Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[SpyreX]

Hi my name is DeathNote and I am a millers.

Yeeeehaw.

Vote: Diacria

Your vowel to consonant ratio is off.

[SpyreX]

I'm totally serious about being a miller.

Is that the *sigh* business?

[SpyreX]

Well, it should matter in the long term and especially for night actions BUTTT you spoiled it a bit early - I wanted to see team miller lynch come out.

[SpyreX]

Let's say you got the role "You are a Cursed Townie. Every Night you are alive, 4 random Town people will die. You win with the Town."

a) Is it correct to claim ASAP?
b) Is it correct for the Town to lynch you ASAP?

Please try to think before posting in the future, and not jump to stupid conclusions.

See, espousing miller lynches as policy isn't necessarily an inherently bad thing. However, this may be the best case of apples != b52 bombers I've ever seen.

It is, in fact, so ridiculous that I'm willing to call this townish. *shock*

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That said this is the first time I've been blessed with a miller role that I knew about at the start of the game - and I would prefer to be the unsure-vig target versus a lynch because its too easy to smokescreen in.

Needless to say, I think I play an alright game in general so maybe I'll just force their hand miller or not.

[SpyreX]

*shock* I think I could get behind the monkey train - especially for post 89.

However, and lets make this real clear now: I'd rather be the lynch (or the shot in the near future) if I start seeing the miller vision kick in. Dia flag up in the house.

Manho's 88 makes me a little itchy but its not at a point I can pin it down yet. Especially with the 87 backbreaker.

If the site wants to cooperate I'll post more in the morn'

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Zazier

I think I see where this is going and I approve.

HOWEVER, 137 again deserves to be noted for "bullets go here"

[SpyreX]

Ani might also need bullets.

I'm stuck in a scum sandwich!

[SpyreX]

Paranoia theory: Ort and Zaz are town and thats why monkey has to "think ahead".

[SpyreX]

....

So, are you permanently stumped?

*sigh* Regardless I think this is a town move but I'm real sad at how much you elaborated (a vote manipulator would have been a nice nk draw)

[SpyreX]

Yea this needs to happen. Gogospeed lynch.

I disagree with PZ that ort needs to claim anything more than he has at this point.

[SpyreX]

For now, let them wonder - if Zaz isn't scum then it can be reassessed.

[SpyreX]

Even knowing I was wrong this time, the way that went down I'd do it every time.

Unvote, Vote: Orto

And Vanilla Dram? Really?

[SpyreX]

Ani's a decent next lynch.

If IF ort is somehow mystically town I throw my hands up in disgust at this game.

[SpyreX]

Care to explain why your second line changed so drastically in your doublepost above?

You do that maybe I'll give you a reason.

[SpyreX]

Ok, lets assume that done be the case: what makes Zito ort's buddy there?

(note: both zito's post AND nhammens post on that page are solid avenues that better not get swept under the rug come tomorrow)

[SpyreX]

Ani I swear to god did you just claim.

FFFFFFFFFF

[SpyreX]

Ohhh god thats right I tend to wash those pages from the brain.

Why on EARTH would you investigate me? I claimed miller so even if I WAS scum no way in hell would I be performing a kill.

[SpyreX]

Cuttley-wuttley:

With the whole way that played out yesterday AND zaz being a cop it would be an ok 1-1 at worst and at best skating by.

Not to mention the kill flavor, the kill shot on COW ffs and the fact that well, if he's telling the truth (he's not) we get an interesting bit of information down the road on where the other kill went.

[SpyreX]

And the fact the events yesterday that led to this was ohh, Zaz didn't die? That means SK. No way no other factors?

Sigh, I'll give you this - if there's no CC to mason (which I bet there will be) then I'll rethink this. HOWEVER, if he's a scum PR I'd probably put a bullet through you without question.

[SpyreX]

And the flavor argument with the kills overriding is weak at best and doesn't give those warm feelings.

