Mini 293: RE4 Mafia (Over)

[mikeburnfire]

You all awaken. Nobody has died.

With 5 alive it will take 3 to lynch. Day 5 starts now.

[Vyolynce]

Hmm. So much for that idea.

Now

what do we do?

[Sotty7]

I think with metagaming in mind, we should lynch AniX. But it's really all just guess work now and it's a weak hunch at best.

I hate cults.

[Quig]

I think that lynching Llyod might work since then there will be no possible violence. Therefore,

Vote: Lloyd

[Vyolynce]

I think that lynching Llyod might work since then there will be no possible violence. Therefore,

Vote: Lloyd

Certainly an interesting hypothesis...

Unfortunately, I don't think that's the way to go just yet. Losing Lloyd will only make the game go longer if the "non violence" thing doesn't pan out, as we'd basically be stuck with four vanilla roles trying to figure out which one(s) needs to go without having any real information -- starting over at Day One, in some ways. That doesn't sound like something I want to put up with at this point, but we're really not too far removed from that situation right now, either.

I'm curious to hear more about why Sotty thinks AniX should go, though. She said it was a weak hunch at best, but there aren't a lot of discussion points right now.

Throw me in on the "I hate cults" bandwagon, though.

[Quig]

Unvote: Lloyd

. You have a good point there. Maybe Llyod we should vote for people who aren't clean. So far I know I am not part of the cult and I believe Lloyd isn't part of the cult as he would proberley lose his vigilante power. Now that leaves Sotty7, Vyolynce and Anix. I believe Vyolyne at the moment so think we should

Vote: Anix

and Lloyd kill Sotty7 tonight. Then we can Lynch Vyolyne. Unless Lloyd is a serial killer.

[Sotty7]

I suggest AniX for vigging because he's a likely night one recruit for BM, but I base that on other games and the way the two interact. Of course it's a shoddy reason and completely WIFOM so I'm open to other suggestions.

So yeah....it's real weak and even thinking about it, wouldn't BM pick a less obvious recruit? Basically I'm at a loss. Quig's idea of lynching Anix and killing me is fine by me seeing as we might win once we lynch Anix. The only thing that makes me uneasy about the suggestion is that Quig wants to get rid of two possible townies leaving the town in a bad position tomorrow.

If we put Lloyd to one side it's between AniX, Vyolynce and myself, seeing as Quig cannot be recruited. So if we work down that list we should win. Unless Lloyd has be recruited AND can keep his vig powers...that would suck.

I feel like lynching Vyolynce first though, for old times sake...

[Vyolynce]

seeing as Quig cannot be recruited.

Holy crap, I forgot all about that.

Something else I forgot about: did we still want to test my claim? If so, we'll need a volunteer to take the hit...

[Sotty7]

Something else I forgot about: did we still want to test my claim? If so, we'll need a volunteer to take the hit...

We don't really need to test your claim I don't think. Just need to find the cult

[Vyolynce]

Right, that's what I was thinking too; just wanted to make sure.

Then I guess the only question left is whether or not we think there's a chance that Lloyd might be SK instead of vig and/or if he could still kill after being recruited.

If not then we should just get this over with.

[Lloyd]

seeing as Quig cannot be recruited.

Holy crap, I forgot all about that.

We haven't discussed the possibility of:

Quig's role is recruitable. Not only that, BrianMcQueso recruited Akonos / Quig on Nights 1 or 2.

[Sotty7]

It would make sense that Quig's role would be immune to recruitment. I say we work down the list of three: AniX, Vyolynce and myself

Vote: AniX

[Lloyd]

After AniX and Vyolence, why would you want us to eliminate yourself next (as opposed to going after Quig or I)?

[Sotty7]

If we put Lloyd to one side it's between AniX, Vyolynce and myself, seeing as Quig cannot be recruited. So if we work down that list we should win. Unless Lloyd has be recruited AND can keep his vig powers...that would suck.

I feel like lynching Vyolynce first though, for old times sake...

Here is my reasoning. I know there is a chance that I could have been recruited even though I

know

wasn't. Just because I know my innocence I don't expect anyone else to, that's why I am included on the list.

I think Quig is immune and you were acting too scummy to be a likely recruit in the first two days. Plus you still have your vig powers, I'd think if you were now cult they would have been stripped from you. Unless your actually an SK like I said before.

[Lloyd]

mikeburnfire,

Can you give AniX a prod? Thanks.

AniX,

Do you have anything to say for yourself?

You haven't posted here since post 195 on Monday, March 27th, but you have actively posted on other parts of mafiascum.net.

