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So why were you so offended by this? I mean youfriday-13th wrote:
and throwing random votes are helpful?throwing accusions for utterly no reason is useful?well if that isnt useful either,then wtf do you mean in your mind is useful?Turbovolver wrote:
this is not helpfulfriday-13th wrote:I think your all screwed in the head....
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reasons why i have that typo lolwerejoking around, right? Do you think joking around is in fact helpful towards finding scum?
Then again, perhaps you did achieve something.
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Oh, I see.Patrick wrote:I think the point of the quote by Falcome there is that Turbovolver changed his random vote, then Ozy did, but Shadowlurker only mentioned Ozy and voted him, seemingly ignoring the fact that Turbovolver did the same thing. I think Turbovolver is always kind of vote hoppy though I've never played with him. I was an avid reader of Leper Mafia 8)
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Everyone has had problems accessing the board (or at least I hope so )kilmenator wrote:sorry guys it has taken so long to post. i couldnt get into the board for about a week. upon reading of course in the first two pages there isnt much so i will withhold my vote for now. i need a chance to sit down and actually read so that i can figure out who is who. i always have a hard time with that in the beginning of games.
ShadowLurker, that's OMGUS isn't it. I don't really consider OMGUS a scum tell, but it's hardly helping find scum.-
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Patrick wrote:Yeah I know the definition of false dilemna. I just don't see how that is one. Maybe at worst you could say there are other possibilities that are slightly different, but I don't see any intentional deceit by Falcone, and in fact I think it's most likely to be a mixture of the two he gave. If Shadowlurker did have some other reason, then why not give it to us there and then?
Those are truly the only two possibilities you can see? What about the possibility that ShadowLurker thinks Falcone is scum?Falcone wrote:Is it because I used the first thing that was remotely interesting to try and start a discussion, or just because I voted you?
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You "killmenator" people at night, don't you?killmenator wrote:ok, without much to go on in the first few pages. The person I find most scummy at this point is Shadow Lurker. She seems much to defensive with just one vote on her. So for right now I will Vote: ShadowLurker. Still watching this game, along with my others.
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I thought ShadowLurker was joking. I mean I don't even see what it was defending againstgeraintm wrote:This is my first game outside newbie land, so going from 7 to 12 people makes it harder to follow, too many voices.
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I want you to address me so that I, along with others, can get a grasp of where you are coming from. That's kind of how this game works.friday-13th wrote:would-ya stop acting like a fag turbo....for god sakes it was A joke!the fact every one was randoming,i thought i would just do it!and are you retarted or some thing?why do you want me to adress you?is that a confession that your scum?FFS grow up yah damn kid...
being so that turbo has just partly pissed me of with his immaturety...i will e posting in a few...
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Well I'm not infallible. And I applied the exact same criteria to find the other two scum that game, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.Falcone wrote:To Turbo: Remember Leper mafia... You thought STD's "passion" was a sign of townieness there too...
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He never said that though. He hasn't said anything about the 'level of weirdness' of his play, and he hasn't really done much defense other than ask snide questions and/or request that people clarify their attacks on him.Patrick wrote:It seems like he's changing his defence from 'I'm not doing anything strange' to 'I was deliberately acting strange to start discussion'.
You are really misrepresenting the situation here.FOS: Patrick-
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I like the way you arbitrarily suggest no lynch as a better alternative to confirm voting somebody you aren't voting. Both are 'classically scummy' moves that are used early game solely to get things going, so I don't know why one would be better than the other. I get the feeling you don't either, and made that post up as you went.kilmenator wrote:I dont think it was the generating discussion part that got targetted. I think it was the way in which you generated the discussion. Why not throw out a No Lynch or something like that to generate discussion instead of how you were acting? And honestly I dont like how turbo seems to always be coming to the defense of SL. Maybe it is nothing, but I think that SL should defend herself because she is the one who put herself in this situation.
So, on to new topics. I would like to hear more from other people, and would like to hear their takes on what is going on.
