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Fsck all this, let's call Jex an it.Jex wrote:unvote
To this: 1. Spring break is half over so your plan won't work. and 2. Jex is a girl not a guy.dahill wrote:we'll wait until jex is on spring break, and then quicklynch him while he is gone
Also, I approve of the Korts wagon. I thinkheit deserves more pressure,heit's very scummy the wayheit jumped on the first wagon. Well, second.scumchat never die-
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Sorry,unvote. Also, sorry for forgetting to post. Had a lot going on. And now, I'm gonna OMGUS.Vote: Yoshi
Anxious for feedback: scumtell in my read. Also, pointing fingers.
I find it odd that so many votes are on Albert even though he's claimed! Albert, what do you think now, I'm scum, even though I realize that you are really the doctor, and four other people don't?
About Jex: I'd like you to tell me why her vote looks odd. Is it because you're convinced ABR is doc?
About me. How the heck did you figure out that being away is scummy? I didn't even post for what, one, two weeks? And yet, after rereading you fail to call me out for lurking, only for selfvoting, and something about some role that I don't understand. You calling me suspicious is the most suspicious thing in this game, since I didn't even post past the random stage, because I was waiting for replacement, and when I came back, I had to reread some other games I came back to also.
I partly agree with the part about Sethaniel. The claim was premature. But the vote on him I don't understand.
Claiming doc and not getting the counterclaim isn't a very solid case for ABR being doc, methinks. I find it much more likely he's scum trying to draw the real doc. And the real doc has surely realized this and may have decided to keep his mouth shut, wanting to live to D2. Also, even if he is the doc, he doesn't have anything against Seth. Absolutely no proof that only ABR can have. A doc isn't an investigative role, and even if it were, we didn't have a night 1, as far as I remember.
I'd like to think that Albert didn't disadvantage us too terribly, too, since he's wrong about me and foolishly claimed doctor to get people to lynch who he wanted them to lynch; so hopefully he is right about Sethaniel.
No, as I said, ABR's claim is not very believable. It smells more to me of "wanting to lynch the scumeldarad, your voting Albert smells of *wanting to lynch the real doc* to me.fakeclaimingdoc".
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Yoshi: ABR may or may not be the doc. Until the real doc, if there is a real doc other than ABR, counterclaims, however, we should not lynch ABR whether or not you believe his claim. I voted for you because if ABR is fakeclaiming, you're obviously protecting your partner, and if he's the real doc, you're obviously buddying up to him.scumchat never die-
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Yoshi. That is so full of bullshit. Either you're realfucked up in the headsilly, or you're scum caught redhanded and now flailing around in desperation.
I said that itdoesn't matterwhether ABR is doc at this point. I wasn't defending him. My point was, there is no need for you to defend him, nor is there any need for the town to collectively lynch him. If there is a doc out there other than ABR, he will counterclaim when the time comes. And my point stops there. There's no inconsistency. You haven't been doing the exact same thing, because you've been asking for feedback all the way through, you FoS-ed everyone on ABR's wagon, and on the whole acted like you want to protect ABR no matter what. Considering ABR's reactions, you are not, in my opinion, lovers, therefore you must be scum, either protecting your partner or buddying up to the claimed doc. If you don't follow me, just ask, I'll clarify.
Also, defending anyone, especially this early on, is bound to attract scrutiny, since this is a game based on suspicion, and town players don't know anything about the others, therefore suspecting everyone. Scum like you, on the other hand, have additional information as to who their partners are and who the townies are, and can maneuver much more confidently, buddying up and protecting their own--but often forgetting that they should act equally suspicious of everyone, not just the ones widely considered scummy.
One more action I'd like to call you out on:
When pressured, you quickly changed your seemingly solid opinion regarding ABR. Were you truly convinced about the truth of his claim, you would've argued with us. Going with the flow is much more scummy than having your own opinion, no matter how much you're scrutinized for your own opinion. DIESCUMDIE!!!Yoshi wrote:
Other than Albert's claim I find him definitely the most suspicious -- so if he isn't the real doctor.
