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Vote: BSG"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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AnArtem wrote:Hey all.
Vote: Artifexfor copying the first three letters of my name and for pouncing on an easy target.easy target?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Even if IPanzerjager wrote:It's cause you suck xd, like in the scumchat days =P.didsuck, I'm already mod-confirmed.
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I also happen to live in Bolton, while (assumingly) other players in this game do not. Does this also mean I am scum?Artem wrote:
A player who puts somebody at three votes when everybody else has at most one is an easy target.Xdaamno wrote:
AnArtem wrote:Hey all.
Vote: Artifexfor copying the first three letters of my name and for pouncing on an easy target.easy target?
If you're going to claim a correlation between putting players at L-4 in the random voting stage and chance of being scum, I'll need to hear some justification."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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The only possible way I can conceive of a player not realising that was a joke would be if said player was looking for reasons to attack people.Lunar_Tick wrote:
Are you actually defeating your own argument with a counterclaim of "but it's under Panzer's name"? Surely one oughtn't use ones fos so lightly, neh?charter wrote:Fos Artem. I think you could actually be scum. Bringing a RVS wagon to three votes is scummy? That's some imagination. I'd vote for you but Panzer has already been caught.
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My mistake. I always assume there's something fishy about cats.Artem wrote:charter wrote:Fos Artem. I think you could actually be scum. Bringing a RVS wagon to three votes is scummy? That's some imagination. I'd vote for you but Panzer has already been caught.
I'm not the one voting for Xdaamno. What makes you think I'm calling 3 votes/L-4 scummy?Xdaamno wrote: If you're going to claim a correlation between putting players at L-4 in the random voting stage and chance of being scum, I'll need to hear some justification."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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On a re-read, it was clear Artem was joking. These are the two posts in question:charter wrote:
No... You had it right.Xdaamno wrote:My mistake. I always assume there's something fishy about cats.
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Vote: Artifexfor copying the first three letters of my name and for pouncing on an easy target.Artem wrote:
A player who puts somebody at three votes when everybody else has at most one is an easy target.Xdaamno wrote:
AnArtem wrote:Hey all.
Vote: Artifexfor copying the first three letters of my name and for pouncing on an easy target.easy target?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Hmm... player-by-player analyses are good for content and poor for scumhunting
Yeah, yeah, I'll try and post more. Can you pinpoint 'scumish'?Panzerjager wrote:Xdaamno: disappeared afterrandom stage. scummish. Due to when he disappeared. Hasn't made many if any relevent post."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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The original attack on Artem was obvious BS, but I'm surprised Artem needed me to point that out for him.
After a re-read, it's a good lynch right now.
Vote: Artem"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Saved by a rule that I hate... I'm not going to complain.
I didn't know that was a hammer. Let me re-read to see how the hell we got to L-1 on page 5."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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(Did anyone actually think my answer to that question would have been "Yes"? If you're going to attack me for the hammer do so for a "lying" read, rather than the "opportunistic" nature of the vote itself.)"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I have, actually. I just find it difficult to get back into posting after having missed a few days. The slip-up was only due to me forgetting the votecount; nobody actually mentioned their votes put Artem at L-1.Lynx The Antithesis wrote:You haven't been paying to much attention to this game have you?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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That's unusual. Interrogating, when the answers to all of those questions should be obvious to anyone who's done a moment's thought. This is a real, general "trying to look helpful" scum vibe.charter wrote:Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?
Unvote, Vote: charter"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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It was a pressure vote, actually. I also call bullshit on "contributed nothing" and "given no case".Lynx The Antithesis wrote:Also,Unvote, Vote:Xdaamno
He hastily jumped on the Artem wagon with no analysis or evidence of his own(For the hammer vote nonetheless). He's contributed nothing to the active scumhunting and given no case for any of his votes. Just shown little activity, but is still obviously here.
Grasping.
Danchao, Idearlyhope you're not voting me for the same reasons. If it's just "vibes", please try and pinpoint the post you got them from."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Mafia makes me mad. I think this argument is fallacious enough for me to have to actually waste time rebutting it.Panzerjager wrote:You HAVE contributed nothing. Most of your 14 game post have been less then 3 lines and most of those have been completely either exetremely defensivve post that don't add anything to the discussion or completely contentless all together.
