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Hi all.
I've read the past few pages, going to read all of D2 now/after class.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 727, farside22 wrote:In post 725, pisskop wrote:Hi all.
I've read the past few pages, going to read all of D2 now/after class.
You should start from day 1.
Hi!
I can see why I should. Its a lot of 'he said she said'. I'm going to skim about from the start, taking the numbers of posts that look notable.
So far, I gather you guys know and like each other, and that a couple assumptions were made based on forum joindates.
Here are my collected thoughts, scribbled in the order they came. My eyes glazed over ~page 15, but I read most of D2 prior to starting D1.
Note my vote will currently stay on Ari.
Farside
Farside's 161 mirror's my exact reads up until that point. Her later posts are also gold in retrospect, Which conflicts, because I read her as scummy based on D2 alone . . . She seems town.
Lyserg
I'm not sure if I dislike Lyserg for his'bubbling'expressive nature or a mild scumread I get from him. Scumreading Lyserg based on early D2 and rvs. On my other forum I would townread 229 and 248, as well as post 286.
Metal
Lal's read on Metal in 163. I found 133 to be trash. Along with her vote on Orc after calling out his 'vaguishness' (Which I don't see at all. He's brief and atp I wanted more from him, but he had a very refined approach I approve of) an vote on Metal makes me read Metal in a bad way, considering his content up to then was infinitely approaching zero.
294 is bad, for more reasons than not wanting to finger your irl friend.
West
I scumread West early D2, but then sympathized with him later on wrt Acrynon.
Unsure of him in early D1. 168 was positive. 190 makes West unlikely to be wolfy.
Ari
Weak scum read on him early game. Not for the RVS stuff, but after that. His best response seems to belurkingwaiting. He's not wolfie, but I like him for mafia.
191 was all too happy to get the focus off himself; a newbtown response to pressure and he isn't new to mafia by the accounts I've read.
196 is bad upon reflection of Ginko's 193. And 199 is Ari trying to seperat Orc and Acryon pretty hard.
My first response to 252 is to reel back and double take. what is this?
Spoiler: 252
Ari needs to die, as far as I'm concerned. Just because Lal tried to lynch him means nothing.
Ginko
Slight scumminess makes me distrust them, but seems genuinely discouraged in their posts. Null as off page 9.
193 is nice. He doesn't envision the distrust 2 wolves 1 mafia would have of one another, or vice versa.
Orc
Some positives, albeit those are from his personality. Considering him potentially associated with Ari.
Vyse
Spoiler: Dis you really spend hours on this game?
I don't think so, because I've put in less than two thus far.
Early posting was slightly townish. not to much really for or against him, but maybe that's a sign in in of itself.
Prawn
Content lacking in general in D1. Found his playstyle consistent with my expectations of a town-him around the time of his vote on this slot in 351 but I don't like the lack of content with which to compare him to in the future. Null town.
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Thoughts on how to hunt scumwolfs.
We shouldn't ignore the wolf per se, we need to stop the attrition he'll bring. But we need to focus on scum. There are 3 of them, and should be easier to find.
I think it will be important to note that scum will be hunting wolf and the wolf scum. So the answer is in their defense, and reactions to critics.
AFA Lal. Post 331 looks like desperation, and even though I don't have a use for it atm I want it noted for my own references.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Edit: Lyserg is more town than scum, I didn't like his postings up until page 7 or 8.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 736, West9 wrote:In post 734, pisskop wrote:Orc
Some positives, albeit those are from his personality. Considering him potentially associated with Ari.
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wrt the association.
Spoiler: Post 191 from Ari
I'll be willing to explore his lynch should Ari flip scum.
wrt me liking his posting style is a matter of preference. He has a neat style of play
Very to the point yet snarky and passive-assertive. Some may see it as scummy or dodgy or odd, but I find it to be practiced and the result of minimizing meta while keeping a certain attitude.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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dah. he's dead. I said my eyes glazed.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 740, Cheetory6 wrote:After sifting through Acryon ISO I'm basically where I'm okay with his lynch. His read on West seemed to randomly fluctuate for no reason in an inconsistent way that I found kind of weird and my gut keeps pinging at small things in his posts.
