The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok well that's in the past now. It should be clear why it was pro-town to switch positions.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm dying of course, but I'm still happy with my cranston vote.

Of course you would be since its obvious you aren't basing it on anything other than gut anyway.

And yes that kind of play annoys me but w/e I can't like everyone's playstyle its just I have the maturity to think beyond that and not vote you b/c its obvious to me that you're town.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod: Does hohum die in two game days, or two real-life days?

All: Let's look at the bright side. We have a *confirmed townie* who's with us in the game for a little while longer. How can we use this to our advantage?

Even though I agree with you that Ho is a townie, he is in no way * confirmed * as you have asserted. Asmuch as I would like for him to be * confirmed * he is not.

[Lamont_Cranston]

* facepalm *

So sorry at work.

Unfortunately, I can't think of any way he can help as confirmed town. It just means there is one less person we should be suspecting as Mafi...

[Lamont_Cranston]

On a side note, I don't like the BW choices for today. I hold them both as town. I recommend changing them.

The what?

Bandwagon choices. They are all wrong atm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok I was going to remain silent about this but I just got another PM which confirmed my suspicions.

The initial PM said that the shell was slightly warm to the touch.

This latest PM says that the shell is now much warmer and there is a faint odor of something burning.

I think I made a big mistake in picking it up...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hello everyone.

I expect to get a good portion of the reading done by tomorrow night, but it could be likely that I won't get to all of it until sometime Saturday morning.

If there are any questions people would like to ask me before I start reading the thread for any reason, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer those questions before I begin my reading tonight when I get off work.

Yes. What is your alt?

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is the most annoying game to reread, but I'm done. I'm getting major scum vibes from Sironigous.

Well I noticed the opportunistic inconsistency quite heavily. I guess I have a soft heart because I just melted into an inexperienced town read.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I noticed that too. I considered it a null-tell but your meta argument has intrigued me. Based on it I am willing to put him back on the table.

[Lamont_Cranston]

More crap from Ho.. 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

*GLARE* at zwet and to a lesser extent lynchmont for bringing meta into the discussion on page
uh
33 now.

lamont == obvscum. I'm almost willing to wager on it at this point.

LOL almost willing to wager on a OMGUS case! Your playstyle is so bad.

If I didn't know you were town (even before it was revealed by the Mod) I would definitely advocate your lynch fo such anti-town play. But that's the difference between me an you, I have the ability to look beyond my own personal opinion to see the facts. That's a pro-town way of playing. You should learn it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL ^^^ another brilliant argument.

No Pablo, it was through deductive reasoning that I came to the conclusion that Ho was town.

But that's the case against me fantastically brilliant arguments like that. 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, first of all the idea that somehow because I'm scum I'm going to come out and say "Hohum is def town" having gained this knowledge because I'm scum is so stupid its not even worth consideration.

However, because for some reason this crazy idea seems to have some traction (why I cannot fathom), my deductions stemmed from his elixir policy.

Scum

probably

would not advocate no-use AND scum would NOT drink.

Now before some genius shouts out "WIFOM!! LOL!!! YUK YUK!", don't forget that your own brain is WIFOM and leave me alone -- the percentages are in my favor here and it is thus I declared him village in advance of it being revealed.

If he would use the same deductive reasoning regarding my views then he wouldn't be able to advocate my lynch but because he is allowing emotion and ego to cloud his judgement, he is blinded.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No I, like you, did not want it to be used and for the same reasons.

However, Xtoxm's theory (also held by Tajo & AJ) took a higher precedence. Granted, there were some problems in implementing that theory due to potential abuse but it was ultimately best for the town to have it used ONLY on D1 and ONLY until a positive effect could be proven.

I am back lock step with you that further such items should NOT be used.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm sure you think this is funny which is another annoying feature of your lazy playstyle -- you take pleasure in just throwing out lame arguments to watch people flail around while you put out no effort yourself; its so anti-town because crap arguments hurt the town (which is why they are seen as scummy).

And obviously your case against me is OMGUS because you have zero evidence against me other than I agreed with a logical position of yours and you het my playstyle. 9.9

I would expect higher quality play from you instead of this laziness; it really annoys me and it hurts the town but I don't expect you to listen because you're having too much fun not caring about the town anyway.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Sorry but it was you who didn't answer.

[Lamont_Cranston]

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

Sorry but it was you who didn't answer.

I answered you a mere five minutes later.

Steph until you give me a reason why I should do such a silly think you can put your vote wherever you want. That's a silly reason to vote anyone and I won't be held responsible for it.

Nope sorry you didn't.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Oh dear, it looks like that shell's going to be bad news...
Lamont why did you pick up the shell?

I didn't even think. I saw it got totally excited and grabbed it. Of course NOW I realize wat a dumbsh*t thing it was to do.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Just got another PM. I have to keep moving the shell around to avoid getting burned. The burning smell is stronger, like sulphur.

Sorry I don't really feel the Steph vote. Obviously her reason for voting me is crap but other than that I don't see any scummy moves from her.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont- I find your comments of what scum would do to in such and such circumstance scummy regardless of how they apply to your previous statements and claims. Your also trying to sow confusion and doubt in almost every argument.

I have found your logic confusing so far in this game.

Most likely

scum will want the damage of using an item in this game to fall to the village (hopefully a PR) AND

almost certainly

they will not want any damage to befall themselves and thus will not drink.

No scumminess there sorry.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Nope sorry you didn't.

Yes I did. There is no pro-town reason for you not to promise to avoid the devil sign, as I can't imagine a pro-town role having to post the devil sign. So, your refusal to make that promise leads me to assume you are scum who has to use the sign as part of his role.

WTH are you talking about!? Wat kind of crazy bullsh*t argument is this?? I have to promise not to hit a key so you won't vote me!?

Is this kiddie mafia!??

KMA.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok I was going to remain silent about this but I just got another PM which confirmed my suspicions.

The initial PM said that the shell was slightly warm to the touch.

This latest PM says that the shell is now much warmer and there is a faint odor of something burning.

I think I made a big mistake in picking it up...

Why were you going to remain silent about it?

At first I wasn't sure why it was heating. Now I think its clear its not good, especially with the sulphur smell.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Amished: Your post wall has many errors concerning me. My position on the elixir has directly mirrored yours so your argument there as much implicates you as me.

If I was to respond to the post wall it would be unnecessarily huge.

Hohum's attack on me is crap. He has a really bad playstyle. I understand the other two votes as I mentioned both of them on my elixir analysis; basically revenge voites.

For the record, I have abandoned the elixir analysis as it is too confusing an issue to be usable.

Lynching me D1 is epic village fail here.

this post reeks of scumminess

Sorry. See the posts that follow. I respoond specifically to each argument when he puts them in a more user friendly format.

Its a crapo attack based my supposed following of other people when it was obvious I did no such thing (not anymore than any of the other pro-town players).

It is escpecially bad because there are several players that clearly did so in actuality; however I only find one of them potentially scummy which is

Sironi

. I am waiting for more on his meta from Zwet.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well lets say you are right and everyone is enthralled with your wonderful argument...

I will promise not to use it if:

1) You promise to bring that stupid argument up again
2) Provide some real analysis on someone towards actually catching SCUM today

9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

No. This is the fallacy of your argument. You either promise not to bring it up again and really scumhunt if you want to me to make any kind of promise.

This is just a thinly veiled attempt on your part to justify your vote on an otherwise baseless lynch case.