Unvote, Vote Xdaamno
And yet I will anyway, since I'm aware people would call me out on that.*glare*
First off, 14 not a low number
188 / 12 = 15.66
188 / 13 = 14.46...
Secondly, I have made it clear I find it difficult to get back into a discussion when I'm not already involved. When people attack me, I amautomatically involved.
Thirdly, every single one of my posts outside the random voting stage has been entirely relevant. Can you give an example of what you mean by "completely contentless all together", Panzer?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Xdaamno wrote:Mafia makes me mad. I think this argument is fallacious enough for me tonothave to actually waste time rebutting it."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Sarnath'd the evidence to you, BSG."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Am I really coming across that elitist?I also got the wrong impression like Charter about your 'saved' comment and I'm also wondering how you could miss the VC. Perhaps it's not that easy to understand, as we're not as great as you ( ), so can you please answer the questions from post 152?
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I've been in a mini normal with one before, she claimed after she replaced in day one too. Let me just say we had some WIERD roles in that game too...Danchaofan wrote:And AFTER that, can anyone who has ever considered using such a role or seen such a role know if the event action would be given in the role pm of a mini-normal, or could give a rough idea of how likely such a role is to appear in a mini-normal.Artem wrote:Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?I already answered these questions, BSG.
Thought I had made the answers clear, but I guess I never finished posting it for some reason.
I said I was "saved", because I was saved from having accidentally lynched Artem.
I first said I would re-read Artem's case, then said I would re-read something entirely different.
I didn't actually "miss" the votecount, of course - I just posted that post probably two days after "reading" it, and I wasn't looking at it at the time."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Uh, I don't think so, especially because my Artem vote was also for pressure.BSG wrote:As already mentioned, there was a VC on top of the page where you 'voted' Artem. Strange that you didn't pay much attention towards the VC when you wanted to apply pressure, not?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.BSG wrote:I assume that you are saying that I have to give evidence that you aren't giving any cases.
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The only possible way I can conceive of a player not realising that was a joke would be if said player was looking for reasons to attack people.Lunar_Tick wrote:
Are you actually defeating your own argument with a counterclaim of "but it's under Panzer's name"? Surely one oughtn't use ones fos so lightly, neh?charter wrote:Fos Artem. I think you could actually be scum. Bringing a RVS wagon to three votes is scummy? That's some imagination. I'd vote for you but Panzer has already been caught.
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Of your now 16 posts, these two were the only one which I could find in which you attack a player. As you didn't continue with the first attack, it means nothing to me. And the second is based upon a vibe. I don't really call those cases.Xdaamno wrote:
That's unusual. Interrogating, when the answers to all of those questions should be obvious to anyone who's done a moment's thought. This is a real, general "trying to look helpful" scum vibe.charter wrote:Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?
Unvote, Vote: charter
You're part right about your contribution. Some posts of yours have responded to discussion, but not all of them. This includes some posts after your 'vote'. But as said, I was more interested in the cases.
Can you show your evidence? Because I'm not a fan of reflecting questions before answering.
Yeah, the quote went wrong. I'm also way too pissy when I imply things are 'obvious' :/BSG wrote:When I get irritated, I post sometimes sarcastic things. One example is what you just quoted, Xdn. I just got the feeling that you saw as 'weaker' as you said that those answers should be obvious. But I didn't know them, and apparently Charter didn't as well. I hate it when players act like everyone should know.
Also, did the quote went wrong in post 192?
I assumed we would not be at L-1 at this stage of the game, and it's likely I was in a rush.BSG wrote:
This quote bothers me. It's just strange to say that you were saved before the flip.xdaamno wrote:I said I was "saved", because I was saved from having accidentally lynched Artem.
I still find it strange that you didn't check it before you voted. And can you also explain post 193. I don't get the 'also' in it.
The "also" means that the vote was both for pressure, and an indication I was suspiscious of Artem. Only the latter would be justification for a hammer vote, and I certainly didn't believe it had got to that stage.
