Second page post about not random voting
Only thing missing is a shameless bandwagon discussion
What do you think of this wagon that's popped up?In post 61, CloudKicker wrote:lol funny, i have no idea why youd make a post avec someone null-telling with non-alignement tellings posts about mechanics. Also, whats the difference between ''much nothing at this point'' and ''neutral read'' -> isnt everyone a neutral read by default when you dont have any reads on themIn post 60, Sotty7 wrote:Happy enough with hoopla's post on Michel to have him as my first town read. Hoopla piggybacks off this with a slight town read as well, even though she probably would point this out as scum or town.
Cloud I have a neutral read since most of his posts have been about playing style but I'm hoping that's just because he is new.
Everyone else is pretty much nothing at this point.
I'm tempted but rask's case on hoopla is pretty weak I'd rather keep my vote there for now and see where it goes.In post 77, MichelSableheart wrote:
Also, looking over goodmorning's ISO, I don't see a lot there that's making me feel good about the slot. Better bandwagon then Rask, IMO.
Vote: goodmorning
@Hoopla, sotty: care to come back?
Of course I want to generate content, that's part of the reason I attempted to start two separate wagons (gm and rask) I won't make excuses for the quality of my posting (yeah, it was an empty vote) but I do think you're being a little harsh considering everything you listed here could also be ascribed to town posting. That said, I like your tone and for page five I've seen worst cases.In post 101, Jaack wrote:Of those three I think Sotty is most likely. She had an empty vote, but at the same time added a few weak reads right afterword. Seems like someone who knew their vote was not good, so they decided to put down some content so as to not get blamed for fluff. 86 also shows more self awareness about the quality of her posts.
Tell me more. Mostly how these two thoughts jive with each otherIn post 122, MariaR wrote:I'm having mixed feelings cause the first part of Scotty's post felt like BS but I agree with the BBT read
Innocent is capitalized because I was talking about a player that is in the game -> "I am Innocent" I don't blame you for missing it that, he's a lurking bum right now.In post 126, CloudKicker wrote:>I dont actually know if this is towny or considered anti-town for outing possible soft but, why using the wordcapitalized over town/townie/sided with the town ? And if this was a soft, wold you make yourself the goal to have interactions with me almost every single you have? like i feel you have 0 actuals reads on me.Innocent
Wrong game?
I didn't even notice he wasn't voting anymore. Town read downgraded.In post 225, Raskolnikov wrote:Twoface being like antisocial and giving a "fuck you" vibe doesn't get any points but it's hard to judge it from style from an alt without meta available. Him not voting anyone despite seeming to have problems with people is kind of weird to me. Would think he'd vote victor or maybe cloud at this point given the things he said.
Why were you about to vote victor? Cutting through GM's style I fnd myself agreeing with things she has posted (hoopla stuff, BBT stuff, maybe not so much Victor stuff) Why don't you come and join me on BBT instead? I know you kinda want to.In post 241, Raskolnikov wrote:Was about to vote victor actually but his response makes me think town, and goodmorning's push on him has been weird.
Someone points out why self meta is bad, you quote them and continue to self meta.In post 269, CloudKicker wrote:I come from a site where its very very hard to townslip on purpose and this was genuine. Its not alignement indicative to point said slip, you can then judge for yourself if you believe it is one or not Mostly scum will disagree, ppl who will 100% buy it are scum pocketing you and the rest is yolo. Seriously most of the users on EM are disgustingly incompetent at mafia so i point out the slips. But i agree with the wifom.. i would never wifom like that as scumIn post 263, Hoopla wrote:Usually when you point out things like this yourself they're less likely to be true than if someone else noticed it themself. Kinda like when people use the argument "I would never do X as scum", when that person has been doing X all game.In post 188, CloudKicker wrote:LOL woops btw i just townsliped that i cannot be mafia with i am innocent or i am a pro at forum mafia in my first game
Also, its just a non-team slip and its an obvious one
My problem with Rask's case on Hoopla was that he was finding Hoopla scummy for things Hoopla does all the time. Things like dice tag voting are just reaction testing things she does. He would then go on to push Hoopla's suspicion of gm which I felt was pretty obvious how strong that was. I just felt like he was missing the point by a wide mark, which is why I made the comment about not having experience with Hoopla. Other Rask's posts lately feel good though, his case on GM is kinda like his case on Hoopla, so I'm thinking that's just how he reads potential scummy behavior, more black and white and less in between the lines.In post 274, BlackVoid wrote:This reads to like you are saying that Rask's case on Hoopla is weak because Hoopla is an extremely strong town player. Unless you meant to write something and forgot, that doesn't really make sense. Can you rephrase?