[Lamont_Cranston]

("skeptisizm" is French for "speculation")

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Fine if that makes you feel justified then you can know that:

1) You advocated a total crap, baseless and childish reason for my lynch
2) Refused to back away from it when given a legitimate opportunity to do so

Based on the above, I cannot be held responsible for your actions.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Fine if that makes you feel justified then you can know that:

1) You advocated a total crap, baseless and childish reason for my lynch
2) Refused to back away from it when given a legitimate opportunity to do so

Based on the above, I cannot be held responsible for your actions.

Did you want to promise you won't use the devil sign any more?

Because if not, let it be noted that you're avoiding the very simple thing I asked of you, whilst trying very hard to demean my character (I'm "baseless" and "childish" for demanding you prove you're not sworn to the devil horns? ok!)

So,

if you want me to promise not to use that stupid smiley

, did you want to promise:

1) Not to bring up that dumb argument ever again
2) Provide some serious analysis to actually find scum today

hmmmm?

Because otherwise ur just trying to come up with a cheap excuse for a lynch vote.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have received no information on its use only (originally) that it appeared to be an ordinary shell that was just warm to the touch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

There were no instructions for giving it away. I have PM'ed the Mod.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just got another PM. I'm not allowed to drop or transfer the shell. There is some kind of magnetic power that it is holding it to me.

I am starting to get burns on my flesh and the sulphur smell is getting worse.

ithurtsithurtsithurts

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't really see your case on Naomi. What do you think about

Sironi

for opportunistic inconsistency or at least

Nueva

for majorly lurking?

[Lamont_Cranston]

The above post is @Xtoxm

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Fine if that makes you feel justified then you can know that:

1) You advocated a total crap, baseless and childish reason for my lynch
2) Refused to back away from it when given a legitimate opportunity to do so

Based on the above, I cannot be held responsible for your actions.

Did you want to promise you won't use the devil sign any more?

Because if not, let it be noted that you're avoiding the very simple thing I asked of you, whilst trying very hard to demean my character (I'm "baseless" and "childish" for demanding you prove you're not sworn to the devil horns? ok!)

So,

if you want me to promise not to use that stupid smiley

, did you want to promise:

1) Not to bring up that dumb argument ever again
2) Provide some serious analysis to actually find scum today

hmmmm?

Because otherwise ur just trying to come up with a cheap excuse for a lynch vote.

You are in no position to try and negotiate right now. I'm not going to set myself up to be accused that my "analysis" is not "serious" by someone who I don't trust.

Dewd, you don't understand. YOU have a crap argument. You either come across with mutual promises are you suffer with your crap argument.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Now Zwet supposedly has meta on

Sironi

that says he's scum here.

Otherwise, in my book there is only Pablo. I really het rolefishing and he wanted to have

fun

with the elixir... 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Fine if that makes you feel justified then you can know that:

1) You advocated a total crap, baseless and childish reason for my lynch
2) Refused to back away from it when given a legitimate opportunity to do so

Based on the above, I cannot be held responsible for your actions.

Did you want to promise you won't use the devil sign any more?

Because if not, let it be noted that you're avoiding the very simple thing I asked of you, whilst trying very hard to demean my character (I'm "baseless" and "childish" for demanding you prove you're not sworn to the devil horns? ok!)

So,

if you want me to promise not to use that stupid smiley

, did you want to promise:

1) Not to bring up that dumb argument ever again
2) Provide some serious analysis to actually find scum today

hmmmm?

Because otherwise ur just trying to come up with a cheap excuse for a lynch vote.

You are in no position to try and negotiate right now. I'm not going to set myself up to be accused that my "analysis" is not "serious" by someone who I don't trust.

Dewd, you don't understand. YOU have a crap argument. You either come across with mutual promises are you suffer with your crap argument.

Whatever. Even the player who supposedly thinks I'm scummy has no problem with my argument. It's fine, my vote will stand.

Well then, choosing popularity over substance. If it makes you feel better, you have at it but you can't hold ME responsible -- I tried to let you out of the crap, you just refused to leave it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Quit whining. If you're so obsessed over some stupid smiley idea then just promise not to bring up the stupid crap anymore and start doing some real game analysis. Whining doesn't help anything.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I glanced through at Sir, I really don't get a feel either way yet.

I have no reason to trust Zwet's opinion, in the game I played with him, I don't think any of his suspects were scum. No offense.

Oh I see. I'm inclined to believe you over him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well it's not exactly a case as such, she simply looked like newbie scum to me, and clearly I was not the only one to hold this opinion. I did not make a case against her, the others simply shared the same thoughts.

I haven't noticed anything scummy from Nueva. Admittedly, I haven't really noticed him at all. But he says he has exams, I have exams atm too, and I know how tough it is, it can really impede on your games (and i'm just

asking

to fail, seeing as I have an exam tomorrow...Ugh, need more motivation...). So i'm happy to let that slide.

Sir, i've played with before. He was town, and I read him as such, but a lot of people thought he was scum. That seems to be happening here too. I don't have much of a read on him yet tbh.

I agree with the newb part but I don't get the scum part. However, if you apply the same analysis to

Sironi

I think it holds more merit.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Fine. You use crapologic attacks, you suffer the results. I already understand you chose not to listen.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I glanced through at Sir, I really don't get a feel either way yet.

I have no reason to trust Zwet's opinion, in the game I played with him, I don't think any of his suspects were scum. No offense.

You know they say that spies are caught more often by them already believing they were caught when no suspicion was actually on them -- they act out which is actually the cause of them getting caught.

This is the "better" case I have on

Sironi

applying the same logic as you have on Naomi. See, he constantly changed his views

without

any voting pressure whereas Naomi seemed to just panic and lose control under voting pressure, whereas before that pressure she sounded logical and fine. I think that's the major difference here and it's why I lean more towards newb-scum on

Sironi

and newb-town on Naomi.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Fine. You use crapologic attacks, you suffer the results. I already understand you chose not to listen.

I think Steph vote was unreasonable when first placed. But why are you so resistant on not using said symbol?

Interesting question. Of course its a trick question.

"If you answer a fool according to his ways, you become like unto him"

I'm resistant to a crapologic argument which has no merit. She is unwilling to make the least concession that would allow me to accept her argument, therefore she must suffer the results. I tried to help her, she just wouldn't listen.

[Lamont_Cranston]

For some reason I thought the other wagon was on Sir, not PM. I'm not sure what I think of PM, I can take a look.

He is almost a lurker. Add that to my list of grievances. He is my number one lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well that's only because you led the way on a pro-town view which I had never considered. As soon as I saw it I agreed my view was flawed.

CORRECTION: PM volunteered to drink the elixir LATE. My position has been that he adopted that position as a cover.

[Lamont_Cranston]

NO -- you took FOREVER to finally come around and volunteer. I know because I took notes. You had plenty of opportunity to volunteer before that but waited until after it was in vogue.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL whoops. I was so blinded by his name this whole time I thought he was female. Oh my I'm so sorry.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont wrote:
He is almost a lurker. Add that to my list of grievances. He is my number one lynch.


Er, if you noticed, I didn't post in any of my games except the very small one I was in...

This is pointing to Pablo, not you Sironi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, whether or not you agreed with my thinking (and you do make some good points), you might try being suspicious of people who withheld their votes or were wishy-washy about them

without clearly explaining themselves every step of the way

like I did, but whatever.

On the contrary, I find you more suspicious because of your explanations and reasons that you give. The fact that you stated on more than one occasion that it was your intention not to vote until something specific had passed is what I find scummy. Unless you thought it would be impossible to form suspicions until after, I see no reason why you would declare that you wouldn't be voting. No one else claimed that they wouldn't be voting like you did.