[SpyreX]

Ultimately while I'm not follow the cop master TM the whole way this played out is flabbergasting: Ort shoots zaz but it doesn't take so ort assumes zaz is an SK WHILE zaz investigates ort and doesn't come out with it until its too late AND apparently ani the peeper watched zaz do it.

The more I think of it the less I care about anything else besides that series of interactions: ort played more like a damn cop with a guilty than zaz did off a failed kill. Then, when this wagon starts up just washes his hands of the whole thing.

So, yea, I think I still want ort dead regardless. But, moreso, I'd like players to peep up.

[SpyreX]

Jesus I'm this close to just saying WELP better get rid of that filthy miller.

I dont like this and I still itch all over with the maelstrom of things that had to happen to make this go.

Unvote: Vote nhammen

That tsk, tsk at that wagon while being on it is enough for this.

[SpyreX]

Okay seriously?

vote: Ortolan

When the mod comes in and shoots down your bullshit you know it's time for a lynch okay.

?/????

[SpyreX]

Touche'

Unvote, Vote: Ort

Although I am seriously tinfoil about how stupid yesterday was this somehow being town.

I am also, if that happened, going to be deadweight. Just an fyi.

[SpyreX]

Actually if that votecount is right what in the hell was going on there? I sure as hell dont have a doublevote I know of and don't remember hammering sooo.

I do approve of looking at the VC's kinda because woonelly was that a day.

The Mask (1): kunkstar
ZazieR (8): Ortolan, Papa Zito, Nhammen, Monkeyman, SpyreX, Ani, Manho, Starbuck, The Mask, Zang
Ortolan (2): ZazieR, Niv
Monkeyman (3): Cow, Cuttlefish, Diacria

Not Voting (3): Pomegranate, RisingPheonix

Ortolan (9): PopularTajo, Kunkstar, Manho, Nhammen, Ani, Papa Zito, Pomegranate, SpyreX, Monkeyman, SpyreX
Monkeyman (1): Ortolan
PopularTajo (1): Cuttlefish
Nhammen (1): Diacria

Not Voting (6): Niv, The Mask, Zang, Starbuck

ASSUMING these are right there's something to be said for common denominators on and off the wagons. '

Actually, lets cut the crap:
Nhammen, Monkey, Ani, Zito - There's two scum in there.

Ani's not.
Zito maaybe? With what his role is apparently doing I am a bit hesitant.

Which leaves us with:

Unvote, Vote: Monkey

SUCK THAT OMGUS (or, better yet, dissonance up ins)

[SpyreX]

You are right good sir. 100%

[SpyreX]

Manho was an oversight and he should be there.

I should be there too BUT GUESS WHAT I KNOW WHO I AM BAZAOW.

Monkey needs to dangles.

[SpyreX]

Hoookay

Nice claimin' time btw but lets address the core of this in one fell swoop:

The hell would a name cop do? Are there names that are SCUM?

[SpyreX]

Well, sure, but you get what I'm saying?

Monkey goes: "OMG Papa Zito is FATE!"
We go? "Ohhhkkaayyyy?"

Its not like we'd have any reason for anyone to lie about their name regardless of alignment - so, no, that claim makes zero sense.

Theory: Rolecop who gets the name as part of his information. Scum.

[SpyreX]

Theres. No. Reason. To. Fakeclaim. Your. Name.

None.

Its not like there is a secret master list of THESE DUDES BE SCUM YO.

And none of this changes the reason that monkey got voted in the first place.

This reeks of rolecop but after the first two fabulous days welllll

[SpyreX]

I disagree. I think you're just using a self fufilling prophecy to look for a reason to not believe my claim. I doubt the mod would give me a name cop role if there was no practical use, I'm guessing the scum have a common denominator.

Yea.

Or, its the logic behind your vote. Coupled with an early claim. That doesn't make sense.

One of those.

Give me a compelling reason why there would be any reason for a name cop with the flavor of the players of mafiascum.net ffs and you might have had something.

Instead, like I said, you're a rolecop that additionally gets the name piece and went "ohh thats a confirmable part".

That sure doesn't do any good.

