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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 am

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chihuahua0 - 1 - (Tasky) (L-6)
Mindgamer - 1 - (Lemon) (L-6)
Lemon - 1 - (MagnaofIlusion) (L-6)
nopointinactingup - 1 - (Equinox) (L-6)
AClockworkMelon - 1 - (chihuahua0) (L-6)
youngminii - 1 - (RetroAudio) (L-6)
Tasky - 1 - (Untrod Tripod) (L-6)
MagnaofIlusion - 1 - (youngminii) (L-6)

Not Voting: Mindgamer, AWA, nopointinactingup, 
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:57 am

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Mindgamer wrote:Unfortunately, I can't say hello to my role PM because I don't have it.
Zang, could I get my role PM please?
Might want to PM the mod.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:00 pm

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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:16 pm

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Lemon, can we "hate" on you for the irony of your interesting language choices in that last post in conjunction with your criticism of Zang's spelling? 8-)
H8ers gonna h8!

I feel like forming a bandwagon on someone. I see hate... I mean eight candidates in the votecount.

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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:01 pm

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Mindgamer wrote:/confirm
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Lemon, can we "hate" on you for the irony of your interesting language choices in that last post in conjunction with your criticism of Zang's spelling? 8-)
H8ers gonna h8!

I feel like forming a bandwagon on someone. I see hate... I mean eight candidates in the votecount.

Vote: Lemon


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UNVOTE: chihuahua0
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for trying to form bandwagons
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:20 pm

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ok, uh, I was kind of kidding about voting for Tasky before, but I think the "bandwaggon-starters-are-evil" approach is kind of aggressive so I'm gonna keep my vote where it is. Not because I think it's scummy, exactly, but aggressive voting kind of rubs me the wrong way
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:28 pm

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What about aggressive voting rubs you the wrong way? This is only my first non-newb game, but I thought putting pressure on someone, perhaps through voting, was a good way to find scum.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:33 pm

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I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far. I don't really think it's a scumtell but he might be a liability later in the game where the scum could use his happy-go-lucky voting sprees.

That said, if he is scum, he sure is bad.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:51 pm

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It's just that, in my experience, it's bad to have someone who votes aggressively, because they're likely to really latch onto a target and ignore scumtells from other people. How do I know? That's exactly the way I used to play. I'd like to say _explicitly_ that I don't think aggressive voting is scumtell so I'm not accusing him of being mafia (though it could be SK or something). I'm just saying it rubs me the wrong way.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:52 pm

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youngminii wrote:I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:54 pm

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vote:Tashy


How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:09 pm

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Untrod Tripod wrote:It's just that, in my experience, it's bad to have someone who votes aggressively, because they're likely to really latch onto a target and ignore scumtells from other people. How do I know? That's exactly the way I used to play. I'd like to say _explicitly_ that I don't think aggressive voting is scumtell so I'm not accusing him of being mafia (though it could be SK or something). I'm just saying it rubs me the wrong way.
well... quite the opposite; voting aggressively helps getting a discussion started, helps wake people up a little... I always found it an useful tactic in the early game when there is just little information available...

"they're likely to really latch onto a target and ignore scumtells from other people"
well... actually this is just the opposite from what's happening, I try to jump loosely from one player to the next, as youngminii correctly wrote: "it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets"
youngminii wrote:I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far. I don't really think it's a scumtell but he
might be a liability later in the game where the scum could use his happy-go-lucky voting sprees.
look, as I told the switchy-vote-thing is a technique for the early game, from a certain point onwards, when a discussions is forming/has formed it's no longer necessary
but even if used later in the game, how exactly is the mafia supposed to use it? by starting a bandwagon from it, just so I can change target soon after? or by accusing me to be scum try to have me lynched, but by then you know already that it's just my playing style so that won't work out either?
so your argument doesn't work that well you claim it to...
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:13 pm

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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:14 pm

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The town works best if it's composed of coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:16 pm

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AClockworkMelon wrote:
youngminii wrote:I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far.
one more thing: why are you, AClockworkMelon quoting youngminii's sentence without saying anything? would you mind expressing an opinion?

