Mini 1636: Mafialand Mayhem! - [Game Over]

[droog]

read the first five pages
literally nothing scummy or towny
bah humbug

[droog]

And you still haven't explained why I'm scum.

Right but I'm not posting a 'case.' You are.

And it's a case that nowhere ever actually suggests a scum motivation for anything I've done.

laughing
the sooner 'suggests a scum motive' stops being site meta
will be just great

[droog]

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum, because scum are more worried about their own survival because there are fewer of them than town. Town worry about scum hunting over survival.

Also, saying someone is probtown this early in the game sounds like someone trying to whiteknight their scum partner.

cereal box facts are more accurate.
hinting scum motive without saying it straight
or pompous mafia theories that mean nothing
are scummy
so youre scummy

[droog]

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum

[droog]

Vroom vroom rev up your chainsaws
I didn't know you could chainsaw defend yourself like that
Vroom veoom

[droog]

Is it still omg bus
If you. Vote me before I vote you

[droog]

Pacmaan playing peacemaker
Is good enough for an early townread

[droog]

anen's big posts look town to me
but admittedly any meta there is based on [ongoing]

could go both ways on aero
notice how he voted monkey while calling monkey opportunist?

minor townread on kate and minor scumread on monkey
theres been to much of that reently so i dont want to make more rn

[droog]

caught up
drake, luca, and lapsa are were i want to spend time looking right now
pretty sure luca's iso is wimpy wimpy wimyp

[droog]

Yeah because his argument was really really bad. I don't care if every single player said I wasn't being clear. I was perfecly clear. I said "being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum." I don't know how to get any more clear than that. It's like if I said your pacman avatar is blue, and you say, "no it's not it's yellow.", and then I say, "but everyone else says it's blue." That doesn't make the avatar any less yellow.

pacman is not saying your argument makes 0 sense
he says either it doesnt make sense or youre communicating poorly
if youre town, stop, collaborate, and listen
explain what you meant in the first place again

[droog]

Spoiler:

Do you feel posting fluff is worthy of a vote?

depends on context

@Wake88 and how do you define reason?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Luca Blight

Why are you voting Luca, Lapsa?

define reasoning and I'll answer that

...on a side note, to be safe, I think we should assume we're dealing with a 10:3 Setup.

why?

Lapsa you could save me some time though, you play so nonchalantly as scum?

I got thousand faces and they all look same

UNVOTE:

but the example he gave came after his vote on you.

*yawn*

VOTE: Luca Blight

how about you do it captain coy, I will double check you for accuracy. got a couple other things I would like to look up, that is a bit more pressing me thinks.

woof woof

sharing is caring

UNVOTE:

movie quote

beep beep

And HEEERE'S the not explaining of the vote. We're not in RVS, in case you missed the email-blast.

that would break my promise

@Luca there's a monkey on your back. gonna do something about that?

As broad as any other wagon right now.

untrue

which reminds me...

@douche_dog what was the matter with it?

You say in 69 that fluff wasn't your reason for voting Aneninen. Yet in 37 you did indeed vote on Anen because of fluff, and you linked to one of his posts as well.

*yawn*

VOTE: Wake88

Is there anyone still here? ^_^

true

meant lapsa not luca's iso looks empty
lapsa in rvs has way more questions and content
but it's all pretty shallow

[droog]

VOTE: lapsa

give me a top scumread
something that wont change next time you get sleepy
though i suspect you dont care if i vote you

[droog]

@wake

which weds and sats
itd be great (no irony) if youd clear that up

[droog]

Thanks wake

Wake is there a way
You could put that in your profile?
Is it always the first and third Wednesdays of the month
And the 2nd and 4th Saturdays?
If appreciate it

[droog]

"Lapsa's early game was quite town. He asked some pertinent questions, acted like he's excited to be here, didn't get roped into meaningless discussion, and didn't try to appease or buddy. That' about as townie as you can get on page 5."

- Katie on laps a
I actually agree
Which is why later lapsa is weird
It's not like he's ignoring the game rb

[droog]

So, you corrected yourself and you were talking about Lapsa, not Luca. What's your read on Luca then?

null
still sorting out

[droog]

or pompous mafia theories that mean nothing

@Clown

have you played with Norse god?

yes

Which is why later lapsa is weird

@Clown

what do you find weird?

the beginning of your iso
has content and questions
even if its wrapped in small posts
and short sentences

after rvs your iso has little content

I underestimated you (Aneninen) last time we played. Not happening again.

