The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lamont_Cranston]

"since we don't know why your around." should be "Since we dont know why Nyx is not around".

I have lots of memory lapses like that.

Devastation, "too eager"?? Did you read the Mod's note?? You didn't even vote yesterday!!

(sigh) counts to 10...

Are you trying to tell me you don't understand how important it is that we have time to properly discuss our D2 lynch?

The fact is he SAID he would be here and he isn't. He knew we had a vig vote and I don't buy it for a second that he has access issues. This is a deliberate stalling technique and we ALL need to be ringing his stalling carcass up to L5 IMMEDIATELY.

What happened to your suspicions of Naomi?

That is not on the table for discussion at this moment. Right now we have a LIFE OR DEATH town issue we need resolved IMMEDIATELY.

You want Naomi dead. So why aren''t you trying to get her lynched?
Just bring it up on the table again.

Now I'm RERALLY starting to suspect you. NO I won't bring it up again. Instead I'm bringing up the fact that you and Nyx are stalling together. Explain that.

Or I believe that you''re using a crap argument. This reason to vote Nyx is bad. I''m not convinced, and when ever that is the case, I''ll do anything to stop the lynch from happening.
As for you not wanting to bring up Naomi, that is noted. Because ever since the end of day 1, you''ve tried to get her lynched. And when Stepho announced that he believed her claim, your responses were telling enough. The fact that you now don''t want to discuss it, needs an explanation.

Stop trying to sidetrack the issue. The only thing that needs an explanation is your trying to change the subject when the town needs Nyx back NOW. There is NOTHING wrong with putting him at L5 where he needs to be but you are fighting it tooth and nail and THAT is what needs explaining.

I already told you, when I''m not convinced by a case, I''ll do anything to stop it. Just check the above quote as it''s stated there.
And now explain Naomi.

I already told you Naomi is off the table. The town has more pressing needs. That should be good enough for you but obviously you don't have the town's interests at heart here. You are more interested in helping Nyx to stall.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Tuesday, yes, he''s already late.
Right now, it''s 10.30 AM in case you also wanted to know that.

Thank you and please vote him if you're town. If you're scum please continue to help him stall.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As for my ''resistance'', I don''t vote lurkers unless there''s a very good reason to do so.

If you aren't willing to vote a lurker now then you never will period so please don't say that you would.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't agree with your lurker policy. You can clearly see that by checking my wiki with the link provided.

You have avoided the tremendous coincidence this all is and how the odds are against his VLA claim being genuine because of that.

I hold that he clearly and deliberately stalled right out in the open and you are helping him by advocating for him while he does it.

This is an issue of such importance it would require you to forsake your lurker policy to vote him

if you were town.

There is a very good reason not to vote him if he''s scum.
So either way, if he was or wasn''t trying to stall this game (of which I still think he wasn''t), voting does not help in this case.

Voting lurkers is necessary. The fact is we're dealing wth TWO village lynches here that are in clear jeopardy because of his lurking. The fact that you refuse to do anything about it demonstrates an anti-village attitude and I don't like it one bit.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The town needs to ring up Nyx to L-5 NAO.

[Lamont_Cranston]

OR Can somebody please state how obviously Zazier is resisting the common wisdom that:

1) The best way to deal with lurkers is to VOTE them
2) This is an URGENT situation requiring IMMEDIATE action

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh no wait its all flowers and happy times here in the Defoe manor and night isn't approaching or anything, let's just kick back and have fun...

[Lamont_Cranston]

What you don't seem to understand is WE NEED THIS VIG VOTE. He needs to come back or be lynched and therefore he needs to be L-5 IMMEDIATELY.

[Lamont_Cranston]

* VIG KILL

[Lamont_Cranston]

ha ha cross post

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm sorry but he needs to be L-5 like 5 hours ago... 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't like your line of thinking one bit and I'm liking it less and less the more you keep up with it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya like, um I got it back when I handed him the fricking shell!

He is bound to do as the town wants or get lynched.

You may vote him now. 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya I knew that he could be scum when I handed him the shell! Any deviation on his part and we get a Mafi! 1:1 is +village.

Look I respect you alot and enjoy playing with you but your spine has gone soft here. You don't hide from scum with a shotgun, you viciously pursue them because we OUTNUMBER them.

He needs to be voted up at L-5 so he can get his stalling carcass back in here and vig kill like he is supposed to so we can discuss our D2 lynch properly without having to rush. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

He needs to be L-5 NAO.

[Lamont_Cranston]

You don't hide from scum with a shotgun, you viciously pursue them...

Classic quote!

[Lamont_Cranston]

No what you don't see is there is something more important than that!

HE IS STALLING FOR A REASON. HE NEEDS TO STOP NOW. WE STOP HIM BY RINGING HIS STALLING CARCASS TO L-5.

That's the only way lurkers ever get the message. Heck look at the trouble we've had with Devastation for instance... 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

And after he had shot, we could also ask him questions about the V/LA to see if he was lying or not and what his reason was that he came back later.

So meanwhile HE decides (scum) when the town gets the vig & lynch??

Your argument is so poor I'm starting to get the feeling you

want

him to lurk...

[Lamont_Cranston]

You think he''s stalling, because he''s scum!
If this is true, what you did was anti-town, yes or no?
A prod would have gotten him back, or else a replacement and that player slot wouldn''t have known that somebody is suspecting him.

So who was here acting anti-town, mhmm?

No what you don't see is there is something more important than that!

HE IS STALLING FOR A REASON. HE NEEDS TO STOP NOW. WE STOP HIM BY RINGING HIS STALLING CARCASS TO L-5.

That's the only way lurkers ever get the message. Heck look at the trouble we've had with Devastation for instance... 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

You think he''s stalling, because he''s scum!
If this is true, what you did was anti-town, yes or no?
A prod would have gotten him back, or else a replacement and that player slot wouldn''t have known that somebody is suspecting him.

So who was here acting anti-town, mhmm?

No what you don't see is there is something more important than that!

HE IS STALLING FOR A REASON. HE NEEDS TO STOP NOW. WE STOP HIM BY RINGING HIS STALLING CARCASS TO L-5.

That's the only way lurkers ever get the message. Heck look at the trouble we've had with Devastation for instance... 9.9

And after he had shot, we could also ask him questions about the V/LA to see if he was lying or not and what his reason was that he came back later.

