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You’re getting pretty nihilist early on. You just laid out your thought process. People have their preformed notions.
I mean, you haven’t engaged with my explanation for why I think Isis isn’t scum. You don’t see me moping."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I’m on phone so this isn’t super easy. But the below post is the last time on page one of Isis’s ISO where she’s vouching for Elements. She started out super strong on Elements-is-town, waivers a little bit, and then got here.
In post 1415, Isis wrote:playing to his town meta?
He's playing townier than his town meta and I'm confused. I mean maybe that's a bad thing because I felt like to some extent his scumwin featured him adhering to orthodox play people want to see. He's convincing me it's organic here, though.
Did she about face at some point on Elements? I certainly don’t remember it, HME. She’s been calling Elements likely town since forever."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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She jumped from Cycle to Norwegian with you and Ali. So she was willing to abandon the lazy scum (Cycle) for another, not lazy scum (Norwegian)?In post 3183, humaneatingmonkey wrote:If all game, you have the information that Isis has played the bus-distance game,"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Is Isis so bad at being mafia she can’t bring herself to kill a town? So bad that she becomes good by escaping lynch scrutiny?In post 3184, humaneatingmonkey wrote:You expect me to believe that town won't normally find themselves on a mislynch wagon in a nightless? You know this is not the whole story."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I mean, my point with engaging you is let’s accept Isis is scum! You’re not getting folks on board today with that.
But if true, who do you think is her scum friend? I’m hoping we can find common ground there."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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My point is that she’s vouching for Elements, which means they are not likely a scum pair."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I don’t understand that response."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I don’t think it’s simplistic? I think it’s the very nature of being scum. You are *hyper aware* of who your scum teammates are. You make a conscious decision about when to mention them or interact with them because it will instantly tie you together.In post 3196, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Also, I don't believe associations are as simplistic as that. Scum can afford to hide behind layers of WIFOM. I prefer to catch scum through POV and motivation.
Claiming a fellow scum is town based on the magic voodoo of meta is a huuuuuge risk. Not impossible but just not likely."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Like. Is there any way I can get you to opine about who might be an Isis-scum teammate other than Elements, or is that your final answer?
I’m not trying to be difficult I was just trying to see if you had thoughts beyond those two as potential scum."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Like. I’m not sure what to do with that information.
You have a baseless fear that I’m going to want to lynch you at some point.
Okay."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Do we know how long Deimos’s exam season lasts?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I mean, I’ll take the town points but this just looks like you’ve already come to a conclusion about alignment and you’re just viewing posts with that alignment assumption taken as a given.In post 3236, humaneatingmonkey wrote:#659 - Elements - E - Voted Clemency for their 'atrocious entrance'. Note that this wasn't the general suspicion about Clemency around this part of the gamestate.
#674, 675 - Elements - S - Flailing
#787 - Norwee on GC - E - I think this is Norwee framing GC, which likely makes GC town. He didn't do this with Deimos, Elements, Firebringer. Just GC.
#792 to 807 - GC vs Norwee - TvS - Not a puppet show. Each posts attempts to expose the other further, and it's happening outside the scum agenda to bus Cycle Men."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Well I guess that really only applies to your flailing characterization.
How is 659 AI?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I'm waiting for Deimos and FB."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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In post 3195, Green Crayons wrote:Looker who is scum team."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Basically POE.
If Looker flips scum, I'm afraid it's FB as his partner."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Also, can we not?In post 3336, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Maybe if he flips scum, y'all can give me a solid and lynch Isis. If she flips town, you can lynch me. I don't expect you to agree, but I'm gonna come back with a case anyway.
You already said this about Ali.