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Yoshi, don't be a wuss. Take it like a man. It's a game of suspicions, don't expect us to believe your every word. Don't expect us to believe anything. You have to convince us. I think there's no need to tire someone with reading eight pages only to get lynched anyway, cos we're lynching you anyway, Yoshi. Just take it like a man.scumchat never die-
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Also, get your facts straight. We're not suspecting you for saying that ABR shouldn't be lynched. We're suspecting you because you've been trying to buddy up to ABR, and when pressured, you turned on him. Also, for some other things that I don't care to list cos I'm tired and sleepy and so on.
Korlash is coming to the exact same conclusion I was -- that Albert SHOULDNT be lynched today -- AND you ALL are saying that I am suspicious FOR SAYING that Albert SHOULDNT be lynched today. Phrasing about whether he is the doc or isnt or maybe is isnt significant.scumchat never die-
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Joke vote, yeah.eldarad wrote:Ignoring the pre-confirm and joke posts at the start:
Another joke vote? Maybe. But surely one joke vote is enough...So this is a serious vote then?Korts wrote:unvote vote dahill he was clearly trying to set up a bandwagon and a quicklynch.
Joke.eldarad wrote: More garbage about how the Korts wagon needs pushing more. Self votes. Which is a scumtell, in the eldarad book of scumtells.
You're wrong about Yoshi being pressured in my absence. I was the first to vote him, and other than questioning him about his belief of the ABR-claim, relatively little attention was on him. About defending Jex, I admit it, I found Jex to be absolutely innocent of the things Yoshi accused her of in the post I quoted. As in, I didn't see where her vote could be odd.eldarad wrote: Post 163 is the first post after Korts' absence. The pressure has been piling on Yoshi, and so Korts decides to stick the knife in...(quotes from me and yoshi followed this in the original post)
The reason I was criticising Yoshi's vote on Seth is his list of suspicions, which was in the following order: Jex, Seth, Korts.eldarad wrote:
This time criticising Yoshi's stance on Seth, whilst sending Seth good vibes.Korts wrote:About me. How the heck did you figure out that being away is scummy? I didn't even post for what, one, two weeks? And yet, after rereading you fail to call me out for lurking, only for selfvoting, and something about some role that I don't understand. You calling me suspicious is the most suspicious thing in this game, since I didn't even post past the random stage, because I was waiting for replacement, and when I came back, I had to reread some other games I came back to also.
I partly agree with the part about Sethaniel. The claim was premature. But the vote on him I don't understand.Not,I feel the need to emphasise, Seth, Jex, Korts or Seth, Korts, Jex.
Take it as you will. But are you referring to Yoshi or ABR as the scumbuddy I'm sounding like casting off?eldarad wrote:
This is pretty accurate, but to me this sounds like scum casting off a scumbuddy he sees as a liability.Korts wrote: Claiming doc and not getting the counterclaim isn't a very solid case for ABR being doc, methinks. I find it much more likely he's scum trying to draw the real doc. And the real doc has surely realized this and may have decided to keep his mouth shut, wanting to live to D2. Also, even if he is the doc, he doesn't have anything against Seth. Absolutely no proof that only ABR can have. A doc isn't an investigative role, and even if it were, we didn't have a night 1, as far as I remember.
I was questioning, through this, again, the credibility of ABR's claim. Also, I was pretty annoyed by Yoshi's lame way of twisting words.eldarad wrote:
This time buddying up to me. Nice.Korts wrote:
No, as I said, ABR's claim is not very believable. It smells more to me of "wanting to lynch the scum fakeclaiming doc".eldarad, your voting Albert smells of *wanting to lynch the real doc* to me.
I agree that the accusation of bussing is valid, as always in a case like this, but I can't defend myself against that. I agreed to lead the Seth wagon because I find him most suspicious after Yoshi. And I have a mouth of my own, and a brain attached to it, I will never defend myself with "ABR told me to." I acknowledged that ABR can't have additional info, but I agree with the suspicion. Yoshi was intending, as far as I understood, to blindly follow ABR on the Seth wagon based on simply the "fact" that he's Doc.eldarad wrote: Post 168 explains to Yoshi the whole ABR-doc reasoning again.
I agree with post 172, but that doesn't mean it can't be bussing by Korts.
