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VOTE: PhantomCobaltIn post 1125, Io wrote:As far as I'm concerned Thor, Giga, Smith, and Luna are all exrtremely unlikely to be scum because of Karnos's basic interactions with them.
Honestly I think KTS is Town adn PC is the most likely person to be Karnos's partner because of this interaction they had.
Just looking at it, it's so casual compared to how Karnos interacted with out people in the begining.In post 198, karnos wrote:
How rude. I haven't done a VC recently, I hope that wasn't hammer.In post 185, PhantomCobalt wrote:VOTE: karnos for being the first one to post after my introduction!
Hello PC.
Not to mention it's a pretty light hearted accusation from PC and dropped soon after. And Karnos's responce wasn't even serious either.
Of course PC also has Karnos as top Town as well as Luna and Giga as top scum.
VOTE: PC
I'm aware no one is voting for him, but I don't care when he's the most likely person to be scum in my eyes.
Actually, I want to lynch this because the scumread of Tenshii (note that I am not scumreading him) is based entirely on the fact that he pushed a counterwagon to Karnos. But we don't know the alignment of the counterwagonnee, so this should be our first lynch, no questions asked.
Rosske is not bad for the next lynch though, smith had a good post in his ISO that was intended for KTS but it also applies to Rosske. I'll quote it in a sec.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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^ this also can apply to Rosske, it was meant for KTSIn post 1271, mhsmith0 wrote:
Fun question: why was scum!karnos not on the Thor counter wagon here? The lazy answer is Thor is his buddy. The more plausible answer is one of:In post 146, tojam2 wrote:
VC Day 1 - 3
karnos L-3 - Io, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, Rosske
Io L-5 - karnos
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1) karnos buddy already on Thor wagon, dont want to push together
2) karnos didn't want to active push the Thor mislynch wagon, wanted to park his vote elsewhere while continuing his back and forthi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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damn it you're rightIn post 1514, Transcend wrote:no.
VOTE: Rosske
please just read his iso and tell me it doesn't reek like scum.
this is the coasting wolf we've been looking for all game.
(also since tojam is not modding any more is the no cursing rule still in effect...?)i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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The "just gut" push on Thor was pretty bad too tbqh, it's literally a textbook example of a chainsaw (for a flipped scum) and the reasoning behind it is vague and thus easy to fake.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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that's not what active lurking is though....
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i've nothing to say
we should wait for transcendentalism and rosske though, I want Rosske to answer Thor's questions about Transcend and Transcend to give thoughts about PCi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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that was a good game to watch but that LYLO was unacceptable, why implosion why??In post 1586, Transcend wrote:yeah i just lost a game where i fosed someone that was pseudo clear and i put them in autoloss due to their claim.
any W is a W!i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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In post 1524, Thor665 wrote:How is Transcend active lurking or manipulating?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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IDK MAN
LET'S WAIT FOR THE LUNA REPLACEMENT
why does rosske pick thor over io btw, because Thor is busy with Tenshii?? hmm
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I am still hard-neutral on Rosske/Tenshii. Rosske responding doesn't really read scum to me, but I hated his vote on KTS. Still, I feel like if he were scum he'd A: give up, or B: push harder to be on the townbloc because he's in an auto-lose situation....
Tenshii has bad associatives, Rosske is oppurtunistic, but only one (or even neither!!) can be scum.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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rosske did not tho?? soIn post 1710, Transcend wrote:
my answer is yes.In post 1709, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:would scum!rosske push for PC after KTS
case disproven unless i forgot this game entirely lmaoi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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In post 1714, Rosske wrote:I didn't push PC at all, and I only voted him long after he was already hammered. It was irrelevant.
i thought this was from yesterday but it was from the day before.In post 1149, Rosske wrote:LEMMING LEMMING LEMMING
VOTE: PhantomColbalt
Oops did I lynch?
I think not yet.