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I never want to argue in an argument that's going nowhere. Unfortunately I often take quite a while to realise that it's going nowhere, and/or get caught up refuting all the defamations being thrown at me.Patrick wrote:
eh since when did that deter you from arguing about somethingTurbovolver wrote:Patrick, ShadowLurker is right. This argument is going nowhere.
When it's other people that are arguing it's much easier-
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No, in fact it's very rarely a scummy move. But when someone comes along and votes no lynch in the first few pages of the game, it's almost inevitable someone will call that scummy. This is what I mean by 'classically scummy' things.kilmenator wrote:ummm... no lynch isnt always a scummy move.
Well yeah, maybe classically wasn't the right word. Point is they are both stupid things which would get labelled as scummy by knee-jerk players.kilmenator wrote:and i have NEVER before been in a game where someone confirm voted someone they were not even voting.
I myself don't think what he did was scummy at all.kilmenator wrote:and by what you just said, what SL did was a classically scummy move, why then are you voting me and not SL? and why have you been defending SL all game when you yourself just said that it was a scummy move?-
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Friday 13th's only vote is on Rosso, who she voted because he was trying to "speed lynch". Friday, Rosso appears to have just been generating discussion, and I don't think he's done anything wrong. What do you say to this?
You also told me to "stop acting like a fag" when I put pressure on you. Why are you unwilling to explain yourself properly?
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You cant just say "I haven't done anything scummy" and be absolved of scrutiny. Not to mention you indeedFriday-13th wrote:and why must you always mention me turbo...i really havtn said anything scummy yet...hardly at all with all these set backs...havesaid scummy things.
What? No I didn't.Friday-13th wrote:
well you know,technicly,you kinda answered your own question...Turbovolver wrote:Friday 13th's only vote is on Rosso, who she voted because he was trying to "speed lynch". Friday, Rosso appears to have just been generating discussion, and I don't think he's done anything wrong. What do you say to this?-
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Friday-13th, I want to know who you suspect and why. The whole reason I mentioned the Rosso vote is because it's your only serious vote, and it wasn't even for good reasons.
There is clearly some level of disconnect here, which makes me feel a bit better about your crazy reactions to me, but that doesn't change the fact you haven't been posting good content.-
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kilmenator wrote:SL, why do you always seem to be sticking up for Friday?
Hey Friday, you didn't tell me your thoughts on the game. You don't seem to be interested in talking about anybody but yourself (and Rosso lolz). It doesn't matter how weird you want to post, if you aren't here to hunt scum then you are scum.
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Oh, you didn't mean ShadowLurker was sticking up for Friday, you meantkilmenator wrote:sorry about that SL i meant to say turbo not friday. it has been a long week..already and it is only tuesday! ahh... you always seem to be sticking up for turbo... i need a reread terribly!Iwas. That makes so much more sense.
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And after a quick skim back, I don't see anything suggesting ShadowLurker is sticking up for me.
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ShadowLurker has been contributing this game more than a lot of people, that is a terrible reason to vote for him. You say you don't know who to vote out of him, Friday or Patrick.
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So first, I'm assuming "chess" is Friday-13th.kilmenator wrote:and i wasnt ready to put either patrick or chess at 3 votes because i honestly dont want to spark anothe debate about whether 3 votes is scummy or not and so forth. so SL got my vote. obviously SL isnt in any serious trouble since i am the only one voting for him. anyway... my logic...
You listed Patrick and Friday-13th as the other people you might vote BEACUSE they have two votes? Like, not because they are scummy, but just becuase you like furthering bandwagons on people you don't find scummy?
And the reason you didn't do it is because you didn't want to possibly take heat for putting the third vote on somebody?
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:goodposting:geraintm wrote:Ozy, you filled your post with too much filler. Pointing out that more talk is good is just worthless, everyone knows that. Kil already said they were going to reread and repost and asked for time, but you FOSed within a few hours.
I am going tovote bird111[\b]
picking up a prod and still not posting is just unforgivable. Especially as he still seems to be oretty active elsewhere on site.