Ok, I just did a re-read starting from when Ho came back (approx pg. 27). I see more your argument against Stepho. It is a more subtle scum-tell related argument. I will do an isolation on stepho as some of his defense can be tracked back to his earlier behavior. I am sensing a contradiction here but I need to verify it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Before the drink was consumed:

The point is that, more often than not, scumhunting is unsuccessful before anything really happens in the game. On Day One, unless something like this comes up, all there is is talking...and it has been my experience that the player acting scummiest is usually just a townie playing poorly that everyone can justify lynching. I am looking past the arguments of what the drink may or may not do to any one player, and looking at the big picture of more effective scumhunting starting right now.

and after the drink was consumed:

I agree we should be careful with voting until we understand what the drink did. I for one will not be casting any vote until we find out what the effects were, or when it becomes very clear that we're not going to.

As for withholding my vote...we have plenty of time, why vote until we have all the information (i.e. what the drink did and who was affected by it)? Although I think eventually I gave in once Lamont wouldn't answer the question about the devil smiley.

While you make some good points here about voting and why scum would be reluctant to do it, I have already placed my vote and explained exactly why...so don't accuse me of wanting to sit back and wait for a wagon, because that's not what I did.

I just wanted to make sure we figured out what was going on with the drink before we complicated things with voting...and I wanted to make sure our eventual lynch would be an informed one, with the knowledge of what (if anything) the drink had done.

Well, I've provided several reasons: I thought it would be best to concentrate on the drink issue and have everyone participate before muddying the waters with votes flying around, and I did not want a lynch to put an end to the day without knowing what was going on with the drink. Also, if I were trying to get away with something, I would not have announced it and then have suspicions such as yours come up. Perhaps I should have handled things differently, but that doesn't mean I'm scummy.

Completely clear, no contradictions, a perfect defense.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Even if I was allowed to give it away I wouldn't. Based on how the first item worked and how this one is looking, I don't expect to be any volunteers either.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just got another PM. I am now writhing on the ground screaming in pain.

Set's argument does look stronger on stepho & now that I think of it, Replace did briefly mention the "covering tracks" angle.

I know am now willing to admit that Stepho could be scum here.

Two other BW choices in my book:

1) Pablo -- Rolefishing & having "fun" with the elixir.
2) Nueva Vida -- Semi-lurking i.e. no post content

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, I have already stated that I am not happy with the Naomi vote. I consider it anti-town as I see her as inexperienced village.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Set's argument does look stronger on stepho & now that I think of it, Replace did briefly mention the "covering tracks" angle.

I know am now willing to admit that Stepho could be scum here.

Two other BW choices in my book:

1) Pablo -- Rolefishing & having "fun" with the elixir.
2) Nueva Vida -- Semi-lurking i.e. no post content

ARRRGH!

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unfortunately at this point I have to scream with every post.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

unvote

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Dam bastard modding. :/

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Were prods sent out?

Yes.

I don't like how you're pressuring people to just vote. Sounds to much as forcing a quick lynch IMO.

As for the current events. Since Lamont is more likely to be dieing if I may presume that there's no need to lynch him. I find the case on Naomi and Steph very weak.

So for now

vote:The Replacement

For above said argument.

A quick lynch? Do you realize there are less than two days before deadline and anything less than ten votes for one player will result in a No Lynch? If Lamont_Cranston isn't the lynch today then we don't even have half the number of required votes yet to lynch anyone today.

I just did the math on Pablo & nobody seems up for a lurker lynch so:

Unvote, Vote Stepho

Mod Votecount puhleeeze

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Even though the item HAS hurt the town, it was necessary to prove your theory right or wrong. So I hold your theory as pro-town Xtoxm.

You cannot really believe that we'd see this as a pro-town point of view, can you? Rationalizing a theory (through bad logic) based on the result is an incredibly weak reason to give somebody pro-town points. I would further argue that it's helped the town much much much more than it hurt it. We have Hohum for 2 game days, and we know he's confirmed town; so your initial point is flawed from the get-go.

This is so hilarious as it is the SAME view you adopted!! Omgosh, I can't believe how bad your logic has become lately...

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

I disagree heavily with a lynch on Stepho, and I don't see the case for Devestation either. Setael, SK, LC and to a lesser extent Pablo/Naomi would be my choices for a lynch today, and we do need a lynch. I'm hoping that the shell will just flat out kill LC at the end of the day, so I won't press that as much as I normally would at this point (or sooner if I had the time).

With that hope, as well as seeing Steph/Naomi both "tied" at 4 votes a piece and my view on Steph, I will

This is interesting. I've never seen you lay out a case against Naomi. Let's hear it.

And on your very weak and convoluted attacks on me, I think you just have "Hatin On Lamont" disease.

ARRRGH

[Lamont_Cranston]

There are 3 people not voting:

Neuva Lurkvida
Zwet
Devastaion

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think the Naomi wagon is so bad. :/

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Naomi is at L-2.

ARRRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Naomi Claim YO!

ARRRGH!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Naomi, please claim.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Naomi, this means if you have a power role please name it so the village will not lynnch you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Naomi, you are at L-1 please claim your role if you fel it is an important one in any way.

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Even though the item HAS hurt the town, it was necessary to prove your theory right or wrong. So I hold your theory as pro-town Xtoxm.

You cannot really believe that we'd see this as a pro-town point of view, can you? Rationalizing a theory (through bad logic) based on the result is an incredibly weak reason to give somebody pro-town points. I would further argue that it's helped the town much much much more than it hurt it. We have Hohum for 2 game days, and we know he's confirmed town; so your initial point is flawed from the get-go.

This is so hilarious as it is the SAME view you adopted!! Omgosh, I can't believe how bad your logic has become lately...

Bullshit that's the same viewpoint that I adopted. The way you wrote it said that it was a pro-town because it PROVED HIS THEORY RIGHT.

Does anyone understand what the hell he is trying to say here. As usual with most every one one of his arguments against me, this makes no sense.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

OK WE NEED PEOPLE OFF HER OR A CC NAO!

If this claim is true the

Stepho

lynch is looking good about now.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

You said your 775 is the same viewpoint that I held. It is not the same as you put forth in 775 because I view it to be pro-town for different reasons than you do, and I further argue that your 775 "logic" is flawed.

1) Explain how using one item proves Xtoxm's theory.
2) I think that the item (while could've been better placed) still helped the town more than it hurt it that you stated in 775.

I can't get much simpler than that for you.

Dewd as usual with your arguments about me you are totally confused. He was pro-town for suggesting the idea and it doesn't matter what the item actually did the idea remains a pro-town idea. Thats why YOU AND ME switched to his dam idea. WAT R U THIK!?

Man I wish you would go back to your logical self already.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is so excellent info for the village. I am loving this.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

What are your powers if you are indeed Trilby?

I will give more only if more requests are made

Sorry Naomi but soft claims are not allowed you must make the full claim.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

How surprising, the absolute easiest role to fakeclaim. And look--Lamont's calling to give away the real Trilby, or lynch me, either of which would be bad!

(Yes, there's a chance Naomi's claim is legit, but it's a very small one in my opinion. 19 players in the game, and the obvious fakeclaim for anyone who's done a bit of research just so happens to come up first)

You seem to forget that the chances of Trilby ACTUALLY being in this game are VERY high.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

How surprising, the absolute easiest role to fakeclaim. And look--Lamont's calling to give away the real Trilby, or lynch me, either of which would be bad!

(Yes, there's a chance Naomi's claim is legit, but it's a very small one in my opinion. 19 players in the game, and the obvious fakeclaim for anyone who's done a bit of research just so happens to come up first)

You seem to forget that the chances of Trilby ACTUALLY being in this game are VERY high.

