In post 20, kelbris wrote:That is my personal opinion however, and I see that most of the other players disagree with it.
UNVOTE:
Did the other players' disagreement change your mind here? I'm not sure why you unvoted.
Because he's scared scum. He realized he messed up.
In post 29, A Real Scourge wrote:i don't really see scum changing their mind because of popular opinion so publically like that. a bit brazen, isn't it? though that could be a reverse to think the reverse! is that scummy to you, iraonavp? (gosh do you have like... a nickname? im not sure how to begin breaking that up)
I do. Just ask Klingon.
In post 37, Raskolnikov wrote:So within hours we have a mason claim (unless she's kidding) and an unkillable claim. I hate both you.
That's ok I don't think feel good about you.
In post 39, Raskolnikov wrote:Especially if you're unkillable because you could have eaten a NK if you're actually town.
VOTE: snarky
They could have, but it's all wifom anyways and I imagine scum are pretty posses at something like this happening. We've got conftown that can't be dealt with, I mean that's a massive advantage. You should be happy and you aren't. Why not?
In post 40, beeboy wrote:Wait @everyone I can guarantee we can figure out Elsa and Anna's role if we get them to L-1 by page 3 I promise.
Why them in particular? Because they're so.... Them? I don't think you really have to try to get them to the point where they're a pretty easy read in most cases, IMO.
In post 42, Raskolnikov wrote:I don't actually believe you but that sounds like a fun thing to do regardless
Doesn't it? But why are you so hoppy with your vote?
In post 39, Raskolnikov wrote:Especially if you're unkillable because you could have eaten a NK if you're actually town.
VOTE: snarky
Is he scum-aligned, though? We can make policy lynches later if necessary. I think placing your vote here at this point is anti-town, since he already claimed.
Yep. Why are you so unsure about this? I don't feel too good about you, either.
In post 52, kelbris wrote:When I said "I should've seen it coming", I mean that whilst it was unexpected, I should have realized that it was a possible tactic used in the game of Mafia. Public opinion changed my vote because my (rather stupid I will admit) vote immediately made everyone accuse me when I was simply basing my vote on past experience, sometimes you just need to admit when you are wrong and realize when others are right, even in mafia.
How...adult of you!
I like being the adult one usually!
Dammit, how can I scumread you when logic and humility are employed!?
- Ari
He actually reads scary like my horribad off-site scum metastatic from two years ago. Him and rask are my two biggest scum reads atm.
You can't possibly consider yourself "obvtown" at this stage of the game. I understand that there's a certain degree of bravado there, but still.
Why shouldnt they? I think they're pretty obvtown, and they even have a pm that tells them they're obvtown (unless they don't and in that case why wouldn't they just say they were obvtown?)
Iioa? This isn't playing the game this is nasty scum stuffs
In post 61, Raskolnikov wrote:I thought that if anyone would appreciate literature it one who calls themselves Aristophanes. I suppose you are merely a dilettante? A pretender? An errant, craven pander of ill stock and disreputable house? Bah!
If I wanted you to self hammer I would have started a real post based on how your 2nd post vaguely resembles a policy lynch which would actually make you mad since town was scum reading you for that. I was just trying to lighten the mood <3 =D You wouldn't self hammer and give me the satisfaction of succeeding which is why I was comfortable having you at L-1.
Let's have a fun game ok?
In post 79, SnarkySnowman wrote:To clarify - lynching me is the same as a no lynch, and night killing me is the same as a no kill. I only claim early because I know I often get mistaken for not town and I wanted to not be a distraction. By the same logic I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to be night killed anyway so
In post 112, SnarkySnowman wrote:Aristocow - the thing that makes me not so OP is that I'm not counted towards a majority for endgame purposes. I only have a vote / count towards a voting majority.
@Holly - hydra slip or???
Wait...so your body counts vote votes needed,but your vote doesn't?
Is this only in endgame or is it always??