@Katie

what happened?

[droog]

yes

@Clown

how did it go? setup? win/lose? any comments? game link?

i was town and he was scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=59284
whats your point

[droog]

whats your point

@Clown

that you are scum ofc. please, use question marks

?

[droog]

the beginning of your iso
has content and questions
even if its wrapped in small posts
and short sentences

after rvs your iso has little content

@Clown

so what is your biggest strength at mafia game?

-
my worst skill is reading

[droog]

my worst skill is reading

@Clown

and what is your biggest strength at mafia game?

im fun )

[droog]

I'm curious as to your townread of Katie, as the only thing you have posted about her so far has been negative.

scumread on monkey is a tad stronger
i dont think they're scum together

[droog]

1) I interpreted Lapsa's post in the context it was given - he provided the context himself by specifically saying the reason for voting Anen, and the specific example on which he based his vote. To say I am taking that out of context, you are either lying or are severely mistaken.

not sure i follow
whys it matter if the 5th post isnt rvs
thats hard to think anyways

2) My post 95 took nothing out of context - it was an observation that could prove correct or incorrect. It was actually your 96 that was taking MY argument out of context.

agreed

3) I actually said it made no sense for you to be scumreading three players for 'focusing on irrelevant things' while townreading another player who has done this more than anyone. Another misrep!

agreed

4) You say my 219 is taking things out of context, yet dodge the points raised in this post? They were legitimate points, and you have ignored them like you ignore everything!

I'm just about ready to vote park myself on this slot. You are either scum or terrible, terrible town.

overreacting here

[droog]

i dont think i ever placed my vote
[v/lapsa[/v]
i would ote this with you mm

[droog]

VOTE: lapsa

[droog]

lapsa is also a scumread
why, are you both scum?
please dont vote lapsa if this is so

[droog]

In two hours—should nothing change—I'd quite like to discuss

Clown's

absence regarding 328.

sure
what do you want to discuss

[droog]

Spoiler:

[droog]

changing your mind as the game progresses
shows willing to lynch anybody
and is scummy
as opposed to being consistent

we could do this all day monkey
whatsy our point

[droog]

not accusing you of willing to lyncha nybody
but all these philosophies end up wrong sometime
its a waste of our time to talk abotu them
so why did you bring it up
^serious question not a snark

[droog]

oops i just read page top
aero was the one who broight it up

[droog]

could go both ways on aero
notice how he voted monkey while calling monkey opportunist?

I was the second one to vote him IIRC. I did it before it was cool!

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum

Being defensive is, being emotional is not.

Wake's feeling busty

you know that was me turning -
monkeys argument on itself
irght

[droog]

vote: Luca Blight
i would ote this with you mm

where the fuck did this come from

[droog]

hat the fuck?!

BEING DEFENSIVE/EMOTIONAL = SCUMMY IS BULLSHIT….BULLLLLLSHIT. I get defensive all the time…as town….AND as scum. I hate hate hate, when person X is being asked a ton of questions and when the post to answer those questions, people (usually scum) point the figure and say…you are being defensive. No…no they are not.

\
this feels genuine
and i agree with it
but i cant tell if its town genine
or scum yelling because they found sometihng they can tell teh truth about

[droog]

As for scum, I'm keeping my vote on Monkey. Voting in a blatant effort to get someone else's wagon, anyone at all, to be ahead of your own is scummy to me.

why wouldnt town do this?

[droog]

'should be'
these types fof statements never work
just because all townies are perfect in your head
doesnt mean they will be

but heck if i was the leading wagon
id vote for almost anyone else too

[droog]

you fucker

[droog]

is that supposed to be a reaction test?

[droog]

can we policy lynch lapsa
until he starts providing posts with content

[droog]

Ok since nobody said it
Lapsa's "Unvote" is L-1
This is not a lynch to keep
Someone in that wagon
Please move off

[droog]

Votecount 1.9

MonkeyMan576 (5): curiouskarmadog, Aeronaut, Aneninen, llll, evilpacman18

L-2

KatieB (3): Luca Blight, Drake Crusader, MonkeyMan576
Luca Blight (1): Lapsa
Lapsa (1): droog
evilpacman18 (1): KatieB

Not voting (2): Wake88, Ollie,

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2015-01-12 21:44:00).