ARRRGH!

Do I? That's actually the crux of my argument. Players are believing her, she's hoping to get the real Trilby to come out, and you are actually encouraging that.

Well if she is fake claiming then the real Trilby can make the determination on whether to come out or not but if so then we 100% will catch scum because of it. I can't make anyone CC.

ARRRGH

[Lamont_Cranston]

Then I'm W2B you being clearer. His only "theory" was the battle of the items. He argued heavily for use of the item, but not on theory, but because of the usefulness of general knowledge. That never was presented as a theory, and I always viewed it to be an argument rather than a theory about this game.

With you saying that it

"hurt the town, but it was necessary to prove xtoxm right or wrong

", you can't even say that it proved him right or wrong, he was right or wrong without the item, so you didn't need to, and shouldn't have brought it up in the same sentence at all.

Man your crapologic disease just keeps on spreading. If you look at my post you will see I said not prove Xtoxm right or wrong but his dam theory! You seriously need to give it a rest you are whey out of kilter...

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Yes I know lamont, but there are some things I don't trust, I wanted more people to way in...

But with the truth out there it might be easier to find the real scum....

Trilby power's are Immune to night kill

This sounds like a horsecrap claim.

ARRRGH!

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just got another PM.

Sorry folks this looks like my last ability to post.

The shell is now literally burning into my flesh.

GG village!

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vote Stepho

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, Vote Naomi

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vote Naomi

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[/quote]

[Lamont_Cranston]

Take Shotgun

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just woke up and I can barely even see but I need to write this right now...

Whoever visited me last night (if you haven't already claimed), for obvious reasons, DON'T CLAIM.

Apparently I was supposed die but someone visited me last night and touched the shell. I felt a healing light and now the shell is back to warm to the touch.

I don't believe how anyone can believe Naomi's claim at all. Analysis to follow once I've woke up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The Replacement, Innocent,

impaled and torn apart

Night 1

I'm wondering if the dual kill method means anything...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont - Read the death scene.

The next knock burst the door wide open, splinters flying. The spear flew through the gap, impaling The
Replacement through the heart. As the world went dark, he saw the creature walk up to him, felt it tear him in half...
and then peace.

This implies it's not a double kill.

Lamont, try

Loading

that gun?

Also, no lynch was horrible. I think we should look at who didn't bother to vote.

I ws thinking maybe the forces of evil might have joined somehow. I'm just noting it since the kill report

does

have

two

specified kill methods.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Tall man might be an SK (or two NK's for 1 group?). Two groups actually still lines up with probably a ~2 person scumgroup centered around the tall man and perhaps the welder. The other group is probably the order of blessed agonies, no clue as to how many would have to be in there to be balanced.

It was *not* me that helped Lamont, and he's correct, don't out yourself.

It *was* me that protected hohum, so apparently I can keep him alive longer as a confirmed town. Hopefully more analysis late tonight after I get off work.

Nice work on Ho he gets to live longer

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right now I can barely think. Here is a raw data dump of Naomi's claim posts. Its in reverse order and some of it needs some context which I will be researching later.

of course the mod wouldn't want to make this role too powerful...

besides, he did say that this game would be slightly swayed... did he not?

^^^

This statement is BEYOND THE PALE. Trilby is THE NUMBER ONE character. She must die today.

One thing is for sure, we need Naomi to talk more. Answer these questions, please:

1) What made you think it would be assumed that your role included a 1-shot cop?

2) When asked directly if your only ability was NK immune, why did you say yes when you are supposedly a 1-shot cop as well?

3) How many mafia games have you played?

4) Have you ever played a game that had a NK immune role, and did that person have a 1-shot cop ability? Please reference the game unless it is ongoing.

1- Trilby is the hero, main character who continues through the game... investigating and unraveling the entire storyline to find the culprit.

2-I was answering the first part of his question, not the question as a whole

3- Amished is correct here...

Go ahead and think, I think there's been a lot of people failing to do that throughout the game so far... to many people just jumping in and riding someone's wagon.

Anyone who doesn't feel it's a real claim is free to make their own choices... be it good or bad. You're responsible for your actions in the end...

As I said, I felt it went without saying. My apologies for miss posting because

I felt that it went without saying

Steph I was referring to your post in 1034

It would seem unreal for the mafia to want keep such a player in the game... the longer they keep said player around, the more dangerous it would be for them.

No, It went without saying before...

@amished bulletproof/1-shot cop

@steph Why wouldn't the mafia want Trilby out of the picture, day one?

Major FoS: Steph

So you're saying you expected a cop like role as well?

^^^^

There is NO WAY she asks this question if her PM said 1-shot Cop. She must die today.

Trilby is the protagonist in 3? of the 4 games. So he's very much so a main pro-town character just out of the theme.

@

Naomi: You're only NK-proof? That's all?

Correct Amished

Lets see them step forward then...
Wouldn't scum want Trilby gone?

Yes I know lamont, but there are some things I don't trust, I wanted more people to way in...

But with the truth out there it might be easier to find the real scum....

Trilby power's are Immune to night kill

You think there's much of a chance anyone else will be waying in before the deadline tonight?

Claim Trilby

There is even more damning evidence in the actual threads, I can smell it. This is just a spur-of-the-moment fake claim that was fleshed out in real-time in the threads themselves.

So until I can do a deeper analysis:

Vote Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, do you think going after someone that has claimed to be a power role (the freakin' hero of the Chzo games) to be a

good

idea? I do admit, the "NK-immune" thing gets me worried that it could just be her explaining her NK-immunity if she is indeed scum, but it could also be a complete and total mistake to throw a way one of our advantages (in a game the mod openly said is stacked against us).

I would agree with you which is why I voted Stepho at first but there is no way her claim is genuine here.

This statement is BEYOND THE PALE. Trilby is THE NUMBER ONE character. She must die today.

Really?

I can respect that the mod wants to make the town balanced

, so Naomi's statement isn't OUTRAGEOUS enough to elicit RANDOM CAPS, imo.

Whaaat?? Do you not understand how theme games work?? Trilby is the CENTRAL character of the ENTIRE GAME. There is NO WAY Trilby is just UNK (UNK is a very common scum roleclaim) and that's it -- oh ya whoops let's throw in the 1-shot Cop (which someone else mentioned first). Your defense here is so very suspicious and backs up my initial opinion of your role-fishing.

Firm FoS Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

I just got out of the shower and while I was in there I did some thinking. I have great news for the village.

The problem with a burning shell that you can't give to anyone is that the village cannot get additional info from a daykill, which would suck.

So:

The shell does not burn and I can give it to whomever I want.

Now it is obvious that this will be a one-shot day vig operation. Normally when a day-vig claims the village directs the kill. Therefore I think we all need to give our input on who needs to be shot today. We need to day-vig

before

we lynch, and lynch based on what we learn.

My input is to vig

Naomi

and if she flips scum, to then lynch Pablo.

Oh and in case cries should ensue regarding my faking on the burning of the shell etc.:

What do you think the mafi would do to a person they knew was carrying a vig item?

That's when I realized I needed to do

something

to make them see the item as non-threatening to them. Eventually I formulated the "burning shell" idea and realized there was no way I could be a threat to them that way.

Also, there was no night visitor.

Let's kick some ass today!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, I think that's retarded, and you shouldn't have done it, but I think you're town.

Naomi needs to give her result before we do anything.

I thought

very

hard about it. Scum hate vigs with a passion. My holding a shell would be a huge threat to them and I would be an

obvious

target.

If you held the shell I would suspect you would of thought differently. You have to put yourself in my shoes.