Holly Suga, you guys need an Avatar.
Also, I didn't see a town slip, and pointing it out yourself makes it not indicative anymore.
Also also, Pip is Itlepip.
- Ari
Yeah you're a very solid NULL. Please think more town thoughts, thanks!
In post 115, SnarkySnowman wrote:As in, scum's wincon is usually something like "you win when you make up half of the living players" or someshit, I don't count. So if there's 3 town including me, and 2 scum, scum win right there.
I guess that makes it a little less exciting, but still we have conftown, right?
In post 115, SnarkySnowman wrote:As in, scum's wincon is usually something like "you win when you make up half of the living players" or someshit, I don't count. So if there's 3 town including me, and 2 scum, scum win right there.
For the record,
That
is something to claim outright.
In the case of a Bullet and Lynch Proof role, I'd claim the latter,nnot the for, in the hopes of drawing an NK.
This is pretty much conftown. I'm good with this!
I find myself just agreeing or disagreeing with your posts but you don't have any feelings and I really don't like it.
In post 119, AristoCow wrote:Wow, rereading that it's obviously about hydra slipping. I feel dumb now.
I still found little content in this iso thus far. VOTE: Holla at yo Suga Momma!
Like this. Why would you do this? What do you even want here? I don't get it. :/
In post 128, A Real Scourge wrote:iraon, is that 'calling themselves obvtown' thing just neutral in your consideration for Elsa and Anna as scum, or is it part of your read?
Good question. I feel better about you than other people here *sideways glance at kel and rask*
For trying to vote an Unlynchable claim and wasting his vote like that.
i didn't like beeboy's vote but i actually like this one less! it sounds so safe, and that he feels the need to explain what should have been obvious is also weird.
that said, i agree with the sentiment of voting beeboy? it's weird. i'll ignore it for now and see if this is just how Alchemist is.
You know this is often the first thing a scum player says to me when I enter a game? Go look up garmr, ythan, or aphix in any of my previous games.
hi Eagle! <3
Eagle's playstyle is definitely very different from what i've seen. just don't let him be in a position to hammer. (i'm kidding Eagle ily)
Rask what are you saying in this post tho? like what are your intentions toward Eagle rn?
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:12 am
by A Real Scourge
also, anyone voting Snarky should rethink it. it's easy to see that it's not a fakeclaim. if there's reason to doubt it, that'll become apparent in a later Day.
AristoCow kind of reminds me of... me. hum. do you happen to be pretty excited for this game, aristophanes? or perhaps you've just been posting while in a good mood? it comes off a bit.. forced.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:17 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
Hi scourge! <3 glad to play a game where I know a lot of people. I promise I don't usually hammer that poorly, I was kind of sad and pessimistic as an overflow from the game I had just gotten out of with Klingon. :'(
And I need a counter for every time someone notices that my play style changes.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:22 am
by Elsa and Anna
will post later today. But I must admit my heart approves that beeboy vote. Not so sure about my brain ...
In post 20, kelbris wrote:That is my personal opinion however, and I see that most of the other players disagree with it.
UNVOTE:
Did the other players' disagreement change your mind here? I'm not sure why you unvoted.
Because he's scared scum. He realized he messed up.
In post 29, A Real Scourge wrote:i don't really see scum changing their mind because of popular opinion so publically like that. a bit brazen, isn't it? though that could be a reverse to think the reverse! is that scummy to you, iraonavp? (gosh do you have like... a nickname? im not sure how to begin breaking that up)
I do. Just ask Klingon.
1- Going back to post 9 to ask more about an RVS vote
2- I think that's a good response to a post 10 claim especially from a newbie. If you said it was bad or you didn't like it that would be fine but I think calling it nasty and going on to scumread him based on it is going too far
3- hands out a townread frivolously and on someone with no content
4- this is ridiculous
5- Because you change your opinion like that as scum you can see kelbris doing it. fair enough.