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Actually discussion of third votes usually is pretty much useless. If Kilmenator said "I don't want to discuss what I had for breakfast", would you also call that "saying discussion was useless"?Ozymandius wrote:
Kilmenator was saying disscusion was useless. I was merely trying to point that out. Because everyone knows that more talk is good, right?Kilmenator wrote: i didnt put them at three because i find the discussion of a third vote useless
You're actually misrepresenting here.
Scum tell.Ozymandius wrote:I didn't know you felt so strongly about an FOS...
Well, OK then. Very "don't look hard at me" posting.Ozymandius wrote:I'm not saying we should lynch her now. My goal was just to let her know that I think she should do a bit more thinking before she posts to avoid confusion. I was and still am quite willing to give her plenty of time to work out anything that has caused confusion.
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Last game I played with him, he was willing to vote and take positions, but not really do any analysis work, IIRC.geraintm wrote:More thoughts - Rosso seems a horribly lazy poster. I have no clue about him, he is refusing to give us anything to work with. If he was town, i would hope he would be writing more. But is this his normal play style?
Then he claimed he was writing a computer program to find the scum, but refused to ever show anyone said program or do anything with it. Then he claimed he never throws his scum partners under the bus despite several games with evidence to the contrary.
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I too was happy with Killmenator's reply, except for one thing: You didn't vote anyone after going back and re-reading all the players. Why didn't you vote anybody after all that work?
I'd think townies who just re-read the game would certainly find somebody scummy enough to vote, and it's not like you've been conservative with votes earlier in the game.-
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I don't understand what you're talking about in the last half of this.Ozymandius wrote:I'm sorry, I'm here, I've just been without power for a few days. I'm happy with Kilmenator's response now. If she's not going to mix anything up anymore, I'm fine. I don't find Kil that scummy anymore. Discusing breakfast is clearly irrelevent, I know. Breakfast is not part of a mafia game. Voting is. I thought that there may have been some direction to it, but I guess I was wrong.
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Fair enough ^^kilmenator wrote:turbo- quite honestly, what i did took way to much time and i wanted a little time to digest what i had posted. still need a little time to think it over, but my vote will probably land on either rosso or ozy. but i still need a little time to process. so give me some time to think, but expect a vote in the next day.-
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Well, it was a crappy FOS. You cant just say "discussion is good for town", because a lot of discussionOzymandius wrote:My comment was half sarcastic. It was taken as scummy by you. That is not helpful to me, because I am town. That only adds to the fact that you found my Fos to be scummy and poorly founded in the first place.isn't. I can give examples if necessary.
Also, stretching "I don't want to discuss X" to "I don't want to discuss" is still misrepresentation.
I'm supposed to believe you were trying to prove your innocence by sarcastically brushing things aside?Ozymandius wrote:And I'm not trying to appear townie, I'm trying to prove my inocence. I made a mistake by saying that comment that turbo (and others) find scummy.
Also to explain this comment:
It's just a feeling I get reading through the quoted text of yours. It seems to be "over-explaining".Turbovolver wrote:
Well, OK then. Very "don't look hard at me" posting.Ozymandius wrote:I'm not saying we should lynch her now. My goal was just to let her know that I think she should do a bit more thinking before she posts to avoid confusion. I was and still am quite willing to give her plenty of time to work out anything that has caused confusion.-
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So you're saying the "I see you make a big deal out of FOS..." comment was half-sarcastic.Ozymandius wrote:My comment was half sarcastic. It was taken as scummy by you. That is not helpful to me, because I am town. That only adds to the fact that you found my Fos to be scummy and poorly founded in the first place.
1) You said you understand why it's scummy. You still haven't explained why.
2) Calling it half-sarcastic could easily be an attempt to absolve yourself of those words, but I guess that just comes down to whether you can be trusted or not.
