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A perfect slot to hind in as Kira
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I'm thinking you're KiraIn post 77, Kokichi Oma wrote:In the 2 games I've played with you, every time I voted you, you voted me back. You were town those games so I wanted to see if you would do the same here. Good work
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I'd have the least confidence as Kira, self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entityIn post 92, Save The Dragons wrote: Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira-
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You see the games being played, the moves being madeIn post 93, Gimli wrote: yeah but he is quoting a very scummy post by kokichi and calling him kira for it, it's not really random, there's a read on a player here. I think maybe as scum kawaii would be more elaborate, and IDK if kira is condidently doing anything tbh. if this is a chess game, kira is the scum's king. IDK if it plays too loosey goosey but ofc kira might do that if we start just reading people as not kira for playing loose.
I don't think it's kawaii anyway.
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UNVOTE: BlackIn post 100, KawaiiKame wrote:
You see the games being played, the moves being madeIn post 93, Gimli wrote: yeah but he is quoting a very scummy post by kokichi and calling him kira for it, it's not really random, there's a read on a player here. I think maybe as scum kawaii would be more elaborate, and IDK if kira is condidently doing anything tbh. if this is a chess game, kira is the scum's king. IDK if it plays too loosey goosey but ofc kira might do that if we start just reading people as not kira for playing loose.
I don't think it's kawaii anyway.
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How do you know only Kira can see the skills in play?In post 107, Black wrote: Lorne... when you wrote 28 did you know that only Kira can see what skills are in play and not the followers?-
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It is a good flip, we need to focus on anyone who is Kira/Kira aligned, not exclusively KiraIn post 140, Gimli wrote: but I feel that meg might have openclaimed kira alignment, and it's still not a good flip because we should be focused solely on kira hunting.-
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^ Straight upIn post 165, Black wrote: If we suspect someone is a follower then we kill them
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Who do you feel is a follower?In post 192, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Agreed, going for people who are just kira can lead to more miselim's cause we could be overlooking things by not looking for followers too.In post 174, KawaiiKame wrote:
It is a good flip, we need to focus on anyone who is Kira/Kira aligned, not exclusively KiraIn post 140, Gimli wrote: but I feel that meg might have openclaimed kira alignment, and it's still not a good flip because we should be focused solely on kira hunting.-
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I doIn post 348, Gimli wrote:
do we think kawaii has faded away and became a non-entity?In post 99, KawaiiKame wrote:
I'd have the least confidence as Kira, self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entityIn post 92, Save The Dragons wrote: Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira-
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I'm backIn post 399, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Then follow your heart's desire as you please. The longer it takes Kawaii (AND Mala) to resurface, the more this one grows wary of them.In post 396, Gimli wrote: ah
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The whole basis of your case is me going dark, contributing nothing, etc. You said yourself I was onto something with Kokichi, how is that nothing?In post 400, Gimli wrote:
sure.In post 398, Black wrote: Gimli can you scum case Kawaii?
let's remove the fact that it did absolutely nothing, not a single read, not a single game advancing question or statement and it just went full scum potato lurk mode. then there's this idea, that maybe a new player like kawaii (who I assume is a new player) will be actually too self conscious and frozen up if he randed fucking kira in a game like this, and would just truthtell ITT and fade to the background and become a non entity:In post 99, KawaiiKame wrote:
I'd have the least confidence as Kira, self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entityIn post 92, Save The Dragons wrote: Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira
there's nothing more self conscious than this last post. IDK what else do you need. maybe kawaii is kira, maybe kawaii is a follower, but I'm betting the bank on this being a wolf regardless. it's a wolf. it's not knowing what to do.In post 350, KawaiiKame wrote:
I doIn post 348, Gimli wrote:
do we think kawaii has faded away and became a non-entity?In post 99, KawaiiKame wrote:
I'd have the least confidence as Kira, self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entityIn post 92, Save The Dragons wrote: Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira
if the defense is 'surely he wouldn't play this poorly' then IDK what else you want as a case. this is the most blatant lolkira we have. if it's a dead end it's fine cause it's just d1. but I say we roll with the truthtelling and flip it and see what happens.
worst case scenario we lost the kawaii slot playing like absolute potatoes.
-You on meIn post 93, Gimli wrote: yeah but he is quoting a very scummy post by kokichi and calling him kira for it, it's not really random, there's a read on a player here. I think maybe as scum kawaii would be more elaborate, and IDK if kira is condidently doing anything tbh. if this is a chess game, kira is the scum's king. IDK if it plays too loosey goosey but ofc kira might do that if we start just reading people as not kira for playing loose.