I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.

Will unvote for now.

VOTE: MonkeyMan576

youre right nvm
dumb votes in the middle of a line

[droog]

karma, how do you feel about voting lapsa with me
either as a policy lynch for him to start making content
or because you suspect him for not making contetn

which he showed at game start he was able to do

[droog]

before:

Spoiler:

@Everyone:

What's your biggest strength at mafia game?

Answer:

I've been told that I'm good at 'following up' with my questioning.

@Aneninen, @Wake88: you have played together before?

@Aneninen who's your sweetheart?

(..) Would you be willing to give a rough estimate of how many years you've been playing? (..)

Do you, perhaps, have any slight reads on anyone as of yet? Maybe you have a bit of insider knowledge on someone's meta here?

(..) However, my memory on the details is foggy. As time wears on the memory fades ever so slightly.

you can call me Lapsa88

vote on Aneninen because of fluff

vote on Aeronaut because of doubling on you

zero insider knowledge

thing in common - can't remember losing my memory

@Wake88 and how do you define reason?

...I would add that him refusing to answer my question while wanting me to then answer his doesn't bode well. Not sure if he's Scum or inexperienced.

why not both?

In two hours—should nothing change—I'd quite like to discuss Wake88's absence regarding 61.

after:

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

but the example he gave came after his vote on you.

*yawn*

VOTE: Luca Blight

how about you do it captain coy, I will double check you for accuracy. got a couple other things I would like to look up, that is a bit more pressing me thinks.

woof woof

sharing is caring

UNVOTE:

-----===== Katie's jam recipe =====-----

@KatieB does your lack of time alternates?

I dunno

.

mix all of this with 2 teaspoons of assumption that we ain't nothing more but functions of time

movie quote

beep beep

You say in 69 that fluff wasn't your reason for voting Aneninen. Yet in 37 you did indeed vote on Anen because of fluff, and you linked to one of his posts as well.

*yawn*

VOTE: Wake88

hi

pacman

. who's scum?

give me a top scumread

it's a secret

Which is why later lapsa is weird

@Clown

what do you find weird?

Nevermind I am an above average poker player and my job is in technical support.

my dick is 13 inches long

and the specific example on which he based his vote

@Luca

third time

VOTE: Luca Blight

VOTE: Luca Blight

i would ote this with you mm

lapsa is capable of
explaining votes
answering questions
follow-up to his questions ((which he calls his strength!))
pushing on certain posts

so why isnt he anymore

[droog]

not much int e last pages
worth commenting on

[droog]

shit deadline is close
interesting that no monkey/katie counterwagons developed
wake, pacman, where are you

monkey how do you feel about lapsa with me?
this will be a useless day if we end
just following the first real wagon

((i also think monkey's town now))

[droog]

Even if monkey is scum
I wouldn't want to be on the wagon
Lynching first choice
With no other options
Is a bad idea

[droog]

I'm quoting his words, not twisting them. I certainly want an explanation from droog.

this wagon is controlled by scum
it hasnt died and nobody wants to stop it
i dont want to be involved with it
regardless of mokyers alignment
or my eread on mokery

[droog]

i dont want to be involved with it
regardless of mokyers alignment

That is

insane

. A pro town role would want scum dead, no matter how.

monkeys wagon is cummy
the way it hasnt died i s scummy
the way nobody wants anyone else is scummy

convince me taht monkey is scummier
than all of that

[droog]

i dont want to be involved with it
regardless of mokyers alignment

That is

insane

. A pro town role would want scum dead, no matter how.

monkeys wagon is cummy
the way it hasnt died i s scummy
the way nobody wants anyone else is scummy

convince me taht monkey is scummier
than all of that

You wouldn't vote for monkey even if you knew he was protown.

You're

scummy.

-

keep misreping me
dont answer my challenge
present me as the scummy one in this exchange

[droog]

Lynching first choice
With no other options
Is a bad idea

you are also completely ignoring this
no counterwagons today
what do we do tomorrow?

even if monkey is scum
we have no real associations
no other wagons or suspects
town has hardly discussed lynching anyone les
((except katie b))

is this a good state of affairs?