So meanwhile HE decides (scum) when the town gets the vig & lynch??

Your argument is so poor I'm starting to get the feeling you

want

him to lurk...

[Lamont_Cranston]

And after he had shot, we could also ask him questions about the V/LA to see if he was lying or not and what his reason was that he came back later.

So meanwhile HE decides (scum) when the town gets the vig & lynch??

Your argument is so poor I'm starting to get the feeling you

want

him to lurk...

No, I don''t want him to lurk. Which is why I asked for a prod.
But at least if he only would have been prodded, he wouldn''t have known that you were suspecting him.
So if he kept stalling, you could pressure him when he was here. Which is better than just shouting that he''s scum when he''s not here.
True, or not?

A prod won't help like the certain threat of a rope. A prod is a very WEAK way to get a response in this situation

Once again your argument is fail because a 1:1 is +village.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I prefer that a scummy player gets killed, instead of a very pro-town player.
And yes, a prod would help. If he opens it, but doesn''t post, we know he''s stalling. If he doesn''t open it, we get a replacement and should therefore get more time till deadline with hopefully an active player.
How is this fail?
Lynching lurkers is fail. Pressuring lurkers with vote is fail.

And how long does your prod take?? As long as he wants?? The rope is quicker and more certain.

However, on a positive note, I'm glad you prodded him.

However he needs to be rung up to L-5 because the chances of him lurking here are VERY high. The coincidence is TOO MUCH. The timing is just far too perfect.

We can get him in here FASTER than a prod with the rope.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Your vote please...

[Lamont_Cranston]

* FACEPALM ME * sorry, I missed it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok well Like I said I really enjoy playing with you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

MOD: Votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also:

Dramonic, Zwet, Nyx and Deves should vig-vote

The choices are Deves, Stepho with both 6 votes or another player of which you should present a case why he/she should be vig-voted over the other two.
Please choose in your next post.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dang don't go to sleep or anything...

Once again, we find a PR that is more powerful than Trilby??

I need to ISO Steph here starting D2.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

Unvote

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx:

Now that you have both the shell and shotgun together, do you have any additional info you can share about how they work?

I got a PM about me receiving it ( the shell ) and it said I could use it with

a

shotgun.

*FACEPALM* I noticed this before and I thought to myself "Why didn't he say "THE" shotgun why did he say "A" shotgun"?

I think we're in serious trouble here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

Don't think that I forgot that yesterday you were saying you were going to vote for either me or Naomi...and while I understand Lamont's position, I relentlessly attacked Naomi's claim yesterday.

??? This doesn't seem right an reminds me of how he wanted to get credit for attacking Naomi over me and he made a big deal about it...

Yes, I agree, the claim looked

very

poor when she added the cop thing on. But there's no reason not to wait for her result.

This is the second shift in thinking from yesterday to today that needs pointing out...so I'm pointing.

But I agree, there's no reason not to wait to hear from Naomi. Please, no one be hasty with lynchvotes or with the shotgun.

At worst, this post is 50% correct; it would make 100% sense if he was trying to hide as a cop.

So where's Naomi?

I guess a neutral post...

I will be using it tonight, provided I'm not lynched before then...
what I want to know is...
Do I investigate my own pick?
OR
Does everyone in the town want to pick?

And I'll throw out a related question:

If Naomi's roleclaim is legitimate, is it best to try and catch a scum with her investigation, or try and clear a helpful townie who may then stay protected?

This looks extremely good for Stepho here...

And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

Don't think that I forgot that yesterday you were saying you were going to vote for either me or Naomi...and while I understand Lamont's position, I relentlessly attacked Naomi's claim yesterday.

I think Devestation needs to die based on his shift in thinking. I spent a lot of time yesterday attacking Naomi's claim...and yet I was still on Devestation's list of suspects...now all of a sudden Devestation's giving credit to Lamont for outing Naomi's supposed scumminess, even though in my opinion Lamont hasn't hit Naomi nearly as hard as I was yesterday.

I'm starting to think Naomi's claim really is legitimate, based on posts from both her and the mod today.

I reserve the right to change this, but for now:

Vig vote:

Devestation

My reply is that it was quite an opportunistic statement, and there's no reason to think it's a valid point. It would be pretty easy for scum to sit back and see two townies (I'm not convinced Naomi is town, but it's a possibility) fighting, and then say "well one or the other must be scum", and by the time we've lynched one townie and then the other, the scum may be in trouble, but he and his buddies are almost at the win.

You seem to think I misinterpreted what Devestation posted...I don't believe I did.

This appears to be Stepho playing very well as Cop...

I believe Setael and Naomi to be town, and Devestation and Lamont to be scum.

And this nails it. I am going to have to believe Stepho's claim here. If he turns out to be scum he deserves a gold scummy imo.

Vote Devastation

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-8 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Pablo, Elmo, Lamont)

Stepho-6 (Zazie, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Nyx, Dramonic)
Setael-2 (Amished, Zwet)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'll be away untill later this night ( Eurofag ). If someone can clear up that gun question

I'll be shooting in about 10 hours

. Since ZazieR is so trigger happy and wants results now to discuss. Which I agree with in certain extends.

This is so Mod screw. Our freaking shell doesn't fit...??

OTOH:

MOD: IS THE 8 BORE SHOTGUN A

DAY ITEM

AS SPECIFIED IN THE RULES? AND TO VERIFY, IS THE 12 BORE SHOTGUN SHELL A

DAY ITEM

AS SPECIFIED IN THE RULES?

[Lamont_Cranston]

* please please please *

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-8 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Pablo, Elmo, Lamont)

Stepho-5 (Zazie, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Dramonic)
Setael-2 (Amished, Zwet)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, Nyx

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx:

I may be reading the vig-votecount wrong, but if you place your vote onto Devastation, you would place the vig out of the reach of any other wagon and can shoot at will.

The vote total would be 9 for Devastation and with only Amish, Zwet and Devastation left. Even if all three voted for Stepho they would only have 8 votes.

So please fire away unless you can point out where I am wrong.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 29

Devastation-9 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Pablo, Elmo, Lamont, Pyro)

Stepho-4 (Zazie, Xtoxm, Sironi, Dramonic)
Setael-2 (Amished, Zwet)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, Nyx

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think that's it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Eww...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I want to cry.

