Mini 817: Chosen (Game Over!)

[TDC]

As in, if this was poker I'd like to see Papa Zito's hand because I think it's emtpy.

[AshMC1984]

I'm joining the call for PZ to elaborate.

[BloodCovenent]

got home late from a baseball game, will post tomorrow, possibly

[afatchic]

As in, if this was poker I'd like to see Papa Zito's hand because I think it's emtpy.

Psh... I'd raise him at this point.

I think felt a little bit of pressure for not placing the RV during the RVS, so to try to please everyone, he places a vote.

[Nuwen]

I'm holding on to them for the moment. Wouldn't want to tip the unwary.

Keeping your hand hidden early on day 1 is a good pressure technique, even if your case is a bluff. I'm not concerned that Papa Zito is choosing not to explain his vote right now. I

am

concerned that he's leaving the pressure there and not pursuing it further.

[TDC]

You feel pressed?

[TDC]

Also, how could he possibly "pursure this pressure" without explaining his vote?
Post "Why is Nuwen still alive?"?

[Nuwen]

Also, how could he possibly "pursure this pressure" without explaining his vote?
Post "Why is Nuwen still alive?"?

Precisely. And see whether or not someone followed his vote, which no one did.

No, I'm not quaking in my flipflops.

Hohum

- can we get a vote count?

There's only been one vote since my last vote count. and it was a vote by PZ for you.

[TDC]

Can you cite an example where this technique actually worked?

[hohum]

Official Vote Count:

Vote Count
2 Archon: TDC, Nuwen
0 AshMC1984:
1 BloodCovenent: afatchic
0 afatchic:
0 MiteyMouse:
1 Zorblag: BloodCovenent
1 Nuwen: Papa Zito
2 Papa Zito: MiteyMouse, AshMC1984
0 TDC:

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch

[Zorblag]

Disappointed that Zorblag doesn't write in third person in games.

Troll be happier talking like this but Troll knows that some no care for it much. As a rule Troll drops the character when Troll be replacing into games but Troll do be most happy to waive that if those in this game would like Troll to.

Anyways, I have modded Archon. And i guess played with Zorblag if you say so. Sorry, but i don't exactly remember that game. Must have been real brief, as you said.

You replaced into Immunity Mafia for a very short time. I think you posted twice in the game.

Yeah, I stand by that statement. It's the truth. I kinda had a Mafia-meltdown, as I fell behind in too many games, and then asked for replacements for all of them and left, occasionally checking back to see if it was my turn to mod.

Remind me, as I have a bad memory; didn't we have some sort of fight/accusation galore against each other?

I asked if you stood by it as looking at what your post history it seems that it was a month ago that you last played rather than a few months (your last game posts were in the beginning of June) but so be it. Perception of time can be off fairly easily.

I don't think that we particularly clashed in the game we played together. I replaced in fairly late and although I accused you of not providing anything useful you didn't get drawn into that. Others had done the same throughout the game and your focus mostly stayed on those that had done it previously.

Nuwen, you're the only one who hasn't said who they've got experience playing with in the past. I realize that I could look at everyone else's responses and get the information. I could also take a look through all the games everyone has played. I'd still like to have you comment on your own if you don't mind overly.

As for Papa Zito's vote for Nuwen, I don't know what his reasons were but I could pretty easily see myself casting an initial vote on Nuwen for fairly particular (if pretty weak) reasons. It wouldn't be because I was particularly sure she was scum yet but rather because I see a few very minor things that have happened that make her more likely to be scum than what I've seen from others and it would be a place to start. For now I'm interested to see what Papa Zito had in mind and to see if it matches at all. I'd also like to see who Nuwen has played with or modded in the past.

To avoid looking like I'm just trying to follow Papa Zito's lead on Nuwen here's an abbreviation of the first sentence of the reason that I would give if I were voting for Nuwen right now:

T K T N H T T T T L A A P G A S I H V P A T S O G D O H B I O G W H M # W H R A S W K.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Papa Zito]

Troll be happier talking like this but Troll knows that some no care for it much. As a rule Troll drops the character when Troll be replacing into games but Troll do be most happy to waive that if those in this game would like Troll to.