Well this does make me sad. I was waiting for BBT to come back to try and get you to join with me. I was also seeing what would become of you and Victor since I am reading him different than you at this point.In post 276, Hoopla wrote:Hmmm, I feel like I have a lot of town reads and not many scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sotty7
I've felt vaguely suspicious of her for a while for reasons I can't put my finger on yet. I also feel like she's been preemptively buddying me and has ruled out the possibility of trying to read me/interact with me today.
The fact you're not voting. Again, why?
No real need for this, however true or not it might be. I answered your question as to why I liked what he said about you. Your answer obviously didn't sway me otherwise I wouldn't be voting you. I was under the impression the coin flip was a gimmick, to that end, wither you flipped a coin to stay in or out of RVS isn't important. Like you said in post Post 239 you'll have reasons to vote and unvote, you must have a reason to not be voting at the same time. Are you saying that the coin is real and you will wait until it lands were it needs to be? If that's the case I would rather you'd follow Hoopla's lead and use dice tags so at least we can see your working and fully buy into the gimmick.In post 312, TwoFace wrote:That was good? Damn you must be a shitty playerIn post 311, Sotty7 wrote:The fact you're not voting. Again, why?
I already answered him, so why did you just ask me when you should know the answer?
It all plays in. Early game it was worth a vote to see what happened. I didn't find you not having experience with Hoopla to be scummy, just something that could explain your reaction to her if you were indeed town. I really wanted to see how far you would take it and if it would become a stretch for you to keep your vote on her. You didn't try to justify your position on her as she gave you more responses to your questions. I'm happy enough with your transition away from her, hence my willingness to move away from you.In post 313, Raskolnikov wrote: Wait this is interesting, didn't notice this.
Why was missing the point or not knowing hoopla meta something scummy to you?
I got the impression you voted for gamestate or the sake of getting an early wagon, but the contrast here with "his other posts are good" implies you scumread my case on hoopla.
But I don't see how "it's wrong, you don't know her/have experience with her like I do" equates into a scumread, even though I know you said you had changed your mind since then.
Fair enough. Like I said I don't build day one votes on potential buddying because it tends to go down in flames, I don't look for buddying or bussing until we have a least one scum flip, even then I keep in mind it is something scum can and will manipulate. I was much more interested in BBT's about face with no further elaboration before dropping off the face of the earth.In post 314, BlackVoid wrote:@Sotty7, I agree with you that Rask is town now and BBT might be scum. But I'm more interested in what you were thinking at that time so I can gauge your alignment. You said BBT pushed an early wagon and panicked. I want to know what your gut reaction was then. Whether you thought he was calling off a bus or got worried about being implicated in a quick mislynch. Perhaps it's playstyle but I find it hard to have scumreads be completely independent of anything else especially when they are based off of how two people interacted with each other.
I think I addressed your questions about my twoface read. As for why switch? BBT has gone from lurking to a potential replacement candidate, not having an active scum target makes me feel extremely stagnant. My switch doesn't mean I am giving up on my BBT read I am just looking to keep push and digging up the other scum reads as well.In post 314, BlackVoid wrote:I also want to discuss your read on TwoFace. He seems very town to me. Being so sure in his scumread of Victor that it blows his mind that I disagree with him is indicative of someone who truly believes their read. I don't think the lack of voting is indicative of much if his coin-flip gimmick is something he does across games. You were leading the BBT-wagon. Why switch over from BBT before he has a chance to react?
