Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[TonyMontana]

Whoa. Been a while since I played a large game, don't usually wake up to 5 pages in a new game. -.-

1) There is zero reason for a town player to choose the framer role.

I did pick framer.
Initially. (But changed my pick before spyrex picked up the PM)

And my pro-town reason for picking it was WIFOM. I figured that since i was number 11 in the draft, if I got vanilla, then one of the 10 peoples above me would have picked the framer.
And since there's no pro-town reason to pick framer, that person would be scum as well. Paradoxical, sure. I was basically thinking I'd forsake the opportunity of getting a role, in trade for this piece of information.

Just wanted to state a reason, since i had one (>zero)

[TonyMontana]

<3 Tony, I joined this game just to play with you again.

Been a while. Let's hope we'll do as well, this time. (unless you're scum )

[TonyMontana]

Dramonic for his premature, unprompted vanilla claim.

Considering I'm dead last on the list, should I confirm the existence of a role? (Since it's somewhat obvious I'm vanilla)

This.
It's not obvious that you'd be vanilla, not even close. Out of the 6-7 random draft tests I made pre-game, only one of them used up all the roles in the end. And I would assume that when adding the human element, less roles would be chosen, quite possibly.

[TonyMontana]

TonyMontana sounds like the mouthpiece for a large scum team.

this. nowait

[TonyMontana]

and how does being wrong about framer translate into a vote on me?

[TonyMontana]

I don't think my post-game assessment of you in Moviestar was wrong, dgb. But I'll live through it (hopefully) -.-

Yep. Sounds like the sort of detail a team discusses in a QT, not something a fellow dreams up alone. Same goes for your explanation of why you choose an anti-town role.

vote: Tony Montan

Feh, AFAIK scum didn't even get the chance to chat before the game chatted. And I always do testsetups for kicks.

And at least have the decency to spell out my name.

Just read through the whole thread, and gonna throw

vote:seacore

in the hat.

[TonyMontana]

I disagree with TM's "slip." I too often pull apart novel concepts like this one, I don't think you need to be in a team to do it. You just need a job with too much spare time

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. There's a piece of paper on my office desk that can attest to this :p

[TonyMontana]

Wtf happened. I didn't even see a reason for the elvis wagon getting started, much less for 10 people to pile on.

Good god, this game is running away from me. Going to sleep now, try not to post too much before i wake up, eh?

[TonyMontana]

Good god, this game is running away from me. Going to sleep now, try not to post too much before i wake up, eh?

Your conscience won't sleep a wink unless you vote one of the scumbags on elvis' wagon.

I already am

[TonyMontana]

Dgb is town.

[TonyMontana]

Holy crap people...I shudder to think how far i'm going to fall behind missing a whole weekend.

Skimitry:
So e_K claimed cop...big deal? The scum can have that PR, right?

Cheah i like my vote where it is.

Amongst those 4 fast unvoters is definitely scum.

Someone, i forget who, articulated perfectly why lynching a claimed cop on day 1 in this game is bad.

[TonyMontana]

Boils down to this: We have 3 scum factions. If they don't kill her, we might have an investigation to go with her claim.

[TonyMontana]

The players below are cowards afraid to ride wagons.

Cobalt
devotress
Vaya
budja
TonyMontana
Farside22
Dramonic
Benmage

Please grow some,

Love,

DGB

Not so much afraid, as cautious. In any case, I was happy to join the seacore wagon, I don't understand why everyone fled it.

Also: love

this

*grabs balls*

[TonyMontana]

Unvote
Vote StrangerCoug (L-1)

Claim time.

[TonyMontana]

And here I was thinking "hope i wasnt ninja'd" a second after i submitted ¬¬

[TonyMontana]

Why assume pairs? It's not like scum can coordinate.

[TonyMontana]

Why assume pairs? It's not like scum can coordinate.

or can they

Dun-dun-dun.

(probably not)

[TonyMontana]

Town framer. Who would've thunk it. -.-

Interesting choice of haylen, given her low position in the draft. Vig?

Elvis, results?

[TonyMontana]

tried to vig devotress. I was either blocked or devo was bussed.