Vote Devastation

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod: Did the shotgun survive the blast?

Take Shotgun

[Lamont_Cranston]

I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity I will not use profanity

But I will. TO summarize the above post: FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

Maybe Dev isnt the best lynch today.

Wait a minute... You're buying a vanillager claim??

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

Maybe Dev isnt the best lynch today.

Wait a minute... You're buying a vanillager claim??

You see no reason to believe Deves his claim from any post on this page?

Claiming vanillager helps the scum and cannot be proven. You don't back down from a vanillager claim, you LYNCH a vanillager claim.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I can claim Bozo the Vanillager Clown and make the same post...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya I know claiming Vanillager doesn't help my opinion of you EVER; it makes my lynching hand itch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

By "you" I mean whoever does it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Anyway, in this post was his first claim.
This, together with post 2233, makes me believe that he indeed has an Innocent role PM.

Well then tell me how scum couldn't do the exact same thing and never have to prove it. Relying on a Vanillager claim is so naive...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dev came about as close to quoting the Town role pm as he could without getting modkilled. Unless scum were given copies of it (and why the mod would do that rather than just quote the town role pm in the rules is beyond me) then he is town.

I'd vote Dramonic for these posts:

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it. If we're going to vig someone over it, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

This is terrible, scum reasoning for voting someone.

Oh for the love of...

You're stalling... so... much.

Unvote
Vigvote:Steph

I've been about as annoyed as anyone else with all the day vig circus, but when Nyx came back into the thread he made two pretty villagy posts, my reaction was "whew, glad the guy with the shotgun is probably Town." Dramonic's reaction was feigned annoyance, which was used as cover to vig vote Steph.

Rock, I have to admit I noticed the exact same things and it annoyed me. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that felt that way about those posts. He's also been kinda lurky too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

P.S. Either EVERYONE has a copy of the vanilla role, or far too many people are outing themselves as obv vanilla. It would be wise for this to stop, as it is helpful only to scum.

Zaze was the one instigating the role PM fishing. I have noted it and I don't like it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it.

If we're going to vig someone over it

, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

I think people are noticing a certain "cavalier attitude" regarding a kill choice that sounds alot like opportunistic BW-ing... A certain lack of sound logic perhaps?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, my playstyle is very "kill A or B,

but kill someone damn it

" as town, so you'll see that kind of attitude from me XD

Information is a better thing than interpreting posts.

I think that is what people are picking up on.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'd have to say I don't see real potential scum right now. Zwet's last post is scummy, Setael gives me a bad feel and I'm not quite convinced with Amished's claim, but we can't take the risk of lynching him yet, it's a ridiculously huge gambit.

I'm amused at how our claimed cop is a thief XS

I'm not very impressed by this post...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I can agree with maybe 50% of your analysis but I have a totally different scummy list than you do. We would only agree on Rock & Sironi...

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Devastation:

What is your read on Dramonic?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Pyro has been so town of late it hurts. Xtoxm I have had a town read since D1. Set is cutting a very strong town profile. I wouldn't support wagons on any of them.

[Lamont_Cranston]

yes, I know that was stating the obvious.

Care to explain why you disagree bout Pyro Xtoxm and Set, or is there a post where it's explained thatI conveniently missed? :3

I can answer specific inquiries about any one of them.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well I have my reasons why Rock is on my scummy list, what are yours?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Let's do a post analysis of Rock

1. Attacks Lamont with his reasons for voting being ridiculous.

2. Speculation about how the shotgun shell is apparently not a vig item.

Of course it's to be used as a supository

LMAO!

3. Accuses Xtoxm of flooding the thread with item speculation without actually bringing an intelligent explanation to the shell (mind you, it's a pretty obvious item)

4. Plays victim

5. vigvote dev without ANY explanation

6.

Also, someone just have me prodded once all this vig nonsense is over with.

Nice way of not participating. He's not even V/LA, he's just running away. Useful way to avoid suspicion, when you don't say anything.

7. Use of fail logic to push more of his illusions on the town about lynching Lamont

8. Fails to understand basic logic when faced with it

9. Twists people's intentions to fit his needs.


Yeah, he's scummy alright.

Well, that pretty much matches my reasons.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, Vote Rocka

I am doing this mid-thread because I feel so inspired. I'm on page 94.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm caught up now and still very inspired.

* puts hand over heart over vote *

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, can we lynch scum yet?

Unvote Vote Steph

Please explain this. This appears to be an irresponsible vote with only 5 days left, but when you factor in that he is a claimed town PR it becomes actually scummy...

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, can we lynch scum yet?

Unvote Vote Steph

Please explain this. This appears to be an irresponsible vote with only 5 days left, but when you factor in that he is a claimed town PR it becomes actually scummy...

Are you completely fucking retarded?

Sometimes.

This game does not only show alignment. To clarify - in this game, an Innocent is someone entirely uninvolved in the struggle between any Good faction/s and any Evil faction/s, and should be considered the equivalent of a Vanillager. Alignments are denoted by coloration.

Ok I'm ISO'ng Stepho right now...

[Lamont_Cranston]

His claim starts on page 87, post #5184.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm having trouble understanding these three posts. Stepho has revealed that Naomi's flavor is "Trilby" but cannot be clear about her role? Infamous Gentleman Thief is still flavor. So we have alot of flavor but no role or alignment?

@Stepho

For the love of God...

I am Janine. I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent.

I can check one player each night, and learn his or her role and alignment.

I investigated Naomi last night. Her roleclaim was legitimate. She is Trilby.

Please protect me tonight.

So what is Naomi's role? And why didn't you claim it in this post?
Because I'd expect that your role would be 'investigative reporter' if your claim is true. So please explain.

Technically Naomi's role may be "gentleman thief", then. She can verify, I'm sure.

Don''t call me dear *glare*
You''ll regret it if you do it one more time.

So in other words, you''re saying that Trilby is her role?

Just answer with yes or no as punishment for calling me dear *glare*

I am not going to do that because my PM does not say "The name is THIS and the role is THAT and the alignment is THAT". I have already mentioned, carefully and in different places, all the relevant information in my PM...and if the mod was at all consistent, Naomi will be able to verify it.