Or if you can break down your issue with Victor into like a paragraph without the quote wall. That would be extremely helpful, cause I'm not getting it. At all. Actually I have the same request of Victor RE: his GM read as well.In post 317, Raskolnikov wrote:This is starting to get confusing.
GM can you go into your 1-2 of your other reads so I can judge them instead of this exchange?
Always try to get better, that's my motto.In post 340, Hoopla wrote:phew, it's a relief you added that emoji to help soften the blowIn post 338, TwoFace wrote: No need for what? To call you a shitty player? You said victor asking me why I wasn't voting since post 107 or whatever number was a good post. That's literally the most useless question of the game so far. So yeah that says to me that if you're town, your opinions are horrible.
sotty, you better go work on your game.
Definitely disagree, his reasoning on BBT for example is actually pretty good. The only issue I have with Victors posts is the formatting and that sometimes he leaves off the names in his quote trees which makes things even harder for bad players like myself to understand. Otherwise I know where he stands. But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.In post 338, TwoFace wrote:But let's rewind for a bit. You originally said "stuff victor said" which implies multiple things and the only thing you pointed to was 1 useless question. Where's the other "stuff"? There was no other stuff. Victor hasn't made a good post yet.
Goat thread? I did win a scummy for being scum, but that was another life time ago.In post 342, Raskolnikov wrote:I THINK I like sotty now, although it really doesn't help that I saw her mentioned in the goat thread, and now that I check again its for scumplay no less.
What topics do you think are more important? Cause you could bring them up for discussion you know.In post 356, MariaR wrote:I think all the talk about the wagon on rask itself is really a wild goose chase and talking on it is pointless because it was a RVS wagon trying to think if scum were on the wagon or not is just trying to overthink when there are much more important topics you could be talking about
Okay, now I am embarrassed.In post 361, BlackVoid wrote:Greatest Player of all time thread. Yeah, I saw that too. I almost think if Sotty7 were goat-level scum, I'd be reading her as town.
@Sotty7, what would you say is your biggest strength and weakness as scum?
Not even a tiny little thing?In post 362, TwoFace wrote:My voting had nothing to do with you.In post 357, Sotty7 wrote:But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.
Talk to me about your Michel scum read or if it even is one. You have left your vote here for a long time now with little to no pressure, why should we be lynching him?In post 368, MariaR wrote:#ForevernullMaria
I'd say this would be the strongest point on GM. The RVS thing seems like you both have different beliefs on what can and cannot be found in the opening stage of the game. I don't find that necessary scummy.In post 377, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Also, I think she slipped up when she spoke of BBT spent time on his rask townread as there's no way she reach that conclusion as town which is why she's ignored 320 and not responded to any of my points/questions.
I was calling Michel town.In post 400, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Who is the first point about?
Post 238 Has a good point how you latched onto Jaack's read of the wagon. Post 293 goes into more detail.In post 425, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What did you like?
Except this isn't what happened. I voted you for you quick push and dump on Rask then you dropped off the face of the earth and what I thought was a good meta read - these are reasons.In post 425, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Well it does, because Sotty was attempting to push a baseless scum read and instantly gave up on it when it wasn't going anywhere. She literally gave no reasons for why I was scum.
Not true. I gave my reasons and instead of staying in a holding pattern I moved over to another scum read. I fail to see how that is scummy and why I can't work with multiple scum reads at once. It would be one thing if you were active and posting but you were nowhere to be found. How exactly am I going to build a case of the three or four votes you had made in thread at the time?In post 425, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Well it does, because Sotty was attempting to push a baseless scum read and instantly gave up on it when it wasn't going anywhere. She literally gave no reasons for why I was scum.
In post 427, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This is Sotty desperately trying to hold onto a BBT scum read. She is now justifying her scum read after the fact. What was forced about my catch up?
What don't you like about my Maria vote? Are you town reading her? If so, why?