I don't think it's kawaii anyway.
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I concede you read into my post, but that was the idea I wanted to convey, I even implied it was in my next post to you about koki when you said Kira is the King in chessIn post 404, Gimli wrote: you pointed at koki and called him kira, you didn't elaborate. I was projecting my own thoughts into your post clearly.-
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That's a completely valid reason to be voting me, I failed to engage with anyone up into this pointIn post 409, Vanderscamp wrote:
I'm not voting Kawaii because I'm sheeping their own read on themselves, I'm voting Kawaii because the content they have posted has felt awkward and I don't like how little they've engaged with anyone.In post 385, Black wrote: Do we really think kawaii is Kira because they said they would act a certain way as Kira and then acted that way? That just doesn't seem like something scum would do. To assume Kawaii is Kira we have to assume they would just out themselves D1 for no reason
Also Kokichi brought up a Gimli meta analysis that everyone just overlooked. Gimli is definitely acting more confident in his reads this game and it's not just exclusive to the Kokichi read. All of his reads have felt definitive. Just feels weird
With the last question you asked, I wanted to know how Black knew the Kira skill mechanic
As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me, though I was tempted to ask why Black is 0% follower with Gimli being 100% town, I held back to attempt this gambit
It's possible followers exist in Kokichi/HPE, though I'm not finding saying I should not be eliminated to be sufficient evidence, it doesn't make total sense to defend me as followers if their genuine belief is I am town-
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Scumreading me is not scummy in itself, I feel town would find my play scummy, I do not trust Gimli's motivation, seems like he's following the red herring I set up in the beginning, pivoting away from Kokichi to me, I see why Gimli towns Kokichi, but I don't see why Gimli used the thinnest piece of evidence, my own self-admission of how I'd play Kira and build a complete case upon it when I happen to play the same way being away, feels opportunisticIn post 416, Vanderscamp wrote: Kawaii, thoughts the people scumreading you?
You feel valid when saying you voting me since I'm awkward/failed to engage with anyone, that's a valid reason to vote me, any town wants me to engage, something I've failed to do, town wants engagement so town doesn't fall into inactivity, I like HPE saying,
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Lemme read the gimli gamesIn post 419, Kokichi Oma wrote: So if anyone else notices the difference besides just Black in the gimli games I've posted, can everyone stop blindly town reading him? I don't understand it. And his certainty of his reads is something I don't get. I would be very much down for a Gimli vote out today-
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Why pursue me if you feel weird casing me? What more do we need? We need more than this, Idek the people you listing, circumstantial evidence, why does me playing like people Idek implicate me? Like wtf? I'm in confusion, this case you have against me is completely circumstantial, I say I'd fade away and become a non-entity as Kira and I happen to fade away and become a non entity, meaning I'm Kira? Me playing the way I say I'd play Kira only means IIn post 428, Gimli wrote: meta: kawaii just finished a newbie and posted like a hydra of grandpamo and shirou
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IDK I feel weird hard casing the guy this hard, I'm not saying I KNOW THIS IS 10000% MAFIA but dudes what more do we need?In post 11, KawaiiKame wrote: I've played in school/in forummightbe Kira, me being away is not evidence I am Kira, it only increases the likelihood of me being Kira. How tf does me saying I'd fade away and become a non-entity as Kira, only to fade away and become a non-entity help mefade away and become a non-entity, you noticed me being gone because of what I said, me drawing attention to myself like that achieves the opposite of me fading away, in fact it made me an entity by causing me to come back when you called out my red-herring, I like the call out, showed you had a town mindset, but now you're being overconfident tunneling me on pure circumstance, if I assume good faith. If I assume bad faith, you're Kira pursuing the easiest kill without having to write my name in the Death Note-
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Gimli feels totally different in this game to this one, the confidence in this game/the doubt in the last games is night/day, feels like 2 different people in personality/style, you mentioned Gimli getting burned against you b4 so maybe this is a change of playstyle in place of change in alignment, it is possible the alignment changed with the playstyle thoughIn post 345, Kokichi Oma wrote: Look at these 2 iso's from Gimli's last 2 games and compare to this so far. Just from Day 1s. Does no one else see the difference? Look how much he hopped around compared to how 'certain' he is with his reads here.