L-1 maybe?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I personally would expect scum!Transcend to make less out-there pushes (Luna's slot being the big example) and not-as-blatantly defend Krankies, but I might be mistaken... He's been about as much of a townread as you are during D1.In post 1718, Tenshii wrote:Also, is the only reason Transcend is being townread because of the reaction to the KTS post? Because in that spot, mafia KNOWS for a fact that KTS is town, so mafia should be able to fake a reaction relatively well.
also i'm starting to think distant better describes my involvement in this game... ha... seriously though after D1 i can't make heads or tails of what's going on here, almost every lynch looks as viable as the other and Ihatebeing neutral despite the fact i feel like i put myself in that position a lot
i should read some scumgames of transcend's if i have the time ever. also would like to hear wingback's thoughts on the gamei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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Both were similarly townread, but Thor has experience behind him so he's a more threatening player.
I actually think Io was a better NK — Scum!Tenshii doesn't want the attention from killing the person who scumreads him most, and everyone else would probablt want Thor to push for a Tenshii ML and then NK Thor afterwards.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I'm still deciding between Rosske and Tenshii, but the place where I'm posting more frequently interests me more sadly :C
I like your most recent post and I feel like we're on the same page. I pretty much am townreading everyone but Rosske, but Thor's arguments against Tenshii are making me iffy about jumping back to Rosske's wagon.
I really have nothing else to add, sorry.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i'm doing a full game reread too and everytime i see this post i just cringeIn post 76, karnos wrote:The above logic depends on Thor being town as well. Scum Thor could be sheeping a supposed town, in which case that would make it much less likely I am scum.
Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.
i haven't found anything too great but this is killing mei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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Thanks for the meta, I'll give them a quick read.
I still think I'd rather meta Transcend too, his pushes have all been really strange (the two on our slots to be specific) and I've been using that as reasons to townread him but... maybe he's the kind of player who makes bizarre pushes as scum to look town? I don't know.
The Tenshii/Thor LYLO is my biggest fear this game and one of the reasons I considered lynching one of them, but I don't want to make a policy lynch when we have several brains to find scum.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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transcend and i have been on rosske since D2
i just kept getting convinced to get off of him, I'm starting to think my original viewpoint on everything was correcti no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I don't think you can meta a player with only 140 posts on this site in all honesty.In post 1822, Thor665 wrote:Two people have straight up claimed that this game does not match meta analysis of his scum v. town play.
You don't wanna weigh in on that and would rather vote the slot?
From his 24 posts in his one completed scum game, it's kind of an exception... The stuff I bolded all seems to come from someone who replaced late into a game, which is exactly what Rosske did in Newbie 1720. Catch-up posts are easily faked (I was duped by a very convincing one in my newbie...), and Rosske's longer posts look like that's what he's doing.In post 1700, Thor665 wrote:I don't get that at all - the only scummy thing I can really see there is maybe him not voting Karnos over it.
Looking at his completed scum game heexplained himself a lot more, andstuck to a single position, anddidn't vote very quickly.
Looking at other postings in games that may or may not exist I don't see that as a similar vibe from games he may or may not have had a scum role in.
It's not a large sample size, but that paired with a read based on a presumption isn't selling me on the case.
I obviously cannot discuss what he may or may not have been in... but I will say that I disagree but I may be missing nuances because of my lack of experience. Can't elaborate further.
So? I'm just going to read his alignment like I have been for everyone else (besides Phantom), and I think he's the scummiest slot alive. Obviously my reads aren't going to be perfect, but my short list is pretty much down to {Rosske, Tenshii}.
I'll respond to Wingback's question now.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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hey actually i was writing up a post explaining how i constantly wanted to vote rosske throughout the game but kept persuading myself to vote for a townie instead (KTS, Phantom)... but er
tenshii can you explain this vote
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oh nvm, 1019 exists but it's an awful explanation sorry tenshii </3i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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tbf rosske has misrepped events in the game twice that i'm not sure what to think of it
It's usually a town thing to do that, right? But at the same time, he completely misrepresented Transcend to justify his push on him.