You can keep repeating it but I clearly gave reasons for my vote at the time and I wasn't trying to justify it after the case. If anything you are doing the exact same thing. You voted me with little reasoning and now have come back to justify that read.In post 119, Sotty7 wrote:I like BBT more for scum at this point. He came in with a vote on Rask to start a wagon, there were already two other players with two votes at the time Blackvoid and gm. It seems to be an attempt to sort Rask which comes quick and with no further elaboration. I would have expected more considering the history they both speak to. Feels like he started the wagon then panicked a little when it took off. I also remember BBTScum being very no nonsense cutting to the heart of the matter, were as townBBT being more open.
Unvote, Vote: BBT
I am now, mostly because of your reaction to her.In post 427, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What don't you like about my Maria vote? Are you town reading her? If so, why?
Or maybe I just haven't played with BBT for over a year and wanted more current input? I think meta can be useful if two people claim to know each other pretty well.In post 437, Raskolnikov wrote:Sotty has what sounds like a strong bbt read too but wants to lynch twoface for something that sounds a lot weaker and kind of lame. Earlier pushing of each other is reasonable to assume wouldn't go that far, given weak reasonings given at that point. Sotty asking me if his bbt meta was outdated possibly expected me to say it was
How is my wagon more viable? I still can't believe we're trying to call partners day one with no flips. I don't get it. Is bussing still that rampant on the site?In post 464, BlackVoid wrote:Sotty7 wagon seems a lot more viable than BBT at this point.
VOTE: Sotty7
To be clear, I actually think it's likely BBT and Sotty7 are partners. The MariaR theory was me just brainstorming although I wouldn't necessarily rule it out.
I decide to engage him first and I think my twoface vote did some good despite of what you think of it.In post 473, Raskolnikov wrote:Now, the vote away while BBT was inactive isn't so bad. But when you say his catchup was scummy again in 416 I kind of expected a change back, and you were even conscious of vote there given your statement to mod.
It's typical of what I expect from Michel. This stuff with Hoopla, especially Post 321 where he breaks down peoples reactions to her opening dice throw, was good. I don't agree he's wishy washy.In post 487, BlackVoid wrote:@Sotty7, the only thing you said about Michel was that's he's town for the PSA-style declaration in his opening post. Do you have an opinion on his later posting?
Odd why? Victor is town as well, I posted that reads list as I was on the way out of the door so not everyone popped into mind at the time.In post 488, TwoFace wrote:No read on victor? That's odd.In post 483, Sotty7 wrote:Town I have Michel, Rask and GM. Scum BBT, Twoface and I'm not sure on a third right now. I'd just be throwing someone random in here so I'll leave it open. Hoopla is starting to fall towards null/scum, Maria has moved up towards null/town.
Hoopla read is very odd also
What do you think of BBT's push on me?In post 489, CloudKicker wrote:Hey sotty, talk to me, i am a great read and if youre actualy town then i will defend you
I'm confused.In post 527, TwoFace wrote:When I ask you what other stuff about me, because victor didn't have any other stuff about me, you talk about unrelated stuff? Why.
To me the not voting thing it's something.In post 537, TwoFace wrote: 1. That isn't anything. he asked me a question and the question was a useless one.
2. "stuff" implies multiple things, or at the bare minimum more than 1 thing.
Victor didn't make any posts about me. He and I had a conversation answering questions and such, but he never made any negative points against me outside of me not answering his question.
so Can you please link me to the "stuff" victor supposedly said that you agreed with please.
My progression was what has hoopla done lately. I said in my post 471 that I felt like she was treading water. She did her gambit, she got her reactions but nothing really came of it. She went back and forth with victor that didn't yeild much then switched to me. I think it was rask who asked her if she was going to pressure me but nothing really came from it execpt when she said she wasn't joking with her vote. She was engaging with me but on a very light scale. That's why I poked and downgraded my readIn post 541, BlackVoid wrote:@Sotty7, while you are here, can you talk about your read on Hoopla? When there was a wagon developing on you, you said that she was starting to fall back into null/scum. That came out of the blue. What prompted that? You also didn't seem to show any interest in trying to read her earlier. When she voted you, it was just sadness. Can you go over your entire progression of your read there, where it started, how it changed and what your read is now, and talk about what specific posts caused these changes?