"If so and so flips town, you can lynch me." is (1) bullshit and (2) anti-town if you're actually town."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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HEM and Isis get big town points for this. I don't know why you're being so miserly with your town points.In post 3327, Deimos27 wrote:In post 876, Alisae wrote:Monkey vote Norwee or Cycle Men
GC vote Norwee, you know you want to
Isis vote Norwee
VOTE: Norwee
This wagon is super possible people just need to use their fucking votesSlightly town-AI for HEM. If scum decided against bussing Cycle, it's counterproductive to swap into bussing Norwee.
In post 881, Isis wrote:but he's cute!!!In post 882, Isis wrote:this doesn't even sort monkey because monkey is town no matter what norwee isIsis's positioning is anti- Norwee lynch so she can easily stay off that wagon without catching any flack. Switching onto Norwee contrary to the scumteam's apparent strategy and contrary to her positioning in the game makes limited sense for a bussing meta and not much sense at all for this gamestate. Probably slightly town-AI.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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(Everything's made up and the points don't matter!)"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Elements votes are hella dumb.In post 3055, Green Crayons wrote:VC 1.31: GC drops from Cycyle to Norwegian, but in my defense I went from one scum to another.
Another thing is that Elements picks up two votes: Cycle (scum) and Ali (town). Flash forward to VC 1.34, and Norwegian (scum) joins to make Elements a competing wagon to Cycle. Suggests Elements isn’t scum, as now Cycle is actually playing so presumably Norwegian is trying to save a buddy.
VC 1.36: Elements comically moves his vote off Cycle (scum), to Ali (town), which makes his wagon tied with Cycle. He then shifts back over several hundred posts later in VC 1.37, only to go back to Ali in VC 1.38.
I say comically, because if he’s town this isn’t a good move just in terms of numbers. If he’s scum? Maybe. No sense in trying to push town to kill a friend on D1 if you can avoid it. So he’s testing the waters on other lynches. Or maybe he’s just town whose befuddled!
I’m really not sold on what to make of this, as for as AI goes for Elements.
VC 1.38 through 1.41, though, I think is very interesting. The competing wagons essentially come down to Elements versus Cycle, with two scum votes on Elements. My reaction is that this would make Elements town.
I mean, of course town can wagon two scum on D1, so it’s not impossible that Cycle and Elements are both scum. It happens! But we already did that with Cycle versus Norwegian. Not to mention, we have two scum on the Elements counterwagon, including Norwegian who tried to put momentum there (VC 1.34)."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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yeah I'm pretty okay with this town blockIn post 3371, Isis wrote:Isis-Hem-Elements could win the game except it doesn't because hem just wants to do nothing but lynch townies in exchange for his life"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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You've gone out of your way to not vote him.
First it was laying the burden on Ali's (dead) shoulders of trusting her town read.
And now it's "Looker is a bad town, he's now playing bad, ergo he is town" which is logic that cannot be defeated because any attempt to try to show that he's scum is "no that's just him being bad town""This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Also I don't know how to distinguish "bad town" from "scum" when the play is "not actually help find scum."
He makes most sense to vote."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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yup. you did that after i came up with my theory, so I'm telling you why i thought you'd be a good Looker partner as of the time of my original postIn post 3384, Firebringer wrote:
just did lolIn post 3382, Green Crayons wrote:You've gone out of your way to not vote him."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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basically deimos, looker, and FB are ?s in my mind so the only thing that really matters is order so that we don't go on a two town roll and everyone starts shitting themselves thinking we're going to have to revamp our entire thought processIn post 0, northsidegal wrote:humaneatingmonkey
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Firebringer"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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but if it's really 2/3 out of deimos, look, and FB then actually we'll hit one scum within two lynches so i guess that's not a real worry"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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In post 3389, Looker wrote:Green Crayons voting me was a blow to the stomach that I didn't see coming
I *did* list you as second in my POE after my VCA. This shouldn't be a surprise."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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So not to be completely lazy, I ISO'd Looker.