Don't forget bulletproof.

Devotress, being 22nd in the draft order, Bulletproof.

Hahahahahhahahahh hahahhah aha hahahhah

DIE SCUM DIE

Plum/haylen, being 21st in the draft order, Empowerer.

<insert laugh here>

[TonyMontana]

And devotress was 20th

[TonyMontana]

Point is, bulletproof is not a highly unlikely get, far down the list.

[TonyMontana]

Actually, I have a strong theoretical reason to believe that it is, which I will not reveal because it would reveal other PRs.

I understand. *touches nose*

I have reason to believe you have no reason, but I'll only reveal it once one of us are dead.

[TonyMontana]

question: when did cobalt claim vig?

[TonyMontana]

Then why did chamber know he was vig?

[TonyMontana]

shut up, tony, for the good of the town.

¬¬

[TonyMontana]

Yeah.. maybe dev did. At 20

[TonyMontana]

Can we get back to the whole vig issue?

[TonyMontana]

I see neither why this needed to be pointed out, nor why an SK couldn't enjoy an extra kill.

[TonyMontana]

at slot 2 there was no chance of getting vig. Cause you picked it.

We are talking hypotheticals, not about the actual (dead) SK

[TonyMontana]

[face_palm] Just realized how chamber could out cobalt. Still don't get why he felt the need to.

[TonyMontana]

chamber should have stopped talking 3 pages ago

Fixed.

[TonyMontana]

LIES! nowait...

[TonyMontana]

vote:devotress

I do not support an elvis lynch. I want more investigations.

[TonyMontana]

I investigated TM because I thought he might have been part of a scum-engineered simulpost quicklynch.

Possible reasons for quicklynch:
1. Honest accident by chamber
2. Co-op between me and chamber
3. Hawk lynch by chamber

I couldn't have engineered the lynch by myself, but chamber could have, so I don't see why you picked me over him.

[TonyMontana]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

BloodCovenent

- 2 - Faraday, budja - (L-8)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-9)

devotress

- 7 - SerialClergyman, DeathNote, Farside22, Cobalt, TonyMontana, Vaya - (L-3)

elvis_knits

- 3 - Xylthixlm, Benmage, Seacore - (L-7)

Faraday

- 1 - drippinggoofball - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - devotress - (L-9)

Vaya

- 1 - elvis_knits - (L-9)

Players not voting: Benmage, chamber, Cruciare, Dramonic, FishytheFish

I investigated TM because I thought he might have been part of a scum-engineered simulpost quicklynch.

Possible reasons for quicklynch:
1. Honest accident by chamber
2. Co-op between me and chamber
3. Hawk lynch by chamber

I couldn't have engineered the lynch by myself, but chamber could have, so I don't see why you picked me over him.

I never voted for Coug, I totaly thought he was town.

Sorry, i mixed up a couple of vote counts.

Replace every instance of "chamber" with "dramonic".

[TonyMontana]

I don't see why scum would bother trying to quicklynch twice on day 1. Doesn't exactly seem like world class strategy.

In any case, there was alot of activity day 1, and I'm not really flabbergasted that a simulpost lynch happened, especially given the nonchalance the bandwagons were treated with.

[TonyMontana]

Vote: DrippingGoofball

DIE SCUM DIE

[TonyMontana]

Bah

vote: DrippingGoofball

[TonyMontana]

vote: Xyl

(L-1)

[TonyMontana]

vote: Xyl

(L-1)

[face_palm]

[TonyMontana]

Where's xyl in this "dgb tries to make scumhunting into a science" scheme?

[TonyMontana]

wow good claim.

do people mind that i'm waiting to hear xyl's rebuttal? (before i hammer)

Day 3 just started, it's a new year, no need to rush it. -.-

[TonyMontana]

Xyl is already blue scum.

Yeah, but it would be interesting to see how the actual confirmed scum looks in this chart of yours.

[TonyMontana]

vote: budja

Scum caught. gj, seacore

[TonyMontana]

I wanna hear from DGB

[TonyMontana]

vote: DGB[/b

Gonna give budja the benefit.]

