Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[BlackVoid]

@GM, why MariaR town? What happened to your Sotty7 scumread from D1?

[BlackVoid]

And you have less posts than everyone besides Jaack.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I haven't read a single one of victor's posts since my ragewall. (Well, one, actually, because it came up on preview. But only that one.) I still think Victor is Scum and I still want him lynched at some point, but I wasn't convincing anyone active and I'm not inclined to waste my breath, particularly not now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).

I don't like you equating tunneling with towniness. Tunneling is a mildly scummy behaviour. Also: showing up and talking about something I'd already made up my mind on would have been very boring indeed, and useless. Far better to post thoughts on a wide range of subjects so they can survive my inevitable death.

That said:

Vote: IAI

Since gm apparently isn't going to read this, everyone else might as well answer these questions for themselves.

Why would town stop reading any players posts? That should be a lynchable offence itself!

And why didn't she think there wasn't the possibility of convincing anyone active? First there were plenty of players (TwoFace, Maria, GreyICE) who clearly willing to listen to a Victor scumcase. As for others, how would she know if she didn't engage them? Or even they were townreading me, how exactly could she hope to win the game without attempting to change their minds. She was supposedly fairly confident I was scum but not interesting in trying to convince other because it wasn't easy? The defeatist, there was no lynching Victor attitude just doesn't just doesn't make sense for town.

What does make sense is that gm was scum, happy to sit on an easy vote throughout the day thinking I wouldn't get lynched and she could take the high road once GreyICE flipped town.

VOTE: goodmorning

[Creature]

Anyone's familiar with GM play?

[Creature]

Tempted to do a MariaR.

[Creature]

Jaack probtown

[Raskolnikov]

I haven't read a single one of victor's posts since my ragewall. (Well, one, actually, because it came up on preview. But only that one.) I still think Victor is Scum and I still want him lynched at some point, but I wasn't convincing anyone active and I'm not inclined to waste my breath, particularly not now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).

You're saying yesterday you just stopped reading the posts of your scumread at one point and didn't think it was worth it to talk about them anymore?? There were competing wagons extremely close and a lot of people on the fence, you wanted victor lynched and greyice not-lynched, but thought it was a waste of breath to comment, really? He didn't claim mason until the very end of the day so that's not justification for yesterday either.

I don't like you equating tunneling with towniness. Tunneling is a mildly scummy behaviour.

If you care about something you don't ignore it. This is a false dilemma you're creating; the game is not black-and-white where you either say nothing or tunnel.

Also: showing up and talking about something I'd already made up my mind on would have been very boring indeed, and useless. Far better to post thoughts on a wide range of subjects so they can survive my inevitable death.

WTF kind of logic is this, it's better to post my thoughts on a wide range of subjects than to read my scumread's posts which I just stopped doing halfway through the game and comment on either wagon when both were competing.
Even without victor, if I completely ignore that part; you didn't care about greyice there either. YOU SAID YOU THOUGH IAI WAS SCUM AFRAID OF GREYICE. How do you not say ANYTHING about why you think lynching greyice might not be a good idea. TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS WERE PUSHING HIM AND HE WAS THE VICTOR CW.

[Creature]

I think I am seeing lynchbaittown!GM rather than trollweirdscum!GM here.

[Raskolnikov]

It's not trollweirdscum, he had scum motivation for his actions. He wanted to cast doubt on people for mislynching greyice and definitely used that (IAI), and even though out of his victor read he couldn't "support" the wagon, he wanted greyice gone anyways as an experienced player so he didn't comment. His ISO is pure casting doubt on people with barely any push or commitment behind it, read what his focus was around the mid/end of yesterday.

[Creature]

Okay that looks fair.

[Creature]

I want to see who's familiar with how GM plays as town and scum.

[Creature]

Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

[Creature]

Though, from the unstriked, I prefer goodmorning the least.

[Raskolnikov]

The ONLY thing is I haven't yet meta'd but I'll doublecheck that when I get back. If GM has a habit of ignoring his scumread, no longer reading their posts or commenting on them in a close wagon 1v1 to focus on random shit as town that'd be revolting.

[Creature]

If you were forced to dayvig one of Hoopla/Sotty7/MariaR, who would you dayvig?

[Raskolnikov]

Probably sotty, there's still greyice's point on hoopla being capable of this as town which is annoying.

