/in-vitational 3: Brass & Shrapnel. Over. before 831

[MacavityLock]

Welcome Poro! Claim please!

[Porochaz]

I am a bomb.

As I said before I think Budja's scum, Ive always thought that and I am confident enough to go with it.

vote Budja

[MacavityLock]

I would love love love for CKD to claim, but if he doesn't want to, I understand. I have some things to contemplate.

[Budja]

I was hoping for super-saint but I guess you'd have to be stupid to fakeclaim that .

TBH, I am having trouble finding a case of CDB with his limited posts. I am still sure he is scum due to elimination.

Morning ends. Nothing happens.

On a reread from day 2.
I must be a blank vig as I submitted the kill during the morning.
Not that that helps anything at this stage.

[Budja]

Well, no hammer proves Macavity is certainly not scum.

@Macavity, Whatever happens, do NOT claim. If you are not a bomb, scum could kill you for a auto-win (I'd be autolynched at that point).

[MacavityLock]

Well, no hammer proves Macavity is certainly not scum.

@Macavity, Whatever happens, do NOT claim. If you are not a bomb, scum could kill you for a auto-win (I'd be autolynched at that point).

I ain't no idiot. I will not be claiming. But I do want CKD to claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah, I guess mac is town.

and I think I know why he wants me to claim.

I am a vig.

Day 1, I tried to kill Bud.
Day 2, I tried to kill KK

I didnt even bother sending a kill today...I assume that I am blank....

guess I could try.

[MacavityLock]

CKD, before I start in on a real deep dive, I'd like to know what it would take to get you to into a PoroII-wagon today. That's how I'm leaning at the moment, and it would need you to make it happen.

[curiouskarmadog]

gut says Bud

I would say let me hear your case, but there really isnt anything going on in a 16 page game.

[MacavityLock]

I would like to hear opinions of the following claims:

Morning ends. Nothing happens.

On a reread from day 2.
I must be a blank vig as I submitted the kill during the morning.
Not that that helps anything at this stage.

I am a vig.

Day 1, I tried to kill Bud.
Day 2, I tried to kill KK

I didnt even bother sending a kill today...I assume that I am blank....

guess I could try.

That is, the questions I'm most interested in: a) Budja earlier claimed responsibility for hascow's death, but now recognizes that the timing wasn't right. Is this mistake/"mistake" more likely to come from scum? b) Does CKD's play make sense given him as blank vig?

Also, CKD, I see no harm in you attempting to kill Budja.

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@mod

, yet another setup question I couldn't seem to find in the rules: There was flexibility in the setup (3-5 vig-types, 2-4 bomb/supersaints, distribution of roles within that group unknown, etc.) Did you build the setup such that you knew the distribution of roles going in, or was it designed with uncertainty and dice-rolling?

That is, did you say "I will have 5 vigs (2 blank, 3 not) & 2 bomb/supersaints (1 of each)", or did you say "I will roll 1d3 to find out which distribution, and within each group, I will roll 1d2 to decide between bomb/supersaint or blank/regular vig"? Thanks!

[curiouskarmadog]

I already did, mod already confirmed to receive it

[Korts]

@mod, yet another setup question I couldn't seem to find in the rules: There was flexibility in the setup (3-5 vig-types, 2-4 bomb/supersaints, distribution of roles within that group unknown, etc.) Did you build the setup such that you knew the distribution of roles going in, or was it designed with uncertainty and dice-rolling?

That is, did you say "I will have 5 vigs (2 blank, 3 not) & 2 bomb/supersaints (1 of each)", or did you say "I will roll 1d3 to find out which distribution, and within each group, I will roll 1d2 to decide between bomb/supersaint or blank/regular vig"? Thanks!

The setup was designed to be as balanced as possible. The apparent flexibility is only to preempt any attempts at breaking the game by massclaim.

[curiouskarmadog]

bump

[MacavityLock]

OK, screw waiting around. I was going to wait until Budja and PoroII chimed in, but nevermind. Here's my best case on PoroII:

1) Both CKD and Budja have done things I don't think scum would do. Budja's RV was on Kublai, Korts missed it, Budja reminded him, and then they had that little tiff about whether it was pro-town to remind the mod about the vote. In my opinion, that would have had to be heavily manufactured to be from scumbuddies. At the end of Day 1, Budja added his vote to the Quag-wagon. CKD, I know that you think that vote would never have counted and Budja did it to earn townie points, but I don't think that there was any way Budja could have known Korts's policy, so either way it was a real risk, not something scum would have done.

CKD, your day 3 was very anti-Kublai, and it didn't look like bussing.

2) CDB/PoroII has done basically nothing in this game. I have no real useful ties or buses to make with him.

3) And now the kicker. Sorry Korts, I'm going to break the game with a mass-claim. I'm a Bomb. That means 2 town bombs (me and Quag) and 1 unknown claimer (PoroII). While having 3 bombs + 1 supersaint fits into the flexible setup, I highly doubt that it's balanced given 2 scum.

OK, time to see if I made the right choice.

Vote: PoroII

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[Korts]

Vote Count

(2) Budja- curiouskarmadog, Porochaz

(2) Porochaz II- Budja, MacavityLock

not voting:

3 to lynch

[curiouskarmadog]

checking in...going to think about it...my gut really is saying Bud...everytime i go against it...I lose...

unvote

for now.

[Budja]

That's proof CKD is not scum either. My vote is absolutely fixed now.

@CKD, you have any questions?

[curiouskarmadog]

so basically a lurker or someone I got a gut vibe off of.

dammit....I really dont know..

will make a decision tomorrow

[MacavityLock]

That's proof CKD is not scum either.

Yes it is. Not only that, but the fact that it's been over a day since I made my vote is also substantial evidence that Budja isn't scum. If he was scum, he could have immediately sent a kill on CKD that would have auto-lynched PoroII. It certainly isn't proof, as we have no real idea when/if Budja checked in on the thread yesterday, but it's definitely something. I knew when I made it that my vote would be enough to end the game in a town loss if either Budja or CKD were scum, and it ain't over yet, so...

[curiouskarmadog]

ok,

vote poro

[Budja]

I am town .

[curiouskarmadog]

well, that was the hammer...so you can tell if you are not.

[MacavityLock]

Rock rock on. Obviously, I am town.

[Budja]

Its clearly the hammer, and I am town. Still you can wait for the flip to prove it.

Well done Macavity, your set-up analysis was well done and you made the right choice. I'm glad my read on CDB was good despite my vig assumption.

[Porochaz]

Well congrats to the scum. Well done to Budja. Still going with you.