174 and 176 is part of the stupid back-and-forth between ABR and Korts.
Then Korts agrees to lead the Seth wagon Day 2. Why exactly? This is even worse proxying than Seth's. If Seth is town, Korts can say "ABR told me to"
This is despite already acknowledging, as part of the case on Yoshi, that ABR can't possibly have any additional info.
So, yeah. I'm not liking your play at all. Hence the vote.scumchat never die-
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PBPA on Seth.
Confirming post.
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Probably joke post, but still makes me a bit uneasy, the way he's open to negotiation about a random vote.Seth wrote:ABR, do you have a reason for liking Jex? If you can give me a good one, I'll vote for her.
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Still trying to sell his vote.Seth wrote:Ah, wait. So you like her personally, not like her as a candidate for lynch.
Or, you believe people who think like you do should be lynched.
Which is it, ABR? do you want me to vote for Jex?
Post 3: joke post.
Post 4 is in reply to this:Jex wrote:unvote vote sethaniel I don't like the fact that you are looking for answers instead of creating your theories and ideas. You get a double vote from due to the fact that you're asking ABR for answers of all people.
Calls valid accusations OMGUS. Doesn't reply to accusations.Seth wrote:OMGUS Jex. I'm just talking.
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Blatant OMGUS without any reason to it. (ABR voted Seth in the post before quoted)Seth wrote:Fine, scorn my affection. See if I care.
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Oh, I guess I do care. . .
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Misrepresentation. Eldarad's question was nowhere near about the same thing as Seth's. While Seth asked ABR to tell him where to put his vote, eldarad's question, as far as I gather, wasn't even related to voting.Seth wrote:@Elderad
So, it's okay for you to ask questions regarding voting, but not for me? We're both going the same place with those questions.Incidentally, my question to ABR ("do you feel lucky?") was kinda serious, but I don't want an answer anymore.
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for asking ABR where to place your vote. It's trying to absolve yourself of responsibility for your actions.
Two things. Bolded part: acknowledges that he's open to advice on where to put his vote, basically letting others do the scumhunting for him. Second, hypocrite. Seth didn't give reason for his OMGUS, either.Seth wrote:In general: I wasn'tnecessarilygoing to just vote whatever ABR said. I wanted to see what his response would be. Did he have any particular reason to vote for anyone, or was he just trying to bait someone into arguing with him, so he could push for a lynch? His response turned out to be voting for me, without giving any reason at all.
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Plays newbie card.Seth wrote:Defense of my actions:
Newbie. Stupid newbie. Check my join date.
Again, bolded part: I don't see where eldarad's question was related to voting. Also, pointing fingers (italic part) and some bullshit (underlined), because, in fact, farside and Qman had also been questioned about some actions, the only difference being that they had defended themselves.Seth wrote:I really did just want to see what response would come of it. ABR keeps insistently making "I love Jex" posts, which is a little weird. Obviously, I didn't think people would use it as a reason to lynch me.A lot of people were saying a lot of stupid things,and no one seems to have singled them out for death.(Specifically,elderad admits he was kind of serious in asking ABR about his vote, then jumps on the BW to lynch me.)
Premature claim(L-3), also pretty obvious one. I'm thinking with this setup, everyone would claim townie. And emphasises the newbie card.Seth wrote: Well, if I die, when I'm proven townie, I hope it helps you find the real scum.
Post 8 is just a "giving up" post, in my eyes. Outraged at ABR for his scumhunting technique, confirm claim.
Post 9 is at me saying he expected me to give him a free pass.
Well, that's about it. My points against him are basically 1) the selling of the random vote to ABR, 2) the calling of valid arguments OMGUS, 3) OMGUSing himself without any said reason, 4) gross misrepresentation and hypocrisy, and 5) not being willing to defend himself with valid arguments.scumchat never die-
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That questioning eventually lead to Yoshi suddenly changing his opinion, but at the point of my comeback, it wasn't looking like it would lead anywhere. The argument at that point looked like a stalemate. Yes, there may have been some pressure on him to acknowledge that ABR may not certainly be the doc, but it wasn't considerable pressure.eldarad wrote:
That questioning was leading somewhere, and Yoshi wasn't handling the attention well at all. I agree that you put the first vote on, but to claim that there was no pressure is wrong.