My suspiscions on Artem are suspisciously vibe-ish, I agree. I'm a huge proponent of trying to explain vibes rather than pass them off as gut, so my Artem vibes might well have been baseless (yes, I can't remember what they were about)."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Ah, you thought I meant "grrr, Artem, foiled again"? I guess it kind of looked that way.Master Ruck wrote:Damn. If Xda is telling the truth, then I was wrong in my assumption of his being 'saved'. I'll not answer questions on another's behalf again.
Also, BSG, where's that FoS coming from? Any reason you'd like to point out or you just doing it cuz you can?
The "telling the truth" part is redundant. I'm in the business of making myself look town in either alignment. If I actually thought I wanted to lynch Artem but wanted to let you guys know I didn't want to lynch Artem, there's no reason I'd hide my personal message in my own post.
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I never said I did so, though I still might do so (might=/=probably); that language irks me. I'm not saying it's a scum tell, but "who do you think is scum" and "who do you think is the most scummy" is the mafia version of a false dichotomy.Lynx wrote:Xdaamno, care to give a little more insight as to why you view charter as most scummy?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Fixed the weird grammar.Xdaamno wrote:
I never said I did, though I still might do so (might=/=probably). That language irks me. I'm not saying it's a scum tell, but "who do you think is scum" and "who do you think is the most scummy" are the mafia versions of a false dichotomy.Lynx wrote:Xdaamno, care to give a little more insight as to why you view charter as most scummy?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Hm, the wording still isn't perfect!Lynx The Antithesis wrote:Incorrect wording on my part. I'll give you that. How about why do you think he'sscummy enoughto place your vote on him?
Like I said, the vote was part vibes (urgh) and part pressure. You imply a 'vote' is somehow a declaration of "I think this guy is scummy"."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Lynx The Antithesis wrote:I do imply such a declaration at this stage of the game. For me, pressure votes are utilized more effectively earlier in the game. And to point out it's use for pressure basically nullifies its use for said pressure. Basing votes purely off vibes is pretty impractical.
I absolutely disagree; pressure votes are useful at any stage - and of course pressure votes are useless after being pointed out, I left it until a whole few pages had passed until I showed my hand. I agree that basing votes purely off vibes isveryimpractical.
Perhaps this is a cop-out on my part. The vote wasn't significant to me, so trying to justify it may be fruitless. Either way, I believe we're discussing methodology, not scum hunting.
You're saying... I thought he was scummy, therefore he was somewhat scummy to me? Yes. That may not apply now, I'd need to look over his - and my - posts. Also, the last sentence is incorrect, as I have clearly stated why I voted (pressure, ugly vibes, insignificance lowering the bar anyhow).Lynx wrote:Also, didn't you say that while he was pressing you his questions came off scummy. Does that not make him somewhat scummy to you? You're practically taking away any Value from your vote at this point.
Also, ergh... I hate using capitals on a letter superfluously, it makes it sound like we're dealing with some kind of currency here."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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No, I'm naturally less interested when I'm not involved, as I said. What about the 'Artem thing' do you not dig?Panzerjager wrote:I'm still not digging Xd's explanation for the Artem thing, and so if I don't involve you directly in the questions you're not gonna weigh in? Assume every question I ask I want your opinion on unless I state otherwise."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Well, I didn't have anything in mind. If we knew what was on Mars, we wouldn't need to send probes there.Artem wrote:
So, what were you pressuring me to do? Roleclaim?Xdaamno wrote: I absolutely disagree; pressure votes are useful at any stage - and of course pressure votes are useless after being pointed out, I left it until a whole few pages had passed until I showed my hand. I agree that basing votes purely off vibes is very impractical.
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Urgh indeed. You know how you were asking about that elitist thing earlier? This is a classic example of that, BTW. I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but I dont think Id ever point it out, knowing that I too am subject to the occasional grammatical quirk.Xdaamno wrote: Also, ergh... I hate using capitals on a letter superfluously, it makes it sound like we're dealing with some kind of currency here.