Probably just going to ignore part in pisskop's last post about orci because seems very probable to be a faketownslip and I don't want to think about that bullshit. q.q
It hurts me to think that you would flush away 2 hours of my timeandignore my posts selectively ;-;
pisskop wrote:Scumreading Lyserg based on early D2 and rvs.
You also said that you didn't like his early D2 stuff? Can you elaborate on that and why you didn't mention that again/what made you change your mind based on D1 stuff?pisskop wrote:Edit: Lyserg is more town than scum, I didn't like his postings up until page 7 or 8.
I stopped taking D2 noted when it became apparent that he/she said wasn't progressing the game. I'll read the rest of D1 and reread D2, and get back to you.
Tell me words that make sense about this.pisskop wrote:On my other forum I would townread 229 and 248, as well as post 286.
I need to ISO Aristo as well because I saw some things before replacing that made him feel shitty about him and if I have time tonight I'll probably also look at West/Metal and see what's going on there.
The other forum emphasizes detail, rigid adherence to 'optimal play' or 'protocol', andemotional'expressive reading'. RVS is seen as almost as scummy as overposting, and the two most common types of posters are 'introverted engineers' and 'progressive anime lovers'; to give you an idea of the forum population. As a psychology student who leans right, I fit into neither group.
Anywho, direct and almost confrontational-but-not-impolite posts are a good sign that somebody is not trying to push an agenda.
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. 'Yo, lemme see your scumreads, and also compare the effects of their lynch to xx player's lynch.' is an example of a hunting player. It asks a clear question that implies a coherent and traceable line of thought.
Again, asking detailed and inquisitive questions in 248 implies that Lyserg wants all the relavent data before moving forward. That he 'quickposted' is a nice sign too, but admittedly that's detailed for a 'quickpost'.
And, in 286 Lyserg gives the exact same read. Contentfull reads and thoughtful posting. And even uses spoilers to reduce individual post length, a sign that the poster isn't trying to become the center of the game.
. I specified 'my other forum' because this forum's meta is different, and I still get a nagging feeling about him. And frankly, I'd trust Farside coupled with my gut; if she says she suspects him, and I get pinged I'll trust her.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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459 makes me wonder about something. Who was calling Orci a 'safe kill?' No.
Orciwouldhave been a safe kill, had it not been for his replacing out. Orci was killed because he was getting new eyes.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 747, West9 wrote:In post 739, pisskop wrote:dah. he's dead. I said my eyes glazed.
What? You didn't know Orc was dead during the entire time you made that readslist? Then why do you refer to him in the past tense here?
In post 734, pisskop wrote:Metal
Lal's read on Metal in 163. I found 133 to be trash. Along with her vote on Orc after calling out his 'vaguishness' (Which I don't see at all. He's brief and atp I wanted more from him, but he had a very refined approach I approve of) an vote on Metal makes me read Metal in a bad way, considering his content up to then was infinitely approaching zero.
I'll ask you to reread and consider your tenses. Those are all examples of either referring to his past actions or considering him in the present tense.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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ATP = At that point. At whatever post number I was on.
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Spoiler: Notes for D2beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Spoiler: caught up
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In post 758, Cheetory6 wrote:
I wouldn't have guessed that was your train of process from what you said. Zzzz.pisskop wrote:Scum had a definite reason for it; to prevent a new pair of eyes from reading. The dismissive nature of it was what I read as scummier.
I'm pretty sure Johnny was analyzing the nightkill from the perspective of what he would do as wolf. Pretty typical to make a kill that can't really give much information on anyone. Not really sure how he was being 'dismissive'?
You didn't answer this btw:
pisskop wrote:Why is this notable? Are you calling Ari scummy for saying this or what?
I was analyzing the NK from what I would do as a wolf, and I made a note. I won't be posting my notes every time I discuss a topic.
It was noteable because it was a point of reference for later. This particular mark indicates that he did not read around the beginning of the D2. Post 450 and 451 are square at the top of page 19, and the one before it details his replacement.
Ari did not read, forgot in the moment, or 'faked' it. I think he didn't read.
It doesn't make him scum; nor is it particularly alignment indicative by itself. But it paints a picture of his playstyle and personality.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 753, farside22 wrote:From my pov things just seem odd.
I'm sticking with metal but I'd vote ari again.
