-XylBot- Game over! Winners page 56.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

EBWOP: Wow, I just looked at my post... that XP is a smiley face, not referring to windows XP... 8D

[zwetschenwasser]

Kewl. Thanks.

[animorpherv1]

!vote roflcopter

for not using punctuation.

[Tarhalindur]

!Vote DGB

Tar; Do you have an examplre from anon-ongoing game?

Zwetschenwasser has only 1 completed game - Open 117 - where he's more serious than usual, so no.

!vote zwetschenwasser

Suffice it to say that you are not currently playing to town meta - you're not being silly and carefree enough. (Can't give a good link, the best example is an ongoing Mini.)

Bullocks. Or bus'ing. Time will tell.

Of course it's mostly bullshit, there's no way I can be sure that he's being too serious just yet. I'm just trying to get out of the random stage.

[Tarhalindur]

This gets its own post because I want it to stand out.

First testsetup with a cult in it:

-TestBot- [wacky] cult: Cult Leader; mafia: Disabler, Tracker, Twin, Mafioso; town: Mason (x2), One-Shot Redirecter, Faith Healer, Cop, Mirror, Roleblocker (Killer), Retired Cop, Poisoner, Skulker, Super-Saint, Robot, Townie, Lovestruck Townie

Could explain the fact that there was only 1 kill; some 19P wacky setups have 3 separate scum teams, so I'm surprised that no one else died.

No vote yet.

Okay, HERE's the kind of post I was keeping an eye out for.

Setup speculation + possible inside information* + possible Sucks for Us! Tell? DIE, SCUM, DIE.

!vote Kevy

[roflcopter]

confirm !vote tarhalindur

"just want to get out of the random stage" is the biggest load of crap excuse ever

attack on kevy is total bullshit. note the heavy use of the word "possible" because he's just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

[populartajo]

I agree with the rabbit.
!unvote vote Tar.

[Tarhalindur]

confirm !vote tarhalindur

"just want to get out of the random stage" is the biggest load of crap excuse ever

attack on kevy is total bullshit. note the heavy use of the word "possible" because he's just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

1) Hi, my name is Tarhalindur, and I sometimes do silly things during random vote stage.

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I'll try to get onto this at the weekend... just saying hi for the moment...

except to BSG

[ShadowGirl]

Just a note that I'm going to be scarce during this long weekend (catching up on homework, birthday party, etc.)

[Xylthixlm]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (10 to lynch) |||
||| MAFIABOT || DrippingGoofball - 2 (tubby216 Empking's_Alt) |||
||| MAFIABOT || KaleiÃ

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

!unvote

Tar, I think I see what you are getting at, I'm gonna go back and read in context.

@Everyone Else

Tar plays like this in the beginning of most games, and I am usually able to see town-Tar's thinking, if he's thinking what I believe, it makes sense, but I know Kevy too, so I have reason to believe that this is genuine kevy play and not the scum tell Tar is making it out to be.

[roflcopter]

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

i have REASON TO BELIEVE that you are totally full of shit

[Kevy]

This gets its own post because I want it to stand out.

First testsetup with a cult in it:

-TestBot- [wacky] cult: Cult Leader; mafia: Disabler, Tracker, Twin, Mafioso; town: Mason (x2), One-Shot Redirecter, Faith Healer, Cop, Mirror, Roleblocker (Killer), Retired Cop, Poisoner, Skulker, Super-Saint, Robot, Townie, Lovestruck Townie

Could explain the fact that there was only 1 kill; some 19P wacky setups have 3 separate scum teams, so I'm surprised that no one else died.

No vote yet.

Okay, HERE's the kind of post I was keeping an eye out for.

Setup speculation + possible inside information* + possible Sucks for Us! Tell? DIE, SCUM, DIE.

!vote Kevy

Setup speculation = I play XylBot a lot
"Possible inside information" = I play XylBot a lot

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

Multiple things wrong with this one.

First of all, you're rolehinting; are you serious?