I'm not doing anything intentionally, it's just something that bugs me."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I lost interest. I'll go look back at the reactions sometime.Artem wrote:
Would you like to share with us what your probe found on planet Artem? After all, you need to justify the future funding of the project "probe".Xddam wrote: Well, I didn't have anything in mind. If we knew what was on Mars, we wouldn't need to send probes there."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Bull. Can you show me a point you (or anyone else) have made that I have failed to show does not make me scum?charter wrote:I think they're poor and indicative of scum. The fact that his wagon didn't balloon after an attempted speedhammer also makes me question why more people aren't voting him."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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EBWOP: Poorly worded, but I think you see what I'm saying."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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-still waiting for this stealth bandwagon to give some evidence-"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I'll respond to charter tommorow.Master Ruck wrote:I figured I'd take the time to look at Xd's posts to see if this wagon is unfounded or not. After doing so,I don't have any reason to disagree with it.There was a large week-long gap between posts, the first after the gap saying he'll post more and the post after being the would-be lynch. Arguments have been made against him and he has either barely defended, poorly defended or not bothered to defend against by saying he has lost interest."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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EBWOP: I haven't ever barely defended, poorly defended or not bothered to defend myself, ever, to my knowledge."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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OK, I certainly admit to that. I'm being lazy, in that I'm going for the easy arguments to make (that is, those for which I know the ultimate answer beforehand). I'm still slacking at my second job. Several of your points, such as the below, fall under this general area. If you're going to be analyzing me, we should stick to my alignment.
Artem wrote:In 208 Xda admits he cant remember where his original 'vibes' off of Artem came from and that he'd have to do a re-read. Color me skeptical that this will happen at this point..."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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My scumdar is beeping again.Master Ruck wrote:Still, as scummy as it sounds for me to say it, I don't actually have anything else to add to the Xdaamno case.Charter especially, as well as panzer, lynx and artifex now have all made quite clear what you have done and any more dodging will not make you look any better.Perhapsyou should start being a bit more direct with questions asked against you. Actually,maybewe should ask you what you think of the other players now and see if you make any attempt to answer. You're at L-1 now anyway, so if you're going to be lynched it's best we at least hear who you think is scum and who's not.
I'll do a direct Q&A post tommorow, mark my words! I'll lynch myself, otherwise."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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For the second time, could you please provide a reference?charter wrote:
Not bull.Xdaamno wrote:
Bull. Can you show me a point you (or anyone else) have made that I have failed to show does not make me scum?charter wrote:I think they're poor and indicative of scum. The fact that his wagon didn't balloon after an attempted speedhammer also makes me question why more people aren't voting him.
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I ask you legitamate questions, and you blow them off and OMGUS vote me. It's not even OMGUS, it's just a TERRIBLE vote you throw down. NONE of the answers there were remotely obvious. What is obvious is that your overreacting and refusal to answer is incredibly scummy of you. When you finally did give answers, they were bad.Xdaamno wrote:
That's unusual. Interrogating, when the answers to all of those questions should be obvious to anyone who's done a moment's thought. This is a real, general "trying to look helpful" scum vibe.charter wrote:Xdaamo, why did you say Artem would be a good lynch, then you were "saved" when her lynch didn't actually occur? Why the backpedal? And why did you say you reread when you voted, and then in your next post say you need to reread? And how did you miss it being L-1 with a votecount at the top of the page?
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You've never explained why you hammered and wanted an Artem lynch, then flipped around once Artem claimed.veryobvious. Please show how my answers were 'bad'.
Also, I thought I had already made it clear I did not want an Artem lynch. My vote was (primarily) a pressure vote.
