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Either you're stupid like Majiffy says, or you're scum. Choose which.
I have explained why what you did was a misrep. You choose not to understand and keep saying bullshit.
I even give you the doubt that it could be unintentional and yet you still refuse to accept that you were wrong.
At this point I'm really starting to believe you're stupid, unable to read and comprehend, or both.
Or maybe just scum.-
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In post 870, Jalyn wrote:Wisdom - it's not misrepping if he didn't feel that that WAS the essence of his questions and you didn't answer them.
Acceptable, but it's another thing to accuse me of lying and arguing that's a scumtell.-
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Because anyone who has played with slimer wouldn't take that quote seriously.
On another note;
mcqueen wrote:
@rach - hey baby I heard u getting sexy in ur scum qt ... can I cum too??
Rach does not have access to a scum qt, as it's not night yet and she just replaced in. I don't think scum would say something like that since they'd know it doesn't make sense, so after this you can be town.
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In post 938, CF Riot wrote:Why now?
You're hardly find me not voting someone for a long time. I decided mcqueen is town so I picked my next suspect. Out of all the others, I have slight suspicions on RachMarie (mainly due to predecessor, but not only), and I agree with some of the points against Mitillos, so I brought up that I might consider voting one of them. But D_O is a better vote for now.-
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In post 943, RachMarie wrote:
Have you played on other sites besides this one Wisdom or are you an Alt?
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In post 1013, RachMarie wrote: Meanwhile I got reads out there just in case either I get lynched or NKed, so ya all have some idea where to look for the scum.
I don't get why you feel the need to make such obvious statements.-
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In post 1021, zabriel wrote:
@Wisdom - wasn't a good part of the case on McQueen that he was faking VI? Why did him implying daytalk make him seem less scummy with that in mind.
I can't see scum saying that, dunno. Maybe I'll change my mind about him later, I am not 100% confident he's town. But not the lynch I'll push for now.-
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In post 961, RachMarie wrote:
To answer your question Wisdom yes there is more besides the everyone is in the middle somewhere with no solid reads so I can call anyone I want scum, that I have on DO
1. Not only has he not updated his reads since page 8, he has moved around going for the wagon that seems most likely to go through.
2. ? 3. ?
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Jalyn wrote:
post 182 The infamous "lynching town" comment, which is AWFUL. Also? Defends mollie.
Why is it awful? I had a townread on tiger and I felt scum were taking advantage of the situation to excuse a town lynch and call it PL because "tiger was rude" which I completely disagreed with. Also why do you call it "infamous"? Nobody has referred to it before or called it scummy.
post 229You do realize that there is a difference between, "ok, that read as town to me" and "Why would you think that's scummy, they are always like that." Especially when the first is not in response to someone else calling it scummy, but giving a read. No one has commented on your analysis that slimer looks town. You've made a call and let the town know what you think. That's fine. If HD had started telling everyone that their reads on D_O were off - then you'd have a comparison. (And if tis happened in one of the posts that I admittedly skimmed through because you all were sying the same thing post after post, please point it out to me.)
HD had called D_O town/ defended D_O/ call it whatever you want because of meta. But at the same time found my " meta defense" of tiger/slimer/mollie to be scummy, which seemed hypocritical.
post 245Laying the groundwork for a backpedal.
No. The way HD insisted made me believe he might be actually town tunneling on me, which happens to me a lot. I expressed this thought.
post 262 The second such and such is a townie post. (And after saying numerous times that he didn't even have a town read on mollie.
And indeed I didn't, but as I have already said the way HD pushed it made me believe he's probably scum pushing two fake scumreads, and that's what I expressed.
post 286 I hate meta arguments. This is a large part of why - I'm not going to go skimming back through other games of people I'm playing with. If nothing else, I don't have that kind of time.
If you rely on a single game, you'll find more scummy-looking things than you would if you knew that they are normal for that person, and it's way more likely you'll be misled and accuse the wrong people.
post 295Why? Is mollie incapable of defending herself? Because it doesn't particularly seem like that is the case.
mollie is perfectly capable of defending herself, but I see no reason to let what I consider bullshit arguments to float around. If I have something to post, I'll post it. I am not gonna wait for mollie to come and post.
post 373 Why would HD trying to push your lynch and mollie's make mollie town, even if he is scum? Scum bus each other. Even better, if HDscum has linked you and mollie in people's minds and you come up town... mollie looks pretty good, doesn't she? Also, you were the one that linked mollie and you together, not HD.
It doesn't. That's what I felt at that moment, that HD-scum was pushing two townies. That's what I expressed. Sure he wouldn't be able to keep linking us in the long term, but that's irrelevant.
post 383 (Not a paraphrase) "It's not even like I defended anyone, I just shot down the accusations on mollie and slimer because they were bullshit - I am not sure either of them is town though."
