@mod
have the scum had a chance to communicate? Do they know each other’s powers? Also, could you please put your top-of-page votecounts in your colour? Makes them easier to distinguish from the actual post.
Setup thoughts:
Agreed that framer should claim, if by some miracle they are protown. The framer has no conceivable protown use, unless you count confirming that they are indeed the framer. The driver, I disagree on – there are potentially cool uses of a protown driver (certainly late in the game, and probably before).
Vigs should shoot. I think a sensible protown vig has about the same chance as a lynch of hitting scum.
Most town PRs generally help the town more than the corresponding scum PRs hurt us (exceptions – framer, driver probably, roleblocker probably, empowerer). This means that there should be a bias against lynching/shooting people from the top of the list, who are very likely important PRs. Also, if these people are scum, they are more likely to attract crosskills. This doesn’t mean we trust the top of the list; nor does it mean we don’t try to determine their alignment, but if I find Cobalt very scummy, and Dramonic slightly less scummy, I’m going to be wanting to lynch Dramonic.
Unusually, massclaim is much more powerful early in this game than late (as scum won’t know whether or not their fakeclaim has actually been taken – later there will be a supply of fake claims for “vanillas”). If scum don’t know who has what role in their team, immediate massclaim up the list (obviously including attempted draft for vanillas) is going to make life very sticky for obvious scum roles. I’m not sure whether it’s worth it though, particularly with driver/roleblocker/empowerer to screw with us.
SerialClergyman wrote:I dislike Devotress's vote though, and will put my money where my mouth is. I've had a theory for a while that the first person to accuse someone of role fishing is scum. This has been built up over a few games of getting accused of fishing or watchign other townies getting accused of fishing, and it almost always is one of those things that scum feel so unapproachably correct in doing that they jump at the chance.
Vote devotress
I agree with this. Rolefishing is bad. But scum don't rolefish by saying "oh, let's have a massclaim of vanillas" - and I don't think anyone really thinks they do. It's such a standard "scummy thing to do", but I think using crude, blatant rolefishing as a scumtell goes seriously against the facts. I don't believe scums thought processes go "I'll suggest a massclaim of vanillas. People will agree with this very antitown idea. I win!".
@Devotress: seacore suggested that, with the agreement of the town, we out all our PRs. Accepting that this is a terrible idea (if they claim draft attempts, it will out concrete PRs and we may as well massclaim; if not, I see no benefit), what do you think seacore expected to happen next?
vote: Devotress
Let's hope we'll do as well, this time. (unless you're scum 