[Lamont_Cranston]

And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

Don't think that I forgot that yesterday you were saying you were going to vote for either me or Naomi...and while I understand Lamont's position, I relentlessly attacked Naomi's claim yesterday.

Correct. When she flips scum, you're obv-town.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod, votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here is post 1101 for easy reference.

One thing is for sure, we need Naomi to talk more. Answer these questions, please:

1) What made you think it would be assumed that your role included a 1-shot cop?

2) When asked directly if your only ability was NK immune, why did you say yes when you are supposedly a 1-shot cop as well?

3) How many mafia games have you played?

4) Have you ever played a game that had a NK immune role, and did that person have a 1-shot cop ability? Please reference the game unless it is ongoing.

1- Trilby is the hero, main character who continues through the game... investigating and unraveling the entire storyline to find the culprit.

2-I was answering the first part of his question, not the question as a whole

3- Amished is correct here...

[Lamont_Cranston]

As I posted in 1101, I was replying to the first half of amished's question, not all of it...

Could you please cite the proper post as 1101 doesn't even address the original questions that were posed in that quote.

Amished gave me the best option apart from completely leaving it out of the claim.

Why didn't you just quote your role as given? Its not as hard as you are making it -- of course

fabricating

a role is much more difficult

I don't believe how anyone can believe Naomi's claim at all. Analysis to follow once I've woke up.

OK WE NEED PEOPLE OFF HER OR A CC NAO!

If this claim is true the

Stepho

lynch is looking good about now.

ARRRGH!

Complete contradicting statements.. You have said your read was townie before, but you wait until after day 1 to peruse a case against me? Which doesn't make sense since you virtually ignored other peoples claims on me till now...

Normally the village forces a claim at L-1 and either lynches or votes elsewhere depending on the claim. I was inclined to believe your original claim but when you added onto it and came out with the

absurd

statement the Mod wouldn't have Trilby full decked out with powers because of

game balance

, that was the last straw. You need to be shot today before the standard village lynch.

I don't like how you lied about the shell... I was pretty sure it wasn't going to kill you, but I didn't think you were lying about it... Now that I do, that's extremely scummy. You are trying to control the game...

As scum I can understand that you would be mad about it because now the village has a day vig for today

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

Ok, so if the village decides to vig Naomi then you're going ot go along with that right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

Ok, so if the village decides to vig Naomi then you're going ot go along with that right?

(I'm just documenting the fact that Nyx just browsed this forum and did not answer the above question)

[Lamont_Cranston]

If the village decides to vig Naomi, I'd want to say that I screwed up due to not being used to un-NK-able players. My role PM says that my protections last the night and the following day, and since I forgot (literally) that Naomi was nk-immune, I protected her due to having a non-CC'd claim. I PM'd KoC and dayvigs or items with killing properties if picked up by somebody I protected will no longer kill. Other effects (probably *like* Lamont's posting restriction) will still take place, but dayvigs or items that kill won't work. Since I stupidly protected Naomi, a dayvig will *not* work on her. If you want to test it, fine. If you want to use a dayvig and actually kill somebody, I'll admit to using some of my protections on both hohum and Naomi. Neither dayvig will work on either of them. I don't want to see something so potentially useful wasted. Like I said, if you want to test my ability, gfi. Otherwise use it on somebody that will actually die from a vigging.

My protections don't affect lynch numbers though, nor protect against a lynch. Just vigs/mod(item) kills.

I do apologize, though I probably wouldn't have protected either of the NK's last night, so it didn't really matter because of that.

I do want to point out that since hohum's life was extended for a day (and I lived), they don't have a roleblocker (either faction/player in the case of an SK). I will be safe and be able to prevent the reality shift when that happens as I'll use one of my protections on myself for sure until that time just help out the most.

Waaaaat? Explain how with your role you can do TWO things at once? Protect BOTH Naomi AND Ho?? And You're more powerful than Trilby!??

'Splain naaaaao!

[Lamont_Cranston]

If the village decides to vig Naomi, I'd want to say that I screwed up due to not being used to un-NK-able players. My role PM says that my protections last the night and the following day, and since

I forgot (literally) that Naomi was nk-immune,

I protected her due to having a non-CC'd claim.

I don't like this. That's all I'm going to say.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod, please prod:

Sironi, Tajo, Shadow Knight, Hohum, Nueva, Setael, AJ

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm right here. What would you like?

Post thoughts, analysis, scum hunt, stop lurking?

[Lamont_Cranston]

The only people that didn't vote yesterday were:

Devastation
Nueva Vida

I would be willing to vig

Nueva Vida

on principle.

One possible analysis might be the three existing BW's from yesterday:

Lamont_Cranston
Naomi
Stephoscope

[Lamont_Cranston]

Would vigging Naomi really work if she's un-nightkillable? I don't know why but I feel like it's actually against all offensives other than lynch.

Vig would definitely work except for possibly Amish Ed's "terrible memory".

So Amished is more powerful than Naomi? Hum.

Hum

Anyone care for a mass full role claim, since we're in the spirit of claiming?

WAT!? NO!

FoS Sironigous

I agree, we should vig somebody and lynch Naomi.

Vote Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod Votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, do you think a mass role claim would be more beneficial for scum? Heh.

I mean, right now we supposedly have 2 major roles that have claimed already. Hm.

Sorry, don't you mean

one

major role?

Please don't tel me you

actually

believe Naomi's claim??

I find you to be

very

suspicious. As of the time of this post you are on my scum list.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Errrm...:

Bottle of Chzo's Blood found, consumed by hohum

Ummm...

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is the first randomised item drop of the game. Items can be publicly taken only. First come, first served. Please remember that day-drop items must be used THAT DAY, or not at all.

Please note that with the shell it was specifically stated that it did

not

have to be used that day.

Regardless of the status of the shotgun, we need to use it today at least to try to make up for the NL yesterday. 9.9

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here is the raw votecount dump from yesterday.

Vote Count

UnofficialRulerofEveryone - 1 (Nyx)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (Sajin)
hohum - 1 (Pablo Molinero)
Sajin - 2 (Amished, hohum)
Naomi_Saotome - 3 (Xtoxm, unpopulartajo, Alabaska J)
Pablo Molinero - 3 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome, Pyromaniac)

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 1 (Sajin)
hohum - 1 (Pablo Molinero)
Sajin - 2 (Amished, hohum)
Naomi_Saotome - 5 (Xtoxm, unpopulartajo, Sironigous, NuevaVida, Devestation,
Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)

Now Ho comes back and drinks.

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 6 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Devestation, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 5 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, NuevaVida, Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 6 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Devestation, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 4 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)
Stephoscope - 1 (The Replacement)

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 6 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Devestation, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 4 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)
Stephoscope - 1 (The Replacement)
Devestation - 1 (Setael)

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 4 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac)
Pablo Molinero - 2 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome)
Stephoscope - 3 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael)

Vote Count

Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Sajin, hohum, Amished, Pablo Molinero, Stephoscope)
Naomi_Saotome - 4 (Xtoxm, populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac)
Stephoscope - 4 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Lamont_Cranston)
The Replacement - 1 (Nyx)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 38 hours.

Vote Count

Naomi_Saotome - 5 (populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac, Sajin, Stephoscope)
Stephoscope - 5 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Lamont_Cranston, Xtoxm)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (hohum, Pablo Molinero)
The Replacement - 1 (Nyx)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 26 hours and 23 minutes.

Vote Count

Stephoscope - 6 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Lamont_Cranston, Xtoxm, Amished)
Naomi_Saotome - 6 (populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac, Sajin, Stephoscope, Alabaska J)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (hohum, Pablo Molinero)
The Replacement - 1 (Nyx)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 25 hours and 38 minutes.

