicker wrote:In post 369, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Not sure if I've said it before but I'mnotbuying the coin flipping gimmick.-
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No, it's fine. I understand the point about the wagon. What was the disagreement you had again (I'm too lazy to look for it)?In post 371, MariaR wrote:When I read that over it sounds like babbling do I need to rephase that-
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Despite all our interaction she still is justifying her vote mostly around my first post being rvs. I don't see how random voting on page 2 is scummy at all. However, even my opening post was something she would have pushed early on it's not something you'd be pushing at this point. Goodmorning should either have a better case on me or be backing off.In post 375, CloudKicker wrote:
Yea much more, that line really standed out when i was rereading. Can you also explain me the gm read in short
Also, I think she slipped up when she spoke of BBT spent time on his rask townread as there's no way she reach that conclusion as town which is why she's ignored 320 and not responded to any of my points/questions.-
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Oh ok. I don't find this particularly scummy. Sure, you disagree but why does feel like it's scum play rather than a difference of opinion?In post 378, MariaR wrote:
ThisIn post 111, Jaack wrote:
Using dice tags in rvs is the kind of thing that tends to get people on your case, essentially for the reasons michel gave when he voted hoopla. It's sort of like self voting in rvs in that it's liable to get people talking about you early.In post 109, MariaR wrote:Jack why do you think talking about dice is risky for scum btw I don't get it
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I think I explained it. I don't believe anything Hoopla did was worth commenting on, because ultimately it's the kind of fluff posting that could come from town or scum. You may feel there's something significant about the use of dice tags but I do not. TIn post 413, MichelSableheart wrote:
The reason I'm asking the question, as should be clear from the context, is that there was something in the game that was worth commenting on: Hoopla's playstyle at the time. It's exactly the lack of comment on this that I want explained. "There was nothing worth commenting on" therefore is not a good explanation.In post 369, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Because it was page 2 and nothing in the game seemed worth commenting on.In post 321, MichelSableheart wrote: Victor placed a random vote, without actually contributing anything useful. I've seen townies do that, but it's disappointing. Victor, why did post #35 contain nothing but a random vote? Why you didn't give an opinion on Hoopla's playstyle at the time?
Traditional, the portion of the game your looking at is the least profitable in my opinion. Scum have the easiest time hiding in the opening pages of the game where everything is random. You've mentioned townreads in the post but no real scumreads yet. Do you still feel comfortable with your goodmorning vote?
And yes, I'm still happy with my goodmorning vote (as I would have unvoted otherwise). The analysis of the very early game is still the best thing I have to base my vote on.-
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Both Sotty and myself had called you out for not voting.In post 385, TwoFace wrote:
That would require me to have actually have been pressured which I wasn't.In post 369, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Not sure if I've said it before but I'm buying the coin flipping gimmick. This vote should have come two pages ago and I don't like how it only comes after you've taken pressure for not voting.
True, but the point is less about the initial vote and more how it's persisted despite everything else that's happening.In post 387, Sotty7 wrote:
I'd say this would be the strongest point on GM. The RVS thing seems like you both have different beliefs on what can and cannot be found in the opening stage of the game. I don't find that necessary scummy.In post 377, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Also, I think she slipped up when she spoke of BBT spent time on his rask townread as there's no way she reach that conclusion as town which is why she's ignored 320 and not responded to any of my points/questions.
Both answered in 293.In post 404, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Reasons for your vote on me and why would Maria be a good vote?In post 162, VictorDeAngelo wrote: I'm with BlackVoid. BBT a good vote.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
I also think MariaR could be a good vote as well.
Reread 192.Why did the Cloud scum read overtake your scum read on Maria/myself?
All in all, I'm underwhelmed by this catch up by BBT. Most of what he asked was answered ITT and it feels like he's just trying to look busy. I would still be happy to vote him today.-
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Totally agree with this.Hoopla wrote:
I agree with this. My biggest pet peeve in mafia is the amount of D1's that wait until the last 48 hours to compromise, leaving little time to analyse a claim, and often reducing the town to chaotic scrambling if that wagon dissipates.In post 592, BlackVoid wrote:With that said, it looks like BBT is play for today. Hopefully we can L-1 a wagon and get a claim to assess before getting too close to the deadline.
Alright, as much as I want to tear 588 apart, GM can wait.
