Now we come to one of the thorniest problems. Hoopla. I am convinced she is pretty sure/knows I am town, I am convinced she is voting me anyway despite that. Every one of her posts to me is directed at a townie. And I hate how the wagon with Jack went. "GreyICE, you need to join me, or we won't get a lynch." "GreyICE, Victor isn't happening." "Oh, the game is moving forward, good vote!" "Oh, I'm voting GreyICE over Victor". Look at posts like this:
In post 692, Hoopla wrote:Grey, you should start scumreading yourself and Jack. I think it might change BlackVoid's mind.
100% directed at town-me.
Posts like these are a huge scumtell:
In post 860, Hoopla wrote: In post 857, MariaR wrote:
It's not like we have less than 24 hours or something we have 3 days that's plenty of time to come up with a lynch I think the problem is everyones reads are very spread out
I don't think the jaack wagon is going anywhere today so I['ll go on this one
VOTE: Victor
That's the thing. People always assume we have time and that others will come around to their way of thinking before the end of deadline, which prevents people from compromising.
^Good game-forwarding vote, though
The "Good vote!" but not voting with a person thing is super hyper scum buddying. Soooooo... why might she be town despite her voting for someone she thinks is town, and acting like scum?
There's a form of toxic thought process that goes like this: "anything I'm bad at isn't important". You see it all the time. How many tech guys/computer programmers have you seen whine about all the unnecessary social stuff that happens in the office? They're bad at it = it's not important. How often have you seen people dismiss computers and treat them as meaningless because they're bad at them? Have you ever heard someone put down other majors, complain about needing to write things for science classes, or talking about how math can be done by computers in English? They're engaged in this thinking pattern. "If I can't do it, it must not be important."
Hoopla is terrible at day 1 shit. Has she degraded to the point where she's so trapped in a toxic thought loop that she's effectively playing like scum while as town? Unfortunately her last post brought up that distinct possibility.
Fortunately there's a way for me to check this. Meta dive. Calcified thinking is one of the few things that's meta diveable, because it's impossible to hide. A toxic thought process is terminating to creativity, it won't disguise itself because its incapable of doing so.
Subject: Mini Normal 1809: Game Over
Hoopla wrote:ok, i have RETURNED
i've done a quick read over the pages i've missed and the main concern i have is about the lack of serious wagons that have been generated. a lot of people are posting noise and are not attempting to further the game through their votes, which is bad given we've already used 30% of day 1's allotted time. the most important things that happen on day 1 post-claim, and we NEED time to analyse that/potentially switch and create a counterwagon or whatever else. so start voting people who are realistic wagons.
on this topic, i'm not sure what to think of elyse. initially i had her as quite town before bbmolla decided to conftown himself, and though i still find her zeal for that vote OK and not suspicious, it is concerning that she talks about willing to compromise and search for new targets yet has done nothing in the last 8 pages and STILL hasn't unvoted bbmolla despite acknowledging he isn't going to happen today.
i'm liking the composition of the vedith wagon: bbmolla, cmitc1 and house make for a fairly town trio, so i am going to jump on board given i don't have a town read on vedith.
VOTE: vedith
more to come...
And... sadly this is the same thought-terminating schlock that I see this game. Unsurprisingly Vedith was lynched day 1, unsurprisingly he was town. So I am faced with the possibility that Hoopla has simply become trapped in a toxic loop.
Now if Victor flips scum then you have to re-evaluate, because her Jack->Me slide is definite positioning play from Hoopla, and she just wrote three paragraphs trying to sell me on her being town. That's a lot of work to sell the guy you're voting for on you being town. A whole fucking lot of work for that.