Vote Count

Stephoscope - 6 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Lamont_Cranston, Xtoxm, Amished)
Naomi_Saotome - 5 (populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac, Sajin, Stephoscope, Alabaska J)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (hohum, Pablo Molinero)
The Replacement - 1 (Nyx)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 24 hours and 15 minutes

Vote Count

Stephoscope - 6 (The Replacement, Shadow Knight, Setael, Xtoxm, Amished, Nyx)
Naomi_Saotome - 6 (populartajo, Sironigous, Pyromaniac, Sajin, Stephoscope, Alabaska J, Lamont_Cranston)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (hohum, Pablo Molinero)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (Naomi_Saotome)

10 to lynch. Deadline in 1 hour.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, Vote Sironi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, I think those that don't believe Naomi's claim should be voting her but that we should vig

before

we lynch.

I don't like how Nyx didn't answer about being compliant to town wishes for the day vig... Had I gotten the shotgun I would of been sorely tempted to just shoot Naomi but I would of waited and let the town direct my shot.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well blue votes is for the dayvig and regular bold is for lynching.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

Ok, so if the village decides to vig Naomi then you're going ot go along with that right?

(I'm just documenting the fact that Nyx just browsed this forum and did not answer the above question)

Ball's in your court Nyx...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Questions for Lamont:

Was your post restriction (only being able to vote and say ARGH) given to you by the mod or did you fabricate that?

100% fabricated.

Depending on the answer, I have a lot more questions.

@Everyone who is voting to vig Naomi - do you not believe Amished when he says he has protected her for today and a vig of her would not work?

For the record I believe him although he is so suspicious for so many reasons...

As bad as Naomi's claim was, there is a chance it was due to her being a newbie rather than being scum. I am still undecided about her. She certainly needs to be posting more.

@Naomi: Who did you investigate last night and what was the result? Also, why are you in this game if you have not completed a newbie game?

Frankly, if this really is her very first game ever, I think she should be replaced rather than vigged or lynched. If she really is Trilby and just screwed up her claim due to newbishness, it is quite unfair for the town.

I don't think a person can be newbie enough to not be able to read a role PM -- however

scum trying to FABRICATE a role claim would

very easily

mess it up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Nyx/Lamont: If Naomi is the overall choice to be dayvigged, I ask that you allow me to post before actually going through with it for this day phase.

I never suggested to use the 1 shot day vig on Naomi. I don't find her scummy. Even though it mentioned I got the shotgun I didn't get a PM or anything about it.

Ok but you understand that the village needs to direct where the shotgun blast goes today correct?

Of course. It's basically an extra lynch but without the night phase.

Ok, so if the village decides to vig Naomi then you're going ot go along with that right?

(I'm just documenting the fact that Nyx just browsed this forum and did not answer the above question)

Ball's in your court Nyx...

I already said I would vig the person who has the most votes. What do you want to hear more ? You're pushing something I already agreed on. How ironic you were doing the same with Steph.
But would you ? Would you let yourself get killed if you got the most votes ?

I will be giving you the shotgun shell today Nix. Thank you for responding.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm here and have started reading

Have there been any roleclaims?

There has been one false claim as Trilby (NAOMI) and one half-claim (AMISHED) which seems to be true in part but sounds suspiciously made-up in part as well.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont: Yes, I forgot. How often are you a doc, and have the only person to claim D1 be NK-immune? If you really want to test it, go ahead and shoot her if the combo really is a dayvig item (which I believe it to be). I'm saying that it won't work (but if you really want to lynch a claimed Trilby when I can protect a CC, go right ahead.)

Also, since your "argh" was fabricated, what did you expect to accomplish by not contributing to discussion at deadline nor being "able" to comment on roleclaims that would come out at the time? Certainly nobody pro-town would claim to have "saved" you, nobody scum would've unless it was real and they did. The only possible outcome was that a scumbuddy said they healed you "clearing" both of you. This was singularly unhelpful in one of the most important times of the game so far.

@Steph: There's really not much more to my role. I'm obviously hiding the number of protections I have (though it's clearly at least two if you try to day-vig naomi and it doesn't work, and hohum got a day added onto his life). I'm multi-protection until the reality shift.

The only time the reality shift was brought up was in relation to me giving up protections later on in the game. All my PM said was that I can give up (certain number) of my protections to prevent a reality shift, and that it'll be pretty obvious because of the narration that will occur (I'm assuming something much like the item posts, but a bit more in depth).

@Lamont: What of my claim do you not believe?

1) Regarding the flavor of your role, can you please disclose why you haven't given any? I think there may be a direct link to this and why there has been no CC.

2) Sorry, I had to make sure I lived to carry the shell safely into the day.

3) You did some "oops I forgot, let me add this" just as Naomi did. I will have to look it up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok. Amished thank you. The only way we have no CC here is if the real Trilby is unwilling to expose themselves for a crap claim. SO Naomi now has to live until we get a CC...

* facepalm *

I am now totally lost here and after 15 hours of work, I need to sleep.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Im catching up as fast as I can. Ill catch up progressively.

Lamont, why Naomi claim is false?

Who has what items and why?

Mod, mass prod please.

The Mod doesn't do mass-prods -- you have to name each person individually.

[Lamont_Cranston]

yes, keep going...

[Lamont_Cranston]

psssst.... you can thank me for the shell later.

[Lamont_Cranston]

How did it survive 'till today intact? It IS an obvious vig item right, a SHOTGUN shell...??

[Lamont_Cranston]

How did it survive 'till today intact? It IS an obvious vig item right, a SHOTGUN shell...??

I don't think it's an obvious anything. There's been entirely too much WIFOM speculation about what items might do and whether someone who chooses to use an item is/isn't scum.

Ok fine. I'm just giving you my motivations for what I did. You say it makes me prob scum. I did it to help the town. Everybody believed the shell actually did burn and I didn't need to reveal that I lied.

I of course revealed it because the shotgun was dropped.

There won't be any speculation. We will be using the shell today on someone.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well, we have two day deaths today. Let's make sure we hit scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think everyone should post their top two-three scum suspects and a blue vote for the vig and a bolded vote for the lynch.

My two top suspects are:

Sironi

Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw,

Vote Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Pablo:

1) Rolefished before Ho drank the elixir & exhibited lack of regard for town safety wanting to "have fun" by having the town to drink it.

2) He mentions the "Tall Man" out of the blue being the first one to do so; this

could

be because he knows the role as scum.

3) I also noticed how he

very

quickly reversed himself on the Naomi vote.

I don't have much to go on in this game. The lack of a D1 lynch has left me somewhat stymied.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, this day vig is

very

important so everybody should be voting or expressing opinions etc.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok, good idea.

Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

With my ... semi-confirmed state of being pro-town and attacking you rather heavily the scum would think that you're still a good candidate for a mislynch (from their POV), uncertainty about items overall (even a shotgun shell) would both lend to the idea that you shouldn't have thought that you were going to be NK'd.

FAIL. A shotgun shell is a

huge

threat to scum; they will fight to keep the village from getting a vig shot. There is

no way

they will let a shotgun shell through so that in the day it can be used against them.

What the hell was really going through your head, Lamont?

I had a big red bullseye on my back; I was 100% the NK that night if I didn't do

something

; due to my actions the town now has a day vig today. I did what I had to do to help the town, as was my responsibility.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Questions for Lamont:

Was your post restriction (only being able to vote and say ARGH) given to you by the mod or did you fabricate that?