I'll go into more detail tonight when I can look through iso's. I have a town read on GM because some of her eariler stuff with hoopla, GM's posts struck me as funny but had substance if you looked. My jaack read is a little more fluxy. I liked his initial surge into the game but since then he has been lurky and not interested in engaging with me which makes his vote look like a bit of a place holder. He was town initially more null right now.In post 562, BlackVoid wrote:Okay. Can you also go over your reads on GM and Jaack? I have a few thoughts on them but want to see what you thought before saying. Specifically, regarding GM's interaction with BBT, and Jaack's initial vote on you.In post 559, Sotty7 wrote:My progression was what has hoopla done lately. I said in my post 471 that I felt like she was treading water. She did her gambit, she got her reactions but nothing really came of it. She went back and forth with victor that didn't yeild much then switched to me. I think it was rask who asked her if she was going to pressure me but nothing really came from it execpt when she said she wasn't joking with her vote. She was engaging with me but on a very light scale. That's why I poked and downgraded my read
It comes from a place of loveIn post 569, I Am Innocent wrote:I'm working on it I'm working on it...In post 184, Sotty7 wrote:Innocent is capitalized because I was talking about a player that is in the game -> "I am Innocent" I don't blame you for missing it that, he's a lurking bum right now.
PS - words hurt Sotty
How about your reads on jaack and Maria?In post 568, TwoFace wrote:I need to get a handle on some other people. Who should I start with first? Any suggestions?
Jaack was on my mind after my convo with BV and you had just asked for a case on me and BBT when it's pretty much what the thread is full of right now.In post 577, MariaR wrote:Why these 2 in particular?In post 575, Sotty7 wrote:How about your reads on jaack and Maria?In post 568, TwoFace wrote:I need to get a handle on some other people. Who should I start with first? Any suggestions?
1. I wanted to get a reaction. I got one.In post 542, TwoFace wrote:1. Who are you to tell me how to play?
2. How can you even tell me to vote my biggest scum read when I said in posts 242/243 that I don't have any reads. Which means I didn't have a "biggest scum read" to vote? I even said when I have reads I would vote which makes your comment to me very shallow.
Reading through GM's ISO I still get lost in her back and forth with Victor. The whole thing just kinda washes over me and doesn't leave me with a strong impression either way. Her early town read of Rask and Two face is good, where she talks about "scum are more likely to get the subtly" I think is a good point that she didn't have to bring to the table at the time. She does leave her BBT read swinging in the wind opting instead to push on Victor, who I think is very likely town. Looks like she is cutting BBT slack that he quite honestly doesn't deserve and I think your push to ask her to detail why me over BBT is a pretty good one, but her early game play minus the Victor stuff is good.In post 562, BlackVoid wrote:Okay. Can you also go over your reads on GM and Jaack? I have a few thoughts on them but want to see what you thought before saying. Specifically, regarding GM's interaction with BBT, and Jaack's initial vote on you.
I'd like a BBT read too, I don't see anything detailed in your ISO about him. Just saying you wouldn't vote him before he came back from his prod. Anything changed? What do you think of him being my competing wagon and the composition of those wagons?In post 568, TwoFace wrote:I need to get a handle on some other people. Who should I start with first? Any suggestions?
Fair enough, I was getting greedy.In post 586, TwoFace wrote:Now you're getting greedy. Plus giving reads on 4 people is getting close to reads list.
How about i just reread the thread and I'll add a couple of names into the possible scum pile. Who I'm town/null reading aren't really necessary
I think I have addressed you v Victor a lot actually. I mean what more do you want from me? I think you were barking up the wrong tree. Surface activity point is junk though I've generated plenty of content and I'm trying to disengage from a possible tunnel.In post 588, goodmorning wrote:-response to Face is bad
-asked me and Victor to condense reads on each other; didn't follow up when I did this, vaguely commented on like one line of Victor's
-support for entering Toffee wagon shallow (which I was pretty indifferent to (366)), continued reasoning on Toffee shallow (which I am much less indifferent to)
-projects a lot of what I think of as 'surface activity' which is basically looking like you're posting content, but not actually posting content. A good way to do this is to seize up on little things or get into a tunnel battle.