In post 37, Raskolnikov wrote:So within hours we have a mason claim (unless she's kidding) and an unkillable claim. I hate both you.
That's ok I don't think feel good about you.
In post 39, Raskolnikov wrote:Especially if you're unkillable because you could have eaten a NK if you're actually town.
VOTE: snarky
They could have, but it's all wifom anyways and I imagine scum are pretty posses at something like this happening. We've got conftown that can't be dealt with, I mean that's a massive advantage. You should be happy and you aren't. Why not?
1a assuming you went through the thread post-by-post this statement at this time doesn't make any sense at all as you haven't yet read anything to base a feeling off of. Alternatively you read everything and had your reads decided then went back to do this post-by-post which is weird considering some of the later fluff, things like the rvs question; I'd expect you to keep it more relevant to your reads if this was the case.
1b the statement doesnt analyse or say anything about whats quoted above it
2 you put him at conftown, say its a massive advantage and that I should be happy.
first of all he's not conf and even if you think it's very likely I'd expect at least a touch of doubt
second of all if you read the thread (going back to 1a) you would know its not a massive advantage because he stated the drawback of his role being the game ends a day earlier, and since he claimed he won't be eating any NKs. you don't question his day 1 claim at all, but assuming he's town you also think claiming first thing day 1 is optimal?
third you say I should be happy for this and ask why I'm not. In the very quote you're responding to I say why he shouldn't claim unkillable so he could have ate a NK. You're scumreading me but not looking at what I actually say?
In post 40, beeboy wrote:Wait @everyone I can guarantee we can figure out Elsa and Anna's role if we get them to L-1 by page 3 I promise.
Why them in particular? Because they're so.... Them? I don't think you really have to try to get them to the point where they're a pretty easy read in most cases, IMO.
In post 42, Raskolnikov wrote:I don't actually believe you but that sounds like a fun thing to do regardless
Doesn't it? But why are you so hoppy with your vote?
In post 39, Raskolnikov wrote:Especially if you're unkillable because you could have eaten a NK if you're actually town.
VOTE: snarky
Is he scum-aligned, though? We can make policy lynches later if necessary. I think placing your vote here at this point is anti-town, since he already claimed.
Yep. Why are you so unsure about this? I don't feel too good about you, either.
In post 52, kelbris wrote:When I said "I should've seen it coming", I mean that whilst it was unexpected, I should have realized that it was a possible tactic used in the game of Mafia. Public opinion changed my vote because my (rather stupid I will admit) vote immediately made everyone accuse me when I was simply basing my vote on past experience, sometimes you just need to admit when you are wrong and realize when others are right, even in mafia.
How...adult of you!
I like being the adult one usually!
Dammit, how can I scumread you when logic and humility are employed!?
- Ari
He actually reads scary like my horribad off-site scum metastatic from two years ago. Him and rask are my two biggest scum reads atm.
You can't possibly consider yourself "obvtown" at this stage of the game. I understand that there's a certain degree of bravado there, but still.
Why shouldnt they? I think they're pretty obvtown, and they even have a pm that tells them they're obvtown (unless they don't and in that case why wouldn't they just say they were obvtown?)
1- total bs. Implying that else/anna (RC and FA) are a pretty easy read. either shallow thinking which is more likely from scum or EE actually thinks that in which case [redacted]
2- looking this far into something clearly not serious: shallow thinking again. Also at the time of that quote I hadn't changed my vote and at the time of this I've only done so once
3- scumreading someone else for NOT using shallow thinking, okay.
4- Another townread given out for free. telling him that in this way is buddying-ish too
5- whether he's right or wrong his view on kelbris here is actually consistent with part1.5 so that's good for him
6- the third (I won't count snarky since that's reasonable) townread given out so fast and easy, worst because he goes as far as saying obvtown. shallow etc but matches the equally absurd view in 3.1
Iioa? This isn't playing the game this is nasty scum stuffs
In post 61, Raskolnikov wrote:I thought that if anyone would appreciate literature it one who calls themselves Aristophanes. I suppose you are merely a dilettante? A pretender? An errant, craven pander of ill stock and disreputable house? Bah!