Would you learn more from a Metal lynch?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 763, Aristophanes wrote:Pisskop, please can you delve more into what's wrong with post 591?
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@Pisskop: I know this seems like an unnecessary question, but did you ever play with someone named Nettenette?
I'm entirely confused why you are asking about my opinion/clarification of relatively unimportant datum instead of the collection of scummy things I've pointed out. We've covered why I even noted your response to TTH.
Spoiler: 591
-You are flying under the radar by not posting anything of content. You are reacting to the game, not moving to further it. If Lyserg stopped asking you questions I wonder if you'd even post at all?
AFA me and Orci. I never claimed that it meant nothing. I never tried to explain it away. It was an error, and I can't fault anyone for ignoring it. Why is it so important to harp upon?
I found out how to make lines! They just are so faint as to limit their use.
Where did this come from? What is making me a viable lynch to you?In post 753, farside22 wrote:From my pov things just seem odd.
I'm sticking with metal but I'd vote ari again.
Why weren't you asking questions like this before. You literally had all game to do so, but it only occurred to you just now that Farside thinks you are scummy?
Spoiler: Farside has had you hovering over the round file for some time
How about your reads thus far, Ari; on everyone? I'm glad you are scumreading the people who scumread you but that's not really inspiring confidence in you.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Lyserg
This is actually pretty impressive if its from a phone. This is a phonewall, no small feat of effort.
In post 765, Lyserg-Zeroz wrote:I got sick and only phone is available to post and have to wake up early again, sorry if I missed stuff and whatever.
Gonna default to Metal lynch if Acryon wagon dies, not opposed to Ari lynch.
I think Metal's hoping we go for the more active players for the lynch, and I'm actually thinking he's a better lynch because Ari is still putting out posts, but Metal is dead weight.
@Pisskop: Think you missed my questions. Me perception of Prawns general play started to become somewhat similar to my perception of Lal so i wanted townPrown meta to compare. Stuff about asking permission: That was me turning on other players to help me account for what I think was me omgusing and/or playstyle clashing over acryons read on me, i didnt really see it as fair characterization of my general play but i felt too biased to make the misrep call without outsiders input, there were specific reasons to ask the specific people i mentioned there, ask me again if thats really important to you for some reason; because no one cared to address that im chalking that up to internal biases. The lurking thing had similar playstyle clash related reasons, the development of that point and that it was the one thing he emphazised on some post (one that said something about lurking 101) made me feel worse about it and discard the idea that my feelings towarda that were pure bias. Not sure i get your remarks on 510, that was an answer to something farside asked.
510 seemed to lack a point. Though I see she did, I suppose I was expecting it to lead somewhere based on the length of it.
'Think you missed my questions' - I'm not sure if you meant directed at me from you or what.
Someone go iso Ari and tell me if this anti NKA position existed at any point prior.
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Vyse, what is the point of this kind of speculation? You are, in doing this, setting up your own narrative.In post 542, VysePresident wrote:Like, for what it's worth, I'm not so sure that the NK was directed at Orc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather TTH has a fairly positive sitewide reputation, and I know from playing with her that she a fairly decent player. This would indicate a veteran, not a D2er.
I also don't like Ginko's focus on the NK. It feels like he's setting up a narrative. I kinda want the Seer to look into him tonight.
More in a few hours.
Also, if this means you're assuming the other Warewolf is from this site, why look into Ginko? Seer can only see WW vs Non-WW. This makes no sense to me.
Who from this site do you think would be Lal's buddy and why?
This is his only mention of it, post 591.
As mentioned above, I think Metal is a better lynch today, because he isn't putting out any content. His flip will also influence my reads.
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I did not imply that Metal is advocating the lynch of more active players. Rather, I feel that Metal is content to put in just enough effort to avoid his own lynch. It is true that other players could be called lurkers or had periods of inactivity, but Metal specifically reads as lurker scum to me, and feels as if he's showing up to avoid his lynch, not provide content or raise a point.
. AFA me preferring his lynch over Ari. It is some policy. It's more than Lynch the Lurker; however. If it comes down to it, I would rather lynch somebody who is scummy and doesn't post often and doesn't provide much original material. A common tactic, especially on MS, is to post just often enough to not get prodded or lynched. Especially in known setups (as opposed to unknown or non-standard setups with roles like war-vets, PGOs, or Aliens) Lurking is poor.