[droog]

can we please policy lynch this joker
has he done anything of value today

[droog]

i mean christ
does no one else take issue with lapsa voting monkey
after saying he wanted to unvote
and having no justification for his unvote?
when he wasnt even voting monkey
and he still hasnt unvoted?

does that make a lick of sense??

[droog]

I like

Monkey's

fluency of thought.

Will unvote for now.

VOTE: MonkeyMan576

[droog]

Theatrics aside

UNVOTE:

ok, ok... stop begging already

VOTE: MonkeyyMan576

[droog]

got a minute.


bottom line.

droog do you think being defensive/emotional is scummy?

-- no. being defensive is suspicious but not normally enough on its own

I do that all the time. I will do it this game, because I play hot...am I scummy for doing so?

I asked Monkey to provide a particular post where he deemed that katie was being defensive/emotional (scummy) which made him vote her (had to ask twice). He said all of her posts, i asked him for one in particular and he has again not provided one.

id like to ese monkey respond to this
but im that doesnt sound like so much to go on
since the morkey/katie thing was at the beginning of the day

Do you think these actions from Monkey are from someone who is town and really believes his case?

i dont think monkey had to believe his case
it was at the beginnnig of the day

[droog]

give me a 3 point case for anyone who is scummier.

but most likely this close to deadline I am not coming off my vote.

1) lapsa refuses to cooperate
((where 'cooperate' means
share reads
explain actions
or even talk to other people normally))

2) lapsa has shown he can cooperate
((he started the game voting and talking normally
he asked rvs questions and answered his own
he is coasting because no one will pressure him))

3) lapsa's actions all benefit scum
((changing every discussion when it gets productive
refusing to exlpain himself ever
somehow ending up on the monkey wagon as if my magic
etc.))

at the very least this guy is anti-town
at most, scum

[droog]

its like hes saying
'im useless
im not going to play
haha neener neener cant touch me'

[droog]

wake take a look at my 605

[droog]

because

lapsa

is not playing to town wincon

[droog]

are none of those things suspicious to you?
why?
what is suspicious?

[droog]

are none of those things suspicious to you?
why?
what is suspicious?

No, they aren't, unless they're indicative of his alignment through an understanding of his standard gameplay.

In my opinion, using hyperbole, exaggerating things, taking them out of context, and shifting your vote onto growing wagons with frivolous reasons are suspicious things.

find me someone who did all those things
and ill gladly join you
((hint: its not monkey))

[droog]

ok Wake
i know you're working on limited time but
if you're not willing to vote lapsa
could you elaborate on why?

if you have the time to post suspicions
could you take a look at ||||'s and Luca's isos?
((selected almost at random))

if you want to vote monkey
is there no way to convince you lapsa is better?

[droog]

^that post looks very town to me
normalyl people who jump on a wagon scum it up
and dont state their own thought processes
but genda explained exactly whach he agreed with and what he didnt
and nothing about it felt forced

[droog]

lapsa is useless and my preferred wagon
monkey is the other alternate wagon
im not able to summarize the monkey case because i dont sympathize with it

[droog]

anen, lapsa is "trolling"

[droog]

Thanks for killing a null read

[droog]

oh boy are doing nighkill analysis
maybe scum didnt want to spill anytihng???
i dont remember which game this is i probably need to look

[droog]

wake youre pushing this a little too hard
instead of compalining that youre scumread for not posting content
why not post some content

i know you're busy but
surely you can read enough to form one scumread and vote on it
((that isnt realetd to you being scumread))

[droog]

Have t we played any finished games

[droog]

Way to look bad guys
Town sucks right now
I'll dig around laterwhen
I'm not eating

[droog]

wow why is this game so dead
what happened to anen and katie and wake
im not even sure if i can scumread the normally active guys
because this is just too inactive christ

kind of leaning scum on aeor now

[droog]

if i had to pick a lurker out of the scum
it'd be wake 88
if only because whenever he does show up
he doesnt seem to care that he doesnt show up much
or have much else to say

[droog]

i kind of said the same thing aero
have anything else to add?

[droog]

im not even sure if i can scumread the normally active guys
because this is just too inactive christ

this is basically what you said

[droog]

which is basically what i said
or meant
and this isn't an argument worth havgin

genda has a good 1111 point i will sheep for now
VOTE: 1|Il

[droog]

I would definitely lynch monkey
...if I felt like it

I thought he was scummier than Katie
But I didn't like his wagon at all
So.