+1 to character posting.

I see a few very minor things that have happened that make her more likely to be scum

Sure, they're minor, but it's early game.

Game seems to be stalling, like everyone's waiting on me or something. So in the interest of getting things moving again:

Nuwen

And by not voting, do you realize that you're neutering one of the most effective tools the town has: vote history. Votes form a discernible pattern that can be used in conjunction to other scum hunting techniques. Players are also held accountable for their votes - no vote, no responsibility, no trail.

This argument is enormously overblown. Random votes are never taken seriously. It's only after we emerge from the RVS and when bandwagons form that votes are taken seriously.

Business as usual.

No opinion on the bandwagon. You know what else leaves no trail? Not posting opinions.

My concern is that you're now abiding by a strict policy, but haven't before.

Again, an overblown argument. People aren't allowed to evolve in their play?

Nuwen votes immediately afterwards for these poor reasons. What's even worse is she doesn't even mention that I also didn't random vote and it's also unusual compared to my past play. To me this says she zoned in on the first person to give her a convenient excuse.

One other thing.

TDC

vote: Archon

First post, TDC votes Archon using Nuwen's argument.

I don't see anything unusual in it.

"Opinion" on my bandwagon. Nuwen mirrors this later, as discussed.

Call.

Another TDC-Nuwen tie. TDC doesn't like that Nuwen has been voted. We should keep these in mind if one of them flips scum.

[TDC]

vote: Archon

First post, TDC votes Archon using Nuwen's argument.

Yes.

I don't see anything unusual in it.

"Opinion" on my bandwagon. Nuwen mirrors this later, as discussed.

Do you disagree? If you think it's unusual, why do you not comment on it?

Call.

Another TDC-Nuwen tie. TDC doesn't like that Nuwen has been voted.

My post clearly references the post directly preceding it (which as you may remember, was several posts of either of us after your vote), in which you fish for other people to give you reasons why you voted her instead of, you know, just saying them yourself.
Why are you singling me out on this? Several people enquired.

We should keep these in mind if one of them flips scum.

Is that the royal we?

[Papa Zito]

Do you disagree? If you think it's unusual, why do you not comment on it?

I both brought attention to it and requested opinions.

Why are you singling me out on this? Several people enquired.

It's another part of the interaction between you two that I find interesting.

Is that the royal we?

lol

[TDC]

Will you grace us with your own opinion on your wagon?

[Papa Zito]

BC's was fine. Mitey's was grey. Ash's was opportunistic.

That's about 100 times more analysis on what's gone on in this game than you've done, btw.

Initial scumlist

Nuwen
TDC
Ash

[TDC]

Well, would be boring if everyone was as good as you at this, right?

[Papa Zito]

Well, would be boring if everyone was as good as you at this, right?

I'm just going to refer you to Rule 1 and be done with this conversation.

[TDC]

Not sure what you mean, I didn't feel insulted by the 100:1 ratio.
Apologies if you read my reply as "disprespectful", though I have no idea how it could be.

[MiteyMouse]

I've been thinking about what Zorblag said and the connections that we all have had to each other before this game. It's very likely that one of us that have played a lot with others in this game are probably not the choosen one. That might narrow it down a bit. As, we want to keep that person alive....having them alive is a big asset to us.

[Nuwen]

I was just kicked out of college and have spent the last few days inside of a bottle, please don't expect much from me right now. I'm sorry.

[MiteyMouse]

I was just kicked out of college and have spent the last few days inside of a bottle, please don't expect much from me right now. I'm sorry.

Oh god...I'm so sorry Nuwen...

[Papa Zito]

I was just kicked out of college and have spent the last few days inside of a bottle, please don't expect much from me right now. I'm sorry.

! Wow, so sorry to hear that.

[AshMC1984]

I'll be V/LA for 2 days. Posting this in all my games.

[hohum]

when I get time later today I'm going to do a mass prod since it's been 48 hours since anything relevant was posted. I'm going to set a deadline if activity doesn't pick back up by wednesday