Ari is an acceptable lynch, but I want to lynch Metal to confirm his role. If he flips scum we can examine his interactions, iron you out, and I can reexamine Cheetory.
I don't envison a wolfy flip from him, but that's be sweet too, to eliminate the NK faction. Ari is even less likely to be the werewolf, and his wagons seemed much more wifomy; sorting out the more concrete flip first is my preference. I want to learn as much from the slightly more difficult lynch.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Ummm. Hi, good moring, why are we running the clock down?
Literally any lynch is better than no lynch. With 3 scumz it only takes 2 mislynches here. Metal is surefire scum here.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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AFA a town Metal.
In the unlikely event he is town, That would make me examine his antagonizers. Im beginning to doubt you and Metal share a team, but you havent buddied him in any conspicuous manner, so I suppose that means little right now.
Im concerned Prawn is trying to kill my slot, but I think he may just be following his own investigation through.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Ive given the game some thought wrt the lone werewolf
That role is an SK now.
Theyll need to win through the long game. Once mafia reach parity they can lynch whoever they want, just about. And werewolfy is the only target left for them then. Ergo, werewolf should kill scum tonight. It helps him. And helps town.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I have a list on my computer. On phone @ gym right nowbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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thakyakindly, competent werewolf. A good kill for us and an excellent for you.
. Farside, why is this game "odd'?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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vote: Ari
Are not too many ways to interpret Young's posts.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Actually, it did occur to me that he was trying to specifically trying to lump to together Ari/Metal.
Assuming there was some kind of bus it would be either Ari or Metal. Or acryon, but Look at Metal's response come deadline. 'Sorry' Pisskop. That's a decent scumtell.
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vote: Metalbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Why were you Sorry to vote me? Did you think you were hammering?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Does scum Ari go to any great lengths to try to plea innocence as scums?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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He [Young slot] was lumping one scum into his scum teams/reads. Its ultimately a winning move for the scum.
. It let's the surviving scum get townred for suspecting the lynched one.
Considering the effort put into the game by both Metal-slot and Young-slot, all they had to do was declare their suspicion of the other and sheep the town. They lurk as much as possible and get to both stay under the radar while letting the more active players bicker and get to get some 'towncred' for having suspected their buddies.
For metal, his reads have been fairly superficial and his opinion of Gliffie was such that gliffie wasn't even mentioned until YYR was in, and it took him waffling until 592, and after that quite sparingly.
I'm thinking Metal is scums still, and would like to discuss werewolfies with the town. If we could decide on a werewolf canidate and lynch it, we could eliminate that whole thing. Still scummy, just not associated with other characters.
I agree that Vyse is a good place to start, especially considering YYR's demise.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Hunh. Ok, Farisde, and we can lynch Metal if Ari flips town?
Do any of you players know if Ari is always this explanatory?
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Farside is saying that YYR had a decision to make. As scum, he needed to place his vote. He scumread you, so it would be natural to vote you. Instead, he jumped onto Lal without adequate reason, despite you having more votes. Why would he go after the larger wagon? Likely because you were on his team, so killing you hurt himself.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Why wouldn'the go after the larger wagon? Likely because you were on his team, so killing you hurt himself.
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In post 845, Lyserg-Zeroz wrote:@Pisskop: Vyse is a decent wolf candidate; recall you making some small comment about it, but what are your (expanded) thoughts for Metal as possible wolf? (also, this is dumb, but when you say "He [Young slot]" you mean just Young or all three players that occupied the slot P= ?).
When I say [player]slot, I am refering to all its occupants as one entity, although I may mean one in particular, they are all the same role.
. Metal is not my top Werewolf choice.
My mind keeps inching over Farside as unlikely wolfy, because. Her reads are usually concise, and this game is no exception, but she seems to have too many scumreads. I implied that I find Cheetory suspicious and now he's 'invisible' to her. I think Farside is more than competent enough to avoid obvious scum-scum interactions, but Lal is not. Lal did not have any real connection with Farside, however, and Farside ate Lal. I don't see scumFarside being so quick to kill her partner for the Creds, especially in a multi-faction game where they started outnumbered.
.So I doubt it; its likely my paranoia.
