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I've been following this game since GreenNope was being replaced.
I'm fine with where my vote is. Would also be willing to proxy my vote to Jester-
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Had I replaced in when I first asked, I'd have voted you Your early game was complete shit.In post 338, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, so you townread Jester and scumread Manuel. How about sharing some more reads?
I'm fighting that urge because your content has improved lately, but I'm still sus.
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And you should know better than to be voting Rhaz.In post 340, VictorDeAngelo wrote:In post 335, CCC wrote:
I agree with you. But I can easily see a Town player disagreeing.In post 329, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Ok, we're nearly there. Two things:
1) It's post 90. There's often not a lot of scumhunting from anyone in any game at this point.
Yeah... I wouldn't count either of those posts as 'pushing', either. But if they are, then anyone who could conceivably be pushed so early in the game would be low hanging fruit, surely?In post 329, VictorDeAngelo wrote:2) The low handing fruit part is entirely unfounded. There's no evidence of either snake or Gerry being low hanging fruit, and it's a stretch to think Manuel could have formed that this early. And that's if we were being incredible generous describing one or both of posts 84 could be considered as pushing (I don't think they are and I'm somewhat skeptical that a town player would form that conclusion).1
Possible completions include:In post 329, VictorDeAngelo wrote:All in all, the sentence doesn't line up with what's happened in the game. Instead it sounds like a nice set of buzzwords for why someone could be scum. And a disingenuous reason for voting is an idication of ____.
1) Lack of sleep
2) Poor communication abilities
3) Poor reasoning abilities
4) Typos
5) ...
Alright, I get that the completion you'relookingfor is Mafia. And it can be. Or it can be a sign of over-eagerness, or of a village idiot, or, or, or...2
I just think that one comment is a frightfully thin thing to hang an entire scum case on.1.No. Being pushed in the early game does not imply your low hanging fruit. And if it did then Rhazh vote becomes a player didn't do a lot of scumhunting and he pushed some players. So despite your best efforts, you really can't defend this.
2.Sure, technically anything scummy could explained away any number of ways. Perhaps he was tired and completely misunderstood the gamestate. Perhaps he didn't the communication skills to say what he meant so instead he said something different. Maybe he simply misspelt.... no sorry it's too late for me to even find an implausible finish to that sentence.
I don't see any value in continuing this discussion further. You seem to willing ignore your own analyse of the posts (since you state repeatedly that you agree with my assessment of Manuel posts), and instead inexplicable willing to give Rhahz the benefit of the doubt that he must have read them differently, and subsequently it's plausible this all came a townie place even if no one will explain precisely how.
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I guess we'll see after I'm dead.In post 343, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Well, I'll just unvote now then... wait a sec. Are you trying to trick me House?-
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Please explain eager and Gamma?In post 345, Huntress wrote:Vote: CCC
My other scum reads at the moment are eager and gamma, with Rhaz/House a little lower.-
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Also, why a vanity vote on CCC instead of voting me if I'm among your scum reads?In post 345, Huntress wrote:Vote: CCC
My other scum reads at the moment are eager and gamma, with Rhaz/House a little lower.
I'd have expected a case if you were going to seriously vote CCC instead of joining my wagon.-
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Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh
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Especially if you don't have to assess them.
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You don't even know how Huntress came to that opinion, so why are you so quick to defend her?
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Also, why are you not curious about her unexplained scum read on you?
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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
If you want my vote to move, tell me how you aren't scum blatantly white knighting Huntress.-
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Yet you felt the need to state a common observation that has absolutely nothing to do with you aloud?In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was pointing out the error in your logic, defending her was just part of that. I'm a little curious about why Huntress scumreads me, but I don't really think that was something I had to say out loud.-
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Who are you to assume what I don't get?In post 356, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well it's not common if you didn't get it.
You seem to make a lot of assumptions, for that matter.
That's the problem with trying to read people without interacting with them. Not everybody thinks the way you do, so your assumptions of their motives are irrelevant.-
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@Huntress, in waiting for answers. I won't be distracted by this ridiculous attempt at a diversion from Gamma.-
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EBWOPIn post 358, House wrote:@Huntress, I'm waiting for answers. I won't be distracted by this ridiculous attempt at a diversion from Gamma.-
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[quote="In post 354, Gamma Emerald"]I was pointing out the error in your logic, defending her was just part of that.I'm a little curious about why Huntress scumreads me, but I don't really think that was something I had to say out loud.[/quote]
How else would she know that you were curious about the read? Are you a telepath? Or is she?-
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FixedIn post 361, House wrote:
How else would she know that you were curious about the read? Are you a telepath? Or is she?In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was pointing out the error in your logic, defending her was just part of that.I'm a little curious about why Huntress scumreads me, but I don't really think that was something I had to say out loud.-
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Read above. When you don't interact with people, you wind up making assumptions about them. Those assumptions then affect your ability to read them because people don't think alike.In post 360, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you think someone has to interact with someone to assess them? I don't think that's true because just because someone never spoke with you doesn't mean they never spoke.