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Why tf you potentially outing PRs?In post 432, Gimli wrote: if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:
1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii
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You thinking the game is easy is a mistake, the game is not easy, if you do not think anyone else is Kira you fail to see who you facingIn post 454, Gimli wrote: meta case against me is that I'm too confident. we're playing a 10er with a majority of players I played with before, and I think kira is especifically a newbie who couldn't sustain the weight of their role in game, so I happen to think the game is easy.-
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I'm quoting Gimli...In post 487, Lorne Malvo wrote:
Nooo Kawaii that's a bad postIn post 450, KawaiiKame wrote:
Why tf you potentially outing PRs?In post 432, Gimli wrote: if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:
1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii
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How confident do you feel in Lorne being scum? Time to IS0In post 509, Black wrote: He also gave some fluff bs answer when I asked him about Gimli's post. I think Lorne is just scum-
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Was Lorne your townread?In post 511, HighPrincessErinys wrote: VOTE: Lorne Malvo
Today feels like the day where all of my townreads make asses of themselves.-
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I'm willing to hold back my vote on Lorne though this sudden shift to bwing my push doesn't look good in my eyesIn post 514, Kokichi Oma wrote:
While I agree he made a 180, I would want to see his reason why it was a bad post for Kawaii and not for us.In post 503, Black wrote:In post 380, Lorne Malvo wrote: If Kawaii was Kira, I would not want to be a follower right nowIn post 423, Lorne Malvo wrote: I do not approve a Kawaii hangVOTE: Lorne Malvo
Like Lorne openly declared support in siding with Gimli
Straight up show of allegiance
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I get you with Lorne's posts flying you by, they flied by me too when reading them, saw it as innocent banter with saying Gimli is based finding Kira D1 with Gimli vs. Koki siding with GimliIn post 274, HighPrincessErinys wrote: an intensive read honestly his posts have just been flying over my head but my vaguest impressions are that hes town-ish-y-
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It's a great post if Gimli posts it but a bad post if I post it? How tf does this make sense? The post didn't change, only the person who posted it, why does it make a difference who posted it if the content is the same?In post 538, Lorne Malvo wrote:
Oh that was a great post thenIn post 498, Black wrote:
Gimli's post is literally in the kawaii post you quotedIn post 493, Lorne Malvo wrote:
I don't read Gimli's posts, they're too longIn post 489, Black wrote:
Do you really think kawaii's post was worse than Gimli's?In post 487, Lorne Malvo wrote: Nooo Kawaii that's a bad post
Maybe Lorne is just Kira
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Meta this, meta that, have you ever meta girl before?In post 480, Gimli wrote: HPE, to kawaii's post you think is excellent, let me respond to that then:
the newbie that just ended had kawaii making some 400 posts. while that's not enough to scumcase someone, its clear from kawaii's posts that they're having a hard time producing content. other than pushing me and defending themselves, I wouldn't say kawaii done anything this game, and that contradicts with their freshest town meta of being involved.In post 447, KawaiiKame wrote:
Why pursue me if you feel weird casing me? What more do we need? We need more than this, Idek the people you listing, circumstantial evidence, why does me playing like people Idek implicate me? Like wtf? I'm in confusion, this case you have against me is completely circumstantial, I say I'd fade away and become a non-entity as Kira and I happen to fade away and become a non entity, meaning I'm Kira? Me playing the way I say I'd play Kira only means Imightbe Kira, me being away is not evidence I am Kira, it only increases the likelihood of me being Kira. How tf does me saying I'd fade away and become a non-entity as Kira, only to fade away and become a non-entity help mefade away and become a non-entity, you noticed me being gone because of what I said, me drawing attention to myself like that achieves the opposite of me fading away, in fact it made me an entity by causing me to come back when you called out my red-herring, I like the call out, showed you had a town mindset, but now you're being overconfident tunneling me on pure circumstance, if I assume good faith. If I assume bad faith, you're Kira pursuing the easiest kill without having to write my name in the Death Note
kawaii said that was all theatre to be read as kira so they could farm reactions from it. I simply do not believe that to be the case, I think kawaii wasn't looking scummy on purpose.
kawaii isn't scum just because he did exactly what he said he'd do as kira; but because the meta read and the truthtelling are accurate descriptions of someone picking up this role and being incredibly self conscious about it.