This comes out of left field. Why are you assuming Norwegian was scum here?In post 690, Looker wrote:
You're not bussing Norway are you?In post 648, Alisae wrote:i must have been seriously stoned when i saw that post then
This is a very weird statement when Looker never voted for Cycle.In post 690, Looker wrote:
Are you purposely not doing anything so that you don't leave any associations to your partners after you're lynched?In post 687, Cycle Men wrote:bit harsh to whoever this clemency guy is
This all seemed to take things up a notch. I didn't think that the original Looker post that HME called abrasive was actually abrasive, but these posts really kick it into high gear. Being needlessly antagonistic is anti-town at best, but I can also see it as a scum tactic (scum wouldn't want attention --> make attention by being combative --> doesn't look like scum).Spoiler: abrasive
Have you ever built on this?In post 1738, Looker wrote:I don't trust you hinging your alignment on me. That was a totally different game with different mechanics.
And these shifting voting blocks are suspicious.
Have you every said *why* FB is scum?In post 3232, Looker wrote:"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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this is some convoluted shitIn post 3397, Isis wrote:I don't actually want to lynch you to sheep your reads per se. I feel like the possibility space where you are scum is the only one I feel worried about losing? So I need to lynch you. Like it has to do with a lot of associative patterns amongst the slots with scum potential. If you're not scum, I feel like I'm going to win anyway, I think GC scum really couldn't afford to amplify Deimos's voice a second ago, and then it's just like 2/2 in Looker Deimos (doesn't clear Deimos the way it clears GC because Deimos is more hailmary positioned)."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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why would Isis-scum switch from Cycle to Norwegian as part of HEM/Isis/Ali push?In post 3408, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Lynch Isis omggggggggggggggggg"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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That doesn't actually answer my question. Your theory is that, on D1, Isis helped momentum turn from Cycle-scum (worthless at the time) to Norwegian-scum (not worthless at the time) because Isis was planning on bussing Norwegian several days down the road? Even on its own terms, the theory (bus late game) doesn't match what happened (bus D1).In post 3414, humaneatingmonkey wrote:the answer is they've planned the bus streets ahead. Isis dragged Norwegian along up until Day 4 (or Day 5?) despite scumreading her.
Also, FB, Ali, and at least one other player said "yeah Norwegian is totes scum" on D1. So there are lots of folks who would fit the definition of dragging Norwegian along."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Because the only information I have, apart from my own alignment, is the alignment of two dead scum. How they interacted with people, and how people interacted (or didn't) with them, is first rate information.In post 3415, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
She is also self-proclaimed Queen of bus so I don't know why you would read into her associations, and notIn post 3411, Green Crayons wrote:why would Isis-scum switch from Cycle to Norwegian as part of HEM/Isis/Ali push?literally everything else
All other information is second tier."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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only mod-confirmed informationIn post 3418, Green Crayons wrote:only information"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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lolIn post 3422, humaneatingmonkey wrote:and my reads will be bussed"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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I'm not blind to the concept of bussing, but bussing generally has a strategy behind it.In post 3420, humaneatingmonkey wrote:and bussing doesn't undermine that information at all?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Por que?
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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You’re really the worst.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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This game is boring.In post 3542, Firebringer wrote:lack of pressence since we lynched Norwee."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Did you not see the VCA I did? More work than the totally of effort I put into this game."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Well whatever. I put few hours into the game at one single time so I call that effort. And then the thread did a wet fart apart from HME’s Isis case."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Whatever order, let's lynch:
Deimos27
Looker
Firebringer
Probably should never lynch:
Isis
humaneatingmonkey
Never lynch:
Elements
You want me to write up how my view of other players would change based on BOTH a scum AND town flip for EVERY SINGLE PLAYER.And how would Deimos flipping scum influence your reads on all the other players? How would Deimos flipping town influence your reads on all the other players?