I'm not defending them, all I did was defend them! Also, it's totally crap to claim that I'm doing things that I don't believe in, I'm just defending people that I don't know are innocent.
Only that's no defending. As I have said many times, if I read bullshit, I'll respond to it. That doesn't equal townreads on the ones the bullshit were about.
post 460 Defending does not have anything to do with the quality of the arguments that are made against a person. Defending is simply speaking up in their defense. Again, this is bad for two reasons:
A) It makes it so that the person that is being called scum does not have to answer the arguments themselves. If the argument was completely invalid, why not let mollie respond to it?
B) It makes a town player more likely to trust you, unless they are being careful. This is why scum like to do it. (And it's the answer to the above question, because it makes mollie more likely to trust you.)
I agree, defending is bad. What I did was not defending.
The rest of your accusations are "defending, defending, defending", and once again I don't consider what I did defending. So bad accusations.
I have not read your reads on others, but you're not beginning too good and I didn't like The Puck either. Gonna read now.-
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Yeah. Once again, here it's how it happened:
mollie accusor: mollie does x action, she's scum.
Wisdom: Not necessarily, mollie does x action as town too.
Analysis that happened:
Wisdom implies that she does not do that as scum.
Wisdom implies that she's town.
Wisdom defends her.
Wisdom is scum with her or Wisdom is scum WKing her.
Wisdom is scum, let's vote Wisdom.
Truth:
Wisdom says that mollie does x action as town too, therefore x action is not anything to go by. It does not mean she doesn't do it as scum, and it does not mean she's town or scum.
Wisdom attacked the accusation and called it bad.
Wisdom did not defend mollie.
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In post 1070, Jalyn wrote:
Huh. After a quick check back, I guess I meant infamous in my head because I can't find anyone else mentioning it. And it's awful because, at the very worst, as town you would know that people were setting up a lynch you disagreed with, by definition, if you are town, you don't know when you're lynching town. Basically, it implies knowledge that you wouldn't have unless you're scum - classic slip.
Except I had a townread on tiger and I was seeing the PL as opportunism. Therefore considered tiger town and voiced that thought. And believe me, I wouldn't slip like that if I was scum.
It wasn't the "meta" part that was scummy, it was the defending part.
My point is he defended D_O and called him town because of meta, yet he had issues when I was calling people town or null because of meta. Which meant that it was okay when he did it, but not when I did it.
But then we lose what mollie had to say on the issue. She no longer has to come up with an original reason for something that another player found scummy. Especially when you were clear that you didn't have a town read on her, why not let her answer what the player has to say? Maybe she'll slip. Maybe she'll notice something scummy about the attack that you missed. That's why I keep saying that there are two issues with it.
It's not like I prevented her from answering. She still had to come up with her own reasons - if she just copied mine it would be obvious.
Except, it's not irrelevant. You're claiming that HD was linking you to set up two mislynches, if it's impossible that he could keep up the link to achieve this, his purpose becomes void.
No, I didn't say he was setting up two mislynches. I just said he was pushing both of us so he can lynch one of us on D1. There was no talk about setting up another mislynch or any long-term goal he could have. So yeah, it is irrelavant.
Your argument has ALWAYS been clear. I'm trying to make clear to you why I completely disagree with it. If you were attacking the argument and saying that arguer was scum for the argument (which isn't how it started) then you would have a point. Does that make my viewpoint clear?
I did not argue that the accusor was scum, I argued that the argument was bad. Townies CAN and DO make bad arguments, especially on D1 with nothing to go by. And it was perfectly normal for someone who had not played with mollie (although that wasnt the case for HD) to not know what mollie does and what mollie doesn't, and since I knew that those actions were perfectly normal for mollie, I knew the argument is bad. Did it come from town or scum? I didn't know at the time. So no, I accused nobody and defended nobody. I saw a bad argument and explained that it's bad. That's all there was to it.-
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In post 1072, zabriel wrote:Oh sweet god, that damn game is finally over.
Micro 118 for anybody interested in the history between tiger and myself.
Also, for those that whined I only had one completed scum game - the game zabriel says here is my second completed scumgame.-
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[quote="In post 1074, mcqueen"]Anyone voting non-viable lynches for today, needs to remove their vote. It's getting annoying how people who haven't voted for half the time, come in and join a wagon that isn't happening today.
That is heavily directed at zabriel, along with a few others.
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You're not getting to decide what lynches happen and which don't. It's entirely possible that someone with 0 votes at the moment might get lynched, if the town feels like it.-
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@zabriel
Interesting - RachMarie has done a couple of scummy things yet those you mention are not among them. Fluff mean nothing as they can be posted by town too and the vote on slimer was not a scumtell. It was a typical reaction for someone who doesn't know how slimer acts. Although if she insisted on it, it would be. She didn't.
It makes me believe you don't actually believe she is scum.-
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