Depending on the answer, I have a lot more questions.

@Everyone who is voting to vig Naomi - do you not believe Amished when he says he has protected her for today and a vig of her would not work?

As bad as Naomi's claim was, there is a chance it was due to her being a newbie rather than being scum. I am still undecided about her. She certainly needs to be posting more.

@Naomi: Who did you investigate last night and what was the result? Also, why are you in this game if you have not completed a newbie game?

Frankly, if this really is her very first game ever, I think she should be replaced rather than vigged or lynched. If she really is Trilby and just screwed up her claim due to newbishness, it is quite unfair for the town.

(Sorry for the brief absence...)

No I did not investigate, although I was tempted to... I decided to wait till tonight because I want the town's input on my choice...

I don't care what anyone says. My vote is staying with Naomi. I don't care if she is Trilby with NUKE POWERS.

Unvote, Vote Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Amish Ed:

I don't see your case on Devastation. He has been very consistent. The only thing I've noticed against him is that he didn't vote yesterday.

I don't think he should be lynched or vigged.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod: Votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No I did not investigate, although I was tempted to... I decided to wait till tonight because I want the town's input on my choice...

...are you serious?

You were basically one of the top D1 lynch candidates yet you give up the major chance to help the town in even a little way.

sick.

Vote: Naomi

---

On that note, Lamont, why is a mass role claim bad at this point even if we have only 1 major role out?

Mods generally make the game unbreakable due to mass claim early on so in this case, being only D2 it will most likely only help the scum to win.

Mass claim is better when we have more info about the scum & town and when we are closer to end game.

[Lamont_Cranston]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Summary of the latter part of the day from those of us that were busy, plz?

Also, looks like we're up against both the Tall Man and DeFoe. Lovely. Hopefully they're rival factions, but I doubt they're NK-able. And Lamont, for the number of items you're getting, I hope you're on the town's side.

This sounded so like an informed scum trying to gain "I'm hip on this game & I'm townie" points.

Below is "I wuv Naomi":

Lamont, do you think going after someone that has claimed to be a power role (the freakin' hero of the Chzo games) to be a

good

idea? I do admit, the "NK-immune" thing gets me worried that it could just be her explaining her NK-immunity if she is indeed scum, but it could also be a complete and total mistake to throw a way one of our advantages (in a game the mod openly said is stacked against us).

Also, if you're so adamant about this: you have a gun and a bullet. Why not use it?

This statement is BEYOND THE PALE. Trilby is THE NUMBER ONE character. She must die today.

Really? I can respect that the mod wants to make the town balanced, so Naomi's statement isn't OUTRAGEOUS enough to elicit RANDOM CAPS, imo.

There is NO WAY she asks this question if her PM said 1-shot Cop. She must die today.

You're going to have to explain this one, because I ain't getting where you're going with this at all.

Question: who started the rolefishing on Naomi? Can I get a post # for a starting point?

Amished: Good call on the factions. Tall-man could easily be the Brotherhood, while DeFoe/Wielder could be another group of people with the Wielder items. I guess it was just wishful thinking that they would be just one person each.

Whaaat?? Do you not understand how theme games work?? Trilby is the CENTRAL character of the ENTIRE GAME.

Basically, no. This is my first one.

There is NO WAY Trilby is just UNK

Even in a game stacked against us? I don't like your ABSOLUTE certainty here (and RANDOM CAPS).

(UNK is a very common scum roleclaim) and that's it

Proof? Examples? Or are you making things up again? (Genuine question, btw, someone not-Lamont plz answer)

oh ya whoops let's throw in the 1-shot Cop (which someone else mentioned first).

Really? Point against Naomi, then. You know the post number/area where it was first mentioned?

Your defense here is so very suspicious and backs up my initial opinion of your role-fishing.

Oh, cute, you're throwing around buzzwords again. How many times are you going to say that before you give it up. Was. Not. Rolefishing. (And yet, here we are, grilling Naomi about power roles. Irony.) Also, caution =/= defense. You have a decent set of incriminating quotes; Naomi is gonna have to answer for herself.

I need to reread when I have time.

Now I het Naomi:

Thanks for that, Pyro. Yeah, it really, really smacks of a patched-together claim. Amished brings up the cop thing and suddenly it goes into the claim. Damned obvious there, just needed to see it with my own two eyes.

Satael said it best right afterwards:

So then Naomi says to Amished "So you're saying you expected a cop like role as well?" and then POOF! magically she has a cop like role as well and says she's Bulletproof/1-shot cop.

Are we using the shot on her or what? If not:

Vote: Naomi

Now for the rolefishing:

As one who played the games I can see the thought process behind the Chzo theme analysis, but if we operate by that mindset, we'll end up using nothing the entire game! That's no fun. I still think that mafia would be wary to use it, and randomness is skewed towards mafia simply because there are more townies in the game, logically. If we have a vanilla townie volunteer, if it messes with PRs then it won't be that big of a deal.

I admit its not the strongest case. Its all I have. The elixir issue became alot of untraceable nonsense and our D1 was NL.

If someone can come up with a better case on someone else, I'd gladly entertain it but I'm not buying the Devastation argument.

I feel so lost other than the above and the fact that

NAOMI MUST DIE TODAY

.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm a useless idiot making a fluff post with no place in this game, and I'm being warned for it.

[/MOD]

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think Devestation and naomi are both scum. Happy to see either of them die today.

I have been thinking this too, but I have no way to prove it; I only see the obvious signs of it. Its like they are flaunting it in our faces.

I also think Devastation should be vigged. I agree that it is pointless to determine lynch vote until after the vig.

Let's hear the case...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think Devestation and naomi are both scum. Happy to see either of them die today.

I have been thinking this too, but I have no way to prove it; I only see the obvious signs of it. Its like they are flaunting it in our faces.

Ooops. I thought you said

Amish Ed

instead of Devastation. I don't see any case for Devastation.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod: Votecount please.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So... What if we let Naomi live another day for the cop investigation?
There is (supposedly) no way for her to be killed this night, so we do get that investigation.

Unvote

If this does go through, then we take a step forward on town information.

Comments please.

FoS Sironi

Confirm Vig Sironi

Confirm vote Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

He is going to protect you during the DAY?

If you wan't I'll shoot the gun. I don't fear it.

I want to be very clear -- delaying the vig beyond today is the work of scum. Is that what you two are on about?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am against vigging Naomi because I believe she is protected. I have begrudgingly believed it since you announced it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^ I like this guy.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok good.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Nueva Vida has been replaced by Rockta.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Replacements are always better. But those that just make a post every once in awhile with no content *cough* Shadow Knight *cough* to

avoid

replacement -- those are the juicy ones.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

This could be scum ploy to not RB him.

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

I don't want to believe anything he or Naomi have said but how do we explain how Ho is living now 4 days instead of 3?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Third, is there some rule I don't know about that you have to place a "vig-vote thingy?"

No but we need to figure out who to vig and in a timely manner and posting our vig votes is the best way right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Rock:

Just to clarify, your vig vote is Devastation?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Give shell to Nyx

Happy? And while you're at it you can unvote me too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Finally, while scum not roleblocking a claimed powerrole being stupid beyond belief easily leads to the conclusion that they do not have a roleblocker.

Unvote
Vote: Setael

Umm, well what about (QT):

Setael

: Dam, We got a self-protecting Doc how are we going to kill him?

Unnamed Scum RB

: Ya, the only way is to get him lynched...

Setael

: Ok, let's let him do his thing and then hit his claim hard tomorrow because of the fact he should of been blocked (yuk yuk)!

Unnamed Scum

: Set ur brilliant!