Second, why are you even ASKING if you're clear or not? I seriously hope you're joking because you're trying WAY too hard to appear town. By asking if you have a "reason to believe", you just put a blatant target on your back. This is not productive town play.

!vote Tarhalindur

For bad day 1 play, not necessarily deserving of a lynch, but I feel that a vote is in order.

[Kevy]

By saying you have a "reason to believe"*

I'm don't how to edit my post; I don't think you can anyways.

[armlx]

I'm don't how to edit my post; I don't think you can anyways.

You can't.

Needs more Phate QL.

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

I think kevy is fine, but I definitely see Tar's points.

@Kevy

How I read Tar's post, the "Am I clear?" wasn't asking if he was clear as town, but that he was being clear in his explanations.

____________________

I'm getting town vibes from Tar, based mostly on the fact that I can read what I think he is trying to do and it makes sense, but kevy isn't affected by the argument for the points he brought up in his last post.

[DrippingGoofball]

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

i have REASON TO BELIEVE that you are totally full of shit

The rabbit has a reason to believe.

!vote Tarhalindur

Also, armlx is town.

[tubby216]

!unvote

why does this seem like the end of the blue collar comedy tour?

!vote Tarhalindur

but i concur with dgb assesment that armix is town,

[roflcopter]

i'm seeing uroe being scum with tar here

[Tarhalindur]

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

i have REASON TO BELIEVE that you are totally full of shit

Now, I'm going to be generous here and assume that you don't know what "reason to believe" terminology means (mainly based on your attack, which gives me the impression that you are severely misguided town). Keep in mind that this is the ONLY reason I am not locking on to (promising to vote you PERMANENTLY, until such time that either you die or I die) you on the spot for this post.

I am utterly, 100%, there is only one possible way I am wrong here* sure that you do not have a reason to believe that I am full of shit.

Strong feeling, perhaps. All-but-certain, quite possibly, but I GUARANTEE you that you do not have a reason to believe that I am full of shit. As in, if you claim a "reason to believe" that I am lying, then I KNOW you are LYING and, barring a very stupid town who doesn't know to lynch counterclaimed scum, you WILL be dead by the end of Day 2. (If you don't know what "reason to believe" terminology means, you really need to read my previous games... like, say, Random Mafia 3, where I used the term liberally.)

* - that one possible way being that what you're interpreting as a reason to believe that I am lying is, in fact, the reason why you can't have a reason to believe that I am lying.

If you do not recant your claim that you have "reason to believe" that I am full of shit, however, I guarantee that you are scum.

[roflcopter]

let me translate what tarhalindur just said: i brought way too much heat down on myself with my bullshit attacks so i'll try and scare everyone off with a softclaim which says "not me! look at kevy!"

this is the part where tar's previous threat of a neverending omgus vote actually materializes, proving that tar's supposed evidence against kevy is total crap, because if he had REASON TO BELIEVE that kevy let slip he's mafia then he would not stop voting his caught scum. the fact that he's willing to switch his vote to me in spite of this shows that his blustering is all just smoke and mirrors.

[Tarhalindur]

Okay, time to pick apart this post point by point.

This gets its own post because I want it to stand out.

First testsetup with a cult in it:

-TestBot- [wacky] cult: Cult Leader; mafia: Disabler, Tracker, Twin, Mafioso; town: Mason (x2), One-Shot Redirecter, Faith Healer, Cop, Mirror, Roleblocker (Killer), Retired Cop, Poisoner, Skulker, Super-Saint, Robot, Townie, Lovestruck Townie

Could explain the fact that there was only 1 kill; some 19P wacky setups have 3 separate scum teams, so I'm surprised that no one else died.

No vote yet.

Okay, HERE's the kind of post I was keeping an eye out for.

Setup speculation + possible inside information* + possible Sucks for Us! Tell? DIE, SCUM, DIE.

!vote Kevy

Setup speculation = I play XylBot a lot
"Possible inside information" = I play XylBot a lot

1) I don't care that

2) I was trying to be subtle. Since that doesn't seem to be working, let's use the blunt instrument: I have REASON TO BELIEVE that Kevy just let slip that the Mafia kill was not aimed at Seraphim. I am reluctant to explain further at this time.

