Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[MonkeyMan576]

My guess of why Sens asked replacement is because of Star.

Were there any games you've played with D1 miller claims or have discussed miller strategy and stuff before?

I'm sure there have been games where I've played with millers, as I've played in a large number of games, but I don't recall any specific conversations about miller strategy.

[Papa Zito]

SensFan has requested replacement! First on the list for coming in is... Hasdgfas! PMing him now!

Well there goes my policy lynch vote.

vote: Pom

I'm going to have to get you lynched eventually anyway.

[Papa Zito]

This game needs moar votecount!

This sentence is false.

The First Vote Count (aka the "Completely Unofficial Vote Count")

1. Nhammen (0) -
2. Pomegranate (1) - Papa Zito
3. Monkeyman (0) -
4. SpyreX (3) - Starbuck, Sensfan, Diacria
5. Kunkstar (0) -
6. Papa Zito (0) -
8. ZazieR (2) - ortolan, Nikanor
9. SensFan (1) - MonkeyMan576
10. Zang (0) -
11. Manho (0) -
12. Cuttlefish (alt) (0) -
13. The Mask (alt) (3) - kunkstar7, animorpherv1, manho
14. Ani (0) -
15. Diacria (alt) (1) - SpyreX
16. RisingPhoenix (0) -
17. Ortolan (1) - Zang
18. Starbuck (0) -
20. Niv (1) - Niv

Not voting (5) - Nhammen, Pomegranate, Zazier, The Mask, RisingPhoenix

Votes to lynch: 10

[dramonic]

Votecount 1: Relax Papa!

The Mask (3): kunkstar, Ani, manho
SpyreX (2): Starbuck, Cow, Diacria
ZazieR (2): Cuttlefish, Ortolan
Cow (2): Niv, Monkeyman
Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Diacria (1): SpyreX
Ortolan (1): Zang

Not Voting (5): Nhammen, Pomegranate, ZazieR, The Mask, RisingPheonix

Cow replaces Sensfan, effective now!

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!

[Papa Zito]

Wait.

I seem to fail at votecount.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[ortolan]

FoS: Papa Zito

for that votecount

[MonkeyMan576]

@Cow: Anything to say about SensFan?

[ortolan]

SpyreX is very likely town, so is SensFan, I know he takes silly policy positions like that as town.

FoS: MonkeyMan

also

[Niv]

To be clear, if Spy really is a Miller, claiming was 100% correct.
He still needs to go. It's just way too convinient a claim for Scum to be able to dodge Cops all game long.

Bloody hell. do people not get this thing called

ANALYSIS

?????

Ignore the damn claim. if the aforementioned player reads as scum, you vote, if they read as town, do not vote.

In other news, Claimed millers are great Vig Fodder

In other news, i like my random vote.

So you admit to taking a double position...and you don't seem very interested in backing up your statement.

Vote: SensFan

Actually: well: he denied the double position, but it didn't help, as the post was clearly plyig both sides.

Let's say you got the role "You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."

a) Is it correct to claim ASAP?
b) Is it correct for the Town to lynch you ASAP?

Please try to think before posting in the future, and not jump to stupid conclusions.

This has no relation to millers. millers are NOT out right anti-town. this CLEARLY is. although, I advocate this role being Viged if at all possible

I'm going to interject into MM/Sens's convoersation to say. PGO should claim, but they don't need to get lynched right away.

WHAT?!?!?!

Care for a reason?

Why FoS, No vote.

I thought he was suspicious, not necessarily scum, as I said in the post.

You don't vote for suspicious people?

This.

SensFan has requested replacement! First on the list for coming in is... Hasdgfas! PMing him now!

Your F***ing Kidding me..... Has, I feel sorry for you.

You don't vote for suspicious people?

Sure, but if I voted for everyone I thought was suspicious I'd probably be accused of wagon hopping. Thus, FOS can be used tactically for a variety of good reasons.

Why do you care about what other people think?
And I can't see the difference in situation between where you FOSed Spy and VOTED Sens. Not to mention that was your first post (I think) in the game.

Fos Diacria

I don't see any rule where your first post has to be a vote rather than an FOS. Spy didn't rise to the level of a vote imho and Sens did(him asking for a replacement only reaffirms my suspicions).

No. this is not right. and if it is, I'd be VERY ashamed of Sens.

SpyreX is very likely town, so is SensFan, I know he takes silly policy positions like that as town.

FoS: MonkeyMan

also

Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.

[The Mask]

Niv never self-voted.

Vote: Papa Zito

, for his attempts at mass confusion.

Wow. Gee, thanks, guys...

Why hasn't anyone said, "you are welcomed," yet? Have some courtesy, people.

Vote: The Mask.

Only scum need masks.

And...superheroes? With the exclusion of, say, Superman and the likes, of course.

"You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."

This...is not even remotely close to the role of miller. Very different situations.

I like how ortolan is thinking, so far. It's just...such a shame that he is actually scum trying to look town.

[ortolan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mh-Oi1oeoQ

[The Mask]

Well...for whoever is was that asked if I would reveal my main username (no point in wearing a mask, yeah?), here are some fun facts about me:

-I was once mislynched in a game over distrust of my PGO claim.
-I once had the role of Batman. As you should know, he is a superhero

with

a mask.
-I'm facebook friends with the mod.
-I'm the type that prefers tracking millers > lynching them. Although, I would not make a fuss if they were nightkilled.

Alright...those probably were not as fun as advertised. Any which-a-ways...

[ortolan]

Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.

You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.

[manho]

I know that someone, Kublai Khan, has claimed miller as scum and survived through endgame and win.

[manho]

but the miller claim should not be treated as a scum tell for now, and there are roles other than cop that can check his alignment.

[ZazieR]

Vote Ortolan

for obv reasons.