Either that, or I wascharter wrote:Also,
Adding reasosn for your vote after it's way too late, in an attempt to make it seem like you didn't mean the lynch. In your hammer post, you clearly did want the lynch then. The story changing and flip flopping is scummy.Xdaamno wrote:
Uh, I don't think so, especially because my Artem vote was also for pressure.BSG wrote:As already mentioned, there was a VC on top of the page where you 'voted' Artem. Strange that you didn't pay much attention towards the VC when you wanted to apply pressure, not?telling the truth. You have proposed an alternate scenario in which I hammered someoneon purposeand let the town know as such, then did not rectify my 'mistake' when my vote was not counted. You have not explained why this scenario is more plausable than the status quo. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, we should assume it's a duck. You're eerily reminiscient of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
As I said above, your logic is circular. If I was scum I would be doing as you said (which is an implausable scenario, but I'll be generous and say it's neutral) and if I was town I'd be doing what I had said. What makes one scenario more likely than the other? It's certainly not because you have a kink for stating fallacy as fact.charter wrote:
Scummy as well.Xdaamo wrote:I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.
You try and change your reasons some more again later. None of the excuses fly because you said you wanted an Artem lynch. Not Artem pressure, not because you were suspicious of Artem.
You said "story changing and flip flopping is scummy". This is also circular logic; see above. I was only flip-flopping if I wasscum in the first place.
As I mentioned, this post is very fallacious. We should not agree with a wagon because we have no reason to disagree with it. Please provide references for my 'poorly defended' (or etc) points, then explain why that makes me scum rather than a poor scumhunter.Master Ruck wrote:I figured I'd take the time to look at Xd's posts to see if this wagon is unfounded or not.After doing so, I don't have any reason to disagree with it.There was a large week-long gap between posts, the first after the gap saying he'll post more and the post after being the would-be lynch. Arguments have been made against him and he has either barely defended, poorly defended or not bothered to defend against by saying he has lost interest.
This is a very,Master Ruck wrote:I'm gonnaVote: Xdaamnoand make itverythat this puts Xd at L-1, so nobody else vote him yet. I'll unvote if people want to feel more safe and discuss more, but as far as I can see with his lack of scum hunting and the potential hammer,discussion is essentiallyover and unless anyone disagrees Xda should claim.veryanti-town manuoever, but it may be poor methodology.
On a re-read, it seems the most likely scenario was a combination of a scum's mindset to rush a lynch and poor methodology in general; a town player would not be in a mindset to say such a thing in the first place.
Gross misunderstanding of the OMGUS scumtell.Master Ruck wrote:EBWOP: seems OMGUSy of Xd to throw that back at me.
I'm still not sure how your gripe with my methodology self-explanatorarily (great phrase) indicates me as scum. Can you clarify?Master Ruck wrote:
Self explanatory, thanks to BSG, and Lowell sums it up surprisingly well with his pbp post. I feel confidant with my post.Xdaamno wrote:I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.
Yep. This bandwagon is unfounded anyway, and I don't believe it's strong enough to warrant a claim.Master Ruck wrote:@Xdaamo, do not claim until after you've defended yourself (in case it wasn't obvious)
What "results" are you expecting? I suggested that I would address my bandwagon, which is easy as I know the ultimate question of my alignment anyway. Scumhunting is something I do not wish to do by request.Artifex wrote:@Xda- Okay, it will actually be easier to do as you ask me to- analyze your alignment- if you follow through and post some results on scumhunting, so I'll be waiting.
Please justify how my defense instead of offense makes me scum. This is the second time you've played the 'self-explanatory' card, so I'll assume you have no idea what you're talking about yourself unless you address this remark.Master Ruck wrote:Ok, I'll stay. I'm still keeping my vote on Xda for now, at least until he expresses some opinions on other players that are scummy instead of some form of defense.
Lowell wrote:Where did 254 come from? Seriously.
I was just about to add MR to my town list. Scratch that.You have it backwards. I would argue his flimsy, fallacious reasoning is more indicative of scum than his jumping at the slightest attack.
After reading my own post I agree with you, except I was about to vote him regardless.
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Unvote, Vote: Master Ruck"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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What thecharter wrote:Happy with an Xdaamo lynch if he's going to continue saying the answers were obvious, when the only obvious thing is that they were confusing (as is shown in the thread)heck? The only time I said the answers to those questions were obvious in my post is when I had already answered them. I believe I specifically asked you tochallengethose answers if you did not believe they were correct. If you are going to claim the answers are confusing, please statewhy, just as I did."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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EBWOP: A spelling mistake or two.