VOTE: Aristo
Seriously though.
Yeah, seriously.
Wait. OMGUS much?
1- The correct term is fluff, IIoA is when you give information and analysis about the game and without giving strong conclusions on whether people are scum/town or pushing them. Now you can complain about this but if you think its alignment indicative please go further. Not knowing what IIoA contributes to my VI lean on him
2- Okay but don't leave it there. Why not say why you're finding this post and vote scummy beyond saying its omgus? In insolation fluff, IIoA, omgus do come from both alignments so usually people explain beyond just saying this post was X.
I want him to try to connect the dots and actually say why he thinks these posts would come from scum since he believes they do. I want him to explain what he thinks would motivate scum-rask to post these posts he's pointing out and same for kelbris.
that was a shitty reaction in page one. and it still is.
~Elsa
Yep. What about rask?
fluff. Doesn't take a stance on beeboy vs else/anna. He said else/anna was obvtown before, he doesn't say anything about beeboy? Remember him townreading klingon and alchemist on pretty much no content but beeboy who's been fairly involved I guess wasn't worth saying about.
If I wanted you to self hammer I would have started a real post based on how your 2nd post vaguely resembles a policy lynch which would actually make you mad since town was scum reading you for that. I was just trying to lighten the mood <3 =D You wouldn't self hammer and give me the satisfaction of succeeding which is why I was comfortable having you at L-1.
Let's have a fun game ok?
In post 79, SnarkySnowman wrote:To clarify - lynching me is the same as a no lynch, and night killing me is the same as a no kill. I only claim early because I know I often get mistaken for not town and I wanted to not be a distraction. By the same logic I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to be night killed anyway so
You're unlynchable and unkillable?
Sounds a little overpowered to me.
VOTE: Snarky
I agree wouldn't hurt to try right?
Yes?
1- ok
2- minor. On the surface he agrees with the unvote since he sees else and anna as obvtown. If you actually look at what beeboy said it was that page 4 wasn't indicative (referring to else and anna) and he appears undecided. I think EE isn't really looking at beeboy's posts very closely and this goes with what I said in part 5.
3- doesnt have anything to say about beeboy again despite that beeboy/esleanna interaction actually being fairly substantial at this point in the game. After reading that post what he asks beeboy is to define 'fun'.
4- nothing
5- idk
In post 112, SnarkySnowman wrote:Aristocow - the thing that makes me not so OP is that I'm not counted towards a majority for endgame purposes. I only have a vote / count towards a voting majority.
@Holly - hydra slip or???
Wait...so your body counts vote votes needed,but your vote doesn't?
Is this only in endgame or is it always??
Holly Suga, you guys need an Avatar.
Also, I didn't see a town slip, and pointing it out yourself makes it not indicative anymore.
Also also, Pip is Itlepip.
- Ari
Yeah you're a very solid NULL. Please think more town thoughts, thanks!
In post 115, SnarkySnowman wrote:As in, scum's wincon is usually something like "you win when you make up half of the living players" or someshit, I don't count. So if there's 3 town including me, and 2 scum, scum win right there.
I guess that makes it a little less exciting, but still we have conftown, right?
In post 115, SnarkySnowman wrote:As in, scum's wincon is usually something like "you win when you make up half of the living players" or someshit, I don't count. So if there's 3 town including me, and 2 scum, scum win right there.
For the record,
That
is something to claim outright.
In the case of a Bullet and Lynch Proof role, I'd claim the latter,nnot the for, in the hopes of drawing an NK.
This is pretty much conftown. I'm good with this!
I find myself just agreeing or disagreeing with your posts but you don't have any feelings and I really don't like it.
In post 119, AristoCow wrote:Wow, rereading that it's obviously about hydra slipping. I feel dumb now.