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What use is there in vigging a guy with virtually zero content/interactions?In post 602, GreyICE wrote:IAIs ISO is a teenage wasteland. I'll be caught up soon! Uh huh. Obviously it's bad. Not enough to motivate me to lynch day 1, but an acceptable vig target.
So you don't want to move your own vote because you don't think it would be useful off of either of the major wagons.Jaack wrote: The only other players I have reasonable scum-inklings about are twoface and cloudkicker, and neither of those two players have much momentum towards a wagon, so I don't know why I would move my vote to a less useful place.
Now regarding myself, I think it's notable that there has been a lot of interest in me as a scum candidate in the past couple of pages, but no one is willing to cast the first vote. Of course now that I say that someone will probably cheekily quote this section and vote me.
But you also question people won't move their votes off of a major wagon onto you.
Somewhat contradictory isn't it?
Why?MariaR wrote:Can you guys unvote and let the guy re read without the pressure of votes thank you.
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Strong Victor townreads are because Victor is town. duhMariaR wrote:Wtf is it with the strong victor townreads o-o
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Wait, let the slot produce some sort of content first.In post 626, GreyICE wrote:What's your proposal to deal with a slot that won't produce anything Victor? Lynch them? Hope they're town? Nah. IAI should be vigged tonight if we have one. Won't waste a lynch on him if have a vig shot.
If IAI is vigged N1 and flips town, what information do we get going forward? Compare that to if he lives to Day 2 when even if he doesn't produce content, people will have to take a stance on lynching him or not (which will provide some info after he dies).
Yes, because that's really relevent.Hey, you started off RVSing him~
But then we couldn't lynch you toDay.GreyICE wrote:Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.
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Do you have any plans to change that?In post 635, Jaack wrote:
Not really at all contradictory. I don't want to move my vote because other options I kind of like (Cloud, TwoFace, maybe you) don't appear to have much in traction at the moment.In post 623, VictorDeAngelo wrote: So you don't want to move your own vote because you don't think it would be useful off of either of the major wagons.
But you also question people won't move their votes off of a major wagon onto you.
Somewhat contradictory isn't it?
Are you not concerned about Maria's vote on you?As for me, there was a groundswell of interest in a wagon on me in the couple of pages immediately prior. A single vote and a hard push could have easily produced a wagon. It didn't, or at least hasn't happened yet.-
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In post 693, GreyICE wrote:Hoopla, Sotty: Why Victor? Here we go.
As a veteran irascible asshole, let me assure you of two things. First, you don't necessarily change because you're scum. Second, being townread is simply a tool to lynch scum. If people town read you they're more willing to listen to you, if they're more willing to listen to you, they're more willing to vote with you. Certainly we none of us think Victor is ambivalent about who gets lynched, yes?
So early on Victor was getting significant pressure.1A feud with GoodMorning, several votes, people pushing him, etc. He had to defend himself.2Then it tapered off. What did Victor do? He tapered off. It's not like any of his comments were particularly insightful or probing earlier, but after the town read? He didn't try and sell a single person on voting GoodMorning. He just was happy to leave his vote there until the "oh gee, I guess I better join the wagon under duress".31It's a stretch to label a few early votes as significant pressure.
2If you actually read the interactions with GM you'd see she never had anything more than a rvs post against me, hence why I never had to defend against her.
3Again, reread that section of the game. Pressure was mounting on GM but I never stopped scumreading your slot. I shifted to your wagon but I've said I'd still back a GM lynch. It's not like I can lynch everyone I want day 1.
Passionate? Off like one or two posts. Again, you're reaching here. IAI is a bad vig because his death tells us nothing. If you think he's scum (and you seem to be suggesting it quite heavily here) then push his wagon.If you want to talk since then, he's been the most passionate about how we shouldn't shoot IAI. That's funny. He's been on site since 2013, he's very well aware that many extremely strong players have the philosophy that vigs should default to shooting useless lurkers precisely because they have no content and its hard to read them. This is not a controversial opinion or one that is rarely voiced, it's very mainstream, and IAI is the prime candidate of this town under that. The "at least people would have to take a stance" thing is super weird. Does he think that scum wouldn't bus IAI? It's not like he's playing well at all. It just seems an attempt to preserve IAI's life without actually doing much that would commit him one way or the other. It's a very weird stance to take.