Metal-Wolf is also somewhat unlikely. I'm not sure if you misinterpreted my vote on metal. I'd suspect Vyse and Cheetory before Metal as werewolf. Lemme look over Metal and see what I can dreg.
Spoiler: Lal-posts
And on Metal's side
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Metal has way too much Lal-references. I can't see it. I still see Metal as scummy, but not as the wolfy, as I've stated in 775.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 856, farside22 wrote:My wolf reads are pisskop or maybe west at this point.
hmm. How malleable you can be. Do you have some evidence?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I find it interesting Ari hasn't tried claiming yet.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Duh. nvm. There's not a whole lot to claim.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I'm not sure if that's Freddy Mercury.
Who is that?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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What makes Farside Mafia? Do you have posts for that?
Also, Westwolf. I don't see Westwolf too well.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Can you look over Lal and give me you top two candidate for wolf from her? I know we can flush out scum based on associations, but the wolf is competent and following a pattern . . .beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Both, if you don't mind.
I'm looking over her myself. If we could flush the wolf out now we could POE the Scums.
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Fuck all that noise.
I think Ginko is the Wolfie. He coaches Lal and consistently uses her wagon as a basis for his scumhunting. I'm close to shutting down for the night, but Look over his ISO and focus specifically on the searchword "lal".
vote: Cheetory
Compare his 180 from post 407 to 414 specifically. Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
Spoiler: 407
Spoiler: 409
Spoiler: 414
Can I ask the rest of you to look? Even the scumies benefit from looking for the wolf, because, secret, I think the werewolf is specifically looking for the Seer via lurkers. that include a couple of likely scums.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Fuck all that noise.
I think Ginko is the Wolfie. He coaches Lal and consistently uses her wagon as a basis for his scumhunting. I'm close to shutting down for the night, but Look over his ISO and focus specifically on the searchword "lal".
vote: Cheetory
Compare his 180 from post 407 to 414 specifically. Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
Spoiler: 407
Spoiler: 409
Spoiler: 414
Can I ask the rest of you to look? Even the scumies benefit from looking for the wolf, because, secret, I think the werewolf is specifically looking for the Seer via lurkers. that include a couple of likely scums.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Lyserg. Im so confident in it Id make a sigbet. Cheetor is wolfe. Jordon was lurking, orci was lurking. Vyse is maybemafia. I liked him for wolfie but dont think he is scum.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I had a moment. I had one in Italian Ice too.
It just clicked.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Lyserg, I'm completing my compilation of their ISOs now.
In post 292, Ginko wrote:@Metal,
Ginko wrote:
What's your general perception of Ari's towngame?
If you ignore me again I will cut you.
I guess this didn't further your wincon so you let it go, hunh?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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@ Lyserg
Coaching is the wrong word. He has guided her with questions and soft questions to others.
Let me run down them into one ISO of Ginko, Lal, and Cheetor
Spoiler: Rundown
Ya no, I'm done here. If you don't lynch thatscumwolf I swear.
After he is gone we won't have any use for the night phase. We only need to construct a list of possible associations and lynch from that list.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Farside, grab your rope and silver.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Lol I finally found my flail pic.
Its so perfect. The more damage it takes, the more it flails.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 898, Cheetory6 wrote:So asking her to get an avatar [which I also asked someone else to do this game] and asking her a single question is coaching.
Yeah.
Fucking stretch a mile further.
Look! He's responding to points I didn't even make. dawwww.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 904, Cheetory6 wrote:How am I not responding to a point you've made?
You are reponding to points I did not make, not 'not responding to my points'.
Let me go get my quote, which said nothing about Lal needing an avatar.
In post 894, pisskop wrote:
269 is the brgining of the soft defending Lal, and 292 is what I meant by 'coaching'. He's guiding her with questions while soft-defending her.
In post 292, Ginko wrote:
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@Lyserg, I'm kind of confused as to how you're arriving at a comfortable place with your vote on Lalendra when it seems to me like you're pretty unsure of your individual points about her in #286. Is it the culmination of a bunch of small things that's just making you feel like she's probably scum?
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Need to see a concise Lalendra case because my head got really fuzzy trying to parse most of what was going on there besides like one of farside's points on her somewhat resonating with me. Might summarize all the votes when I have some more time today and then see what I think about it.