Also, you didn''t answer why you didn''t claim back then that extra part.

I didn't see a need to do so (rightly or wrongly, I was thinking of "Trilby" as her role), and certainly didn't want to risk a modkill. But it shouldn't matter, since Naomi hasn't even been back, has she? So it's not like I'm reading her and making stuff up, or something. She should be able to verify my investigation.

So its all very confusing to me. Is there proof here that he is scum and not just being confusing only?

[Lamont_Cranston]

To clarify - in this game, an Innocent is someone entirely uninvolved in the struggle between any Good faction/s and any Evil faction/s, and should be considered the equivalent of a Vanillager.

For the love of God...

I am Janine. I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent.

I can check one player each night, and learn his or her role and alignment.

I investigated Naomi last night. Her roleclaim was legitimate. She is Trilby.

Please protect me tonight.

I'll wait for Stepho to respond to this..

[Lamont_Cranston]

I really don't know what this entails or how I can usefully do this without being modkilled. I will say that I find this

I wish to find anyone who would do harm to me "

and fellow Innocents

".

very interesting, on reflection.

This is looking worse and worse for Stepho...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am not trying to be confusing. Naomi's role is either "Trilby" or "Infamous Gentleman Thief." I learned nothing else about her that could be considered a "role". I am quite sure she can verify that my posts reflect what's in her PM.

No. What you have provided is

flavor

.

Role

is like "cop, doc, bomb" and such like that and

alignment

is "town, mafia, neutral" and such like that.

If you want me to believe anything of what you have said in your defense, please answer this:

1) Why haven't you provided

flavor

,

role

&

alignment

for Naomi (so far you have only provided flavor)?

2) What is Naomi's

role

&

alignment

?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am not trying to be confusing. Naomi's role is either "Trilby" or "Infamous Gentleman Thief." I learned nothing else about her that could be considered a "role". I am quite sure she can verify that my posts reflect what's in her PM.

No. What you have provided is

flavor

.

Role

is like "cop, doc, bomb" and such like that and

alignment

is "town, mafia, neutral" and such like that.

If you want me to believe anything of what you have said in your defense, please answer this:

1) Why haven't you provided

flavor

,

role

&

alignment

for Naomi (so far you have only provided flavor)?

2) What is Naomi's

role

&

alignment

?

I SERIOUSLY don't know how to answer this. I have already shared what I learned about Naomi. IF I HAD TO GUESS RIGHT NOW, I would say that her role is Trilby, her alignment is Innocent and/or Pro-Town, and her flavor is (note these exact words, because Naomi should be able to confirm) "Infamous gentleman thief". But, AGAIN, this was not spelled out for me in the PM. I have done the best I can.

Seriously, if you're a cop you would have a real role for her. Trilby is flavor.

Are you saying the Mod's PM to you with your peek information is defective?

*ducks*

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh crap. I think we are being totally mind screwed.

[Lamont_Cranston]

13. There will be crazy shit, descriptions of unpleasant actions, and things you may well not understand at all in this game. It is not intended to be particularly fair, nice, or easy for the town/innocents.

You may be required to actually think, instead of playing follow the *

insert role/s here

*

Get used to it. ithurtsithurtsirthurts

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, can we lynch scum yet?

Unvote Vote Steph

Please explain this. This appears to be an irresponsible vote with only 5 days left, but when you factor in that he is a claimed town PR it becomes actually scummy...

Right now, it's less than 3 days.
Also, it's a good vote.

No the deadline is July 8th.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm serious if Stepho is scum he needs to get a golden scummy award for his play concerning Naomi. I won't vote him and I believe him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Like I said, I'm frazzled, but I don't really see how Stepho is obvscum although that may well simply be me missing it at this point. Please understand that Innocent being a role does not mean it is not also an alignment, and that if Innocent is not an alignment we have no power roles and e.g. Amished should be next in line for the chop. And that doesn't sound right to me, quite possibly the majority of the claims are scum but I seriously doubt all of them are. I know I'll kick myself if Stepho is scum (and this Innocent business has zero capability to clear him) but I'm not 100% putting my vote there right now.

Naomi is also still here as claimed powerrole.
Also, as I have already pointed out, Amished claimed a player from the game. However, after having checked the wiki, the name is wrong due to Amished's claimed flavour. He claimed the father, while the claimed flavour fits the son.

Actually he used the term "gatekeeper" when the term was supposed to be something else right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right but remember the game history you quoted used a different term than "gatekeeper".

What if we are being mind screwed with scum being allowed to use "town-like-looking powers" and safeclaims and such? All this claiming left and right, I've never really seen a decent game go like this...

For Amish Ed's claim to be fake he would need to be scum with a townie-healing power...

I mean it just seems too far fetched.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Look, I know that I am Janine, and an investigative reporter, and have fellow Innocents. I know that Naomi is Trilby, and is an infamous gentleman thief. And I was specifically told I learn roles and alignments when I investigate...but the results are not clear as to what's what.

I am in disbelief. Everything I have done in this game is consistent with my role. I am sorry that roleclaiming is difficult, but mine is legitimate as is Naomi's.

I believe this.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Wow. It saddens me that Elmo has to die soon...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm willing to posit that "fellow innocents" could easily mean fellow town-aligned players.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Maybe the Mod likes your siggie?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya I noticed that too. I'll wait for Stepho to respond before I hop on...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Wow. Good timing, though.

No, EXCELLENT timing. The town DESPERATELY needs him here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This way Stepho gets to live because Amished willl protect him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

For Rock, there's a lot of very cynical posting coming from him, and there are times when I can see his point. The fact that in ISO 24 he basically came out and cleared Dev as much as anybody not-cop can while still being extremely open to attack because of it makes me think he's a vanillager as well.

I noticed that post too. Its the only really good one I've seen from him so far.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya and between Rock & Dramonic I will definitely choose Rock. I think Dramonic just had a bad start. I'm going to look at that one rock post though...

[Lamont_Cranston]

For Rock, there's a lot of very cynical posting coming from him, and there are times when I can see his point. The fact that in ISO 24 he basically came out and cleared Dev as much as anybody not-cop can while still being extremely open to attack because of it makes me think he's a vanillager as well.