Also, if you had reread thoroughly you'd see he was vla for a largish chunk of the game, so the lack of content arguments are null.
Well obviously I don't think scum will shoot my scumread :pMore interestingly he didn't even argue the scum should shoot Goodmorning. He just wanted it to be not-IAI, he didn't even think of Goodmorning getting shot. That's very, very odd for someone who is so strongly reading her as scum. He's strongly reading her, but he isn't really willing to push her and doesn't even think of having a vig shoot her? That's downright off.
Anyway, you were advocating an IAI shot which I think is a bad idea. I'm not having a lengthy discussion on the pros and cons of different vig targets. It should be obvious from my posting that I would like to see GM vigged/lynched.
Interestingly two thirds of this came after GreyIce replaced in so really the extent of the scumread in 602 is he doesn't think I've pushed GM enough.-
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If you're going to stop ignoring me, then why not respond to my questions in 320 about BBT?In post 722, goodmorning wrote:
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(in response to sotty asking for a very condensed version)In post 354, goodmorning wrote:Victor's entrance was scummier than anyone else's (including IAI's, while we're going there); it came near the bottom of p2, when there was plenty to comment on, yet he dropped an RV and left. Currently, he's playing the semantic game he accuses others of playing, misrepping Hoopla, refusing to provide much useful content, and attempting to infuriate me.
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No one's attempting to infuriate you, your just getting yourself angry because, well, to be honest I don't get what your so angry about. Could it be because I got your number so early?In post 723, goodmorning wrote:ftr genuinely trying to infuriate someone is a huge scumtell imo
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So you don't want to respond to anything else I said?In post 731, GreyICE wrote:I'd like to nominate the post above me as the single most fake post in this thread.
Funnily enough, it wouldn't shock me if you found this exact exchange in a past game of mine.MariaR wrote:That's like If I said
I'm really sad today guys
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Oh hang on, what you weren't saying that my comments were a stretch, but you were simply demonstrated reading comprehension. Did you really think I was asking you to summarise what I said?In post 741, GreyICE wrote:You're a broken record. Stretching! Read more! Stretching! I mean I'm proud you found a thesaurus and discovered reaching was a synonym for stretching but your response sucked. And now you're trying to taunt me.
Where did you get the impression I was uncomfortable with where I stand? Ditto on the getting townreads statement. If you really think you're going to push a Victor wagon, you might want to check the thread to see if there's anything to justify your statements.I seriously wanted sableheart to chat because I don't like some of his stuff, but you're uncomfortable with where you stand. It's predictable, the only things you've really cared about is other people's town reads (getting your own scum reads pushed at all is a distant second) but if you're not going to sit patiently, then I'll cram a wagon down your throat and talk to sableheart too. It'll be multitasking.-
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So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?In post 766, MariaR wrote:
I saw victor and black in the town slot and stopped readingIn post 757, I Am Innocent wrote:
Just from the catchup, for instance ur unvote/contradiction from an earlier stance where you don't like to wait until deadline to get claims would have been a negative point:In post 750, Hoopla wrote:Can you post a list of your reads from town --> scum? Maybe even with scores if you're feeling friendly?
Town: Cloud, Hoopla, BlackVoid, Victor, Sotty
Null/Town Lean: Rask, TwoFace, Michel, Maria
Null Scum: GoodMorning
Scum: GreyIce, Jaack
3 of the town reads dropped strong town tells (including yourself), both scum read dropped a early game scum tells in addition to poor posts. Good Morning to did not have one positive post either. BBT was the only of my scum reads to have a good post, and it was for his early vote on the Rask wagon since I saw something there early on. Of course Rask has since been more townie, so that one post doesn't offset the number of bad posts/scum tell that slot dropped.
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What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.In post 772, MariaR wrote: So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.[/quote]
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EBWODP
Then why dismiss the list so abruptly?In post 772, MariaR wrote:In post 771, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.In post 766, MariaR wrote:
So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.-
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What throwback?In post 775, MariaR wrote:
Avoiding the throw back huh? Smooth.In post 774, VictorDeAngelo wrote:EBWODP
Then why dismiss the list so abruptly?In post 772, MariaR wrote:In post 771, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
What type of question is THIS I think that's great? gr8 he's still very wrong.In post 766, MariaR wrote:
So you disagree on two reads and discount the whole list?