I started to push kawaii, and suddenly people started defending him. when I was pushing kokichi, there was no resistance from any parts of the thread. when I started pushing kawaii, I started to become a wagon myself. that increases the likelihood that I'm onto something and that's why I'm pursuing this elimination, to the very end and even if I annoy enough townies to be flipped for it.
I...don't fault you for your reasoning, it's wrong but it's a town mindset, especially feeling you're onto something with all the defense of me not being Kira, I know I'm not Kira but I see why you see me as Kira
If you feel you're onto something, keep going, and don't let anyone stop you, who knows maybe my flip can cause you to revaluate the game, especially with HPE as you said, you holding me to my last meta is not something I like though, since it's circumstantial evidence, the way I play b4 as town doesn't mean I'm not town in this game, I am, I've been busy in the weekend in life and I thought I'd be the most useful acting like Kira instead of randomly coming in and out, I hope you shifting focus to me away Koki is beneficial to town, as in I hope Koki is not scum
With the last game I felt free to post, I had time, my time was tight causing me to disengage and letting the day play out, I feel my disengagement was beneficial to the game with all the engagement it created, thanks to your pursuit of me with Vand and the defense of those who do not believe in me being Kira
I hope you think about this, if I'm not Kira, who is? This is what I want to find out
You theorize I am the passive/defensive Kira, one who is overwhelmed by the weight of my role, unprepared to be who I am, not ready to be Kira- someone who is completely collapsing in front of your eyes in real time, only responding to defend myself and not deeply analyzing the game to scumhunt
I saw you as an active/offensive Kira, someone who is pinning down the easiest elimination and pursuing it full force based on contradictions, but now that I realize the play you making I do not see this, if you're not Kira, and I'm not Kira, then Kira lies some place in the middle, someone who is active/defensive, passive/offensive, someone who is careful in their thoughts/words, someone who articulates their reasons semi well, someone who is potentially defensive, if not disarming
If we ascribe to this active/defensive theory Kira is among Black/HPE/Kochi
Kochi is naturally disarming/affable, seemingly shifting to any mood at any time adapting to the state of the game we in, fitting into town blending in like a chameleon, I'm always amused by the character Kochi posts I find it funny, the lack of edge I get is a potential danger, you pursued Kochi b4 and like you I'm confused how Kochi is Kira since they feel town
Black feels simultaneously offensive/defensive, pursuing you/Lorne while defending me, I genuinely believe everything Black says is a town mindset, questioning everyone and everything, including me, I like this inquisitive mind a lot, actively engaging with the game with thoughts/feelings I logically/emotionally follow, feel she's pursuing mafia as she sees them
HPE feels chill to me, saying your Kira case against me is flimsy, I do not fail to see I am bias with this, HPE's statement aligns with my pov of not being Kira, HPE simultaneously saying a case exists of me being scumlean while saying my defense is excellent, Ik you think it's not, I want to know why HPE thinks it is, I feel HPE's playstyle suits Kira the most but I don't think HPE is Kira
Vand is on the opposite side going against me, this pursuit feels town with saying I'm awkward/minimal engagement, thoughts flow naturally building a case against me, constantly asking why people think I'm town, I find these significant:
In post 407, Vanderscamp wrote: this feels very follower to Kawaii Kira esque.In post 408, Vanderscamp wrote: If Kawaii were Kira I would expect followers to post pretty much exactly the kind of thing that HPE just did, so I don't understand you giving this read right after that happened.In post 407, Vanderscamp wrote: this feels very follower to Kawaii Kira esque.-
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Why does this feel very follower to me = Kira esque?In post 407, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am voting them.In post 381, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
At this point a daykill on Kawaii doesn't feel necessary. Sinking into background is feeling more and more like a scum thing to this one but even if we condemn them in a day or two it honestly doesn't think it would be worth it especially for the detective reveal. And then there's the aspect of when you wait multiple days, the gamestate and what we know and who's scummiest will change. Condemn now = Total gamble, condemn later = We don't even know if we'd want to at that point. Thus if you want Kawaii dead NOW, vote them. Though again this one prefers dragging the game days out for max discussion and analysis.In post 377, Vanderscamp wrote:
I am extremely down to daykill Kawaii.In post 362, Kokichi Oma wrote: Okay it's independent of me. Then okay. And I don't think we're going to vote out Kawaii today anyway, so no point.
I'm actually just going to look through iso's and stop trying to defend myself cause my back and forth with you is distracting me too much.
I don't like the fact that Kawaii has never responded to me calling out that post I thought was scummy, or asked me about my vote.