Seriously, though? Calling me out for saying the answers were obvious when I had already explained them, then calling my answers "confusing" without doing the same thing? Hypocrite.Xdaamno wrote:
What thecharter wrote:Happy with an Xdaamo lynch if he's going to continue saying the answers were obvious, when the only obvious thing is that they were confusing (as is shown in the thread)heck? The only time I said the answers to those questions were obvious in my post was when I had already answered them. I believe I specifically asked you tochallengethose answers if you did not believe they were correct. If you are going to claim the answers are confusing, please statewhyyou believe so, just as I did."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Double EBWOP: Also, it's clear you didn't read half of that post. For the third time, I would like you to answer my questions (and perhaps address each point)."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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You to make things clear, charter, you are implying I tried to make it look like an accidental lynch?
Also, here are the questions in my post make things clear:
By this, I meant "show me the answers that are poor and indicative of scum".Xdaamno wrote:
For the second time, could you please provide a reference?charter wrote:
Not bull.Xdaamno wrote:
Bull. Can you show me a point you (or anyone else) have made that I have failed to show does not make me scum?charter wrote:I think they're poor and indicative of scum. The fact that his wagon didn't balloon after an attempted speedhammer also makes me question why more people aren't voting him.
Either that, or I wascharter wrote:Also,
Adding reasosn for your vote after it's way too late, in an attempt to make it seem like you didn't mean the lynch. In your hammer post, you clearly did want the lynch then. The story changing and flip flopping is scummy.Xdaamno wrote:
Uh, I don't think so, especially because my Artem vote was also for pressure.BSG wrote:As already mentioned, there was a VC on top of the page where you 'voted' Artem. Strange that you didn't pay much attention towards the VC when you wanted to apply pressure, not?telling the truth. You have proposed an alternate scenario in which I hammered someoneon purposeand let the town know as such, then did not rectify my 'mistake' when my vote was not counted. You have not explained why this scenario is more plausable than the status quo. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, we should assume it's a duck. You're eerily reminiscient of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
As I said above, your logic is circular. If I was scum I would be doing as you said (which is an implausable scenario, but I'll be generous and say it's neutral) and if I was town I'd be doing what I had said. What makes one scenario more likely than the other? It's certainly not because you have a kink for stating fallacy as fact.charter wrote:
Scummy as well.Xdaamo wrote:I admit many of my posts have been speculation. Distancing myself from 'the main scum hunt' is something I do actively.
You try and change your reasons some more again later. None of the excuses fly because you said you wanted an Artem lynch. Not Artem pressure, not because you were suspicious of Artem.
You said "story changing and flip flopping is scummy". This is also circular logic; see above. I was only flip-flopping if I wasscum in the first place.[/quote]
Here, I asked "what makes one scenario more like than the other"? This was rhetorical, but if your argument is not completely invalid you must have an answer for this, or you must point out the question is flawed."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Fix'ed.Xdaamno wrote:Justto make things clear, charter, you are implying I tried to make it look like an accidental lynch?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Heh, this kind of reminds me of one of Adel's links I read today:Artem wrote:Xdaamno wrote:The original attack on Artem was obvious BS, but I'm surprised Artem needed me to point that out for him.
After a re-read,it's a good lynch right now.
So, it was a good lynch but you didn't want it? How does that work?Xdaamno wrote: Also, I thought I had already made it clearI did not want an Artem lynch. My vote was (primarily) a pressure vote.
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"Good lynch" was ambigious, apologies for that. I did not mean I 'wanted an Artem lynch', but rather 'I would lynch Artem if I had to pick someone'.
That's an argument from ignorance, at best; if you do not understand my logic, please give me a reference and I will explain my logic for you. I don't know what you mean by "talkin in circles" - could you give a reference for this, too?tubby216 wrote:ok lynx i re-read the thread agian this time a lil more objectively and figure i was wrong.
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the more i read xdaamo the more i see what you guys are talkin about.
@xdaamo it seems as if you are talkin in circles and your logic is hard for me to follow.
