In post 251, goodmorning wrote: In post 228, Raskolnikov wrote:
Victors pushing things though? Saying he did less than BBT in this game is kind of a stretch.
The part I do agree with is I want him to explain his reads.
saying 'this guy is a good vote' is not pushing anything;saying 'come bandwagon this guy,' while both useless and dull, is.
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Also, Victor has yet to explain shit. Toffee at least has said he wants to bandwagon people for pressure and
spent some time on his Raskolnikov townread.
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Sure it is. First I was actually voting BBT, so while I didn't literally come out and say come bandwagon this guy I was putting pressure on him (and I wasn't the only vote on him at the time). Similarly saying I willing to vote another player is clearly an indication of my read, and gives other players a chance to see if they want to either question why I'll vote them, convince me to shift my vote, etc, etc. Saying let's have a bandwagon is simply saying let's pile votes without worrying about it. Given how early it was it doesn't even look like BBT is looking for anything particularly scummy from said player, but simply wants to get some wagons going to look like he's doing something without actually doing anything.
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Where did the underlined happen?
In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote: In post 224, goodmorning wrote:
In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.
No, she isn't. Hoopla is saying, "you've said you scumread a couple people but haven't actually explained why and that's absolute shit."
But she didn't say that. She said I wasn't sharing reads. Not sharing reads isn't the same as not explaining them. If she had actually said something like what you quoted I wouldn't be scum reading her.
She said you weren't sharing reads "
punctuated with something other than variations of "...is a good vote".
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WHAT ELSE IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?????
Again, the statement was;
In post 170, Hoopla wrote:As an aside, I don't understand the purpose of Victor and Maria declining to share reads.
However much you kick and scream, that's complaining I didn't share reads, not that I didn't explain them.
Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?
I don't know, but given that she shouldn't have HAD to ask in the first place, I don't really care.
That's not an excuse. If your town you can't expect players to hand you their alignment on a plate. If she was town, I'd expect to be trying to get more information out of me. She didn't. She attacked and left, even after I gave her an opportunity to engage with me in
175. That's not townie.
In post 241, Raskolnikov wrote:Was about to vote victor actually but his response makes me think town, and goodmorning's push on him has been weird.
Go look at his entrance again. He comes in near the end of page two, throws a completely random vote, doesn't engage with the game in any way. Try and tell me that's in any way Town.
I think that probably answers your later question.
It answers one question I have.
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VOTE: Goodmorning
In post 261, Hoopla wrote:
In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Which is the equivalent of insisting you explain yourself.
Then why didn't she just ask like Maria did?
Even when Maria asked for you to "share your reads with the class" you declined to share, so lets not pretend that you haven't had an opportunity to explain any reads.
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You've been prompted several times by different players in different ways and you haven't volunteered any explanations beyond the superficial. Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're not just being facetious, I will politely ask you for some further explanation in a direct and easy to understand way. Hopefully my request for explanation has been presented in the correct format for you to reply:
1) Why did you think BlueBloodedToffee was a good vote?
2) Who are your two strong town reads? Why are they strong town reads?
3) Why did you originally think Maria might be a good vote, and why do you think she is town now?
4) Why are you suspicious of me?
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- Nope, that question was relating to outing the two townreads I'm refusing to go into at this time not the scumreads.
1) Actually I have explained this at this point. You need to keep up.
2) I already said I'm not sharing these reads yet, for reasons I'm not going to explain either.
3) Similarly to BBT, I felt she townread rask too quickly. However I think she's town now because even after myself and her have taken heat for lack of explanation she is continuing to play that way rather than trying to adapt for towncred.
4) Again, this has been discussed in the thread. You went for attack over questioning. I'd expect a post like
261 to be the sort of thing you've have done naturally if you were town.
In post 269, CloudKicker wrote:
I come from a site where its very very hard to townslip on purpose and this was genuine. Its not alignement indicative to point said slip, you can then judge for yourself if you believe it is one or not
Mostly scum will disagree, ppl who will 100% buy it are scum pocketing you and the rest is yolo. Seriously most of the users on EM are disgustingly incompetent at mafia so i point out the slips. But i agree with the wifom.. i would never wifom like that as scum
Also, its just a non-team slip and its an obvious one
I'm not going to comment on how difficult it is to townslip on purpose on a different site because it's not relevant here. However, you can't simply argue it's not alignment indicative because your taking heat. Scum have more motivation to point to "townslips" than town. Town have less motivation to look town, and absolutely no reason to try and convince people they are not scum with a player (since they are not scum with anyone).