[mikeburnfire]

Day 5 - Vote count, Powered by the Count-Counter 2000

AniX- 2 (Quig, Sotty7)
Not voting (3): AniX, Lloyd, Vyolynce
3 to lynch.

AniX has been prodded

[Lloyd]

I believe Lloyd isn't part of the cult as he would proberley lose his vigilante power

Unless Lloyd has be recruited AND can keep his vig powers...that would suck.

Plus you still have your vig powers, I'd think if you were now cult they would have been stripped from you.

What made the two of you hypotheize that cult members would lose powers?

Could you elaborate?

Thanks in advance.

[Sotty7]

Mainly though other games I've read. Mainly because it would over power the cult. I guess it can't be completely out of the question and it's never good to try and out guess the mod.

Are you trying to suggest that you are in fact culted?

[Lloyd]

I am not in a cult. I am still a pro-town vigilante.

I was re-reading Luis Sera's entry in Wikipedia. It says that Luis Sera was implanted with a Plaga parasite, until Ada Wong saved him.

I also noticed that you and Quig came to the same hypotheses about cult members possibly losing powers. I was thinking bout the possibility that you and Quig are in a cult.

[Lloyd]

Mainly though other games I've read.

Could you provide names and links to the other games that you've read?

I'd like to read them, to find out how those games end.

[Vyolynce]

Then I guess the only question left is whether or not we think there's a chance that Lloyd might be SK instead of vig and/or if he could still kill after being recruited.

Nobody cares whether or not Lloyd is really an SK? Or do the rest of you just not think that this could be the case?

It occurs to me that we really don't really know if there actually

are

any cultists running around. Yes, the assumption is that BMQ's recruitment attempts had to have been successful at least once, but what if he wasn't? He could have tried to recruit Akonas/Quig (I support the theory that he is immune), Kelly Chen, or Glork on those nights, or even someone protected by Quig (Lloyd and Sotty on nights one and two, respectively, but not on the reciprocal cases). There's no guarantee that an attempted mafia rectuitment would result in his death; it could just come up as a failure (and he'd know who the scum are).

In that case, lynching Lloyd might be what we have to do. I know I argued against it earlier, but unless Sotty's really putting herself -- and any potential cult-mates! -- on the line with her "AniX, Vyolynce, Sotty" game plan I really don't see another choice. I had forgotten that Quig was in all liklihood immune to recruitment when I put forth my "back to Day One" argument earlier (204). With Quig assumed clean, we should have the information we need to either put this one away or at least reduce it to a 1:1 draw.

vote: Lloyd

[Lloyd]

Or do the rest of you just not think that this could be the case?

I'm not a serial killer.

To re-iterate reasons that you and Sotty7 wrote earlier:

Post 108 by Vyolynce - "if I were to put an SK in this game, the MO would be chainsaw."

Post 163 by Sotty7 - "I'm also starting to think that an SK may be out of the question here seeing as we have two groups of bad guys already."

I don't think we have a serial killer. Otherwise, you (Doctor) or I (Vigilante) would be dead by now, and there would have been more kills.

He could have tried to recruit Akonas/Quig (I support the theory that he is immune), Kelly Chen, or Glork on those nights, or even someone protected by Quig (Lloyd and Sotty on nights one and two, respectively, but not on the reciprocal cases). There's no guarantee that an attempted mafia rectuitment would result in his death; it could just come up as a failure (and he'd know who the scum are).

If BrianMcQueso knew Glork was a scum, I think he would have hinted at an informational role to get Glork lynched, and gain our confidence.

Instead, BrianMcQueso casted the 5th vote on DeadRikimaru.

reduce it to a 1:1 draw

A 1:1 draw would probably result in a loss for us. In other games, cults typically win by controlling 50% or more of the town.

vote: Lloyd

By accusing me now, and voting for me...I am 90% eliminating the possibilty that you and AniX are in the same cult.

Something else I forgot about: did we still want to test my claim? If so, we'll need a volunteer to take the hit...

We don't really need to test your claim I don't think. Just need to find the cult

Vyolynce, I would like to test your doctor claim tonight. Who will you be protecting?

[Vyolynce]

Vyolynce, I would like to test your doctor claim tonight. Who will you be protecting?

That would depend on who we lynch today, if anyone.

[Lloyd]

My gut feeling based on AniX's posts in non-mafia games...

It seems like AniX would be more likely than anyone else remaining, to keep this game stalled as a cult member, while actively posting elsewhere...

AniX, did you receive mikeburnfire's prod yet?

Scully sighting!

Scully sighting!

...maybe it'll draw AniX's attention to post here

[Vyolynce]

Holy bump past locked threads, Batman!

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