[droog]

it was buried somewhere yesterday
i dont really remember it anymore and dont care

i had a scumread on you that was smaller
than my suspicion at your wago
come to think of it
looking at your wagon would be a good start

[droog]

WTH? why is it every time a wagon builds on MM, another wagon pops up for little reason and speeds forward with little regard? Why do I have a feeling that IIII is going to flip town?

what wagon
it was like 1-2 votes

[droog]

Pretty suspicious to be replacing out when there is pressure on you.

what are you smoking
he clearly couldn't pay attention at all this game
do you think he would have stayed in if he hadn't been suspected?
if so why

((also side track
i appreciate a player who knows when to sub out
thanks wake))

[droog]

what the fuck
when did monkey
become the leading wagon

does anyone have a case

[droog]

no thanks

[droog]

@droog monkey is scummy
why don't you want to lynch him
you didn't like the monkey wagon yesterday
you don't like the monkey wagon today
is there something you're not telling us

i am hungry for mokey dong
he is just. so sexy
its all i can do to keep him alive

^is this what you want me to say

i dont see a good monkey case
"monkey is scummy"
so why am i supposed to jup on one

[droog]

point me to this monkey case
all i see is
people pointing at things he does
and saying
'so scummy'

[droog]

Which people monkey

[droog]

Which people monkey

[droog]

EPM, 803 – "droog is right and I'd hate to have a mislynch because of my laziness honestly so I'm gonna try harder, especially considering we'll probably get a deadline extension." – Whut? A "mislynch"? because of your laziness? What does the possible Deadline extension has to do with everything? If you were worried about a mislynch you shouldn't have L–1-ed MonkeyMan at all.

thonestly
i dont remember sayig this
or dont know what pacman
is referring to

[droog]

Druuge, 794 and nearby – the cornerstone of my case, as I mentioned before, is the fact that his play is very different from his town game and very similar to his scumgame. (Please, don't make me search the games I checked, I've already done the meta twice, once for Luca.)
However, EPM could be lynched too.

but when did you start scumreading me
i remember saying you felt town
compared to 579
((which is over now we can talk about it
yay))

and i remember you agreeing
what gives

[droog]

The feeling is mutual and my reasons are the same. I can't see a scum-Druuge here.

[droog]

Druuge seems to be obv-town.

[droog]

As for Druuge. Because of the site rules I'm not allowed to explain my townread.

[droog]

I'm pretty sure that Druuge's town.

[droog]

Dear everyone, I have f-cking no idea what I'm doing, I've read only the last couple of posts, and I'm sheeping Druuge, who I think is town, right now.

[droog]

Druuge is f-cking town, at least 95%. If he were scum I'd be f-cking dead now.

[droog]

Townreads (from strongest to weakest): CuriousKarmaDog, Druuge, Wake, ||||

[droog]

Side-note. I'm also not allowed to explain this but if EPM flips scum later and it turns out that the scums have a kind of daychat (eg. there's an Encryptor), Druuge is scum too. (In spite of my townread on him.)

this is literaly the ony time
you say im scum
in any way

anen you have some
psailing to do

[droog]

@anen sorry
I misread

@karma
Those two just point be back
To earlier parts of the thread

[droog]

what the fuck
when did monkey
become the leading wagon

does anyone have a case

you know, you looked pretty townish in this game until this post.

have you not read the thread? just go back on the last 2 pages alone.

these just point me back
to earlier parts of the thread

what am i looking at
for a monkey scum case?
please show me one

[droog]

i have read through 816 three times
i cant find any real mention of mokey in it
except this

(Willing to re-join the MonkeyMan wagon too, since he's doing no scumhunting and because of the reasons I mentioned above.)

[droog]

in 726 you assert monkey as
your strongetst scumread
and vote him
but provide no reasons

[droog]

Monkeyman. I re-Meta'ed him a couple of days ago (because of Luca's question.) He's producing way too many theoretical and null-posts here and does very little scumhunting. In spite of the fact that the game was pretty much stalled when he was the leading wagon (which is not a good sign that we're going for a good lynch) I still think he's scum.