Also now that I realise my mistake, some of the stuff in the last post doens't make sense any more. Namely,
This.Turbovolver wrote:I'm supposed to believe you were trying to prove your innocence by sarcastically brushing things aside?
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Turbo: That's a scum tell.
Ozy: Yes, I can see why that is considered scummy.
Turbo: I don't believe that. Why is it scummy?
Ozy: Why don't you tell me?! You're the one who called it scummy with no reasoning?
When you defend against something with "Yeah, I can see why that's bad, sorry," and you cant actually see why it's bad, then you are lying to the town, and you are just saying whatever you think will get people off your back.-
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Well, I was actually talking about this quote,
but it turns out you never said you knewOzymandius wrote:I see now that this kind of comment of mine does not help me look good. Noted for future reference.whyit was scummy there either.
So yes, I was mistakenly putting words in your mouth and I apologise.
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* You are suggesting because it's only an FOS it shouldn't be looked at too hard. It was still based on logic, so there's no reason not to analyse that logic. It could even be seen as an attempt to suppress discussion.
* You are calling into doubt the behaviour of those who analyse your FOS in any great detail. Basically without any solid accusation or commitment to a position, you are providing the opportunity to make players look worse.
It's not really a major tell, because I can reasonably see townies doing it (though not as much as scum), but it was still scummy to me. And when I thought you were saying you knew why it was scummy when it was quite likely you did not, I thought I had found something more solid.-
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I'm making a mountain out of a molehill? All I've done is bring up things I found scummy and ask for explanations. I haven't been calling him assuredly scum because I am not myself 100% convinced of his scumminess, though he is the player I'm most wary of at the moment.Patrick wrote:Part or me says Turbo is making a mountain out of a molehill, but the other part says we really don't have too much to look at right now anyway with so few ppl saying anything. I think we might as well hear Ozy's suspect list.
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I've never been in a scumchat game, but it does seem like Ozy's objections to your comparison between this game and a scumchat game are valid.ShadowLurker wrote:Unvote Vote Ozymandius
Your wide net of suspicions seem contrived at best and I find this too similar to that scumchat game if lyncher when you leapt on everybody else's cases and tried to pursue them no matter how weak they were.
However, I agree with your actual point about the suspicions, and it's scummy regardless of what happened in some scumchat game. They look like the suspicions of someone who re-read the thread looking for things that jumped out as "safely" scummy.
Also Patrick's last post gives me the feeling of someone "floating" about the thread commenting when they can to avoid attention. I'll have a look at his other posts.-
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I don't know what you mean about a 'fair' lynch, but what is wrong with an Ozy lynch. Are you saying you think he is town? What is wrong with the arguments that have been raised, then?geraintm wrote:if ozy does end up getting lynched, it will be one of the worst lynches i have seen. just a truly poor game to try and get a 'fair' lynch from, if that makes sense. i'll be very disappointed if ozy goes (unless he turns up scum of course)
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I feel that is a misrepresentation, Patrick. geraintm doesn't seem to be defending Ozymandius much at all (though he did conveniently fail to take much of a position on his scumminess, at least in the recent posts that I saw).
His point about a 'fair' lynch would apply to anyone, he doesn't want to lynch whilst players are inactive. It's not Ozymandius-specific.-
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It seemed a genuine enough statement to me. I don't know that geraintm's intentions were good with that post, but I see no reason to assume otherwise at this time.Patrick wrote:
How do you know that? Yes, if he's a genuinely concerned townie it would apply to anyone. If he's scum with Ozy, I imagine it only applies to Ozy.Turbo wrote:His point about a 'fair' lynch would apply to anyone, he doesn't want to lynch whilst players are inactive. It's not Ozymandius-specific.-
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OK, now this I don't like. You don't want to lynch people until everyone can weigh in, but you don't think weighing in on the possible lynchee is particularly important. Doesn't make much sense to me.geraintm wrote:turbo - i know i didn't make much of a claim on my thoughts of ozy's scumminess. i didn't think my thoughts on the matter were especially important compared to the question on what i thought a fair lynch was.-
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