[SpyreX]

@Tajo:

Now, it looks like zito has some kinda mind blowing powers based on the ani/zito mixture. Unless you think they're both lying (which would hurt my brain) there is truth to that part.

So, thinking balance-wise: a scum role that permadestroys town PRs? Oouch.
Now, a town role that can't really be checked out without a huge negative? I could see that.

Mind you part of my Zito is town is either he's faking the same thought patterns I am with D1-2 pretty well OR he's, in fact, town who thought the same shenanigans as I do.

Of that grouping I'd put ani/zito farrr on the townside. The rest of em. Blah.

[SpyreX]

Besides which, I can prove my night action results(all 3 nights so far), so me being Kast shouldn't be what you are questioning.

Prove it. Right now.

I've got a theory and when I'm right he gets hung.

[SpyreX]

Still it seems like for the rest of the game which hurts my head as a SCUM thing - maaaybe SK or third party but still smells town all over.

Like I said - objectively? Not a good town read.
Subjectively? Because of the parallels with the madness I saw, yea. Much stronger.

[SpyreX]

AGAIN:

Prove it. Right now.

I've got a theory and when I'm right he gets hung.

[SpyreX]

Dingle dangle choo choo'

I want more activity here. Especially votes. Sweet, sweet votes.

[SpyreX]

He said valid.

Dingle dangle.

[SpyreX]

Investigated by whom, praytell? Someone really isn't paying attention to the game are they?

Give out your night results and we'll see. I'm betting a pattern.

[SpyreX]

And, again, there's no reason to fakeclaim a name even as scum since well, there's no inherent flavor-bad names in mafiascum.net.

So, you can get roped.

[SpyreX]

What secret konami code do you think there is going to be in a name?

But, sure, give me those reasons to fakeclaim your name. Go ahead.

See, honestly, I dont care about your results all that much. Like I said, I assume you can, in fact, get the name. Along with their role information.

[SpyreX]

Drammy-poo will you just go ahead and prod everyone.

Further, I would like ONE more person to put the damn vote on so we can get this farce moving more.

[SpyreX]

Seriously no. God only knows what other business could be going on with names.

But, lets play this game AGAIN:

What secret konami code do you think there is going to be in a name?

But, sure, give me those reasons to fakeclaim your name. Go ahead.

'

PS VOTES

[SpyreX]

End this. Let thine hammer fall.

I dont even have to ask the questions I was going to ask, which is nice because that was a mixed bag.

[SpyreX]

Oou an empowerer. Booo on what that means for roles.

And, of course, with a named mafia faction that means chances are real, real high that while not confirmed town starbuck and manho aren't possessive mafia.

nhammen or manho are good for me today barring prizes.

Vote: Manho

by a small margin.

[SpyreX]

Mostly it makes sense to give the names of NOT your faction so that if they vocally support you and then you rope you haven't just screwed them all.

As for the other kill I'm not sure yet. Thats the one piece that doesn't add up right.

[SpyreX]

If its one scumgroup (which the more I think about it it damn well could be) we need to hit scum now because I'm betting we have 1 more mislynch floating around before failure.

[SpyreX]

God I reread and with a dead doc yea there's probably only one scumgroup.

Thats NOT good. I'm not gonna mope but to say a town win is an uphill struggle is, well, an understatement.

Even sadder is nothing awesome jumped out at a reread on Monkey - the town clicks are all dead. The only other person there's real interaction with still alive is Starbuck and that's not enough for me to bite on.

So, yea, we need to step up with the talkering.

[SpyreX]

Yea, that was fast. Real, real fast.

I'm not sure I'm bothered by it though.

[SpyreX]

God I'm torn now the more I read. I dont think manho and nhammen are scum together BUT I'm pretty sure one of them is scum fo sho'.

But I don't know. I'm a little demoralized.

[SpyreX]

You know what?

I'm willing to roll with this for more than a few reasons.

Unvote, Vote: Pomegranate

[SpyreX]

Please take a look at Pomegranate in detail ye old faithful town.