I noticed that post too. Its the only really good one I've seen from him so far.

Ok I just researched that ISO 24. He makes this statement late after others have made it.

Although he did so under no personal voting pressure whatsoever.

I'm just noting that he wasn't leading the way in pointing it out.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its slang of "isolation". It means using the "Display posts by" function to see all of a certain person's posts. They are numbered just like in the actual thread.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm definitely not liking this killing of a claimed town power role especially when you take his interactions with Naomi into account. I think he deserves to live at least a day for how he has acted in regards to Naomi.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Omgosh a speedlynch of a town power role...

[Lamont_Cranston]

according to my pm, it says nothing about infamous... it just says Trilby, Gentleman thief.

gg stepho

I'll wait for his response here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Omgosh a speedlynch of a town power role...

I'm sorry, what's all this, please?

unvote

Stepho has claimed cop & peeked Naomi and says she is town. I investigated his EOD1 play vs. his D2 play and it corresponds perfectly with a cop who has peeked Naomi as town. If he turns out to be scum it is the greatest play ever because he was under no voting pressure at the time this play occurred (even though his claim came while under pressure).

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok I am having personal issues and cannot post well right now.

I would recommend an industrious player run an unofficial votecount. I have no idea what the votecount is.

I think Rock has been far less helpful than Dramonic has become and I definitely won't vote for Stepho.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Wow crossfire! Awesome!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Only one faction left now...

[Lamont_Cranston]

On the other side of the manor, the oldest resident cast off the mantle of youth under which he had disguised himself
during the day, and dragged his rotting bones to find the one he thought threatened his home.
Sajin stood no chance, as the wraith hacked him apart with a massive machete, he head cleaved in two, his chest
torn apart by the vicious steel.

This was Xtoxm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

What are you talking about? Pablo? He's an Innocent, as in vanilla...if he's not, lynch me.

I'm not saying I don't believe your claim, but I don't like this post. It proves nothing. It

almost

sounds like a scum ploy to appear as town.

Can you see how it makes no sense here?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok so if we're holding Stepho, Naomi, Amished & Devastation as town, then we also hold Pablo as town.

I am going to be looking at the following people for the best case:

Dramonic
Sironi
Zwet
Rocka

To get things started though, I will place my vote back where it was:

Vote Rocka

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Tajo:

I suppose we can have the "why I am prob-scum" convo later...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I also pass.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL

[Lamont_Cranston]

BBWOP --> The above post was aimed at Dramonic's last post.

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^ ummm, YIKES!?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Those matches are going tobe randmly assigned.

[Lamont_Cranston]

They were distributed randomly whreas the doll was not... :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

The question is, what would scum do with the matches? And what defines endgame anyway? I guess the matches and the whole issue are kind of useless.

It is the doll we should be focusing on.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I wonder if everyone should do a doll claim.

I don't have it

[Lamont_Cranston]

Claim Tally

(don't have it)
Lamont
Pyro

[Lamont_Cranston]

Claim Tally

(don't have it)
Lamont
Pyro
Stepho

[Lamont_Cranston]

Claim Tally

(don''t have it)
Lamont
Pyro
Stepho
Zazie
Setael
Dram
Tajo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please

Ok so lets make a list of people that haven't claimed about the doll:

Rocka, Naomi, Tajo, Sironi, Zwet, Amished

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please

Ok so lets make a list of people that haven't claimed about the doll:

Rocka, Naomi, Sironi, Zwet, Amished

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Hohum:

Do you have the doll?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well now you can add definitely lurking to the list but he was acting anti-town whey back there; he took a shot at trying to derail the town vig & really didn't help much. There was one post that seemed helpful but it wasn't leading the way; someone else had pointed out the same thing earlier. No helpful posts at all, generally anti-town attitude.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I do have something I need to post. I received a couple pms from the mod after asking for clarification. The matches are not transferable. I have to keep them and I must be alive at end game for a town win. If I'm not alive at endgame the best the town can get is a draw. The mod also confirmed that the scum do not need the matches to win.

OMGOSH, I'm calling horseshit here. I need to know right now why set shouldn't be lynched immediately.

[Lamont_Cranston]

WHY OH WHY OH FREAKING WHY DOES THIS GAME NEVER EVER EVER GO NORMALLY!?

I need to throw a tantrum with cying and screaming and everything.

[Lamont_Cranston]

but it makes no sense to put an item on which the whole fate of the town's victory depends. I think Set is lying

On the other hand, if she IS telling the truth and we lynch her...

Ya that's me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lynch Seteal

Pablo died. Matches lived on.

This is me too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Not buying it.

This is me.

Unvote, Vote Setael

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya. :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok so I think we can narrow Set's lie down to the part where she says "the best we can get is a draw". This would indicate she is scum trying to get confirmed town status & doc protection.

The fact she couldn't give them away is irrelevant.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont: That and I don't think that the best we can do is get a draw as the game with the manor setting the house on fire didn't do a damn thing as the three parts of John Defoe were still intact and the manor was still around in the last game. Burning the house down should do absolutely nothing at all.

Well I'm willing to admit that the matches are required for the town to win since this is a game about the manor. I think that the fact they can't be given away indicates they are definitely useful in some way.

I have to interpret Set's claim as an attempt to become confirmed town as scum because it definitely does not make sense that SHE has to live for the town to win. It is Set's fault that it does not make sense. Set is right that she needs to be voted.

[Lamont_Cranston]

. Innocents win if they destroy all Evil

characters

. The Evil characters win when they have a majority, and are deemed powerful enough to over-power any and all remaining factions.

I don't see where this helps Set's case at all. However I can see where the matches are necessary to destroy say the "last evil character" but for Set to say SHE has to live for this to occur is so over the top scummy and its her fault for being lynched here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Zazier:

Is it OK that Stepho investigates you tonight because I don't like how you have been PM rolefishing. I don't think you actually believe there are no power roles. I think you have been actively probing through everyone's role PM and testing for reactions to determine who is a vanilla and who isn't. I've been watching this with disgust and horror and Amished's post has finally given me the courage to say something about it. We can resolve this issue right here and now tonight.

[Lamont_Cranston]

.for Set to say SHE has to live for this to occur is so over the top scummy

I do acknowledge this, but Pablo wanted to live too and he's confirmed...