Interacting with people is important for coming to understand the WHY, which is infinitely more important than simply seeing the WHAT.
No. You white knighted Huntress out of the blue when I had no interest in talking to you. YOU did this.In post 360, Gamma Emerald wrote: PEdit: YOU TOLD ME TO DEFEND MYSELF. YOU ARE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.-
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Another assumption.In post 363, Gamma Emerald wrote:I figured she'd explain it later. I didn't think I needed to ask.
And why would she explain later? Would she magically know you wanted her to?-
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I'd your initial intention was not to defend Huntress, what was it? To simply be a smartass? How does that help town?In post 366, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well you can also see the why from other people's interactions. I guess I did cause this tangent, though. And I wasn't whiteknighting. That was a byproduct of my initial intention.-
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Another assumption.In post 366, Gamma Emerald wrote:PEdit: I figured she'd explain it later becausethat's what people do: explain their reads.
If someone isn't asked about their reads, they generally don't bother explaining them.-
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Obviously not, if players can simply come in and plop down scumreads without being asked why.In post 370, Gamma Emerald wrote:NO, part of making reads is explaining them, regardless of someone asking.
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General note:
Actions in themselves mean nothing. Anything town can do, scum can do. Anything scum does, town also does!
The trick is understanding WHY those actions were done.
Agent Smith Clone 1: It is purpose that created us.
Agent Smith Clone 2: Purpose that connects us.
Agent Smith Clone 3: Purpose that pulls us.
Agent Smith Clone 4: That guides us.
Agent Smith Clone 5: That drives us.
Agent Smith Clone 6: It is purpose that defines us.
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Or in the words of the Merovingian....
Causality. There is no escape from it, we are forever slaves to it. Our only hope, our only peace is to understand it, to understand the `why.’-
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Apparently it means you either don't know what you're doing or your simply scum trying to sideline me from my interest in Huntress for some reason.In post 375, Gamma Emerald wrote:And this means...?
Either way, I won't be dissuaded by your sophomoric posturing.-
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What ulterior motive might town have?In post 80, eagerSnake wrote: This, however, can only be a few things:
A lazy town
A scum
A town with an ulterior motive
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You'll learn... Abrasive House is Town House.In post 378, Grendel wrote:Hello House.
I'm surprised you subbed into a game with me. Going off that mini we were in together I thought you didn't like me. Or at the very least thought I was an awful player.
Which would be fair since I was scum reading you for your abrasive attitude. Sorry about that one.
Scum House is much friendlier.
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I don't have a handle on Gerry yet, but I can get behind a Manuel and Gamma team (from individual reads, not associatives).In post 382, Grendel wrote:I think that the slot you've inherited is probably town. It was between Rhazhbash and Gerry for a while, and ultimately I have disliked Gerry's play much more.
Trouble is that I don't really think GerryxGamma makes a lot of sense.
B/c I really doubt scum would overtly buddy one another D1. What is your opinion there?
I think what I'm looking at is ManuelxGerryxGamma scum team by defuelt due to them being my strongest scum reads. Manuel and Gerry make a lot of sense imo. I may need to look into more possibilites later though.
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Thanks. I'm glad that what happened there didn't expand past that game. I felt pretty bad about it later.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking scum would never do something.
I've powerlynched many a townie because "all the scum would never vote the same wagon".
I've lolhammer as scum and gotten away with it because "scum world never draw that much attention to themselves".
Don't do that. It's bad.
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@Grendel: What is your read on Square?
If Manuel flips red, I'll be rather interested in him.In post 254, Manuel87 wrote:I dont like how Square world playes but its not a reason to lynch him.-
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What was the point in calling it out if it's NAI?In post 385, eagerSnake wrote:I said that Victor's 74 could come from scum or town,-
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Liking eager for town.-
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I get a jealousy vibe from this post.In post 72, gerryoat wrote:Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have
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If That made "the worst post so far", and "repeated what you said", what does that say about what you said?In post 100, gerryoat wrote:
i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.In post 87, RhazhBash wrote:The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.
Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.-
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This looks contrived.In post 158, gerryoat wrote:Wtf is up with all this meta?? Literally everyone has just been talking about meta for the last 2 pages. Focus on this game
First, you complain that everything is null. Then you complain that people refer to meta.
If everything is null, what else is there to read someone by? I can certainly understand branching out to meta as a natural progression when the game content has not been helpful.-
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That was Gamma regarding CCC, though.In post 393, eagerSnake wrote:Yeah we also had the reverse side of that jealousy:
In post 118, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why did NO ONE call him out for the reasons they called me out?In post 49, CCC wrote:Newbie games have nine players, two of whom are Mafia. Here we have eleven players.
Three mafia sounds about right to me.
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Although it generally goes against site meta to townread your team as scum, I can see someone new to the site not wanting to implicate their buddies.In post 159, Gamma Emerald wrote:My Reads-
Town:
VictorDiAngelo- His posting style is pretty refreshing, and after looking over his ISO, that comment about statements holding up isn’t that bad.
Grendel- As said before, he doesn’t do this as scum, but he’s only been scum once on both sites he plays on, so I may be way off base here. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Manuel87- He seems to be playing honestly.
Gerryoat- He has been a voice of reason so far for this game.
Scum:
RhazhBash- hasn’t really posted anything of substance other than 135, I feel.
CCC- I mentioned the part about him being consistent on scumteam size as well, but here’s the interesting part: he attacked me for my comments about it. Got anything to say for yourself, bud?
EagerSnake- He seems to be deflecting what people say quite a bit.
Null:
TheJester- I’ve seen a mixture of Eager’s deflecting and Gerry’s being the voice of reason in this one.
Insufficient Participation:
GreenNope- hasn’t posted once.
SquareWorld- only posted twice, and they were small.
With all of this in mind, I think I know who I want to vote for.
VOTE: CCC
These two townreads look extremely superficial, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if one or both were scum with him if he flips red.-
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Fixed for clarityIn post 396, House wrote:
Although it generally goes against site meta to townread your team as scum, I can see someone new to the site not wanting to implicate their buddies.In post 159, Gamma Emerald wrote:My Reads-
Town:
VictorDiAngelo- His posting style is pretty refreshing, and after looking over his ISO, that comment about statements holding up isn’t that bad.
Grendel- As said before, he doesn’t do this as scum, but he’s only been scum once on both sites he plays on, so I may be way off base here. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Manuel87- He seems to be playing honestly.
Gerryoat- He has been a voice of reason so far for this game.
Scum:
RhazhBash- hasn’t really posted anything of substance other than 135, I feel.
CCC- I mentioned the part about him being consistent on scumteam size as well, but here’s the interesting part: he attacked me for my comments about it. Got anything to say for yourself, bud?
EagerSnake- He seems to be deflecting what people say quite a bit.
Null:
TheJester- I’ve seen a mixture of Eager’s deflecting and Gerry’s being the voice of reason in this one.
Insufficient Participation:
GreenNope- hasn’t posted once.
SquareWorld- only posted twice, and they were small.
With all of this in mind, I think I know who I want to vote for.
VOTE: CCC
These two townreads look extremely superficial, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if one or both were scum with him if he flips red.-
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Why does my line of questioning on another player bother you to the point that you feel the need to intervene?In post 369, Gamma Emerald wrote:My initial intention was to say "that's not entirely necessary" about interacting with people before assessing them.-
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Regardless of your opinion on its necessity, why not allow it to play out and offer your opinion after the interaction?In post 405, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because I thought it was unnecessary.
Garciaing my question only serves to implicate yourself by inhibiting scum hunting, regardless of how you personally feel about it.-
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Please tell me why CCC and Square are scum.In post 407, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thank you for the suggestion. I will do that from now on.
Assume I know nothing of the game or your opinions and need it spelled out like a six year old.
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Why did Square's posts after your initial rewards list not feel like they were coming from town? Remember, I know nothing of your opinion and need it fed to me in toddler sized bites.In post 410, Gamma Emerald wrote:CCC: He was hypocritical about the scumteam size. I don't really scumread him as much as I did, but it's still there.