468 makes me reaaalllly itchy.

[SpyreX]

No, I meant what I said. 468 is really itchy. Real, real bad.

Separately, I want actual for reals input on Pom.

[SpyreX]

Sup RECK give the quick skinny on Pom in iso.

[SpyreX]

This is really interesting.

Its not guaranteed, but if we lynch Pom AND Pom is scum depending on a few other bits there may be a path to freedom ahead.

I'm not going to spoil it though. If I'm right they get to deal with killing the miller and someone else putting the pieces together OR watching the miller superbomb the game with fabulous prizes.

Yea. Unless ani and PZ pulled a truly magnificent one on me I think a Pom scumflip might be road home.

[SpyreX]

....huh

Well, hells bells. IF Pom is telling the truth the OTHER lynch has to be scum I think or game?

But, I've gotta take that bet.

[SpyreX]

Yo, before you dangle give a top two town/scum.

[SpyreX]

Word.

If anyone lynches before you do this / tomorrow they rope.

[SpyreX]

Damnit she's telling the truth. DAMNIT DAMNIT.

We're still lynching, mind you, but the salivating wolves have me all aflutter.

[SpyreX]

I've got a backup plan if Pom is town (and the last few posts really make me sad and think she's gonna be town but I digress).

I'll freely admit its not near as AWESOME as the other but.

[SpyreX]

Ehhhh not with that claim. It has to go.

And the perfect circle of mysteries around it should shake out SOMETHING.

Totally upfront though - a town flip here is far more of an uphill struggle than a scum one.

[SpyreX]

Yea, no delivery. Hang this. This page.

I expect no less.

[SpyreX]

Yes we can. And will. Or else.

[SpyreX]

If you believe she is telling the truth, and I get the impression you think she might be town, why are we continuing the push for her lynch?

Because it has to happen.

Further, not coughing up the info I asked for is bad news bears.

[SpyreX]

sigh

11 left. Probably 4 scum. Nice thing is:

Manho (2): Mask, Pom
Pom (6): SpyreX, manho, ani, Cuttle, Reck, Kunk, Papa Zito
Zang (1): Nhammen

Not Voting (2): Zang, Starbuck

Probably not more than two on. Even with the game lookin bleak can't risk it.

So, SECRET MATH:
Mask, Zang, Starbuck, Nhammen

Two scum there.

Who, so far, has claimed to have targeted and thus been screwed by Zito? Ani and Mask?

[SpyreX]

I really hope I get to have this arbitrary math discussion again its one of my favorites.

Scum split is normal. Especially with a wagon like that. NOW, when you look at whats leftover if you can straight face tell me at least two of those aren't scum, well.

[SpyreX]

Hell this is an easy one, actually.

Unvote, Vote: Zang

Of those off I'm the most confident in Mask for town.

As for team wagoneers hell, I don't know. The only one, sadly, I'm sold on as town is ani. Zito is close but that could easily be bias + role.

Part of me gets paranoid that manho AND Nhammen are scum what with all the slapfightin'.

[SpyreX]

I was REALLY hoping for a Pom scumflip because I'd have felt a lot better about you mr fishy.

As it sits you've probably got me the most paranoid.

[SpyreX]

I thought about that BUT barring true madness we have one more night. I could go either way on it.

[SpyreX]

Ohh and lets put it forth this way:

If you're even THINKING about "Hey lets lynch the miller claim." DO IT TODAY.

After the awesome I've had this game I wont even fight it. Today.

No way in hell am I going to be a patsy lynch in lylo though. Lynch me or confirm me.

[SpyreX]

spill

You've seen the start of it. The split on the wagon is telling.

Additionally, I think I'm down with Zito's massclaim the more I think about it.

My gut says this demand is scummy. But Spy has been pretty pro-Town all game, so I'll ignore that for now. And there is only one awesome you've had this game so far: the Monkey lynch.

The awesome was sarcasm. I can't even feel good about Monkey because he all but lynched himself. Dynamite fishing isn't tech.