nopointinactingup wrote:How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
it definitely isn't in this phase of the game... was just looking for a "reason" to cast a random vote

but
I do belive that bandwagoning is more the thing a mafioso does when game progresses, since then, losing the option of hiding behind randomness and initial disinformation, he has to do something... and the last remaining thing (except lurking...) which does not imply own, new, fresh thoughts is bandwagoning
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:18 pm

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AClockworkMelon wrote:The town works best if it's composed of coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows.
so which strategy would you suggest in the early game for scumhunting?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:20 pm

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nopointinactingup wrote: How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
I think it's a scumtell if a person is the 3rd or 4th person to vote. However, hammering is a towntell (according to the wiki and second-hand accounts).

AClockworkMelon wrote:The town works best if it's composed of coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows.
Sorry :(
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:21 pm

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chihuahua0 wrote:
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UNVOTE:
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Vote, now.
Are you high?
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nopointinactingup wrote:How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
it definitely isn't in this phase of the game... was just looking for a "reason" to cast a random vote

but
I do belive that bandwagoning is more the thing a mafioso does when game progresses, since then, losing the option of hiding behind randomness and initial disinformation, he has to do something... and the last remaining thing (except lurking...) which does not imply own, new, fresh thoughts is bandwagoning
You're forgetting that scums work as a team, "coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows."
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:25 pm

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nopointinactingup wrote:
chihuahua0 wrote:
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: nopointinactingup

Vote, now.
Are you high?

I'm too young to be high.

Tasky wrote:
nopointinactingup wrote:How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
it definitely isn't in this phase of the game... was just looking for a "reason" to cast a random vote

but
I do belive that bandwagoning is more the thing a mafioso does when game progresses, since then, losing the option of hiding behind randomness and initial disinformation, he has to do something... and the last remaining thing (except lurking...) which does not imply own, new, fresh thoughts is bandwagoning
You're forgetting that scums work as a team, "coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows."
Good point. But are you suggesting that the town should act like a mob?
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:26 pm

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Tasky wrote:
nopointinactingup wrote:How is bandwagoning a scumtell?
it definitely isn't in this phase of the game... was just looking for a "reason" to cast a random vote

but
I do belive that bandwagoning is more the thing a mafioso does when game progresses, since then, losing the option of hiding behind randomness and initial disinformation, he has to do something... and the last remaining thing (except lurking...) which does not imply own, new, fresh thoughts is bandwagoning
You're forgetting that scums work as a team, "coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows."[/quote]
I don't quite understand the relationship between my post you quoted and your statement (I agree, btw)
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:26 pm

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damn... something went wrong with the quoting... I wanted to quote nopointinactingup
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:32 pm

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I think scum are pretty disorganised in the early stages of the game (ie. Day 1). Whenever I've been mafia, I always try and put myself in the shoes of a townie and play completely randomly at the start. This is to minimize suspicion for myself and other scum if one of us were to be lynched and to hide any sort of teamwork in general. Besides, RVS almost always tends to lynch a townie anyway.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:35 pm

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Tasky wrote:why are you, AClockworkMelon quoting youngminii's sentence without saying anything? would you mind expressing an opinion?
I did. Pretend I had said exactly what I quoted. That's my opinion.
Tasky wrote:so which strategy would you suggest in the early game for scumhunting?
In my first game on this site town pulled out a win and they did it without maddeningly switching votes every other post. Indecisive voting is scummy.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:38 pm

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Ok, Tasky, I'm digging your reasoning. I'm not sure you totally understood what I was saying about aggressive voting, though.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:45 pm

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AClockworkMelon wrote:In my first game on this site town pulled out a win and they did it without maddeningly switching votes every other post. Indecisive voting is scummy.
I think he's just saying that at the beginning of the game it can sometimes be helpful to cast a lot of different lines to gauge reactions. If you do it after day 1, yeah, it's scumtastic, but in the beginning of day 1, it's a legit tactic for town or scum. Although I do think that you throwing suspicion at him is a little suspect.

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