I can see where Pablo would ask for protection because the matches are connected to the wincon and he bluffed by saying they were useless. I then can see where Set saw this and decided to augment it to her advantage and say SHE was required to have the matches for the town to win.

I'm going to come out and say it. The only way she is not scum is if she has clearly misunderstood how the matches work and in that case its HER FAULT. She needs to be lynched now either way.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I do have something I need to post. I received a couple pms from the mod after asking for clarification. The matches are not transferable. I have to keep them and

I must be alive at end game for a town win.

If I'm not alive at endgame the best the town can get is a draw

.

The mod also confirmed that the scum do not need the matches to win.

This seems pretty messed up to me but I guess it's evened out since we have a multiple protect doc. I thought about not sharing these pms since it paints a NK target on my forehead but I don't think we can risk me being NKd anyway for whatever reason, not having shared this info with the town.

So yeah. Doc, you need to protect me tonight.

My guess is the house itself is considered a character. The first pm I got basically said that it deserves to be burnt down.

It is possible that if I'm killed someone else could pick up the matches. I was specifically told that they are not transferable and that my "task" now is to survive to end game with the matches. I can't see any way to interpret that but the way I did.

It's possible though that if I die someone else could pick them up and it would then be their "task" to survive to endgame with them

.

HANG HER HIGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

The fact that KoC changed "player" for "character" is making me rather uneasy and very unsure about Set's lie... I'd be more confortable with Stepho investigating Set before we lynch.

Also, why do you want to lynch me stepho?

You're falling for it. There is no connection between the house being a character and her saying SHE has to live. Don't fall for it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So Set is on this see-saw swing now, back and forth, back and forth. There needs to be a noose on that see-saw. :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

rereading your ISO since you got the matches, you keep contradicting yourself Set.

This and badly.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Zazier:

Is it OK that Stepho investigates you tonight because I don't like how you have been PM rolefishing. I don't think you actually believe there are no power roles. I think you have been actively probing through everyone's role PM and testing for reactions to determine who is a vanilla and who isn't. I've been watching this with disgust and horror and Amished's post has finally given me the courage to say something about it. We can resolve this issue right here and now tonight.

You've had enough time to answer this.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dramonic's unvote actually makes me more sure he's scum. He knows I'm town and therefore knows I'm telling the truth. Scum don't want a draw. They want to win. IMO he's unvoting in hopes it will earn him town points when I flip town. At that point it will be impossible for town to win but it will be possible for scum to win rather than draw.

@Lamont - I can't quote the pms. If I could I think it'd clear it up for you. I dId not see any way to interpret the pms than that if I die the town can't win but I asked the mod to clarify, just in case, if someone could retrieve the matches and take over this task if I died. As I just posted, the answer was no. If I die the matches are gone and the best the town can get is a draw.

Your original flip-flop was far too wide and thus unbelievable. Now you try to flip-flop back by bolstering it with a supposed PM from the Mod.

In case you hadn't noticed, Dramonic re-voted you for exactly the above stated reasons.

Any last requests?

[Lamont_Cranston]

It's pretty safe to say that Zaz is of opposite alignment of Steph and Setael.

I don't agree with that at all. If I had to guess, I would guess all three of us are town, although I am certainly not convinced about either of them.

You just wanted to lynch me.

No, I want to lynch dramonic, and I made that clear. But I would certainly rather lynch you or anyone else but Setael. Setael could be lying, but we can find out tonight!

Stepho, I undestand your concern but Pablo dieded right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I was specifically told the best town can get is a draw if I die.

V/LA until tomorrow. Sorry. Don't do anything rash.

Ya right. The rash needs to be on her neck. She needs not to make it back from VLA.

[Lamont_Cranston]

It's pretty safe to say that Zaz is of opposite alignment of Steph and Setael.

I don't agree with that at all. If I had to guess, I would guess all three of us are town, although I am certainly not convinced about either of them.

You just wanted to lynch me.

No, I want to lynch dramonic, and I made that clear. But I would certainly rather lynch you or anyone else but Setael. Setael could be lying, but we can find out tonight!

Stepho, I undestand your concern but Pablo dieded right?

Indeed, but he was modkilled. The rules could be different.

See, we need to be stretching her neck, not the rules.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I so cannot buy where she has to live. If SHE dies the game is over for town. That so makes no sense and I'm not going to let fear dictate my decisions.

[Lamont_Cranston]

For the record, tomorrow I am not going to publicly post the exact results of my investigation at first, only whether the player is a good guy or a bad guy. Since codes are permitted, I will immediately post a hashed code containing the player's exact information...to be decoded after the scum have some time to squirm, or if it's necessary to save my butt, or the player's who I investigated. Sound okay?

If we already know their alignment then what do we need the code for?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Stepho, just state if you have 'investigated' scum or town without adding a name at the start of the day. That way, if you claim to have scum investigated, they don't know who and can still squirm.

I will do that, but I will also add a coded message with all of the details, so everyone can tell I'm not just making them up later, if need be. You should like that.

Aha, I get it now. Hee hee. Funny.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya he's just going to say he found scum or he found town but nothing else. Hee heee, sneaky.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dam that "I have to live" idea sounds so bad I'm willing to lose if its true.

* ducks *

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw we need to update our status on the doll...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please

Ok so lets make a list of people that haven't claimed about the doll:

Rocka, Naomi, Sironi, Zwet, Amished

Amished, do you have the doll?

Mod, please prod Rocka, Naomi, Sironi, Zwet

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, I think the worst case scnario is that Set is town (not dam likely) and the matches fall into scum hands when she gets lynched.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@amished - do you know when you will start having less protects?

Scum would love to know this.

Amished has to protect himself

and me

and at some point he won't be able to protect

us

them

Fixed. I don't think Amished should worry about protecting you. The matches will live on after you and besides there is no reason for him to protect scum.

I would certainly prefer an investigation of zaz or dramonic... Just seems like a waste when we could use it to find scum.

Right. I'm sure it does. If you live into the night (you shouldn't), you bet your QT username you'll be investigated and it won't be a waste either.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Moar Set votes please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The town needs to lynch Set and investigate Zaze. She is mad PR fishing.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LYNCH SET NOW!