VOTE: Monkeyman

this is your next main point on him
a reference to an earlier post

[droog]

you have some back and forth
with monkey
but none of it is a 'case'

Meanwhile, I'm thinking about something. I'll post about it if I get some useful conclusions. It's about the wagons we have and the vote-moving and "not-moving".
But now, I'm not that confident about my vote as I was before.

UNVOTE:

here you unvote monkey

[droog]

[quote="In post 278, Aneninen"]Well, shyt.
MonkeyMan's 264 is a general post, yet again, no real content about this particular game. 265 is highly defensive.
At this point I've done a little meta on him. His Day1 is far from his townplay and very close to his scumplay.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MonkeyMan[/quote

this is where you vote him in the first place

[droog]

ok i think i understand your case anen

monkey is scum because
-in 816 you point at 726
- in 726 you dont explain because you already explained
- in 524, which goes back to
-459, where you unvote monkey
-which came in 278, where monkey is scum

becaue you think he had no conent in 264
and was too defensize as the first wagon

i feel like thor
is this right anen

[droog]

ok

what is his scum meta
what is his town meta
what makes this game like his scum meta

[droog]

Read. My. Posts. I. Have. Written. About. It. Several. Times.

I'm genuinely getting tired of this. I meta-ed him TWICE, for the latter time because of Luca's questions. I didn't write down on a separate paper / in a separate file the games I checked and all the differences I found. There are plenty of players voting for him and yet it's only MY case which is relevant. Which is, eventually clearly stronger than some of the sheer sheep-votes on Day1/Day2. WhyTheF-CK?!

anen
i just went through your posts
please show me where im missing your meta
give me a post number

[droog]

anen:

1) i asked you where the case was.
you just said you had one.

2) i am asking everyone
youre the only one right now
claiming to have a case on monkey
everyone elese is awol

3) i know

[droog]

anen:

1) i asked you where the case was.
you just said you had one.

2) i am asking everyone
youre the only one right now
claiming to have a case on monkey
everyone elese is awol

3) i know

[droog]

best i can tell
some alien race from the ur-quan masters
((whatever that is))

((yeah yeah ill give you an epm read when i can flesh it out0)

[droog]

riddle's last post was 3 days ago

do we have a backup mod

[droog]

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum

I don't really find this to be true.

Also you appear to have started the Lapsa wagon, mind explaining the rationale behind it? Because it looked pretty lame.

monkey said the exact same thing
then he got defensive
so i called him out on it

i dont believe it myself

[droog]

hey droog
dont let me down
take a sad song
and make it better

nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog
nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog
nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog
nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog
nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog
nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah hey droog

[droog]

In post 275, Lapsa wrote:
In post 274, droog wrote:
Which is why later lapsa is weird


@Clown what do you find weird?
the beginning of your iso
has content and questions
even if its wrapped in small posts
and short sentences

after rvs your iso has little content

[droog]

The Lapsa wagon was pathetic, so yeah I found it kinda scummy. Your point?

More pathetic
Than the monkey one?

Go look at lapsa's play
And the way he broke rules
Go look at the monkey case
Or the lack kg one

We got locked into one of the other
Because everyone wanted monkey

[droog]

The Lapsa wagon was pathetic, so yeah I found it kinda scummy. Your point?

More pathetic
Than the monkey one?

Go look at lapsa's play
And the way he broke rules
Go look at the monkey case
Or the lack kg one

We got locked into one of the other
Because everyone wanted monkey

So if you hadn't been, "locked into one or the other," who would you have pushed for?

Also evilpacman18 your introduction had me thinking that post was going to be way scummier than it was - it was almost compelling, actually. I almost sheeped your Aeronaut read until I noticed even you hadn't; why no vote?

honestly no clue
id just subbed in and reread
probably someone on the monkey wagon
thatw as a bad piece of work

[droog]

see
was it so hard to come up with reasons mokney looks sucujmy

[droog]

i think its starting to become clear
that town cant do anything productive with monkey around
i think thats mostly not monkeys fault

but he looks like lynchbait
rereading now

[droog]

Aeronaut seems completely uninvested in actively searching for an answer for his own question and so it comes across as the question being the point of that post, not the answer.

this is what i think
about aero all game

[droog]

Hey droog, let's just lynch Pacman instead. Hes lookin pretty shit to me

pamman made some good points on you
what about ti looks shit

[droog]

CKD, are you still only willing to lynch monkey?

