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Just making sure my original vote went through. Any reason why I shouldn't be?Kublai wrote:Do you have a good reason on why you're making sure the mod has me at L-2?
Agreed here. It was a quick end to the RVS and not scummy.hasdgfas wrote:I think it was a great way of getting out of the much hated RVS. Sure, it's weak, but it's legit.
Feels like a scummy attempt to return to RVS.CKD wrote: lol,
unvote, vote Hasdgfas
for taking a first random/irony joke vote trying to run with it.
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Basically what I meant.Kublai wrote:...then it really looks like you're trying to squash that discussion because you don't like the direction it's headed.
RVS = less discussion.CKD wrote: it was. you are voting me because I want to return to the RVS? How is that scummy? How do you think as scum returning to RVS is helpful for scum?
Not the best of reasons, true, but better than anything else so far.-
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/prodded.
So? We seem to have barely passed the RVS and I see no better leads yet.Quagmire wrote:...he's being voted for for things he did during the RVS
@Kublai, my vote was semi-random as I did had a reason.
@CKD, voting for someone for pushing out of the random stage could have an effect of dampening communication and is generally bad reasoning. I dislike that.-
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I don't get it.
me: "voting for someone for pushing out of the random stage:"
commenting on your post here: "for taking a first random/irony joke vote trying to run with it."
No contridiction here.
me: "..return to RVS."
me clarifying: "maybe it is more of a bad-reason vote than a random vote"
me clarifying again: "could have an effect of dampening communication and is generally bad reasoning."
Two points here: poor reasoning and encouraging stopping communication by voting for someone who did attempt to leave the random stage.
I may be interpreting meaning you didn't intend but that is how I basically see it.-
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unvote, I still think it was a poor reason for a vote but you've made your point.
I have been looking too and TBH the setup looks pretty hard to use.
Bombs look more likely to damage the town than scum (unless most vig's shoot blanks).
Bombs' claiming could give vigs a free reign, but with a fakeclaim and the possbile mafia doctor ability, it could be a free reign to kill townies.-
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Ok, ok, reading back I found this post on page 2.
This was just before my initial CKD vote and drama. So I guess I have to accept that I am wrong here. Still I don't my actual reasoning (assuming this post didn't exist) was as poor as suggested.CKD wrote: unvote looks like he is actually trying to get conversation started. Has, do you usually attack obvious joke votes during RVS, or is this a change in play style..if so why?
Quagmire did still stick out as moderately scummy (quite high in comparison as most reads are null) so I don't know how much can be gained by looking at his wagon.
Still having trouble getting reads. Kublia's early game wasn't great, I dislike has's intent to vote me without explanation (maybe a little OMGUS). Nothing much else is standing out.-
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Quagmire had a pretty poor case on has at that point. Doesn't that mean by your own logic he would be scummy.mole wrote:A bad case on anyone is scummy, regardless of the resulting alignment when the object of that case dies.
I am alright with Kublai's attack on Quag. If Quagmire had a reasonable point against has, then it would be bad, but I think Quagmire was reaching with his case and Kublai's vote was a decent reaction.
Doesn't look chainsaw-y to me.
People need to post more, even a little. I have limited reads right now.
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I did interpret moles original post as that you had a bad reasoning for the case while he had good reasoning.
I dislike the chainsaw defense argument here. Attacking a player for a weak/non-existent attack on someone else is not scummy. If Quag had a good case, you would have a point but he certainly did not.
Well?Budja wrote:Quagmire had a pretty poor case on has at that point. Doesn't that mean by your own logic he would be scummy.
Yeah, I do see mole as scummier than Kublai but my vote still withheld. I don't really want L-1right now.-
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Eh, I asked the question as it appears to have roughly even pros/cons in my view. Now quag (bomb) is dead, it is probably more of a bad idea.
Note that it would give the vigs a free reign and well as the mafia.
Why would a super-saint claim be better? It gives scum a free target (much like with the bombs claiming) and reduces the risk of hammering to scum (which would discourage quickhammers by scum in LyLo).-
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I can't see any advantages to really be gained from the set-up either. Bombs and supersaints can be town or anti-town depending on the situation.
I don't see it as so bad as he is explaining his reasons.CKD wrote: ML is suspect with his voting hoping around and request for a wagon.
Having a wagon is not bad, but with mole's general apathy not much is happening.
I am still torn on this. I would vote if I was more confident but mole's behaviour is borderline enough that I don't really feel like lynching him, for now at least.Kublai wrote: Since Budja is offering a virtual L-1 at this point.
Do you think my question was scum-motivated then? Is a bomb claim that bad?Kublai wrote: Kinda a scummy suggestion there, Budja.
@CKD, why did you abandon your case on me? You seemed pretty convinced before.-
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CKD wrote:SO...either you or I are scum..and clearly we are the two lynch canidates today....
Sounds about right to me. The scum could coordinate for a quicklynch.Sample Mafia PM wrote:You may communicate with them at all times in this quicktopic thread.
If either of you is a super-saint, I think you should claim. Then the other can hammer the supersaint killing you both. Thoughts?-
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Actually, ignore my last post for now.
If the mafia quicklynch, the vigs could probably kill that person tomorrow, even through a doctor protection. Making a quicklynch a poor move for scum.
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You are missing my point.
From your logic before, you believed Kublai to be likely scum as a quick-lynch has not happened and it was LyLo.
In this case, my idea is decent.
I showed that a quicklynch was not optimal scum-play and hence one of you need not be scum.
So my idea is not so good. So I retracted my idea.
BTW, if you think I am scum, just say it.-
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Well, My case doesn't run solely of gut.
I dislike your position on me. Your strong Budja = obv-scum view died a bit suddenly, I don't seriously think my hammer should have influenced you so much. Then said I was neutral and now you say I am scummy again when I start trying to make a decent plan here.
I dislike your attack of KK. It is weak and clearly built on a fallacy and yet you stick to it. you placed a quick first vote in probable LyLo.
You play-style is looking very uncertain/wishy-washy. Hard to explain so call this gut if you wish.
Ok, its not watertight but its a damn sight better than anything else I can see.
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Another, far more obvious, reason for scum not to quickhammer is supersaints .
Scum might not kill due to possible bombs. Since the player-list is shorter, they might be trying to play in a "nightless vanilla" style. So this may not necc. be LyLo. (obv. don't rely on this).-
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Maybe he didn't realise the implications. But it was an odd move.
I guess it could be a gambit to give Macavity the win, but that feels unlikely.
Ok, I guess I'll reveal the main reason behind my suspicions.
I am a vig.
I tried to kill CDB yesterday immediately after Porochaz's death (I was sure one of them was prob scum and it was LyLo) but failed.
I did kill hascow (solely on gut) so I am not a blank shot.
So I was either roleblocked or CDB was doc-protected.
I am guessing that doc-protected is more likely so I am voting CDB.
(and elimination does suggest CDB as scum as well as I mentioned before).
Yeah, I am risking the scum-kill here but its probably worth it.
I don't think anyone else should claim. I'm not a great scum-kill and I don't want them to narrow down their options without risk.-
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I was hoping for super-saint but I guess you'd have to be stupid to fakeclaim that .
TBH, I am having trouble finding a case of CDB with his limited posts. I am still sure he is scum due to elimination.
On a reread from day 2.Korts wrote:Morning ends. Nothing happens.
I must be a blank vig as I submitted the kill during the morning.
Not that that helps anything at this stage.-
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