[/b]

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont: give me the benefit of the doubt for one day. Lynch zaz and investigate me tonight.

I apologize for being behind the pace of this game, I'm at work.

I'm sorry but Zaze has earned the benefit of the doubt with her hard work at scum hunting; I'm just very sick and tired of her obsession with role PM's & power roles. I think it is likely she is scum engaging in rolefishing while pretending to believe there are no PR's AND advocating the lynch of a town PR. But again, she has earned the benefit of the doubt.

What is the matter with this town? Does everyone have "crap-o-claim" disease or something??

Your self-contradicton combined with an unsupportable claim makes you the optymal town lynch here and Zaze the optymal night peek.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. I know but that's how Tajo spells it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Zaz: Why do you feel it relevant to divulge how many protections I have in a night?

@Lamont: Yes, the claim is unconfirmed. However, since you openly stated that you think Zaz is scum (which I agree with), we can lynch her, keep an unsupported claim til tomorrow with an investigation on Setael, then in an attempt to confirm all of Steph's investigations we can lynch him and see where Set stands at that point. Isn't that a better course of action than to lynch somebody that might have a key to a win condition?

1) It was SETAEL that asked about the number of your protections.
2) I don't think it would be right to lynch Zazier without an investigation
3) You ACTUALLY buy Set's claim that SHE has to live when we

already

saw the matches live on after a player death?? You guys are really letting her psych the town out here. She is obviously an experienced gambit player; she knew there would be weak spined people that couldn't stomach a fake "town wincon" claim. She's not fooling me though. I'm calling her bluff. I just need 3 more people to join me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

[Lamont_Cranston]

And btw Zwet, do you have the doll?

[Lamont_Cranston]

And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

when did I fakeclaim?

I was talking about your meta...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok so lets make a list of people that haven't claimed about the doll:

Rocka, Naomi, Sironi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok. Interesting theory. Not saying I believe it for one second, but evidence....??

[Lamont_Cranston]

steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

I don't like this comment at all. I think this makes a stronger case that Set is scum & you too. How about that?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont - what makes you think I'm a good fake claimer? I don't think there is evidence for that in my meta actually.

Well, I'm holding to the theory that you are an eperienced player that would know & understand the effect of a claim on people.

In other words, you know that if you claim that the town will LOSE if you die, enough people will be scared into believing you, thus allowing you to live.

Its clear you are all focused on having doc protection and how Amished is going to run out of protections and how because of your claim the town has to let you live.

I call horseshit.

You need to be lynched. If for some reason beyond belief you are not lynched you need to be investigated but it would be better that you were lynched and Zaze investigated imo.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't think even Zaze actually believes there are no power roles. I think she's actively trying to ferret them out.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod did Naomi pick up her doll?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Look, were being mod-mind-screwed. The claims aren't going to make sense. Amished's is proven & Stepho-Naomi's are linked.

Something just occurred to me. Naomi is no longer a PR right? I mean she said she has no other powers than being non-NK right?

So if she can prove Stepho's claim that would be like awesome right?

Is there anything I'm missing here? (I don't care about all this role PM crap and obscure rule interpretation crap)

[Lamont_Cranston]

i.e. I mean lynching her bc she really isn't a PR anymore right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm in.

Unvote, Vote Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

lol I was just thinking the same thing too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

I don't like this comment at all. I think this makes a stronger case that Set is scum & you too. How about that?

Um... I see no reasoning.

Well, how about trying to diminish the value of the town cop's investigative powers (the essential Set peek) & get him lynched?? Is that good enough for you?

It is an EXTREMELY anti-town post.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its making me think that both you AND Set are scum together.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya, that's the point. He's trying to say it will be wrong in advance.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh ya I forgot. Zwet doesn't play ridiculous gambits.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No its not about Steph its about Zwet. He's trying to invalidate Steph's Set peek in advance. Makes me thing they are scum buddies.

Btw, I'm showing Naomi with 6 votes and 14 alive, so that would be L-2 by my count.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Quick definitions (maneuver)

▸ noun: an action aimed at evading an opponent
▸ noun: a move made to gain a tactical end
▸ noun: a deliberate coordinated movement requiring dexterity and skill ("He made a great maneuver")
▸ noun: a military training exercise
▸ noun: a plan for attaining a particular goal
▸ verb: act in order to achieve a certain goal ("He maneuvered to get the chairmanship")
▸ verb: perform a movement in military or naval tactics in order to secure an advantage in attack or defense
▸ verb: direct the course; determine the direction of travelling

[Lamont_Cranston]

lol

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL.

Ok, well tomorrow will be a brand new day.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As night fell, the corridors were oddly silent. Only one lone figure trod the ancient floorboards, their mind no longer their own for this night. Reaching into the fire, feeling no pain, they took up the blackened apron and welding mask, wiped the soot away to reveal the killing edge of the blade, and shambled to Elmo's room. The poor fellow... he was already sickly, he never stood a chance.

Elmo, Sick Innocent, hacked to death Night 3.

Light-kun replaces Rockatansky, effective immediately.

Day 4 ends at 12noon GMT 28th August. From this point on, the days will begin to get shorter as the number of survivors decreases.

Even though scum killing Hohum hurts the town because a confirmed townie is dead, I am kind of glad they did it because I have a strong sneaking suspicion that "Cho's blood" that he drank was going to come back and bite us.

[Lamont_Cranston]

We're down to one kill, excellent.

We still have the dam doll to deal with.

Light-Kun do you have the doll?

[Lamont_Cranston]

As night fell, the corridors were oddly silent. Only one lone figure trod the ancient floorboards, their mind no longer their own for this night. Reaching into the fire, feeling no pain, they took up the

blackened apron

and

welding mask

, wiped the soot away to reveal the killing edge of the blade, and shambled to Elmo's room. The poor fellow... he was already sickly, he never stood a chance.

Elmo, Sick Innocent, hacked to death Night 3.

Light-kun replaces Rockatansky, effective immediately.

Day 4 ends at 12noon GMT 28th August. From this point on, the days will begin to get shorter as the number of survivors decreases.