Break it down why he's scum then. The only person who has put any real effort into a Victorscum read was GM and it wasn't very a strong case.In post 621, MariaR wrote:Wtf is it with the strong victor townreads o-o
Exactly. No effort being spent to dig up leads or develop reads.In post 623, VictorDeAngelo wrote:So you don't want to move your own vote because you don't think it would be useful off of either of the major wagons.
But you also question people won't move their votes off of a major wagon onto you.
Somewhat contradictory isn't it?
I was about to be down with a IAI vig shot but the Jaack idea is insanely better. They both make excellent targets.In post 636, BlackVoid wrote:Yeah, I think vigging IAI is a pretty horrible idea. If he's been busy irl and hasn't posted till now, it makes sense that once he posts more, we should be able to get a read on him. So far, his two scumreads match nicely with mine which is enough to give a slight townlean. If anyone should be vigged for low contribution, it should be Jaack.
I get were you're coming from, but there are a lot of people right now who are scum reading Grey and Jaack. Slipping in with the crowd here creates very few ripples in the pond. I'm skeptical, at least until I hear more about how he got to where he is.In post 678, BlackVoid wrote:When IAI has the same scumreads as me, I'm more inclined to believe IAI is town and "gets it" than that he's scum, and my entire view of the game is flawed. That I should chuck it out and start anew because a guy who was too busy to post during the first week of the game has now caught up and agreed with me.
I think the fact that Victor was more willing to leave GM than GM has been willing to leave her one vote on him show more townie cred than otherwise. He realized that GM wasn't going to happen a few people were town reading her, and he moved on. It wasn't like suspicion from him on your slot is out of the blue so switching there makes a lot more sense than say GM plowing along with her vote Victor while saying she is willing to vote either wagon. The vig stuff could easliy, yet again, be another issue on play style. I really don't find that scummy. At that point why would he suggest a vig shoot GM anyway? It's clear he has no support there anyway.In post 693, GreyICE wrote:So early on Victor was getting significant pressure. A feud with GoodMorning, several votes, people pushing him, etc. He had to defend himself. Then it tapered off. What did Victor do? He tapered off. It's not like any of his comments were particularly insightful or probing earlier, but after the town read? He didn't try and sell a single person on voting GoodMorning. He just was happy to leave his vote there until the "oh gee, I guess I better join the wagon under duress".
Okay. Lets try this then. You're the only vote on Victor, what would you say would be the most compelling reason that he is scum. The entrance into the game point you made I don't agree with. He's moved on from interacting with Hoopla. What about his other stances makes him scum? Did you think his BBT/Grey vote was scummy?In post 694, goodmorning wrote:@Sotty: I disagree, as is probably obvious. I'm not really looking to have an argument about it and wouldn't have even bothered posting any of that had I not been directly asked. I've been pretty averse to pushing weakish wagons on players who are probably better than me since NY169.
I was getting ready to switch to Jaack but Grey's vote on Victor stops that dead in it's tracks. I'm staying right were I am.In post 746, I Am Innocent wrote:Jack is a really good vote that hoopla, maria, blackvoid, myself have all expressed suspicion of...yet votes victor.
When GI flips scum jack is next.
I asked Rask's opionon of my BBT meta which was from awhile back. She said I was wrong I said okay, let me wait for BBT to post more and we can take it from there. Nothing contradictory.In post 754, Jaack wrote:This feels contradictory. Her case on BBT was a good part meta, but after Rask sort of argues against that (209), sotty wants to simultaneously drop discussion of BBT's meta while also getting Rask to vote?