However; how is it scummy? I'm saying if the miller card (TM) is getting pulled pull it today. Period. Or confirm me. I can deal with many things but being a lylo patsy is not my flavor.

So, yea, I think massclaim is awesome.

[SpyreX]

I've been himmin' and hawwin about it and if I'm gonna be the dangler I'd like to at least give my two cents AND I -really- think seeing the pieces laid out might make a few mysteries make more sense.

[SpyreX]

Ani's lost his go-juice.

And you KNOW why I'm waiting. I'm lazy when it comes to megaposts TM and I'm only going to do it if I'm actually taking the rope.

Which based on that very coy business with mr mask looks like may happen.

Zang, manho, reck wouldn't surprise me. I'm still holding onto my ani = town and thus zito = town because that role, from what I've seen, makes my brain hurt as a scum role.

Problem is that still leaves another one and MOST OF THIS GAME just isn't even..trying.

Hell, I'm f-- but at least I go to class.

[SpyreX]

I'm also failing to acknowledge that we lost a townie because it doesn't matter one bit.

I REALLY don't like this cuttle-push.

Kunk, can you do me a fav? Can you:

a.) Find manho jumping on based on his case and
b.) Explain if that is the case why in the HELL you'd vote for xReck of manho?

[SpyreX]

Yea - we're getting forest and trees issues here in saying the same thing.

IF that is the case, and it sure as hell looks like it, that -probably- would be where I'd done vote over Zang maaaybe.

b.) Is a HUGE issue because this miller-gate needs to be resolved AND we've got apathy walls AND that single piece alone may easily make manho a better lynch.

Unvote

I think it may be that massclaim time for reals though.

[SpyreX]

The amount of dead in here is disgusting.

Lets do the massclaim. Make it happen zeeets

[SpyreX]

These last two posts my god.

[SpyreX]

Yea can we get a prodddd drammykins

[SpyreX]

Come on now Zeets we had a scum all but out themselves and its not reck. Look closer. Its on this page!

BUT we must finish this process.

[SpyreX]

Thats killin' me how long this is taking BUT someone opted to say hay I'm scums sooo

[SpyreX]

I still dont feel bad about Pom one bit.

Lets not get derailed we need to get this finished and THEN I'll probably join you on a fantastic voyage.

[SpyreX]

GAMMMEEEE GOD

Why is this so hard. WHY

[SpyreX]

Dram I hate to be that guy but a round of prods again

[SpyreX]

Awesome. Manho go

[SpyreX]

I pre-emptively stole his corn because he didn't corn

[SpyreX]

GOD this is like pulling teeth.

Nhammen, go and then pick the next broseph

[SpyreX]

Yes to hell with order get this done fFFFfff

[SpyreX]

Yea apparently I'm a space cadet as well and REALLY don't remember a Mask claim, much less the full dealio.

Regardless

Unvote, Vote: manho

Page 26 holds the I am scum nugget AND pretty much gives us a clear sooo

[SpyreX]

If you read all of page 26 and have been paying any attention to this game even drunk and can tell me WHY I'm voting for manho and WHY that should be second fiddle....

sure.

Because you can't.

[SpyreX]

Hrmmm yea then not better than manho.

BTW where did Zito claim destroyer of worlds originally?

[SpyreX]

What the eff! Flavor is not important?

EVen though that is part of how we caught Monkey?

I would yell at you some more, but

Uhhhhhhhhh

[SpyreX]

Hahahahahahaha I'm retarded and while I still want manho lynched my reasoning isn't right. I swear monkey flipped rolecop but sure as hell he didn't.

I officially have lost my brain.

Unvote

So, who is for lynching?

[SpyreX]

Thats ok with me being a smart all of a sudden. Manho might not be scum and cuttle just might be playing at slappywags.

Further, while there's obviously more scum in the VT's I'm interested in the other side too; since, of course, that many chuckleheads targeting you doesn't make sense.

Starbuck-scum only makes sense if you're scum BUT then targetting you losing the ability makes NO sense. So, starbuck is town.
Ani, due to the awesome play, irritates me but that D1 adventure still smells town.