I also don't understand this defence, this feels very follower to Kawaii Kira esque.-
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Wait. I missed this from kawaii somehow and this seems weird. I was thinking Kawaii wasn't around much this weekend and that they might have felt overwhelmed due to this game having a much different ruleset and mechanics than the newbie games. I was not expecting this responseIn post 481, Gimli wrote:
HPE do you seriously believe what kawaii is saying here?In post 417, KawaiiKame wrote: As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me
I was feeling overwhelmed with everything happening in the weekend, helping with moving/going back into school, the scope of this game too, so many things happened suddenly to take away my time/shy me away in the game, I didn't know what to say a lot of the time and feeling I made a massive mistake last game, some point I conceived the idea of slightly baiting followers to come to me by being away, I wanted to see how Kira would react to me seeming like Kira too, since I'd be away anyway I thought I'd do the slight gambit, letting the day play out igniting the flames, I didn't expect this fire, I intended to see how Kira/followers would reactIn post 532, Black wrote:
Kawaii were you serious when you said this? I don't get this vibe from you and I also think you revealing this is pretty weird if that actually is your planKawaii wrote: As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me-
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Assuming no follower believed in me being Kira in hpe/koki/black all 3 = townIn post 649, Gimli wrote: I almost liked those posts though for real
so let's consider when kawaii isn't kira. then hpe/koki/black would probably be townies because who wouldn't take the easy d1 here as kira/follower, right?
we're pointing at STD/lorne/malakittens? if that's the case
I'm keeping vander as a townie in any configuration
Excluding Vand, by poe in you pov, yes, Kira has to be within STD/lorne/mala-
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I'm confirming the logic in Gimli's poe via his pov, ofc it isn't saying anything new, sometimes a confirmation of logic is goodIn post 657, Save The Dragons wrote: i don't think that's a good poe, i'm not kira and i don't think it's mala or lorne tbh
i think that post by kawaii just now is potentially trying to buddy it doesn't actually say much of anything new
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I'm with you in Lorne not being Kira, Lorne feels way too erratic/chaotic to be Kira, Lorne feels like Misa in this game
The main hole in Gimli's logic is not seeing Vand as Kira/follower in any event, that narrows down Kira to you/mala/lorne by poe
Who do you feel is Kira if I'm not Kira? Ik you see yourself as not Kira in your pov but I see Kira deflecting being Kira to me-
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What is high hanging fruit in your pov?In post 661, Save The Dragons wrote: i guess i shouldn't rule out mala so quickly but my experience is she doesn't post much and i worry that people going after her are going after low hanging fruit-
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In post 663, KawaiiKame wrote:
Who is high hanging fruit in your pov?In post 661, Save The Dragons wrote: i guess i shouldn't rule out mala so quickly but my experience is she doesn't post much and i worry that people going after her are going after low hanging fruit
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Feel it's hard to read std too, out of anyone it may be best to vote him, Kira is the most dangerous if we can't read himIn post 650, Gimli wrote: std = is std. if I can't read him in a normal game then I can't read him in this game.-
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We must kill Kira
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True... the poe is dependent on assuming good faith of everyone and no one is a wolf in sheep's clothing disguising themselves as KiraIn post 667, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Noteworthy that PoE here can easily be disrupted by someone who's already been eliminated from the equation being a big fat phony.
I'm feeling std now that it is a bad poe, I need to go back to solve this game
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I like this post out of you, my conviction that std is Kira is low, though I do feel std fits the way Kira would play in my eyes, someone who is neutral/observant, though std may be playing like town playing as town, I feel std is town/Kira, I'm not seeing follower stdIn post 668, Malakittens wrote:In post 665, KawaiiKame wrote:
Feel it's hard to read std too, out of anyone it may be best to vote him, Kira is the most dangerous if we can't read himIn post 650, Gimli wrote: std = is std. if I can't read him in a normal game then I can't read him in this game.These two posts are terrible. This reads as a potential coverup for what seems to be an easy vote.
I'm not saying std is the easiest player to read because he isn't, but there is some differences between his town/scum games. I have been across scum-std once and I was able to gut read him as scum, but didn't have a great case in order to get him limmed.
The way this vote reads to me as "well I'm being wagoned so here's my counterwagon with this argument even tho its shit its the best chance i have" type vote/post.