Am I clear?

Multiple things wrong with this one.

First of all, you're rolehinting; are you serious?

Yes - I'm more than willing to trade a little rolebased info for a scumbag. There may or may not be other reasons for any rolehinting.

Second, why are you even ASKING if you're clear or not? I seriously hope you're joking because you're trying WAY too hard to appear town. By asking if you have a "reason to believe", you just put a blatant target on your back. This is not productive town play.

!vote Tarhalindur

For bad day 1 play, not necessarily deserving of a lynch, but I feel that a vote is in order.

Okay, let's break this down, folks.

1) Let's see. "Am I clear" is an idiomatic expression in American English that is used to ask whether someone understands the point you are trying to get across. Maybe, just maybe, it would stand to reason that I was using the idiom to try to point out that there was additional meaning in my earlier post? You're either woefully ignorant or willfully misrepresenting my post.

2) "This is not productive town play"... town has to be productive at all times how, exactly? Town can't play suboptimally in the early game in an attempt to bait out opportunistic scum/catch more scum later why, exactly?

3) Let's take a look at this in depth: "For bad day 1 play, not necessarily deserving of a lynch, but I feel that a vote is in order".

First: Bad Day 1 play is not a good reason for a vote unless that bad Day 1 play indicates that the player you are voting is more likely to be scum. I've seen far better players than myself play poorly as Town D1 for the reasons I listed in the second sentence of point 2 (see: Glork in Mini 594, Elmo in Battlestar Galactica Mini).

Second: "Not necessarily deserving of a lynch." Very interesting phrasing there. Think about that statement for a moment, people. Note how Kevy is specifically supporting a Tarhalindur lynch without throwing his full weight behind it - giving him an easy way out if a Tar wagon disintegrates ("Oh, I said we shouldn't necessarily lynch him, but my vote was still correct") OR when I come up town after lynch ("I didn't say we should actually lynch him...").
Now, think about the mindset Kevy is showing. This statement implies that we should lynch players for being "deserving of a lynch", rather than behaving like scum often do. What the hell does "deserving of a lynch" mean, anyways? It can mean "behaving like scum often do", but it doesn't have to - Kevy could decide that someone "deserves to be lynched" because that person attacked him, or started joking around, or wore green socks on Tuesday. In other words, "deserving of a lynch" is perfect cover for a scum to use to justify a vote on a player they know is town.

Third: "But I feel that a vote is in order." Again, the phrasing is noteworthy. It does two things: it distances Kevy from the vote (he may or may not be voting because he thinks I am scum - he doesn't say either way), and it suggests that a townie should vote because it is called for (the situation requires it) rather than because that townie thinks the voted player is scum or because lynching that player will increase town's chances of winning the game (in endgame situations).*

* - There are some actions that can warrant a vote, but they warrant a vote only because they have clear scum motivation or are statistically more likely to come from scum. We call them scumtells.

[Kevy]

Oh lord.

Keep in mind that this is the ONLY reason I am not locking on to (promising to vote you PERMANENTLY, until such time that either you die or I die) you on the spot for this post.

Really? Could you be any more obvious?

I am utterly, 100%,

there is only one possible way I am wrong here*

sure that you do not have a reason to believe that I am full of shit.

Only one possible way? I can think of three off the top of my head:
1. Non-sane inspection
2. Millers
3. Twins

* - that one possible way being that what you're interpreting as a reason to believe that I am lying is, in fact, the reason why you can't have a reason to believe that I am lying.

.....

Anyways.

Whatever your "reason to believe" is, I can guarantee that you're putting too much trust into it and ignoring everything else. Especially with comments like the first quote saying that you're inches away from VOTING ONE PERSON AND NEVER CHANGING, you are definitely not thinking thoroughly OR playing a pro-town game.

And as a final note, roflcopter is town.

[Kevy]

Also, given the previous post, my vote has changed from a "not exactly deserving of a lynch" to "needs to be lynched because of bad townieness".