What do you think about the fact that his two strongest scumreads are GreyIce and Jack who you also want to lynch today?
I feel like you only commented on this because you were 1 of the 2 reads in question.
So your saying it was just a comment for the sake of making a comment, or am I misinterpreting this?It was just a jab towards him and nothing more I felt like making the comment so I did.-
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I was more interested in the fact that you were more concerned that you disagreed with the two weaker scumreads (me and Black) and yet you don't seem to mention on the two stronger scumreads of Grey/Jaack.In post 777, MariaR wrote: Yes I just felt like making a comment because I was laughing that he somehow had a tr on you and black so I felt like making the comment.
And 766 sounds like you discredit the whole list based on two differences rather than a joke. If you were laughing I don't get why. IaI is not the only player townreading either Black or myself, so why is so noteworthy?
The 'jab towards him' was a comment made towards me. You've lost me.And you mean the comment I made towards you you don't think is worth commenting on? Okay.-
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Ok, I don't want to turn this into a multi page thing so I'll stop bothering you with this.MariaR wrote:In post 778, VictorDeAngelo wrote: He's not noteworthy I'm just not gonna say lol to everyone who tr's u2 I've asked why ppl tr you and they don't answer I just felt like making the comment
I can't tell if you're curious or trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill the 2nd part I am not gonna answer because you should be able to figure out what i meant yourself.
FWIW I like IaI's list. I am townreading everyone he has at town and scumreading the players he has at scum and null scum. Which is why I didn't like 766. If you wanted to get an explanation you might have been better asking as if it was my list and I had read your comment, I wouldn't have thought to explain any of my reads to you.-
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This sounds noble and all but did you forget you were scumreading Jaack?In post 790, GreyICE wrote:
Sorry, I don't value my own survival above a scum death.In post 788, Hoopla wrote:Grey, if you value your own survival, you'd be voting Jack about here.
Obviously I prefer not me to me, but given I've got until Thursday to rally a lynch on someone I think is scum AND I want to talk to Sableheart's replacement even more now, I'm perfectly content with this.
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Weird that I'm the subject and even I don't know what your talking about.In post 811, goodmorning wrote: Weird that Victor steps into the middle of an attempted discussion that's only tangentially related to him.
This is worthy of a lynch in and of itself. If goodmorning was trully scumreading me, it would make no sense to refuse to engage Sotty to try and get her onside. Instead she would surely by reiterating the case and ramming it down people's throats if given the oppurtunity. Instead she's just pointlessly arguing to no end.
A. I am not the only vote on Victor.
Okay. Lets try this then. You're the only vote on Victor, what would you say would be the most compelling reason that he is scum. The entrance into the game point you made I don't agree with. He's moved on from interacting with Hoopla. What about his other stances makes him scum? Did you think his BBT/Grey vote was scummy?In post 694, goodmorning wrote:@Sotty: I disagree, as is probably obvious. I'm not really looking to have an argument about it and wouldn't have even bothered posting any of that had I not been directly asked. I've been pretty averse to pushing weakish wagons on players who are probably better than me since NY169.
B. I am not interested in helping you look like you're doing more than you are.
C. Does the fact that the misrep was in the past make it not a misrep?
D. I am clearly not going to be able to convince you on this and I really don't want to try.
E. Is there something about the vote that Ishouldfind particularly scummy? And why ask me about that in particular?
What kind of crap is this???TwoFace wrote:I give up. Nobody I want lynched is going to get lynched. Hopefully I'll have something more substantial tomorrow
Four days out, and none of your lynches are going easy so you're going to do what exactly? Sit back for the rest of the day and just let another lynch happen.
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I have an unexpected respite from work so let's see if I can catch up.
This isn’t a contradiction. Your basically equating “has value” with “mafia god”. You want people to listen to you, you should be building a case. A proper one, not that weakass one in 693. You should be interacting with me not ignoring me.In post 818, GreyICE wrote:Now Hoopla, I'm noticing a contradiction that's irking me a little. Unlikesomepeople around here I don't think every contradiction is automatically 100% scummy, but I do think this one is obnoxious enough that I want to directly ask you about it.
In post 787, Hoopla wrote:I'm not afraid of a hammer. Like I said earlier, I think Grey has earnt his keep. The value he provides if he's town overrides the chance of that slot being scum. When I unvoted and moved onto Jack I sensed a real chance of a rapid wagon happening there, but maybe I misread the situation? Either way, I will compromise soon if nobody wants to lynch Jack and I'll get back on the Grey wagon.