I'd be more willing to believe that than a scum slip...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod votecount please

[Lamont_Cranston]

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

@Setael:

Do you see here how you could be falling into a scum trap by thinking this way? On the other hand, if you are correct, how do we explain Ho living an extra day??

So what is the explanation here??

[Lamont_Cranston]

Rock is learning this as soon as Nyx wheys in.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya this "Trilby with no CC" thing is bothering me but I have never seen a worse roleclaim ever. This whole Naomi-Amish Ed thing is just creepy...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-2 (Lamont, Pyro)

Pablo-1.5 (Amished, Setael)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig voting scum:

Nyx, Sironi, Tajo, Stepho, Devastation, Zwet, Rock, AJ, Xtoxm, Pablo, Naomi, Sajin

[Lamont_Cranston]

uh oh, I used red...

Sorry about that :'(

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mod if you can change that to blue in both cases??

[Lamont_Cranston]

That's nice, thanks for sharing. Please vig vote. :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-3 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet)

Pablo-1.5 (Amished, Setael)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig voting scum:

Nyx, Sironi, Tajo, Stepho, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Xtoxm, Pablo, Naomi

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-2.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Sironi, Tajo, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

For all the reasons you just listed, he obviously wasn't talking about naomi.

The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

I see where you're coming from, Xtoxm. The more sironi talks the more I think it really is possible he's just not paying attention. Or not too bright.

@Sironi: Who is this in reference to?

On that note, you are defending everyone else (without reason may I add) I said I thought was scummy.

You cannot make statements like this without explaining it.

Pablo remains my #1 vig choice.

You fail to answer my question regarding this which makes me think I'm correct about it.

FoS Setael

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-2.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Tajo, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok, as far as I can see the case on Sironi is:

1) He claimed Vanillager out of the blue for no reason.
2) Called for mass roleclaim
3) What appeared to be opportunistic changing of policies on the elixir

I don't see a strong case on anyone really. This is mostly because there was no D1 lynch.

I think to find the optimal vig we need to find someone that will yield the most info regardless of what they flip OR who the village feels is the most scummy I guess.

We can use the Vig BW for analysis on the lynch to follow.

*** Everyone must vig vote or you will be lynched. ***

[Lamont_Cranston]

Tajo, the vig comes first before the lynch. Could you please specify a vig vote as well?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)

Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Pablo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw Tajo, I was just thinking that if we lynch the #2 vig suspect it would reveal the most info no?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Sironi-4 (Lamont, Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Setael-1 (Pablo)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here's my comments so far on the vig wagons:

I feel booth the Sironi & Pablo wagons although the evidence seems kind of weak overall.

I actually do feel the Set wagon alot. It really does seem like a night-chat setup on Amished. We have proof that his power works and scum would really want Amish lynched because that's the only way they can kill him (scum love killing an outed Doc).

Therefore based on this:

Unvote, Vote Setael

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)

Sironi-3 (Pyro, Zwet, Naomi)
Setael-2 (Pablo, Lamont)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)

Setael-3 (Pablo, Lamont, Pyro)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Nyx, Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Here are your attacks on Amished. You start slow and ramp it up.

Amished, I have a question for you, too. When you first claimed, why didn't you mention that your role enables you to avoid being blocked by town power roles? the way you tacked it on after really made it sound like you made it up...

---

Something is wrong with your claim. If the protection lasts until the start of the next night, how does it not apply to lynches, which happen BEFORE the next night starts.

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

I'm not saying start a wagon on Amished. I'm just saying his claim is fishy and I'm not considering him confirmed town by any means.

---

The claimed powerrole being spoken of there is Amished's. Does it really make sense that a protown multiprotect doc would not be roleblocked by scum if they had the ability? Either Amished successfully protected naomi (and therefore wasn't blocked) or he's not the reason Naomi was granted an extra day.

Either the scum have no roleblocker or Amished is not really a doc. It's as simple as that. My argument was/is that a doc this overpowered + no scum roleblocker = imbalanced game.

You ignored my pointed question about this which is why I decided to vig-vote you. Could you please address the question below?

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

@Setael:

Do you see here how you could be falling into a scum trap by thinking this way? On the other hand, if you are correct, how do we explain Ho living an extra day??

So what is the explanation here??

Thank you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Pablo-3.5 (Amished, Setael, Xtoxm, Tajo)

Setael-3 (Pablo, Lamont, Pyro)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw Amish, would you like to resolve your 50% vig vote status?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't see anything wrong with voting someone who claimed Vanillager for no reason. Its an anti-town thing to do.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Modding. Heck I'm throwing up there what I can.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Setael-3 (Pablo, Lamont, Pyro)

Pablo-2.5 (Amished, Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Devastation-1 (Stepho)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, Rock, AJ, Elmo

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well I dont see Tajo as scum necessarily although I don't like his lurking...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Yes, its very clear this is a one-shot dayvig item. I fulfilled my responsibility in making sure it survived with me into the next day; with a bullseye on my back, I did the best I could.

Nyx now has both the shell and the shotgun and we are about to blast someone to smithereens.

Please vig vote.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Yup and btw, welcome!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Bleh, I just dont find the motivation to be in this game. To be quite honest, its really boring and its one of my least favorites right now. Its probably the amount of people I dont know.

OOOO, this

pisses me off

...

The Mod has worked hard on this game and its one of the most exciting I've seen

and its only just getting started

.

Would you care to re-phrase that because I think you are scum pretending to be bored here...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok Tajo, I like you too.

It can be tough following so many games when you don't have as much time as you usually would.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vig Vote Tally

Setael-3 (Pablo, Lamont, Pyro)

Pablo-2.5 (Amished, Setael, Tajo)
Sironi-2 (Zwet, Naomi)
Devastation-2 (Stepho, Rock)
Stepho-1 (Sironi)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)
Tajo-1 (Xtoxm)
Lamont-.5 (Amished)


Not vig-voting scum:

Devastation, AJ, Elmo

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Lamont_Cranston]

Some news from our studios, I'll be taking over Shadow Knight's position as anchorman!

Now to read the 60 pages of this fight @_@

Welcome!

MOD: Please prod AJ & Stepho

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya, I'd like to know because at this point I don't see it. Funny, I was just thinking of reading you and Rock to see what I was missing.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Post #1363 for everyone's reading pleaseure:

And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

Don't think that I forgot that yesterday you were saying you were going to vote for either me or Naomi...and while I understand Lamont's position, I relentlessly attacked Naomi's claim yesterday.

I think Devestation needs to die based on his shift in thinking. I spent a lot of time yesterday attacking Naomi's claim...and yet I was still on Devestation's list of suspects...now all of a sudden Devestation's giving credit to Lamont for outing Naomi's supposed scumminess, even though in my opinion Lamont hasn't hit Naomi nearly as hard as I was yesterday.

I'm starting to think Naomi's claim really is legitimate, based on posts from both her and the mod today.

I reserve the right to change this, but for now:

Vig vote:

Devestation

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Kind of funny how everything is revolving around Naomi and we are all changing our views. I still don't really believe her claim.

I gave you credit for your suspicions because if she is scum there is no way you would be bussing her at the end of D1.

It looks to me like a case of him just looking at the latest posts and running off those.

@Stepho:

Where is he still suspecting you after N1 had passed?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't see us making a lynch at this time without a major re-alignment, but I am pretty sure that either Stephoscope or Naomi are scum, and within 24 hours I will have made my decision as to which one to vote for.

Ok this is post #987 it appears he is saying that

either

you OR Naomi are scum; in other words if Naomi is scum, you're not and vice-versa.

I think his point is very true here.