Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Raskolnikov]

If anything you have given up on your GM vote once one one reacted to your big case and are jumping all over me for what exactly?

Yeah, I gave up on gm pretty easily, huh?

[Sotty7]

Yes.

Or Normal Review Group. But those might be the same thing.

I googled it as well and the only option I found was Energy so I was wondering if it was some hip kid way of supporting my wagon but you clarified so we're good.

[Sotty7]

If anything you have given up on your GM vote once one one reacted to your big case and are jumping all over me for what exactly?

Yeah, I gave up on gm pretty easily, huh?

The switch to me was done pretty easily with little to no reasoning. You saw your out and you took it.

[goodmorning]

I don't actually think my wagon is that unlikely at this stage so...

[Sotty7]

Maybe. There was a lot of underground support for you though. I the same vein there was for me, which has changed now obvisouly, but for hoopla as well.

[goodmorning]

I don't think it's 'was' at all.

[Raskolnikov]

Nope. You're suggesting I could have done more on gm, after walls and walls day after day with it not having gone anywhere. That doesn't work. I was literally the only one left voting at the end.

[goodmorning]

I'm sorry, do you feel like you're wasting your breath?

[goodmorning]

Do you think maybe you'd like to stop pushing your scumread because there's nothing more you can say?

[goodmorning]

I wonder who might have had the same feeling in this very game...

[Raskolnikov]

And now you're representing what I put into pushing you as the same as the almost nothing you did to push victor.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm sorry, do you feel like you're wasting your breath?

Do you think maybe you'd like to stop pushing your scumread because there's nothing more you can say?

Scum gloating.

[goodmorning]

I'm trying to convince you that your scumread on me is based in non-indicative things.


Admittedly I'm being a bit of a dick about it at this point.

[Raskolnikov]

If you're town why are you even that concerned about my read while you're in no current danger of being lynched? Why would you rather gloat to me than do anything to push hoopla? What are you expecting to accomplish right now?

You straight up don't play to town wincon. If you're town that just happens to have the same priorities as scum (surviving, not rocking the boat), look act and think like scum in your position would, but aren't scum, then I don't even know.

[goodmorning]

I don't have any other point on Hoopla. People can take it or leave it. I'm not going to say the same thing over and over again and expect different results; that's the definition of insanity.

Not rocking the boat?? Are you actually serious?????????

[Raskolnikov]

How have you rocked the boat. I don't think doubting mason claim really counts.

[goodmorning]

My reads don't really align at all with the majority, and I keep touching on them all rather than focusing on one.

[BlackVoid]

@GM, could you explain your townread on Rask and why you don't like Sotty7's wagon?

Right now, the way I'm seeing it is that scum get pressured and her partners (two out of Hoopla, Rask, MariaR) start up a counterwagon because they don't want to bus which makes me more confident she's scum. So, if you could explain what you think is going on, that would be nice.

[Raskolnikov]

Strong Town: Raskolnikov, BlackVoid, MariaR
Weak Town: Jaack, CloudKicker
Scum: Hoopla, VictorDeAngelo, I Am Innocent, Sotty7

This is all pretty common apart from the victor scumread. IAI isn't as much commonly scumread as he was yesterday, but I don't think it's a controversial position to hold either.

[BlackVoid]

Also, nothing about Sotty7's response to the wagon was town. Someone should give intent so we get a claim to assess.

[Sotty7]

What about my response is scum? Blanket statements like that ring very hallow. I get trying to drum up support, but you're going to have to back that up.

[goodmorning]

slightly too busy having a meltdown to answer Qs atm

[Sotty7]

Raskolnikov (1)Sotty7
goodmorning (1) Hoopla
BlackVoid (1)MariaR
Hoopla (1)goodmorning
Sotty7 (5)BlackVoid , Jaack , Creature, I Am Innocent, Raskolnikov,
Creature (1) VictorDeAngelo
Not Voting (1), CloudKicker

This is where we are at unofficially. Blackvoid and Jaack are the only two "legit" votes on me. Blackvoid is pushing based off where my votes have been (voting for people who suspect me) despite my explanations and the fact that Twoface only started suspecting me

after

I voted him. Jaack's vote is based off reasons that date back to day one that I still think are pretty suspect. Blackvoid is a strong town read of mine, I do like his logical thinking and our reads tend to match up everywhere else. I think he has settled on me lately and has done very little to pressure me in any shape just resorting to banging the drum. Jaack I suspected pretty hard day one, but that has dampened a bit today. I'm not quite ready to say town, but he's not as hard scum as I thought yesterday.

Creature's vote is extremely empty. He says he doesn't remember anything I did in the game. This is pretty bullshit because even if you don't agree with my pushes I have been a focal point in this game for one reason or another. He has used this excuse to slip onto my wagon all but undetected. Likely scum motivation here as there is very little reasoning to his actions.

IAI is all over the map. I goaded him into placing his vote but he still doesn't seem very convinced, his reasoning is vague and is based off things I simply can't defend. It feels like more of a bandwagon vote to make it look like he is doing something while hedging his bets.

Rask is voting me because ??? I'm really not sure. Doesn't think I am the mason buddy, I guess? Abandoned the GM vote that was going nowhere to put me to L-1 even though all his focus is still on GM.

I think this wagon has swelled off the back off initial BVtown push that has fallen to the wayside since. The idea that I might have to claim because of lazy votes pushing me to lynch for little reason is really starting to piss me off. I keep trying to push my points but are making extremely little headway with very few in the player base willing to to interact with me. I could be extra cranky right now, because I just woke up from a nap to the election map from hell, but I really don't think this wagon has any real force behind it or reason behind it to show why I am scum.

[Sotty7]

Read wise this is where I am at in order:

Town: Victor, BV,GM
Null to town: Maria, Hoopla
Null to scum: Jaack, Cloud
Scum: Rask, Creature, IAI

Jaack and cloud are a lot closer to scum than null. Maria is a lot closer to town than null. Hoopla is nicely in the middle of null and town.

As fair warning I will be gone all of the day tomorrow again. It's bad timing, but my job put me in a month training class at the last minute so I won't be able to real time respond until around 6ish CST tomorrow evening. I also have to try and sleep for real now.

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 2.04

Raskolnikov (1)

Sotty7 ,

goodmorning (1)

Hoopla ,

Creature (1)

VictorDeAngelo ,

BlackVoid (1)

MariaR ,

I Am Innocent (1)

goodmorning ,

Hoopla (1)

goodmorning

Sotty7 (5)

BlackVoid , Jaack , Creature , I Am Innocent , Raskolnikov L-1,

Not Voting (1)

CloudKicker ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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