What's my fucking value to the town if you're not willing to listen to me? It's not like I claimed some fucking awesome power role or something (you have no idea what my role is), you're basing this entirely on the strength of my dayplay. So... how strong is my dayplay if you won't give me any goddamn credit.In post 810, Hoopla wrote:
No matter how good you think your reasons are on Victor and IAI, you don't have the cred to call the shots and rally the town. I'm throwing you an olive branch here; a chance of survival by getting a Jack wagon well and truly going, with an opportunity to improve your image and influence in the game tomorrow. He's your third suspect and it's D1 -- how much better do youIn post 804, GreyICE wrote:Also, four days from deadline? Seriously? There's like mafia games where a day phase is four days long. You could organize a lynch in four hours.reallythink the odds of Victor or IAI being scum over Jack are?
And why should you get credit here. There’s been no flip, you’ve caught no scum, so what are we giving you credit for exactly?
Threaterned like a terrorist?In post 819, GreyICE wrote:
I'm willing to compromise onto IAI since you townread Victor for some reason (seriously man... why).In post 817, BlackVoid wrote:Finally, I'm not comfortable with the inevitability of a Jaack lynch. Regardless of alignment, Sotty7 and GreyICE have people strongly townreading them or refusing to lynch them. Jaack doesn't have that. He's been fairly low-key, and no one has been willing to bat for him particularly hard. So when deadline comes, people from both camps will likely "compromise" on him when they can't get their first choice lynch. I think he's town and I want to open up that discussion before it's too late.
See, I'm willing to work with you because you try to talk to me while Hoopla threatens me like a terrorist. There's a lesson there for someone (hint: HOOPLA)
The woman who unvoted you and talked about a potential alternate is threatening you like a terrorist.
How are there people in this game not wanting to lynch GreyICE?
Sigh and now we get the lazy Victor wagon.
Why wait to ask this question the moment a viable counterwagon to Grey emerges?In post 862, MariaR wrote:I have a question for everyone on the Grey wagon
Why do you think no other wagons have really picked up until now because he's scum and getting bussed? Or it's just hard to vote him and scum are content with losing him?
I don't know the answer and I want to
And there’s so many possible answers beyond bussing. Maybe multiple scum are on a wagon already. Maybe there’s only two scum. Maybe he’s traitor or third party and there’s no to help him etc etc.
When did she stall a good wagon? Or cast shade? Why is it you don’t bother quoting stuff and then when I look through player’s ISOs I can’t find anything to back up what your saying?In post 863, TwoFace wrote:Hoopla joining the gray wagon is terrible. Anyone town reading her. Weds their head examined. It's funny she stalls a good wagon and then casts shade on the people voting that same person
Goodmorning’s refusal to interact with me again is just weaksauce. She needs to be lynched as well.
Assuming I’m right about GreyICE being scum it’s likely all three scum are on my wagon at this point. I think gm is one because she has been scum for a long time. Not sure on the other. I was wondering about Rask until 963 but now I kind think he is town. I think TwoFace is depressingly town because he hasn’t jumped on which would have been the sensible thing to do if he was aligned with GreyICE (in the unlikely event Grey is town though TwoFace is more than likely scum). So it would probably be one of Jaack or Maria. Grey's reluctance to push the Jaack wagon despite the fact he was scumreading him suggests that it's likely to him.-
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Funny that accuse me of not reading and yet you obviously not reading/comprehending/thinking about what I'm posting.In post 993, TwoFace wrote:
You obviously aren't trying very hard. Here let me show youIn post 965, VictorDeAngelo wrote:When did she stall a good wagon? Or cast shade? Why is it you don’t bother quoting stuff and then when I look through player’s ISOs I can’t find anything to back up what your saying?
Here is where I say which wagon she stalled. It's actually not my first comment cause I've said a couple of times that bbt was the counter to sotty. Twice sotty was at 4 votes and attention got diverted to bbt for some reasonIn post 852, TwoFace wrote:The only other wagon that had potential was sotty which stalled many times. Hoopla even helped stall it.