Please do this to the other people in your lynch order as well.
lol, no sir."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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But, since I'm voting for Deimos, I won't be lazy and instead say if Deimos flips red I would instantly go back to look at FB and Isis, as those two players are the ones I recall (from those still living) who have had the most interactions with Deimos. I don't know if that would change my read on FB or Isis, but it's where I'd start.In post 3552, humaneatingmonkey wrote:And how would Deimos flipping scum influence your reads on all the other players?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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But there's nothing really new to address. We need a flip."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Past GC *really* wanted HME to be scum for some reason, so I was fighting the obvious HME = town.In post 3065, Green Crayons wrote:In post 1058, humaneatingmonkey wrote:unless it's scum!NorwEE and scum!Cycle. He's more willing to get lynched and make up a reason for an alternative vote (me) than to bus NorwEE
Pretty on the nose, there, HME.In post 1153, humaneatingmonkey wrote:A counterwagon opens around NorwEE. He doesn't take it.
An argument can be made that he is town because there's no reason. But there is.
Clemency is always at a high risk of a lynch, as town or scum. Scum!Celemency knows that he's not getting away from a lynch, regardless of what the town thinks about him.
With that in mind, Scum!Celemency will make town!NorwEE look better and risk a potential mislynch for his scumteam by switching to his wagon. When he is a strong lynch potential at anytime, why would he help town!NorwEE here?
Scum!Clemency will also prefer to not aid the lynch of scum!NorwEE, who has a better fighting chance than he has.
At least town!Celemency has a reason to pursue a NorwEE lynch. He has no idea here what NorwEE will flip and he'll be game to see where the wagon leads to — bonus points for scumreading the slot in the firstplace.
Instead he doesn't take it.
I'm really not sure what to make of the Cycle-Norwegian-HME mashup from page 36 to 43.
It's just so damned weird that Cycle and Norwegian focus on HME out of the Ali/HME/Isis trio who try to push a Norwegian counterwagon to Cycle's wagon.
I keep vacillating between seeing the Cycle/Norwegian/HME interactions as legit, and completely contrived.
If we take it that Cycle attacked/voted the Ali/HME/Isis trio who press for a Norwegian-wagon to help Norwegian, then Cycle's goal is to help scum (by defending Norwegian-scum). You don't help scum by singling out and attacking yet another scum from that trio (assuming one is there). Like, I have this really big paranoia that Cycle/Norwegian/HME were doing this big scum gambit to get mad at each other, but it doesn't have the greatest of scum benefits for two of them to gang up against one. And then for HME and Cycle to keep going at it for several pages after 43.
I guess the simplest answer is that HME is town, and Cycle/Norwegian ganged up on him to see what would stick. That just feels *too* simple. Bah.
HME is town."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Elements will be and is forever town.In post 3370, Green Crayons wrote:
Elements votes are hella dumb.In post 3055, Green Crayons wrote:VC 1.31: GC drops from Cycyle to Norwegian, but in my defense I went from one scum to another.
Another thing is that Elements picks up two votes: Cycle (scum) and Ali (town). Flash forward to VC 1.34, and Norwegian (scum) joins to make Elements a competing wagon to Cycle. Suggests Elements isn’t scum, as now Cycle is actually playing so presumably Norwegian is trying to save a buddy.
VC 1.36: Elements comically moves his vote off Cycle (scum), to Ali (town), which makes his wagon tied with Cycle. He then shifts back over several hundred posts later in VC 1.37, only to go back to Ali in VC 1.38.
I say comically, because if he’s town this isn’t a good move just in terms of numbers. If he’s scum? Maybe. No sense in trying to push town to kill a friend on D1 if you can avoid it. So he’s testing the waters on other lynches. Or maybe he’s just town whose befuddled!
I’m really not sold on what to make of this, as for as AI goes for Elements.
VC 1.38 through 1.41, though, I think is very interesting. The competing wagons essentially come down to Elements versus Cycle, with two scum votes on Elements. My reaction is that this would make Elements town.