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As in on-edge emotionally? "Wound too tightly" I believe is what you said, though I may be mistaking you in place of someone else, why does Black being on edge emotionally make you nervous about Black being Kira? How did you pick up on her being on edge?In post 676, Save The Dragons wrote: as far as likely suspects if you're not kira i think black is on-edge and that makes me nervous-
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I will give you time since we have time, HPE/meg's defense of you convinced me of thisIn post 678, Save The Dragons wrote:
i don't actually think i'm unreadable, i think i'm just hard to read. i think you should give it more time, personally.In post 665, KawaiiKame wrote:
Feel it's hard to read std too, out of anyone it may be best to vote him, Kira is the most dangerous if we can't read himIn post 650, Gimli wrote: std = is std. if I can't read him in a normal game then I can't read him in this game.-
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Reminder that i am not JusticeIn post 675, Enchant wrote: Reminder that i am not Kira.-
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This feels like Kira-esque thinking, seeing me as scum leaning in inclination while inquiring my alignment based on my emotion,In post 673, Malakittens wrote: This feels like overwhelmed-scum in a hole in which they can't get out of IMO.
I'm still in the process of catching up, but I'd be more inclined to vote Kawaii here because of that. At the same time the emotion is genuine, but now it's trying to figure out what alignment. I'm more inclined to lean towards scum than town. especially in a game like this because yes a follower is aware of kira but kira doesn't know who the follower is.a follower is aware of kira but kira doesn't know who the follower isis potentially Kira signaling to a/the follower-
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I do feel this is a fair assessment though since this is what town would think too, pretty town-esque in thinking since this feels like wanting to solve, I'm dividedIn post 673, Malakittens wrote:
This feels like overwhelmed-scum in a hole in which they can't get out of IMO.In post 642, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 483, Black wrote:
Wait. I missed this from kawaii somehow and this seems weird. I was thinking Kawaii wasn't around much this weekend and that they might have felt overwhelmed due to this game having a much different ruleset and mechanics than the newbie games. I was not expecting this responseIn post 481, Gimli wrote:
HPE do you seriously believe what kawaii is saying here?In post 417, KawaiiKame wrote: As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me
I was feeling overwhelmed with everything happening in the weekend, helping with moving/going back into school, the scope of this game too, so many things happened suddenly to take away my time/shy me away in the game, I didn't know what to say a lot of the time and feeling I made a massive mistake last game, some point I conceived the idea of slightly baiting followers to come to me by being away, I wanted to see how Kira would react to me seeming like Kira too, since I'd be away anyway I thought I'd do the slight gambit, letting the day play out igniting the flames, I didn't expect this fire, I intended to see how Kira/followers would reactIn post 532, Black wrote:
Kawaii were you serious when you said this? I don't get this vibe from you and I also think you revealing this is pretty weird if that actually is your planKawaii wrote: As to why I'm disengaged with this game, this is intentional, I want people to think I'm Kira to see how Kira/followers react to me
I'm still in the process of catching up, but I'd be more inclined to vote Kawaii here because of that. At the same time the emotion is genuine, but now it's trying to figure out what alignment. I'm more inclined to lean towards scum than town. especially in a game like this because yes a follower is aware of kira but kira doesn't know who the follower is.-
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In post 687, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 529, Black wrote: I love when the tunneler ignores other important stuff being discussed and finally jumps in when they can go back to their tunnel
just little things that ping me, it's kind of a nervous energy. i dunno. it could come from kira being nervous.In post 553, Black wrote: You claiming Nothing was a joke? What kind of joke is that?