More to follow when I have time

[SpyreX]

Let's say you got the role "You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."

a) Is it correct to claim ASAP?
b) Is it correct for the Town to lynch you ASAP?

Please try to think before posting in the future, and not jump to stupid conclusions.

See, espousing miller lynches as policy isn't necessarily an inherently bad thing. However, this may be the best case of apples != b52 bombers I've ever seen.

It is, in fact, so ridiculous that I'm willing to call this townish. *shock*

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That said this is the first time I've been blessed with a miller role that I knew about at the start of the game - and I would prefer to be the unsure-vig target versus a lynch because its too easy to smokescreen in.

Needless to say, I think I play an alright game in general so maybe I'll just force their hand miller or not.

[Starbuck]

I can't give an answer to that due to ongoing games.


But Sens seems to have formed a hatred of me now, although I have nothing against him.

[Pomegranate]

SensFan has requested replacement! First on the list for coming in is... Hasdgfas! PMing him now!

Well there goes my policy lynch vote.

vote: Pom

I'm going to have to get you lynched eventually anyway.

Oh. Hi then, PZ.

Also, do you have some sort of doublevote, or is the votecount just messed up?

This game needs moar votecount!

This sentence is false.

The First Vote Count (aka the "Completely Unofficial Vote Count")

1. Nhammen (0) -

2. Pomegranate (1) - Papa Zito

3. Monkeyman (0) -
4. SpyreX (3) - Starbuck, Sensfan, Diacria
5. Kunkstar (0) -
6. Papa Zito (0) -
8. ZazieR (2) - ortolan, Nikanor
9. SensFan (1) - MonkeyMan576
10. Zang (0) -
11. Manho (0) -
12. Cuttlefish (alt) (0) -
13. The Mask (alt) (3) - kunkstar7, animorpherv1, manho
14. Ani (0) -
15. Diacria (alt) (1) - SpyreX
16. RisingPhoenix (0) -
17. Ortolan (1) - Zang
18. Starbuck (0) -
20. Niv (1) - Niv

Not voting (5) - Nhammen, Pomegranate, Zazier, The Mask, RisingPhoenix

Votes to lynch: 10

Votecount 1: Relax Papa!

The Mask (3): kunkstar, Ani, manho
SpyreX (2): Starbuck, Cow, Diacria
ZazieR (2): Cuttlefish, Ortolan
Cow (2): Niv, Monkeyman

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

Diacria (1): SpyreX
Ortolan (1): Zang

Not Voting (5): Nhammen, Pomegranate, ZazieR, The Mask, RisingPheonix

Cow replaces Sensfan, effective now!

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!

[Niv]

Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.

You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.

UnVote Cow, Vote ortolan

[Niv]

Why would he have different policy as scum? if it's his policy, and it were different, that'd be a pretty blatant meta.

You're right, he probably doesn't have a different policy as scum. Nevertheless I've seen him do something I know he has a propensity to do as town. If you assume people in this game have a roughly 75% chance of being town right off the bat, and you see a player do something that's not explicitly scummy and is leaning town, then it seems a fair conclusion that they are still "probably" town.

UnVote Cow, Vote ortolan

[hasdgfas]

hello all, I will be reading today. Expect a post with some analysis at some point tonight, when I will get to anything anyone asked me after I replaced in.

[ZazieR]

Ohohohoho, I'm back with my whip and black fluffy handcuffs >:]
Before I start:

I know that someone, Kublai Khan, has claimed miller as scum and survived through endgame and win.

Good times XD
(Psst, he won with some help from me )

So, on to the second part:
Monkey is scum. The whole thingy of him FoSing Spy, then discrediting Sens and then going the 'I do not want to come across as scummy' is enough for me.
Monkey, please state how the claim from Spy makes him look suspicious.

Orto needs to explain how serious those FoSes were.
As for your question:
-I'd have used my black fluffy handcuffs on Ani or RisingPhoenix (You played in The Ocarina of Time mafia from Tarhalindur, right?) if I had a kill as town.
-I'd have used my whip against you, Spy or Papa Z, depending if one of the three isn't scum with me had I been scum.
Question: Why did you ask?

I like how ortolan is thinking, so far. It's just...such a shame that he is actually scum trying to look town.

Do. Elaborate.

[Pomegranate]

We don't lynch SpyreX today.

[The Mask]

What I also find interesting/noteworthy is how 3 players voted for Spyrex, yet only 2 of those votes are being considered.

Zazie, when will you turn on your hyper-gauging mode and begin the Q&A session? I thought you loved to be on the prowl.

re:ortolan: I am unfavoring to those who try to clear others (be it their scumbuddies, or buddying up in general) off of miniscule instances such as Sens' policies. If anything, that whole situation could have served as nothing other than a note, or reminder, in the event Sens' and his replacement do anything further to help them appear as a likely pro-town slot.

Most could hold a personal view that ort' would not step in for his pal so early in the game. However, with us having a night start, it's common for scum (rather, I myself have done this as scum) to subtly give others a reason to speculate on whether they have guaranteed information (a.k.a. night results). This POV is further supported with ort's opening vote over you, Zaz', accompanied by his question of who you would kill N0.

There may be bonafide town-motivation behind it, or someone of any alignment could feign being an investigator. But, what I'm thinking here is that mafia-ort' is setting himself up to look like a role with a night action that has evidence suggesting Zaz' is probscum, which sneaks upon the rest of us an influence to believe that ort' is trustsworthy for a hefty duration of the game's beginnings. When a mind believes something so long, it's hard to shake off later.

Now, anyone curious as to why I am not voting ort' for this theory: well, ort' needs to establish connections to the rest of his team mates so we know who to look into afterwards. That, and, uh...also because I could be wrong.