Square: when he started posting after my initial reads list, his posts didn't feel like they were coming from town.-
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Of I sound condescending, that is not my intention btw. I am just trying to be very clear about the detail I need in order to understand your viewpoint.-
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EBWOPIn post 412, House wrote: If I sound condescending, that is not my intention btw. I am just trying to be very clear about the detail I need in order to understand your viewpoint.-
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My read on Gamma isn't concrete. I'm considering the possibility that he just might be town.In post 408, Grendel wrote:Yeah, I think Manuel and Gamma fit together too. Uh, I can think of an associative, but I'll have to dig for it b/c I have can't remember exactly when/where it was said now.-
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In post 391, House wrote:
I get a jealousy vibe from this post.In post 72, gerryoat wrote:Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have
Did it bother you that Gamma got a townread for something you also did? If so, why?
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/poke gerryIn post 392, House wrote:
If Rhaz made "the worst post so far", and "repeated what you said", what does that say about what you said?In post 100, gerryoat wrote:
i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.In post 87, RhazhBash wrote:The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.
Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.-
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Are you going to answer my question?In post 424, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay. I'll consider the possibility of 2 mafia from now on.-
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In post 411, House wrote:
Why did Square's posts after your initialIn post 410, Gamma Emerald wrote:CCC: He was hypocritical about the scumteam size. I don't really scumread him as much as I did, but it's still there.
Square: when he started posting after my initial reads list, his posts didn't feel like they were coming from town.rewardsreads list not feel like they were coming from town? Remember, I know nothing of your opinion and need it fed to me in toddler sized bites.-
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Is skepticism scummy?In post 428, Gamma Emerald wrote:Square seems to be trying to doubtcast pretty much everyone. I've noticed he did this to people attacking Rhazh(the one before you int your slot) quite a bit.-
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Sure, will do tonight.In post 429, Manuel87 wrote:@House: you have pointed your finger at me 4 times now but shifted your vote to someone als and never explained your scumread on me. Care to enlighten me?-
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Fair point.In post 436, gerryoat wrote:
Because at that point, it had already been said like 5 times. He kept repeating what others had said, it seemed like he was trying to blend in slowly by copying what others would say. It wasn't so much the content, but the situation. At the moment, it felt scummy to me, because it seemed like he was trying to just do the same.In post 418, House wrote:
/poke gerryIn post 392, House wrote:
If Rhaz made "the worst post so far", and "repeated what you said", what does that say about what you said?In post 100, gerryoat wrote:
i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.In post 87, RhazhBash wrote:The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.
Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.-
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What I saw wasn't as incriminating as I first suspected, hence the vote shift. It was a product of skimming to refresh on content that i hadn't read in a few days after my original requested slot was filled.In post 429, Manuel87 wrote:@House: you have pointed your finger at me 4 times now but shifted your vote to someone als and never explained your scumread on me. Care to enlighten me?
Upon review, I'm actually pretty happy with the pushing you've done this far.
One thing I'd like to know, though... why did you feel it was necessary to unvote simply because rvs was over?-
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Okay, will read up on him and see if I can see what you see.In post 433, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No, but his manner of doing it feels scummy.In post 430, House wrote:
Is skepticism scummy?In post 428, Gamma Emerald wrote:Square seems to be trying to doubtcast pretty much everyone. I've noticed he did this to people attacking Rhazh(the one before you int your slot) quite a bit.-
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Square seems to me to be getting static because people don't like his playstyle.
I don't plan to vote there at this point, because he is pushing people and developing reads. Even if he's not explaining them right this second, he's locked into stances that he will need to explain once those reads change, so I'm willing to give him some time to do his thing.-
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Day 1 lynch identified.
VOTE: CCC
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- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 19605
- Joined: September 5, 2014
- Location: Home of Top Gun
I have the day two lynch identified as well when CCC flips red.
Hint: If I have my way, his name will be a misnomer-
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House Survivor
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 19605
- Joined: September 5, 2014
- Location: Home of Top Gun
We can look into Huntress tomorrow.In post 449, eagerSnake wrote:VOTE: Huntress
I don't like this opening at all. It feels like just stalling and trying to avoid suspicion. The questions feel weak, and I don't see where their line of questioning is going either. They didn't have any questions at all for CCC, who they ended up voting for, and who is supposedly their top scumread. Nor any questions for House's slot, or Gamma's slot, who they also are supposedly scumreading. The only question for me was stuff from RVS which is weak.
CCC needs rope today.-
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House Survivor
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 19605
- Joined: September 5, 2014
- Location: Home of Top Gun
She's a possible. CCC is a certainty.In post 452, eagerSnake wrote:Do you find Huntress suspicious?
Obvscum needs rope.
We at less than five days to deadline. We need to consolidate.