That leaves Cuttle and Mask, both of which after my shocking internal revelation could make sense. Mask slightly more.

The entire group of VT's drive me nuts. Part of me wants to gamble hard and lynch one of the two space cadets and either way modkill the other. IF, IF both were scum we're in a better spot but that would be a good thing and that hasn't been this games motif sooo

[SpyreX]

OHH SNAP HE IS A ROLECOP GAME BACK ON

Unvote, Vote: Manho

Cuttlefish is scum why? Because he's a rolecop. You know, the role we already had flip.

[SpyreX]

ISO is back muhahahahahaha

Why, if a rolecop flipped, would you jump to cuttlefish lying?

[SpyreX]

I really need to find the nose pinching in angerfusion because I can't parse

[SpyreX]

... you RB'd Zito N2 after knowing that people had been destroyed?

[SpyreX]

Not realizing Zito smashes universes is waaay more than just not reading.

However the paranoia creeps in when the votes come this fast when its so damn hard to get anything else going.

[SpyreX]

FINE

Unvote, Vote: The Mask

[SpyreX]

Damnit damnit damnit. Zito I was REALLY hoping you were gonna use your modkill ffs.

I've gotta believe in ani. I really need to look but I'm STILL really wishing it was manho.

[SpyreX]

Good lord almighty this game.

That kunk drop gives me the itch BUT I can't be too itchy on it considering he RB'd THE MINDKILLER ON D2 AFTER WE KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING.

If its not manho I don't know. Thats probably where I'm droppin bombs. I'm not gonna lie and say I think the chances are good at this point.

If I were to gutswing at the mo it'd be manho, benmage, kunk and ??

[SpyreX]

Semi, yea. The vote gambling and it being on Zito is -better- than most.

[SpyreX]

How you shot gut-web if you didn't read the topic?

I swear to everything holy this game.

[SpyreX]

Thats awesome and ohh so helpful. Yea, its lylo more likely than not.

I'm lookin at it like this now FO SHO:

One of, but not both probably, manho and nhammen are scum.

Thats who is going today.

[SpyreX]

Really?

REALLY?

Unvote, Vote: manho

[SpyreX]

He's doing nothing. While being on the key wagons. And the responses to this my lord.

Add into that still the "Cuttlefish = rolecop" with a flipped rolecop I dont know what to tell you.

ADD TO THAT STILL the fact its been like pulling teeth getting him lynched, well.

[SpyreX]

Good lord get this done.

[SpyreX]

See, thinking there was two groups back in the olden days helped that process.

Regardless, manho's play means I was wrong. He HAS to be scum. Or I don't even know.

[SpyreX]

FFFFFF I dont like this at all.

Although, Reck isn't lynched yet. BUT THAT VOTE MAKES ME UNHAPPY ANI

[SpyreX]

The biggest damn problem is the votes are manho, ANI AND STARBUCK

Which doesn't help anything.

[SpyreX]

Thats the thing Star and Ani are -probably- town and that pair of votes AND it not being power hammered makes this really confusing

[SpyreX]

Ani and Star are voting for you and probably town.

Which means a.) apathy on scum b.) you are scum or c.) this isn't lylo like I thought.

[SpyreX]

I know I'm not happy about this turn of events

[SpyreX]

Yo yo mod a round of prods please.

I'm starting to get REAL itchy because something should have happened and too many people are just not here. Theoretically, unless all the scum are currently voting which makes NO sense there should have been A push somewhere.

This game makes me cry inside

[SpyreX]

God everything about this day makes me mad.

I want to swing to Kunk after that clever ruse but THEN THATS ANOTHER DAY OF NOT DEAD MANHO.

And more people checking in but no lynch is reaaallly freakin me out

[SpyreX]

This game.

At least I was right about my for sure town reads.

I was wrong about everything else. Nhammen AND Manho both town? Jesus

[SpyreX]

Making me a vanilla still BOO ON YOU.