-Cheetory6
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In post 770, pisskop wrote:I'm entirely confused why you are asking about my opinion/clarification of relatively unimportant datum instead of the collection of scummy things I've pointed out.
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Whatever, You're caught. Even if you aren;t lynched today the seer is going to look into you tonight.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Ari's trying to be transparent. It started bothering me back in D2. Post 771. And it continued into today. And frankly I'm doubting your or Ari is scum, but we can come to that tomorrow. I don't think Ari has any influence left in the game, but his continued effort to provide what information he can is exactly what I would have done back when I first joined this site.
I still scumread Metal, but you must remember that since this is a 2scumteam game and he is a lurker he has every incentive to push for the werewolf lynch too. Frankly, I'm not concerned with your opinion of my arguing in this game, since it is neither representative of my play nor do you seem to possess the directness to push me upon it. I caught the wolf, I'm playing to my wincon, and you have admitted in your latest post Cheetor is definitely playing outside his comfort zone.
@Cheetor
Of course, nothing personal is meant by anything in this game. Any insults that have actually slighted you are applied within the context of this game only.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 914, Aristophanes wrote:I would still feel more comfortable with a lynch on Metal, Pisskop, or myself today.
Why, exactly?
Its one thing to be honest or whathaveyou; its quite another to potentially suicide yourself and play against your wincon. I your own words: what does lynching one of use do?
In post 915, West9 wrote:
Pisskop, what led you to change focus so quickly on this? That, plus the level of snark, is disorientating.
Awesome vote. The snark is a bit thick, admittedly. I'm not going to dance in small circles when I'm so sure I'd actually bet money on it.
I saw something and decided to look into it. That turned up something I almost/had missed and then I started comparing people to Lal. Since I was also suspicious of Cheetory, I compared him to Lal together instead of alone. I searched for searchword 'lal' to identify her posts/references.
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892 is addressing you and then putting an unrelated and unresolved quote up.
Ginko said that, and then failed to follow up on this threat. Indicating that it wasn't important. Its scummy; but unrelated to the other data presented on him.
In these posts:
I put in everything needed to put down the wolf.
Spoiler: Posts until 405
Compare his 180 from post 407 to 414 specifically. Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
Spoiler: 407
Spoiler: 409
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You aren't as involved in many of the discussions as others. You have more posts than Prawn, but are less town.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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There is no slot that could foreseeably be my buddy; because I am neither scum nor wolf.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 922, prawneater wrote:Any thoughts on this?
As much as I appreciate you hunting for the associated scum, I'd appreciate your opinion of who can be the wolf.
. We'd have much longer to lynch to our heart's contents once we get them, and if the seer dies we'd be searching blind.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 929, Cheetory6 wrote:
Schoolstuff/fell asleep earlier than I thought I would. ZzzzzMetal wrote:Cheet and Far why didn't you guys vote for Pisskop?
Not sure why you're asking this question given that you weren't here either.
I'm not sure how somebody who can be as borderline rude as you with your aggression can pose as offended. I don't believe you were upset my push, rather you needed an excuse to back out and cool your head. I'm positive this is within your abilities.
. But, given that Metaldidvote for me, this suggests you didn't read/retain that. AtE, in my opinion.
I don't really understand how it's unusual for me to be focused on my scumreads, especially on D1. Do you disagree that I generally tend to focus in on one or two players on day one?West wrote:It's true that Gink used the Ari wagon for his scumread on Acryon and me, until he starts using the Lal wagon to go for Acryon and refuses to use the Ari wagon to analyze LalBy the time Lal came into the game, I was already somewhat focused on other players and felt disinterested in a lot of what she was saying and admittedly I skimmed for a while. Is that scummy?Can understand why someone would think so, but I've done it in a lot of other games before and I have less time for mafia than I usually do.
YES, it is scummy. You didn't 'ignore' or skim her,you used her wagon to push/scumread players. The volume of material put into deflecting from her wagon is astounding. You responded to her, went out of your way keep the focus on her wagoners and off her.
You picked up 'scumreads from the Ari wagon. You didn't analyse the Ari wagon, not in any fashion like Lal's. As a three party game, scumteams are scumhunting.
Again, I don't see how her buddying my argument makes me likely to be her scummate.pisskop wrote:164 is Lal jumping onto the work of Ginko in 81 - 99, where he wifomed Orci into a scumread. True story, go look.