I mean, of course town can wagon two scum on D1, so it’s not impossible that Cycle and Elements are both scum. It happens! But we already did that with Cycle versus Norwegian. Not to mention, we have two scum on the Elements counterwagon, including Norwegian who tried to put momentum there (VC 1.34)."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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God no.In post 3567, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Also do my questionIn post 3561, Green Crayons wrote:You want me to write up how my view of other players would change based on BOTH a scum AND town flip for EVERY SINGLE PLAYER.
That would require rereading/skimming the thread to look at both SCUM and TOWN hypotheticals for those players."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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Ignore my stupid ramblings about Elements and FB.In post 3055, Green Crayons wrote:Okay, back to the competing wagons. The breakdown of the Cycle Men wagon as FB started getting votes is interesting.
VC 1.24: FB (last to vote for Cycle) shifts from Cycle over to votato. I read this as null. Shifting away from a wagon is not great, but he was last on, was barely there, and decides to vote someone who isn’t being voted for.
VC 1.25: Two things.
First, Elements shifts from Cycle over to FB. This vote puts FB at 4, and at the time of the vote (but not the time of VC 1.25) Cycle Men was left with 4. This leans scum as it takes momentum away from Cycle and adds it to FB (unknown alignment)
Second, Isis shifts from Cycle over to Norwegian. This actually reduces Cycle to 3, and makes Norwegian a competing wagon with FB with 4 votes each. As we know Cycle and Norwegian are scum, it would certainly be a weird for Isis-scum to simply trade out one scum wagon (Cycle) for another (Norwegian), when they both are competing against the FB wagon (unknown alignment). This gives Isis town points.
I say unknown alignment, but the likelihood that we were wagoning three scum at the same time in D1 is stupid unlikely. With the competing wagons being Norwegian (scum), Cycle (scum), and FB (unknown), FB is likely town, which makes Elements look not good in VC 1.25.
The bolded is what I keep coming back to for Isis. She was voting for poorly performing Cycle-scum, and then shifted to help a wagon against the adequately performing Norwegian-scum. This is a really big hump that I can't get over."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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So I reread Post 3127 and Post 3129, while looking at the posts you were referencing.
Did you have other posts you'd like me to review?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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So did FBIn post 3573, humaneatingmonkey wrote:she wanted her to live out until the later days.
I assumed this was a current site thing."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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You mean like switching from Cycle-scum to Norwegian-scum?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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FB, who was your golden group? And did it ever change up until Norwegian was lynched?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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If this is what my mind is latching onto, then lol x2 at HME wanting shoot-from-the-hip associative assessments based on hypothetical scum & town flips for every player.In post 3579, Firebringer wrote:i said i didn't want to lynch norwee at one point because i enjoyed his posts."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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So if FB is scum, he (1) would have needed to hope that either he gets enough cred to survive and graduate into the golden group, (2) GC/HEM/Isis is scum that he's hiding in the golden group, or (3) he hopes it goes nowhere but that the idea gets him town points (and the golden group is really all town).In post 3583, Firebringer wrote:
the first group was alise/GC/HEM/IsisIn post 3582, Green Crayons wrote:FB, who was your golden group? And did it ever change up until Norwegian was lynched?
(1) is hella dumb and wouldn't happen.
(2) is unlikely. also if FB is red and flips early, the golden group are going to get incredibly scrutinized by town. not the best of strategies.
(3) is speculation about whether it's true or not.
BUT what this means is, is that if FB is scum, he's not likely scum with GC/HEM/Isis.
I was hoping this was going to be more helpful for *me*, but I already don't think GC/HEM/Isis is scum. But something to chew on for those who think FB is a serious scum contender."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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actually probably scumIn post 1139, Green Crayons wrote:In post 1115, Firebringer wrote:I think norwee is actually probably scum here and buddying up to some peeps. I don't care about lynching norwee day 1. I like his posts and attitude in general. Gives the game a fun atmosphere.
but likes his posts and attitude
I'm not crazy."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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And doesn't want to lynch D1 because of it."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).-
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