Grey is town
I'm asking where Hoopla stalled the Sotty wagon. Obviously I'm not asking that as a random question. I've read you say that Hoopla stalled the wagon. I don't need you to requote you saying that Hoopla stalled it. What I'm saying is that it didn't happen. Hoopla is not the reason Sotty isn't getting lynched.
Specuating about where scum might be is a long way from casting shade. Particularly since this was in response to Maria's question about why an alternative to the Grey wagon wasn't going off.Here is her casting shade
2 of the 3 people are voting the wagon she stalled earlier.In post 855, Hoopla wrote:It does a little bit. If Grey is town, then I'd expect scum to be in the lurkers/people sitting on stale wagons content with the game state and not willing to put their neck on the line to further the game and put themselves in the limelight. Raskol, goodmorning, TwoFace spring to mind.
All of these were on the same page man. The same fucking page!!!
Funny you accuse me of stupidity (not being able to read), laziness (not trying to read) and lying (apparently seeing the posts, reading them but then pretending not to).Sorry when im repeating things I've said previously (stalled wagons) or responding to a recent post (casting shade) I have this unrealistic expectation that people will actually read the posts being made and not lie about not seeing them when they are right there in their face. I'm sorry I made that mistake. I won't assume you have the ability to read posts being made even though it's sort of a requirement of the game.-
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In fact, why aren't you voting me already.In post 994, TwoFace wrote:If victor gets to l-1 I'll hammer. If he's town he doesn't read well and is a liability. If he's scum well I can actually see a sotty/hoopla/victor team and yes I'm a little crazy
No way you didn't see this on the previous page.In post 950, mhsmith0 wrote:
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I'm not allowed to reevaluate? TwoFace making it clear he's only prepared to vote me if I get to L-1 is made me rethink.In post 1001, GreyICE wrote:Okay, back, starting my thoughts. Buuuut since this is sticking out at me
Hey Victor:
What happened to the all three scum on your wagon since I'm scum? Or have you realized that's not going to fly tomorrow with my townflip?In post 965, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Assuming I’m right about GreyICE being scum it’s likely all three scum are on my wagon at this point. I think gm is one because she has been scum for a long time. Not sure on the other. I was wondering about Rask until 963 but now I kind think he is town. I think TwoFace is depressingly town because he hasn’t jumped on which would have been the sensible thing to do if he was aligned with GreyICE (in the unlikely event Grey is town though TwoFace is more than likely scum). So it would probably be one of Jaack or Maria. Grey's reluctance to push the Jaack wagon despite the fact he was scumreading him suggests that it's likely to him.-
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I'm town mason.
You can either out another mason to confirm or we can just lynch GreyICE like we should have done two days ago and be done with it.-
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lolIn post 1078, GreyICE wrote:FUCKING SERIOUSLY
IS IT FOR ONCE TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT FUCKING MASONS PLAY LIKE TOWN
AND NOT FUCKING LIVE IN A QUICKTOPIC
YOU USELESS SACK OF SHIT.
WHY THE FUCK CANT YOU PLAY LIKE A FUCKING TOWNIE INSTEAD OF LIVING IN ANOTHER THREAD AND POSTING IN THIS ONE RELUCTANTLY. ITS SCUM AS FUCK. GO FUCK YOURSELF AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.
Vote: IAI
When I get lynched today you fucking sack of shit it is 100% on you and your dumbass mason QT-
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It's not a taunt, it's life advice. No one should get this angry over a game. It's just not normal.In post 1086, GreyICE wrote:
And now you're taunting me. Is there any town motive for this you piece of shit?In post 1082, VictorDeAngelo wrote:If you really can't take being lynched you probably shouldn't be playing mafia Grey.-
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Since gm apparently isn't going to read this, everyone else might as well answer these questions for themselves.In post 1144, goodmorning wrote: I haven't read a single one of victor's posts since my ragewall. (Well, one, actually, because it came up on preview. But only that one.) I still think Victor is Scum and I still want him lynched at some point, but I wasn't convincing anyone active and I'm not inclined to waste my breath, particularly not now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).
I don't like you equating tunneling with towniness. Tunneling is a mildly scummy behaviour. Also: showing up and talking about something I'd already made up my mind on would have been very boring indeed, and useless. Far better to post thoughts on a wide range of subjects so they can survive my inevitable death.
That said:
Vote: IAI
Why would town stop reading any players posts? That should be a lynchable offence itself!