I still found little content in this iso thus far. VOTE: Holla at yo Suga Momma!
Like this. Why would you do this? What do you even want here? I don't get it. :/
In post 128, A Real Scourge wrote:iraon, is that 'calling themselves obvtown' thing just neutral in your consideration for Elsa and Anna as scum, or is it part of your read?
Good question. I feel better about you than other people here *sideways glance at kel and rask*
For trying to vote an Unlynchable claim and wasting his vote like that.
Not a bad vote. Glad you're probably town, too!
1- solid null on aristo, interesting
2- meh
3 and 4- I think he's wrong on aristo not having 'feelings' as he did vote people and was involved but I can't draw any conclusion here or see this as AI
5- meh, worth noting its yet another townread though this one's not exaggerated
6- you think beeboy is a good vote but didn't have any personal interest in him and didn't ask him anything substantial when you've quoted him several times. ok
I see little critical thought within his quote amalgamation. He votes kelbris because his reaction to the mason claim and because he reminds him of himself as scum, he doesn't like me for a few tells he doesn't go into detail on as well as my view on the claims being different from his, and he doesn't like iraon for questioning the BP/unkillable day 1 claim either. He hands out ridiculous townreads 2 of which are on people with barely any content but he makes it sound like they're really strong. I wouldn't have any problem if he said he found kelbris or me suspicious but I think he's way too convinced (131), similarly if he said his townreads were weak rather than exaggerating most of them. I don't see any town paranoia in how he's approaching his reads and I thought his approach in doing his quote-by-quote on the game was weird since he seemed to have his opinions already decided before he begun. With all that said most of these esp. the shallow thinking would also apply to a VI so I want to hear his response and his explanations for why at this early point he's so convinced about so much.
p.s. I'm never doing this again it took FOREVER
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:49 am
by Raskolnikov
I really just can't believe someone could actually read the game and genuinely come out with the perspective expressed in 130
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:12 am
by kelbris
When I unvoted "because people did not like my vote". It was not because I messed up, I honestly believed that people would have reacted differently then what they did. In a previous game where a D1 claim with no reasoning occurred, a lot of players actually found it quite suspicious/annoying because. I simply took that idea and ran with it here, I unvoted when I realized that no-one else agreed on the subject in this game.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:33 am
by Holly and Sugar
Why did other people not reacting like you wanted to change your reads?
VOTE: Kelbris
-pip
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:37 am
by A Real Scourge
Rask, i have a few thoughts on your big ol quote post, but i'll wait for Eagle to respond to ya first.
kelbris your last few posts have been explaining yourself. how do you feel about other players voting you for all this? how do you feel about other players in general?
preview: pip i don't think they changed his reads, i think he re-use of a tell that appeared to be popular in a game he played is not alignment indicative, at worst, and townie at best.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:38 am
by Holly and Sugar
Using the tell is null to townie, redacting the read because other people didn't like it is scummy.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:39 am
by A Real Scourge
like, i see it as him pushing something (because pushing something is always good early day 1), and then, after seeing the reaction, realizing that it wouldn't bear fruit. i'd like for him to talk more about other players, though!
i mean, scum don't want to say 'i changed my reads because they were unpopular', that's a death sentence, and scum like to have a reason for it. plus, i don't think that's what he was doing. does that make sense, or am i going too far into 'too scummy to be scum' territory?
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:40 am
by Elsa and Anna
Beeboy's vote on me really feels like it was testing the waters to see if he could get something on me then backing off when he couldn't.
Need more votes here.
Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:43 am
by beeboy
In post 148, Elsa and Anna wrote:Beeboy's vote on me really feels like it was testing the waters to see if he could get something on me then backing off when he couldn't.
Need more votes here.
Your meta is you do stupid things when town scum read you for reasons you don't like. You wouldn't self hammer because I was trolling.
Do you really think as scum I would be trying to get players to self hammer? No one as scum would want that much unneeded attention.