I'm really sorry I'm being kind of lazy this game, the other game I'm in is pretty much taking up all of my mental energy (in a positive way)! Not really sure if I'm crazy enough about what's going on here to really delve into it hard afterwards but I'm not planning on stretching myself out anymore.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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nah i feel you it's just
i've never felt so clueless about a mafia game... in face-to-face games i'm usually the one pulling the game's weight as either alignment, and even in my newbie where i never once voted scum i thought i knew what i was doing. here i was so sure about krankles, but now that he's gone it just feels like there isn't even scum hiding among us.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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transcend mafia game; mini 1796
if anyone is paranoid of transcend btw, that's there ^
it's probably tenshii or rosske but that's there ^i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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In post 1844, Transcend wrote:dun dun dun
so far scum!transcend's reads feel pretty safe/normal but i'm still early in the game
no crazy moon logic therei no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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scum!Transcend is very aggressive about defending his townreads, notably. i'm at page 17 atm, still early game but i'm trucking through.
look at this post from that game, it's like he knew shotty was town all along... idk maybe it's because i know who scum are but still, i haven't seen him put this much argumentative fire into defending tenshii. most of his focus is on pushing Rosske.
the point is though i don't really think tenshii is shotty here.... that might change as i read but still
also the reason i'm doing this is to mostly reaffirm that the townbloc isn't shit... because i don't see the issue of powertownlynching Rosske/Tenshii/someone else if we can be sure that {Thor, Wingback, Giga, and one of transcend/mhsmith} are entirely town... the original townbloc had transcend in it but mhsmith has brought more to the game at least (luv u transcend :C </3) so i don't know. i have to see how mhsmith plays as scum lateri no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I'm not very good at meta-ing people by reading their games if that's not clear. There isn't that much of a translation from face-to-face mafia to forum mafia, the closest thing there is to it is personally knowing the other players, which you can't do by reading about them.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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Well, yeah, you've said that, but the thing is I'm noticing a difference between how you're defending Tenshii vs. Shotty. You've pretty much just said that Tenshii is a tonal townread and you've focused more on pushing Rosske. You seemed almost annoyed that Shotty was being scumread and there was a lot more fire to how you were defending him than Tenshii.
Everyone can be meta'd imo but meta'ing sucks anyway
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well that just makes it weirder
you're defending a nullread?? why... if someone is null to you then there's not much of a reason to defend them that hard... just from that post i had assumed he was a townread of yours, it really seemed like youknewhe was town...
i've shifted gears to that newbie, i've only skimmed through sonia's ISO and bits of the Gyrlander vs Performer/Replacement wagons.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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Not really, like I said I think that newbie game was a special circumstance. Making longer posts, waiting to vote, and not really changing stances that quickly seem like things one would do if they replaced into a game and are catching up. Rosske has been here from the beginning, there's not much of a need for that. I would probably want a completed scum game from start to finish to discussIn post 1855, Thor665 wrote:I disagree - I would perhaps agree with, you can't meta them with the same accuracy of someone with a larger pile of evidence to draw from.
But he does have two completed games now (I guess, when I did it I drew from a non-complete albeit Rosske's part was complete).
One looks like this game.
One does not look anything like this game.
Isn't that telling?
When I have a clearer head I might try to have a better stance on this, but for now I'm still OK with lynching Tenshii but I'm not confident about it. Besides Karnos, I'm feeling much better about my townreads this game than I do my scumreads.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I've been thinking, Transcend is probably the one who gains the least from killing Io over Thor.
Killing Io while scum isn't Thor or Tenshii implies that Tenshii is being set up for a mislynch. But Transcend has been doing everything to keep Tenshii alive and is townreading him. I think that scum!Transcend would be trying to buddy Tenshii and lower his risk of dying by killing Thor.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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There isn't really much of a meta to go by. I refuse to use ongoing games for meta by principle, I should add.
Transcend scum seems highly unlikely to me, but at this point you could probably write a wallcase about how i'm scum and i might believe it :/
i hate being sheepy but no compter access means no casesi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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