And monkey, you seem to be spending most of your time focusing on CKD, but your vote is still parked on IIII. IIII also didnt show up in the list of players that you consider to be scummier then you in #838. Why is your vote still on IIII, when he seems to not be your top scumread?

This is a good posting

so you can read good posts
tcan you write them?

[droog]

oh i have been a total flake
i dont deny it
whats your excuse

[droog]

1.) Day 1, His “scum is defensive/emotional” . This is a load of shit. This is a tactic scum uses to explain bad votes.



3.) HE HAS DONE NO SCUM HUNTING. NONE. Why?

4.) He said Wake was scum because he left the game (couldn’t handle the pressure?). I asked him (3 times) to provide a game where he developed this theory. He gave a newbie game (that he was in) from 2012. Really? This is the game you have based this bullshit theory? He has been around since 2008. If MM was really trying to find scum, why didn’t he meta Wake to see if this was a common problem with his other current games? (Hint: it is a common problem). No, instead he just throws that crap out there to see if it will get started. MM, why didn’t you see if Wake was having problems in other threads?

5.) he voted IIII today (the wagon that countered his own) ONLY when the wagon started gaining steam, stating his wagon switch yesterday was scummy. Really? If it was so scummy why didn’t you vote him when the day started, versus now? I have asked him why he didn’t vote him at the start of the day 3 fucking times, he has seemed to “miss” the question every time. Why?

This guy is so scummy it hurts.

If you guys don’t hang him today and I get offed tonight…PLEASE MAKE HIM ANSWER TO THIS CASE.


here is the case droog, thoughts? Am I wrong, why?

thank you for finally maing one
no one all game could point me to anything good


1) i agree
this was why i scumread monkey at first
but stupid thoughts arent scummy

2) give me time to look at this
that sounds scummy for sure
but isnt he always picking wagons because theyre not him?

3) i think this is just poor plaf

4) was a load of bullshit

5) is a good point let me think on it

[droog]

what bothers me most about monkey
si his townread on me

it feels a little too much like buddying

[droog]

you accuse me of not reading?
i was scumreading monkey
then i saw the wagons on him as really bad
so bad i didnt want to be on them

when no one can bring a case
for ~400 posts
i dont want to be anywhere near that wagon

[droog]

I don't need excuses, because I'm one of the few people active in this game. I made a very good case on monkey, and an even better case on Pacman. All you've done is come in, vote ||||, say our cases are bad, and then do nothing again.

but hey
mr 46 pages since game start
just over 1 post per page

keep riding me for no content
while im in the middle of making content

[droog]

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum, because scum are more worried about their own survival because there are fewer of them than town. Town worry about scum hunting over survival.

Also, saying someone is probtown this early in the game sounds like someone trying to whiteknight their scum partner.

cereal box facts are more accurate.
hinting scum motive without saying it straight
or pompous mafia theories that mean nothing
are scummy
so youre scummy

Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum

Yeah because his argument was really really bad. I don't care if every single player said I wasn't being clear. I was perfecly clear. I said "being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum." I don't know how to get any more clear than that. It's like if I said your pacman avatar is blue, and you say, "no it's not it's yellow.", and then I say, "but everyone else says it's blue." That doesn't make the avatar any less yellow.

pacman is not saying your argument makes 0 sense
he says either it doesnt make sense or youre communicating poorly
if youre town, stop, collaborate, and listen
explain what you meant in the first place again

[droog]

@Monkey Well, at least you've stopped picking on absentee Wake. That was low. He couldn't even defend himself.

????????
is someone protceted
because theyre flaking out???

do you know what lurking is

[droog]

Spoiler:

Vote: Wake88

His endday play was pretty suspicious, specifically the way he relied on other people's explanation of cases rather than doing his own research.

Wake, here is the specific behavior I am talking about, an overreliance on other players opinions and information.

I've got a lot to read up on.

Anything noteworthy?

I will have time during the first half of tomorrow.

I have limited time.

Do we have anything pertinent as of yet? Very brief summaries of the latest highlights would suffice. Not reading 25 pages of Day 1 speculation.