This is nai to me, the nervous energy is a feeling, what points exactly do you feel Black is nervous in so I can IS0 effectively?In post 637, Black wrote:
I won't disagreeIn post 632, Save The Dragons wrote: i feel like black is wound a little tightly-
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I imagine you feel what I said is so stupid that it's not even worth words, only dotsIn post 686, Malakittens wrote: ............-
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Idk who fits into this now...In post 676, Save The Dragons wrote: i think a lot of people could still be kira. i haven't really ruled anyone out. some people seem really town but i think it's possible kira is on their best behavior trying to look town.-
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I mean...maybe? I see the point, I just don't know if you're grasping at straws/potentially onto somethingIn post 692, Save The Dragons wrote: it might be nai it just seems like the "what kind of joke is that?" could be fake indignation for example-
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Who do you think is playing their best town play?In post 676, Save The Dragons wrote: some people seem really town but i think it's possible kira is on their best behavior trying to look town.-
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0kay this checks outIn post 697, Black wrote:
Skill claiming as a joke is a dumb idea imo. If someone else counterclaims then Lorne looks scummy and now we are starting to reveal who has what skill. I felt like I had a decent read on Kira fake claiming this skill only for that to be squashed by Lorne calling it a joke. It was a little frustrating and yeah maybe I let my emotion seep inIn post 692, Save The Dragons wrote: it might be nai it just seems like the "what kind of joke is that?" could be fake indignation for example-
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I'm with you in skill claiming being bad with opening up ccing, see why you find it slightly upsettingIn post 697, Black wrote:
Skill claiming as a joke is a dumb idea imo. If someone else counterclaims then Lorne looks scummy and now we are starting to reveal who has what skill. I felt like I had a decent read on Kira fake claiming this skill only for that to be squashed by Lorne calling it a joke. It was a little frustrating and yeah maybe I let my emotion seep inIn post 692, Save The Dragons wrote: it might be nai it just seems like the "what kind of joke is that?" could be fake indignation for example-
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What are you seeing? I want to know your thoughts/emotions, people doubting you doesn't mean they're not valueable, you might be right in solving, want you to feel I value your input, speak your mind, it only helps townIn post 696, Black wrote: It feels like no one is really seeing what I'm seeing in regards to several of my reads so I'm starting to feel self-conscious about how good they actually are. I probably need to reread at some point and get better footing here-
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I feel with not feeling confident in anything you do, that's how I felt in the weekend, hopefully you refresh, these be pretty good readsIn post 696, Black wrote: Right now I still think it might be Gimli, but I'm just not confident in anything I feel right now and I need to refresh before I feel like I can effectively contribute-
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What was your motivation as wolf in the last game we played? Think back to your goals, your desires, your thoughts, your emotionsIn post 701, Black wrote:
I feel like I'm getting wolf vibes from widely townread players. Vander, HPE, Gimli, Lorne. And I was given advice after a recent game of mine that I need to do a better job at figuring out wolf motives. So I'm just not really confident in a lot of what I'm feeling nowIn post 700, KawaiiKame wrote:
What are you seeing? I want to know your thoughts/emotions, people doubting you doesn't mean they're not valueable, you might be right in solving, want you to feel I value your input, speak your mind, it only helps townIn post 696, Black wrote: It feels like no one is really seeing what I'm seeing in regards to several of my reads so I'm starting to feel self-conscious about how good they actually are. I probably need to reread at some point and get better footing here
I specifically know you kept saying how someone being a wolf would act in specific contexts when you = wolf-
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I'm trying to fit Kira into a set archetype and I feel you fit into it at least initially, the gambit is not a lie but I see why you feel it is,In post 703, Save The Dragons wrote:
probably would have voted earlier were it not for kokichi so i'm not sure if this appliesIn post 696, Black wrote: StD posturing to vote for kawaii and then doing it felt opportunistic. StD, question for you. Originally you said you didn't feel like kawaii was solving/hunting. Has this opinion changed in light of kawaii's recent flurry of posts?
i think kawaii is trying harder for sure but i'm not sure it's hunting/solving besides a lot of questions and "okay this post is good". the vote for me was not great if their goal was to try and solve tbh not because it was on me but because of the way they approached it, voting me for playstyle reasons. i think they could have been testing the waters to see if people jumped onto it.
i feel like the whole gambit thing is just a lie and it's hard to change my opinion on that. maybe i'm tunneling but i just am having trouble overcoming that despite whatever effort might come after.
how do I effectively hunt/solve, I'm trying but I feel I'm failing-
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You feel I'm a follower?In post 707, Save The Dragons wrote: i'm not pushing kawaii as kira i'm pushing them as scum. i have no idea if they're kira or not-
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In post 709, Black wrote: I wanted to seem like I was town. So that's why I'm confused and I feel like I'm getting flak somewhat for scumreading townie players. In my mind Kira is probably one the towniest players but I don't think anyone else agrees with meKira is most likely one of the towniest players-
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If Vander feels hard townie it's pretty likely Vander is KiraIn post 649, Gimli wrote: I'm keeping vander as a townie in any configuration-
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I feel Vander > Gimli to vote if we pursue thisIn post 719, Black wrote:
I've had Vander/Gimli linked for awhile nowIn post 717, KawaiiKame wrote:
If Vander feels hard townie it's pretty likely Vander is KiraIn post 649, Gimli wrote: I'm keeping vander as a townie in any configuration-
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