Okay that's just blatantly untrue. I push Twoface hard and we have an extensive back and forth that could have easily became a death tunnel. I am interacting and questioning twoface who starts off answering me and then just really falls back to insulting and taking pot shots at me. I pushed his voting behavior, I asked him for several reads a couple of pages back that he still hasn't provided. What would you consider "pushing a scum read"? Vote them then disappear for several pages and never interacting or questioning them again like you have been doing with me?In post 754, Jaack wrote:But in that interim, she does very little to push on that TwoFace vote.
I waited, he posted a little, I interacted with him he then replaced out. I still don't see it.In post 800, Jaack wrote:The contradiction is that you push rask to vote BBT immediately after saying you'll wait and allow BBT to post more.
I don't know what your getting at, but there is a pretty big wagon on you at this point. If you're talking about the nightless game, I have scrubed a lot of that from my memory, but I can go back and read that. If your not talking about that you're going to have to hold my hand.In post 801, GreyICE wrote:Hey Sotty, a bunch small number of people are attacking me viciously. What does this remind you of?In post 788, Hoopla wrote:Grey, if you value your own survival, you'd be voting Jack about here.
He just admitted part of his reasoning for suspecting me was wrong, the rest of his reasoning is pretty junk as well, but brick wall, head and so on.In post 803, TwoFace wrote:He's sharing my reads for the most point. his sotty push is good. Scum wagons especially early have the most resistance and I don't see more resistance to a wagon than the one sotty has had. Sotty's contribution is bland which makes the resistance to his wagon odd. Makes me think somebody who's town read hard is scum with him. Hence why I'm thinking it's you. You abandoned your vote on sotty for bad reasons which means your vote was for show. He got to 4 and you decided to hop over to an easy target.In post 799, Hoopla wrote:Why do you think Jack is town exactly?
Oh my bad. I must have missed before. My line of thinking was that I might be wrong about meta but there could still be scum here come join me. I don't agree that's contradictory especially early game trying to build a wagon.
I thought you were saying lamest before, but that's not what that is right? What does LAMIST mean?In post 809, TwoFace wrote:People are writing off sotty's interactions with me but its single handily the most scummiest thing to happen. It reaks of LAMIST while not even helping progress the game.
Fair enough, Grey did just join you. I'm just trying to engage you when it comes to Victor to try and understand where you're coming from. I could be wrong, it won't be the first time and sadly not the last time. When I have different reads from someone who I read as town I want to see if maybe I'm missing something. "I don't want to help you look like you are doing something" but maybe help yourself? I'm looking at your Victor vote like Jaack's vote on me, stuck back on page 5 or whatever when all this other stuff has happened in the game that should have strengthened or weakened your point. Instead your just content to sit on there. I don't get it.In post 811, goodmorning wrote:A. I am not the only vote on Victor.
B. I am not interested in helping you look like you're doing more than you are.
C. Does the fact that the misrep was in the past make it not a misrep?
D. I am clearly not going to be able to convince you on this and I really don't want to try.
E. Is there something about the vote that I should find particularly scummy? And why ask me about that in particular?
What do you think about his back and forth with Maria when she has her vote on him asking her why she didn't "engage him"?In post 817, BlackVoid wrote:Now, for his Sotty7 vote. I found that Jaack in general doesn't actively spend a lot of time and effort pushing his scumreads. He's content leaving his vote in what he thinks is a good place and just responding to questions if they ask him any. So, that's null too.
I think your slot is scum yeah. I don't like the Victor vote and I am of the same mind of Hoopla when it comes to putting your vote there instead of on Jaack. You came in all guns blazing but your vote doesn't match your bluster, in that I think you could have swung a Jaack flash wagon. I hell I probably would have joined you over there. Instead your kicking your heels on Victor that isn't going to go anywhere. That's not the Grey I remember.In post 821, GreyICE wrote:Oh? You honestly think I'm scum here? I don't give a fuck about BBT, do you think I'm scum?