[Creature]

Okay then

dayvig: Sotty7

[Raskolnikov]

I mean I did kind of wanted to see how he'd play around the gm wagon with what he said there.

[Raskolnikov]

Anyways I'm gone this weekend

[goodmorning]

@GM, why MariaR town? What happened to your Sotty7 scumread from D1?

Besides what I said in 694, I liked the tone of her rant @ you in 1171.

It's still around. My IAI scumread is stronger though.

And you have less posts than everyone besides Jaack.

That's because I'm a quote-striper. If I multiposted like the rest of you assholes I'd have 4 times as many. (This post, for instance, would be something like 4-6 posts instead of just 1.)

If you were going by # of posts, why wasn't Jaack in your list?

I haven't read a single one of victor's posts since my ragewall. (Well, one, actually, because it came up on preview. But only that one.) I still think Victor is Scum and I still want him lynched at some point, but I wasn't convincing anyone active and I'm not inclined to waste my breath, particularly not now that he's claimed Mason (which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope).

You're saying yesterday you just stopped reading the posts of your scumread at one point and didn't think it was worth it to talk about them anymore?? There were competing wagons extremely close and a lot of people on the fence, you wanted victor lynched and greyice not-lynched, but thought it was a waste of breath to comment, really? He didn't claim mason until the very end of the day so that's not justification for yesterday either.

NOBODY WAS ON THE FENCE. I'm convinced he's Scum and reading his posts was making the game extremely unfun for me, so yeah, I stopped. I said all I had to say and nobody who wanted Grey lynched bought it, so there was no point wasting my breath repeating myself.

I don't like you equating tunneling with towniness. Tunneling is a mildly scummy behaviour.

If you care about something you don't ignore it. This is a false dilemma you're creating; the game is not black-and-white where you either say nothing or tunnel.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE MY BREATH REPEATING MYSELF.

IF I SAY IT IN CAPS WILL YOU COMPREHEND IT THIS TIME?

Also: showing up and talking about something I'd already made up my mind on would have been very boring indeed, and useless. Far better to post thoughts on a wide range of subjects so they can survive my inevitable death.

WTF kind of logic is this, it's better to post my thoughts on a wide range of subjects than to read my scumread's posts which I just stopped doing halfway through the game and comment on either wagon when both were competing.
Even without victor, if I completely ignore that part; you didn't care about greyice there either. YOU SAID YOU THOUGH IAI WAS SCUM AFRAID OF GREYICE. How do you not say ANYTHING about why you think lynching greyice might not be a good idea. TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS WERE PUSHING HIM AND HE WAS THE VICTOR CW.

From last to first:
4. Counterwagons are a bullshit reason to change your reads in any way.
3. Scum can bus.
2.

Grey replaced in and is reading a similar game to the game I'm reading.

He could have picked that path as Scum, because disagreeing with most people on many reads can make people think you're Town for effort-related reasons, but I think if he was Scum doing that he'd have picked someone better regarded than me to have similar reads to.

You, on the other hand, came in and magically had almost the same reads as almost everyone. That's lazy/busy Scum tactic if I ever saw it. Moreover, you made a push on the Grey wagon that was, as I pointed out in the above, exceedingly flexible in nature.

So yes, I think you're Scum and the push is desperation to keep that wagon going because Grey is scary to you.

(Kept the 2nd-3rd paragraphs there to show you THIS IS A POST YOU REFERENCED WTF
1. There is literally no reason to read someone's posts if they are being rude and you are unshakably convinced they're Scum.

I think I am seeing lynchbaittown!GM rather than trollweirdscum!GM here.

I really don't know why I end up like this so often.

I want to see who's familiar with how GM plays as town and scum.

I'm not sure anyone here is.
You have that one game in which I was ICScum, which isn't a good indicator of the rest of my play.
Victor has one game as well, in which he was Scum and I played the worst ICTown game of my life.
& that's it.

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oh, creature

[goodmorning]

hey creature, what do you think of rask accusing me of not backing up a tr on grey when i did it

in a post he's obviously read

[Creature]

It's an "I forgot" tell

[goodmorning]

i was hoping for something along the lines of 'it's not very polite' but ok

[goodmorning]

^joke.

What I actually mean is that it implies ridiculous confbias which implies Town. Could be trying to shoehorn a scumread onto me but Scum is probably more careful than that. Also the former jives better with my previous read.

[Creature]

Hoopla, Sotty7 or MariaR?