And why didn't she think there wasn't the possibility of convincing anyone active? First there were plenty of players (TwoFace, Maria, GreyICE) who clearly willing to listen to a Victor scumcase. As for others, how would she know if she didn't engage them? Or even they were townreading me, how exactly could she hope to win the game without attempting to change their minds. She was supposedly fairly confident I was scum but not interesting in trying to convince other because it wasn't easy? The defeatist, there was no lynching Victor attitude just doesn't just doesn't make sense for town.
What does make sense is that gm was scum, happy to sit on an easy vote throughout the day thinking I wouldn't get lynched and she could take the high road once GreyICE flipped town.
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We really need to lynch Goodmorning today.
First not true that nobody was on the fence about me. Just because some players had strong townreads it doesn't mean no one would have listened. Even if gm believed everyone on the Grey wagon was set in their ways, a majority of players weren't on the Grey wagon. None of them were worth trying to convince to move onto her Vic wagon?In post 1194, goodmorning wrote:
NOBODY WAS ON THE FENCE. I'm convinced he's Scum and reading his posts was making the game extremely unfun for me, so yeah, I stopped. I said all I had to say and nobody who wanted Grey lynched bought it, so there was no point wasting my breath repeating myself.In post 1181, Raskolnikov wrote:
You're saying yesterday you just stopped reading the posts of your scumread at one point and didn't think it was worth it to talk about them anymore?? There were competing wagons extremely close and a lot of people on the fence, you wanted victor lynched and greyice not-lynched, but thought it was a waste of breath to comment, really? He didn't claim mason until the very end of the day so that's not justification for yesterday either.In post 1144, goodmorning wrote:I haven't read a single one of victor's posts since my ragewall. (Well, one, actually, because it came up on preview. But only that one.) I still think Victor is Scum and I still want him lynched at some point, but I wasn't convincing anyone active and I'm not inclined to waste my breath, particularly not now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).
These both sound like she supported the GreyICE lynch regardless of how little sense GreyICE and me would have made as buddies. Then in the next she will show how she supposedly said something about why she thought lynching GreyICE was not a good idea:
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WTF kind of logic is this, it's better to post my thoughts on a wide range of subjects than to read my scumread's posts which I just stopped doing halfway through the game and comment on either wagon when both were competing.In post 1144, goodmorning wrote:Also: showing up and talking about something I'd already made up my mind on would have been very boring indeed, and useless. Far better to post thoughts on a wide range of subjects so they can survive my inevitable death.
Even without victor, if I completely ignore that part; you didn't care about greyice there either. YOU SAID YOU THOUGH IAI WAS SCUM AFRAID OF GREYICE. How do you not say ANYTHING about why you think lynching greyice might not be a good idea. TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS WERE PUSHING HIM AND HE WAS THE VICTOR CW.
4. Counterwagons are a bullshit reason to change your reads in any way.
3. Scum can bus.
A cautious sentence embedded in an argument against IaI was never going to dissuade people from voting GreyICE. Nor do I believe it was ever the intent.2.
(Kept the 2nd-3rd paragraphs there to show you THIS IS A POST YOU REFERENCED WTFIn post 811, goodmorning wrote:Grey replaced in and is reading a similar game to the game I'm reading.He could have picked that path as Scum, because disagreeing with most people on many reads can make people think you're Town for effort-related reasons, but I think if he was Scum doing that he'd have picked someone better regarded than me to have similar reads to.
You, on the other hand, came in and magically had almost the same reads as almost everyone. That's lazy/busy Scum tactic if I ever saw it. Moreover, you made a push on the Grey wagon that was, as I pointed out in the above, exceedingly flexible in nature.
So yes, I think you're Scum and the push is desperation to keep that wagon going because Grey is scary to you.
I was never rude to you. Considering some of the things you've said I've been restrained.1. There is literally no reason to read someone's posts if they are being rude and you are unshakably convinced they're Scum.
And you never had a reason to unshakable believe I was scum. If you did you wouldn't have struggled to build a case.
FWIW while I'm pretty sure I've played with gm before I can't recall the game she's referring to.
I'm not sure anyone here is.In post 1185, Creature wrote:I want to see who's familiar with how GM plays as town and scum.
You have that one game in which I was ICScum, which isn't a good indicator of the rest of my play.
Victor has one game as well, in which he was Scum and I played the worst ICTown game of my life.
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