I can't link right now but posts 658 and 662 are him asking Maria why she wouldn't engage him. It feels like a push that doesn't match his behavior. Rask I have as town right now,he just started to drift into the background. Is this part of the reason you are scum reading him?In post 829, BlackVoid wrote:I'm not sure what are asking. Can you rephrase this?In post 827, Sotty7 wrote:What do you think about his back and forth with Maria when she has her vote on him asking her why she didn't "engage him"?
In other news, I was hoping to get your take on Rask since we see eye to eye on GreyICE/BBT. I think he's the most likely partner. Can you also explain your townread on MariaR?
I'm also curious whether you think I'm missing something so commenting on my reads as a whole would be nice, especially the null reads. I think the third partner to GreyICE and Rask is in there. I just can't figure out who yet.
Reads
Town: Victor, IAI, Sotty7, TwoFace, goodmorning, Jaack, Cloud
Null: Hoopla, MariaR, Michel's slot
Scum: GreyICE, Rask
She unvoted and gave you time which you used to vote victor. I wouldn't call that discouraging.In post 834, GreyICE wrote:In post 599, Hoopla wrote:Welcome old friend, but your slot is on the ropes. There's no shame in phoning it in if you're scum and hanging out in the dead thread. I'll be there after N1 to come and reminisce about days gone by.In post 598, GreyICE wrote:Hi friends. How goes? I saw the player list and replaced in without reading anything else.We can see from minute 1 that she's been discouraging me from posting or giving my thoughts on the game, because she's pretty convinced she has this one tied up.In post 743, Hoopla wrote:This has been a good hustle by Grey so far. He's really doing his slot proud, but I'm still not sold on Victor scum, sooooo I'm just gonna chill on the Jack wagon for a while...
You mean the same players who keep complaining about a lack of counter wagon but aren't really doing anything to generate said counter wagon? At least they have something going with the Victor wagon now I suppose even if I disagree. I just really hate the world view of "this is too easy" without really rallying anyone to any kind of flag.In post 905, BlackVoid wrote:@Sotty7, since you seem so sure GreyICE is scum, you are not concerned about any of the players trying to derail his wagon? As for my reads, I'll break this down by player.
For one you overstated the inevitability of a Jaack lynch, we can see that with hindsight. Several people were willing to move over but it never really surfaced. If we're going to talk about counter wagons, that one had the potential to explode and yet it didn't. The meta thing could be a good point, I just find his poking on Maria about why she didn't engage him to be a little disparate and it doesn't match with his "world view". I have asked him a couple of times why he hasn't engaged me and he keeps shrugging it off as if it's nothing about nothing, why is he so keen to get an answer from Maria? Doesn't add up to me.In post 905, BlackVoid wrote:Jaack: He was hypocritical but I don't think hypocrisy is scummy. What do you think about the points I made in 817?
I'll give you this point. The counter wagon point holds no weight with me considering they have a band of players that could have done something about that by now. Why are you town reading Cloud?In post 905, BlackVoid wrote:MariaR: Really dislike the constant refrain of "if GreyICE is town, doesn't it bother anyone that there isn't a counterwagon." It seems like a twisted argument because she's using that to create a counterwagon. We could flip the question and ask why there's so much resistance to the GreyICE wagon that we've got first you, then Jaack, then Victor as counterwagons. Looks like a pathos-driven argument that's coming from someone who wants to push an agenda.
Did you look at twoface's reason for his initial vote on me? He is voting me for my use of the word stuff. He repeated this reasoning in a recent post and it's just awful. Since then he has just sat on my wagon and thrown out more crap about the counter wagon (something you are scum reading Maria for) and done very little to attempt to read me. I've asked him for reads that aren't me and he still hasn't delivered. Scum can very easy fake anger here while wasting a vote and not moving it. There is an active counter starting now with Victor. Where is Twoface's vote? Still on me.In post 905, BlackVoid wrote:TwoFace: The way he's pushing his reads, first Victor, now you. TwoFace being so sure that you are scum that he's close to the point of giving up looks sincere to me and his worldview of a Sotty7-based scumteam and frustration with the counterwagons makes sense.