So, why vote Lapsa?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

If I had all the time in the world then yes it'd be lazy. I do not, and I don't think it's too much to ask the other twelve players to give a brief summary. If anything's lazy, it's refusing to even provide a sentence or two i response when you have more time than the person asking. BS on it being anti-Town, BS on it being scummy, and BS on it being lazy. I'm not asking everyone to provide walls of text doing my own work. I'm asking the other players (not all, but at least one) to help me catch up with a sentence or two. What's so difficult about it? Are you trying to fabricate reasons to cast suspicion on me? I think the route you're taking is horrible if you're Town, because if you're Town we are a team, and we help each other out if we are able. There's a chance that one of the people providing a response is Scum, but hey, that's the risk you take in a game of Mafia. People don't suddenly stop asking others for reads because, *gasp*, the person being asked could be Scum. I am not liking this new direction from you, and am now more eager than ever to question the motives behind your actions.

Wow, you don't like a direction where you're being scumread, that's a surprise.

@ret

which looks scummier
monkey for switching to wake at random
or |||| saying monkey was picking on wake
when monkey did develop a case on wake for lurking

[droog]

@droog Wait wait, so was Monkey's vote "random" or did he "develop a case"? It can't be both.

The vote came our of left field
But he developed it with a case
No contradiction

[droog]

@droog And why was it that you never voted for Wake even though Wake, according to you, was "flaking out"?

I mean, if I am scummy for defending allegedly scummy Wake, and scummy enough to vote for, why not vote for scummy Wake at the beginning of the day? Or did you realize that was a shit wagon and your mate ScumkyMan was not going to get anywhere with it? Then why bash Wake now if not out of desperation at the impending demise of your bud Monkey?

show me bashing wake
show me calling him scummy

[droog]

Spoiler:

Vote: Wake88

His endday play was pretty suspicious, specifically the way he relied on other people's explanation of cases rather than doing his own research.

Wake, here is the specific behavior I am talking about, an overreliance on other players opinions and information.

I've got a lot to read up on.

Anything noteworthy?

I will have time during the first half of tomorrow.

I have limited time.

Do we have anything pertinent as of yet? Very brief summaries of the latest highlights would suffice. Not reading 25 pages of Day 1 speculation.

So, why vote Lapsa?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

If I had all the time in the world then yes it'd be lazy. I do not, and I don't think it's too much to ask the other twelve players to give a brief summary. If anything's lazy, it's refusing to even provide a sentence or two i response when you have more time than the person asking. BS on it being anti-Town, BS on it being scummy, and BS on it being lazy. I'm not asking everyone to provide walls of text doing my own work. I'm asking the other players (not all, but at least one) to help me catch up with a sentence or two. What's so difficult about it? Are you trying to fabricate reasons to cast suspicion on me? I think the route you're taking is horrible if you're Town, because if you're Town we are a team, and we help each other out if we are able. There's a chance that one of the people providing a response is Scum, but hey, that's the risk you take in a game of Mafia. People don't suddenly stop asking others for reads because, *gasp*, the person being asked could be Scum. I am not liking this new direction from you, and am now more eager than ever to question the motives behind your actions.

Wow, you don't like a direction where you're being scumread, that's a surprise.

@ret

which looks scummier
monkey for switching to wake at random
or |||| saying monkey was picking on wake
when monkey did develop a case on wake for lurking

That "case" looks pretty scummy to me, to be honest.

Latching onto an inactive player (read: lynchbait), scumreading them for their activity level, and asking ridiculous questions like, "What if the people you're asking for help with are scum?" (hey, newsflash, if you ask scum to summarize something for you and they lie about it, then we'll call them on it and lynch them) is pretty bad.

@ret: I agree
But \||| throwing a fit over it
Is scummy too

And monkey and ||||
can't voth be scummy
For opposite opinions

[droog]

I don't agree with monkey's cad
But I don't suspect it

Why is lynching lurkers scummy

[droog]

what did i do?

((dont say something lame like "nothing"))

[droog]

Monkey/Droog/Pacman 2015?

I'd say yes.

Intent

You again
So what's your theory
Pacmaan and I are desperate
To save out buddy monkey?

[droog]

No good case on monkey
Until about right before his lynch

That's my only defense
I have no time until Friday
So that's that

[droog]

V/la
Until weekend

[droog]

sorry guys
mod please sub me out