[TonyMontana]

vote:budja

DGB's claim guarantees a scum between them.

[TonyMontana]

That's good. If DGB were scum, likely she would have lied and claimed townie blocker/jailer, with that visit.

Except if she's Vanilla Mafia, she would risk being counter-claimed.

[TonyMontana]

That's good. If DGB were scum, likely she would have lied and claimed townie blocker/jailer, with that visit.

Except if she's Vanilla Mafia, she would risk being counter-claimed.

[TonyMontana]

Yup Yup

[TonyMontana]

Dont think vigs should announce targets...

[TonyMontana]

As I said I'm a vt and picked bomb. So far no one seems to be saying oh farside your so silly I picked that role not DGB. Therefore I see your claim as a lie.

Oh, Farside, you're so silly.

[TonyMontana]

Also, I think benmage is the only one left, who hasn't claimed.

[TonyMontana]

Ah, that's right. Well, most likely it's not gonna be anything new.

Btw, reading Dramonic in isolation is a short job.

[TonyMontana]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

chamber

- 1 - Seacore - (L-5)

Cruciare

- 2 - Farside22, Cobalt - (L-4)

Players not voting: Benmage, chamber, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, drippinggoofball, TonyMontana

I've already claimed.

AFAIK, you never claimed what you picked.

[TonyMontana]

1.) Cobalt -

Vig

4.) Chamber

Bulletproof

9.) Cruciare -

Vanilla (Bulletproof)

10.) Seacore -

Watcher

11.) TonyMontana -

Bomb

13.) DrippingGoofball -

Vanilla (?)

17.) Farside22 -

Vanilla (Bomb)

18.) Benmage - ?
19.) DeathNote - ?
22.) Dramonic -

Vanilla (?)

[TonyMontana]

even if I were scum, which I am not, I am vanilla, so he'd be dead for lying about my role no matter what, and certainly because of my alignment.

What lie would that be? He only claimed to have tracked you to SC

[TonyMontana]

People!!! Start thinking... please.

Upon my death, you would know that I'm vanilla, so he couldn't have tracked me to anybody at all. So he'd be dead.

Start thinking, yourself. If you're scum, he could have tracked your kill.

[TonyMontana]

Look, your argument that you're town because you're town, DGB.

I'm not saying I believe budja, but you're certainly not cleared.

[TonyMontana]

There's no way that he behaved as if I had targeted the dead player. So you have to KNOW that he was lying about this result.

Are you two getting it now???

All I'm getting is that you insist on being confirmed, when you're not.

[TonyMontana]

And all I'm saying that there's 2 options:

You are Vanilla, budja lied.

You are Scum, and budja tracked you.


Whether or not the last option is probable, is one issue: Just don't deny that it's possible.

[TonyMontana]

NO

But there *are* three options.

You are town, budja lied

You are scum, budja lied

You are scum, budja truth'd

[TonyMontana]

Your explanation is that budja would have acted differently if he had actually seen you target SC.

Well that's solid, ain't it?

There's not even a slight possibility budja could have slow rolled? (disregarding what you know about yourself)

[TonyMontana]

why on earth would you pick framer as town and last on list?

[TonyMontana]

Scum who bussed both his teammates while not bothering to NK the first two nights?

Not bothering to NK first two nights?

[TonyMontana]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

chamber

- 1 - Seacore - (L-5)

Cruciare

- 2 - Farside22, Cobalt - (L-4)

Players not voting: Benmage, chamber, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, drippinggoofball, TonyMontana

DGB, what role did you try and get?

Bulletproof, seeing that I always get NK'd early.

That's why I picked bomb. Thought bomb would be more likely get.

[TonyMontana]

Scum who bussed both his teammates while not bothering to NK the first two nights?

Not bothering to NK first two nights?

Did you try to kill xyl on n2?

[TonyMontana]

This was a triumph.

Loved the draft setup, would love to play it again.

[TonyMontana]

I was expecting the last scum to be someone more unlikely. Like DBG or Cobalt. I just felt we had too much luck, it couldnt keep up :p