As explained above, you misunderstood my story. This explains why I would "change" my story as town. We go back to the original point (what makes A more likely than B), but weighted a little more towards your side; you are right, and it is now more probable I am scum.charter wrote:
No. You said you wanted an Artem lynch when you cast the vote. Now you're saying you voted for pressure. You're changing your story.Xdaamo wrote:Just to make things clear, charter, you are implying I tried to make it look like an accidental lynch?
What makes you scum more likely is that I don't see town changing their story (and having a really weak one to begin with). Why would you try and cover up your original reason for voting? I see it much more likely that scum would do that.Xdaamo wrote:As I said above, your logic is circular. If I was scum I would be doing as you said (which is an implausable scenario, but I'll be generous and say it's neutral) and if I was town I'd be doing what I had said. What makes one scenario more likely than the other? It's certainly not because you have a kink for stating fallacy as fact.
Same as above.Xdaamo wrote:Here, I asked "what makes one scenario more like than the other"? This was rhetorical, but if your argument is not completely invalid you must have an answer for this, or you must point out the question is flawed.
Artem is right in 273.
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That would only apply if they were declaring an Xdaamno/Artem scumpair.Darox wrote:Everyone who finds both Xdaamno & artem suspicious and also thinks that Xdaamno's vote was a failed hammer not a misjudged pressure vote: How does that work exactly?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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The second is a copy/paste of the first... *shrug*"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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By that, do you mean you want to lynch me or that you would pick me if choosing someone?charter wrote:Still want the Xdaamo lynch."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Based on a single statistical point? Or is it vibes/something you haven't mentioned yet?charter wrote:I think you're scum, I want to lynch you."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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No, no, "right now" was the key phrase; if I had to pickArtem wrote:But who was making you pick anybody? You said I was a good lynch "right now", implying that you were ready to lynch me right that second.right now, I would've picked you.
Artem wrote:...and if it was a pressure vote, seeing that you're at L-1, I would like you to address the following:[/quota]
CBA. I place my own happiness above winning. I believe several people have 'forgotten' similar promises."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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The first two points are the same thing: you... want me to giveArtem wrote:
Yes, I noted that, but you're sitting at L-1, so we may never hear your analysis.Xdaamno wrote: CBA. I place my own happiness above winning. I believe several people have 'forgotten' similar promises.
In case it's not clear, I'm calling bull on the "it was just a pressure vote" argument.
You haven't given motivation, you haven't explained the sudden release of pressure, and you haven't analyzed the results (like you promised you would).justificationfor a pressure vote? 0_o
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I'm saying that the certainty my final words being right there and in recent memory when you guys start the next day is more valuable than the slim chance we lynch somebody else. Do you disagree?Master Ruck wrote:
Uh huh, because that is really the best thing for town right now, huh.Xdaamno wrote:I'll give a player-by-player analysis later todaybefore I self-hammer(so that you guys remember what I say)."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I take offense to 'look this bad'. I believe I have owned up to every single argument I have made that is not solid. I'd also like to point out the case on me is laughable, since I have nothing to lose. Your methodology should be logical, not "vibes" or "I don't get it".Master Ruck wrote:
Purely a coincidence, my dear, I assure you.Artifex wrote:And Ruck's hopping on and off of the Xda train has definitely raised my eyebrows- I can't help but notice that the candidate you took to L-1 last time is now on his way again without you even having to cast a vote.
I don't know how much water this will hold considering my current erratic, admittedly suspicious voting pattern, but I won't object to xdaamno being lynched either. He's either scum, or a townie that naturally makes himself look this bad. If the latter is the case, he's not doing much to scum hunt his way out of it."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Hmm, tough one. Perhaps I'm telling the truth.Artifex wrote:
What would make you unhappy about doing what he's asking you to do? You said you voted him out of pressure, and he wants to know your thoughts on how he acted under that pressure. Looking back over the last few pages, all of your responses of have that CBA tone. Why?Xdaamno wrote:CBA. I place my own happiness above winning. I believe several people have 'forgotten' similar promises."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Circular logic. A hammer is bad because it is "anti-town". Please try again and actually address my point.Master Ruck wrote:
Yes, because as far as I know a self-hammer is anti-town and not something that should be resorted to.Xdaamno wrote:
I'm saying that the certainty my final words being right there and in recent memory when you guys start the next day is more valuable than the slim chance we lynch somebody else. Do you disagree?Master Ruck wrote:
Uh huh, because that is really the best thing for town right now, huh.Xdaamno wrote:I'll give a player-by-player analysis later todaybefore I self-hammer(so that you guys remember what I say).