By itself it proves nothing, and you as well as any competent player in the game knows that. Taken with the rest of the evidence and its evidence that the newish Lal taking shelter under her scumbuddy.
Is it really soft defending though? Like, you're acting like I was being subtle. I was not. I didn't want a Lalendra lynch vs Acryon/West lynch D1. I was pushing for who I thought was the best option for hitting scum while at the same time trying to engage people to either get them to move or get them to convince me that Lalendra was scum. Again, in 269, we defended Ari as well. Where's the acknowledgment that this isn't something that we were doing with just one person and one wagon? How is it not just consistent?pisskop wrote:269 is the brgining of the soft defending Lal, and 292 is what I meant by 'coaching'. He's guiding her with questions while soft-defending her.
Spoiler: Youi just cannot keep one straight story wrt 292, can you?
You're caught.
What're you saying here? What does this mean?pisskop wrote:as well as more sweet nothings into Lal's ear. He isn't like that with any other player.
You are offering her what shelter you could.
There's a difference between actively reading every engagement in a discussion and reading the tone of the engagement. Acryon's tone of engagement with Lal was incredibly different than it was with Aristophanes. I hadn't been actively reading and following all of the arguments for Lalendra being scum, partially because it was dense and also partially because from a distance I thought it was probably going to be a derpwagon and I like hunting on the side in general.pisskop wrote:What? What has he been doing the last hundred posts but getting more and more invested into Lal's wagon?
I'm not really super familiar with how chainsaw argument works, but if I were scummates with Lalendra and my goal was to chainsaw, why would I be so blatant about how I'm relating it all back to Lalendra interactions? I honestly know I can't do much to defend against this point, but like I just feel like scum-me wouldn't do this. :/pisskop wrote:324 chainsaw into Acryon in defense of Lal. Again, nothing overt, but wholly cows look at him go!
You used Acryon's interactions with Lal to attack him. The very definition of a chainsaw. I'm saying you did it more subtly than some on this site, but if you feel you did it blatently than that should make the chainsaw all the more apparent.
Already responded to this.pisskop wrote:I'm not even sure what the motivation of this post is. Except to use it to push later. I put some spaces in between each player so its not a clusterbomb to read.
If that's the narrative you inherently look for, you're going to see it. If you look at my play as "I really want a scumlynch and Lal isn't anywhere near my strongest scumread" then you're not going to see it. Don't really know what more to say here.pisskop wrote:Cheetory wasn 't bussing her, but taking the middle ground right up until critical mass.
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That OMGUS was bad on my part.
I think I let the timing of the push on me relative to the peak of the Aristo wagon bug me.
Valentines Day is busy for me.
My thoughts in this game are messy right now.
Gonna go not think about this game for a while.
We should still lynch it, frankly. I think he's a good actor. Mostly AtE, as far as I'm concerned. Lynch whomever you all please, but t the end of the day he is still going to kill at least one more of us.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I may note be able to respond regularly or in-depth within the next day or two, what with the holiday and the snowstorm tonight.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Sure.
We should be lynching from a collectivized wolf list, to assist the seer.
Cheetory and ABR/Vyse. then Metal
We all have incentive to rid ourselves ofcheetorthe wolf scum, to eliminate the NKer.
Well, some of us do, scumteam is always wifoming it up.
This isnt a 2faction game, this isnt Fire/Ice: lets stop treating it as such and kill from a collected list. We can reevaluate our positions each day
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So. About that collected wolf list . . .
1) Cheet
2) ABR
Let's lynch from a list of likely wolves, so that we can systematically lynch associated couples for the mafia team.
ABR is a likely wolf, and would be my second choice to lynching you.
Metal is my third choice.
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Id ask for proof or evidence, but frankly this is as much as Ive ever seen you post im one sitting
I tried to look at a few of your completed games, but not happening via phone. Those that Dont know what ABR plays like please take a walk into his postings. As it sits Ill lynch him based on the past 5 posts alone.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I dont think Ari is a wolf or Cheetor is mafia.
Id like to catch the wolf. That way we have a conftown seer and can systematicly lynch to victory wuthout the NK.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.-
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I will take Metal of the three. All daybeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.-
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