Even though scum killing Hohum hurts the town because a confirmed townie is dead, I am kind of glad they did it because I have a strong sneaking suspicion that "Cho's blood" that he drank was going to come back and bite us.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The apron and welding mask means the dead boy did the killing (that's the evil force in the manor) and hence the scum faction.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No Xtoxm used a spear and another sort of weapon.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Good point. I'm glad you looked it up. Xtoxm definitely wasn't the evil boy and the blade that killed Hohum was not specified.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The way I see it is there is one scum faction the same one that's been killing but we don't have the SK anymore because he's dead.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Who's the boy? We know the house has to be destroyed - is there a chance the house can kill?

Oh yes. I am waiting to hear from Stepho regarding last night's peek...

[Lamont_Cranston]

The boy is the main character for the evil in the house. The game actually revolves around him even though Trilby is the protagonist. If I recall correctly he was basically tortured by his father and eventually killed by him because his wife died in giving birth to him. The child's spirit lived on and occupied the house. He sort of assumed a mission to find a body for himself and the game is about him taking a bodily form and Trilby ultimately killing him in the final scene before the house catches fire.

Its been awhile since I played but the dead boy is definitely the one with the welding mask and apron and hence the main scum faction.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw,

Zwet

can you please tell us about the doll you received by PM?

[Lamont_Cranston]

For the information about the boy:

As the five prisoners seek answers to their predicament within the house, two of them are murdered in two different instances. The killer is found to be Trilby, possessed by the vengeful ghost of the second son of Sir Roderick Defoe, the house's original owner. Sir Roderick blamed his deformed son for causing his wife's death and chained him to a wall in the basement, regularly abusing and neglecting the boy (which Trilby speculates to have resulted in mental retardation and violent insanity.) Fifteen years later, Sir Roderick severely beat his son with an African wooden idol. His other son, Matthew, attempted to help his twin brother, but John (a name given by Trilby to the younger DeFoe for convenience) murdered both his brother and his father with a machete before dying of his own injuries. John's ghost still haunts the mansion within the tribal idol which killed him, possessing anyone who touches it and murdering anyone he encounters, wearing same blacksmith's apron and welding mask he did when he killed his father and brother.

OMGOSH, the doll...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, after checking the flavour and the wiki again, one thing had me wondered.
When Xtoxm died, it was stated that the bridge was open for 1/3 as he was the body of John DeFoe. The other two parts are the spirit and the mind of John DeFoe.
The spirit is locked up inside of an idol, which is very likely the doll. The only possible exceptions is that it''s just a doll, or it''s the idol, but without the spirit in it.
However, the part of the mind is interesting. The manor contains it. In the game, the mind gets destroyed when the manor is burned down.
So I need to think if scum want to have those matches gone or not.

Wow excellent analysis.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As night fell, the corridors were oddly silent. Only one lone figure trod the ancient floorboards,

their mind no longer their own for this night

. Reaching into the fire, feeling no pain, they took up the blackened apron and welding mask, wiped the soot away to reveal the killing edge of the blade, and shambled to Elmo's room. The poor fellow... he was already sickly, he never stood a chance.

Elmo/Hohum, Sick Innocent, hacked to death Night 3.

Light-kun replaces Rockatansky, effective immediately.

Day 4 ends at 12noon GMT 28th August. From this point on, the days will begin to get shorter as the number of survivors decreases.

See the added blue for what I''m talking about.

Wow amazing.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well I can agree with a Sironi lurker vote just on principle.

Vote Sironi

Also, I disagree with Zwet's opinion of Zazier's analysis. I think scum would disagree in the same way in fact...

@Zwet:

Can you explain more of what you meant by that statement?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I agree with the persons you've cleared.

At this point I have to agree with your assessment of Zazier but I am unwilling to give Zwet a pass.

I would place Pyro with Zazier and move Zwet in his place.

I would have to do an ISO of Tajo; my main grudge at this point being infrequent posting.

Sironi & Rocka have done nothing to inspire me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, I disagree with Zwet's opinion of Zazier's analysis. I think scum would disagree in the same way in fact...

Why?

Because her analysis helps the town to understand what is going on in the game which brings cohesion for effective scum hunting. Scum wouldn't like that.

Oh wait. Ha ha. I just got what you mean. You mean on the Naomi-PR-PM thing...

Oh ok nvm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

We'll have to let him explain but I thought he was referring to your earlier rampage about there being no PR's and etc...

If he means your latest analysis then I still disagree with him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'd like to see how "interpreting the rules too strenuously" fits in here...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I guess it's possible we could use a match to burn the doll... We must have the matches at he end of the game in order to win, but that might not mean all of them... You only need one to torch a house, right? If we decide we want to try it, I'll ask the mod about it. We wouldn't want to risk it unless we could be sure it won't use them all up.

I still support a dramonic lynch.

Ya be careful. We have already seen how the Mod will gladly lead us down the primrose path with our questions*cough*Nyx [BLAM]*cough*...

[Lamont_Cranston]

For clarity, I retract all of my earlier statements that it was scum that was responsible for last night's kill.

I find it more reasonable that it was our doll holder who is now scum/SK. The other scum kill was blocked.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This dam dall is like a yak kill. SOMEBODY is no longer what they were.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Because inactives are replaced. And iirc Siro got I don't deserve to be here thing.

Ah yes. Can you please quote that post? Can you find it?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I guess it's possible we could use a match to burn the doll... We must have the matches at he end of the game in order to win, but that might not mean all of them... You only need one to torch a house, right? If we decide we want to try it, I'll ask the mod about it. We wouldn't want to risk it unless we could be sure it won't use them all up.

I''m not sure about it.
It contains the spirit if the speculation is correct. One of the three ''items'' needed to open the bridge. But according to the rules, the bridge doesn''t need to be opened for the scum to win. Though after yesterday, I have less faith in them.
Which is why I want to hear from Amished.

Right. I recall something about Trilby getting possessed briefly and then unpossessed? Maybe the doll-effect is only temporary?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Kay, that means that we have a sk that was town before?

Opening the bridge is a good idea?

I have a plan about the doll but I need everyone to claim if they have or dont have the doll.

Lammont, how is that doll claiming thin going?

I don't expect anyone to say. I think we are done to just Sironi now.

[Lamont_Cranston]

*down

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

Because LK isn't lurking and needs to catch up on the game.

If LK was still Rock I'd lynch him over Siro.

Ya, I'm pretty much saying the same thing.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh ya,

Unvote