Of course I look bad. However, you said I "naturally make myself look bad". Those are two entirely different things. Scum, misunderstandings, bloodthirsty towns, people have bad days andMaster Ruck wrote:
You take offence? If you're town, you have 6 votes on you and a hammer soon on its way, and you don't think you look that bad?Xdaamno wrote:
I take offense to 'look this bad'. I believe I have owned up to every single argument I have made that is not solid. I'd also like to point out the case on me is laughable, since I have nothing to lose. Your methodology should be logical, not "vibes" or "I don't get it".Master Ruck wrote:
Purely a coincidence, my dear, I assure you.Artifex wrote:And Ruck's hopping on and off of the Xda train has definitely raised my eyebrows- I can't help but notice that the candidate you took to L-1 last time is now on his way again without you even having to cast a vote.
I don't know how much water this will hold considering my current erratic, admittedly suspicious voting pattern, but I won't object to xdaamno being lynched either. He's either scum, or a townie that naturally makes himself look this bad. If the latter is the case, he's not doing much to scum hunt his way out of it.mehaving bad days are fivehugeextra factors that I'm surprised you missed.
charter wrote:Would anyone else run up Panzer before deadline with me? I believe he has a way higher chance of being scum.Unvote, Vote: Panzer
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No, that was my reasoning.charter wrote:Is the reason for voting panzer because he is a possible lynch besides yourself? If it's different please tell."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Leaving my final words as the last post of the day is aMaster Ruck wrote:Consider the point already addressed. I'm not stopping you from saying your final words, which town could use later if you flip town, but the self-hammer is what I see as bad and your lynch (if it happens today) should be made by another so we can use it later in the game as some sort of clue. If you want your final words to be remembered, then make them convincing. Nothing else is necessary.hugeadvantage, and you're trying to claim that it is superfluous? Are youseriously trying to argue that you guys will remember my argument I made 8 pages ago as much as the one I made yesterday?That's a nessecity for time to be irrelevant, which is what you are claiming.
Not only is thatMaster Ruck wrote:Then those are other possibilities, but you've still done nothing to scum-hunt your way out of it.irrelevant, it'snot true. I'm ignoring your arguments from now on, because they're making me annoyed."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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Heh.Master Ruck wrote:Most of what you have done seems to be in defense, which now gives me the impression that you may be a townie, just an angry, prone-to-mistakes townie yet equally likely to be scum tactics. Right now, I don't know which one to believe.I'mprone to mistakes, he says, just after making a mistake in attacking my methodology and not being man enough to admit it. Go fuck yourself."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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OK - I was confused by the implication that "making mistakes" is out of the ordinary.Master Ruck wrote:Since when did I say I'm not prone to mistakes? Iexpectmyself to make mistakes partially due to me being kinda new, but mostly because I almost always make mistakes no matter what the situation I'm in. And...I just said I don't know what to think of you, which means I don't explicitly think you're scum, to which I get a "Go fuck yourself"."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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This is an interesting scenario. Consider the two possible situations:Lowell wrote:This is a mistake.
Xda is avoiding lynch by threatening to hammer himself. Not smart.
I am town, and the optimal play is to lynch someone else.
I am scum, and the optimal play is to test me to see if I will hammer myself.
If you actually believe I am scum this is irrelevant to you. If you believe I am town, you will be pushing to lynch someone else. If you wanted me lynched before the "threat", this shouldn't make a difference at all to you."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I already have done. I would prefer any member of this game to be lynched before me.afatchic wrote:Xdaamno can you explain why you are voting Panxerjager."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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