I admit that I answered it, and that it was directed at you. That I can't defend. But the point I made while answering it was part of the case on Yoshi.eldarad wrote: Hmm. You answered something directed towards me on my behalf, which I don't like.
This is setting up a Day 2eldarad wrote:
Yeah, but this is setting up the Day 2 lynch on Day 1 without reference to any information we gain from the lynch and NK. Why would you do that?bandwagonthat we can gain information from. I don't think we gain much information from yesterday's lynch, correct me if I'm wrong. And the NK doesn't help much, either. I mean, apart from the early D1 argument between farside and Qman, farside didn't pick a lot of fights. If I had thought differently, I wouldn't have started Day 2 with the Seth wagon.scumchat never die-
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Seth, please don't use my words in a way they were clearly not intended to be used. You're misrepresenting me, and making a rather sloppy job about it. Compare quotes.
On the one hand we have the WIFOM argument concerning the NK.Seth wrote:
Why why why if I were scum, would I kill farside?
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If I were scum, farside was no threat to me. I had nothing to gain by killing her, and unlike ABR or Korts, she didn't seem convinced I was scum.
On the other hand we have an argument against necroing an essentially dead discussion, a discussion which leads, if you take into account farside's D1 play and the state of the discussion at that point, to nothing except WIFOM arguments.Korts wrote:
the NK doesn't help much, either. I mean, apart from the early D1 argument between farside and Qman, farside didn't pick a lot of fights.
How are the two quotes similar? Both revolve around the topic of NK's. But they're not about the same thing, I gather.
Setting up a Day 2 wagon may not be beneficial to town, but it isn't any more beneficial to the mafia, either. At least, I don't see how it might be harmful.eldarad wrote: So how is setting up a Day 2 wagon in advance beneficial to anyone?
I agree that Yoshi's lynch wasn't the most informative but that doesn't justify setting up lynches - or bandwagons or even just the agenda - a Day in advance.
Why, exactly, did you do that? How does the town benefit from knowing that you are going to lead a bandwagon Day 2? Does the town benefit more than the mafia? How so?scumchat never die-
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If it doesn't hurt anyone, why not do it, as long as I feel like it? You know, I presume, that we can go on like this for quite a long time.
It would be beneficial to scum if I would try to prevent any other wagon from happening. Competing wagons are by no means against my will.
The ABR thing interests me, too. I've never seen him play before, though, so I don't know whether he's always this erratic.scumchat never die-
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I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.dahill1 wrote:i believe a korts lynch will give us the most information based on his alignment and how it goes with possible connections, defending/attacking other player
I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.dahill1 wrote: my main points against korts are that he seemed to be a bit too eager for the Seth lynch D2. he even later admitted that setting up a D2 wagon would not be beneficial to the town..
Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.dahill1 wrote: also i agree with elderad about ABR seemingly losing interest in Seth, then returning to him is strange
You admit that Seth's scummy, therefore you will consider voting himdahill wrote:i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today.tomorrow?Clarify this, please. You haven't expressed more than light suspicion of me, and you call Seth scummy, yet I get the vote. Is it only me, or do you see the hole in logic too? You don't want to lynch your buddy unless you really have to, is that it?
So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.
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I gathered from your posts that you weren't really decided whether or not I'm scum or town. I may have been wrong, but you didn't express any more than vague suspicion.dahill1 wrote:
that's not at all what i'm saying. i know that if you turn up town seth isn't automatically guilty, but you also seem to have buddied up with ABR as well. i'm definitely not thinking that you are 50% scum, 50% townKorts wrote:I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.
You're misrepresenting me, I didn't say I wasn't eager for a Seth lynch. I said I am no more eager for his lynch than Yoshi's. Kinda less, in fact, but that wasn't my point.dahill1 wrote:
read these quotesKorts wrote:I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.Korts wrote:Sethaniel's bandwagon I'll be leading, as promised. Dahill I don't understand...Korts wrote:I said I would lead the Sethaniel wagon, soVote: Sethaniel
seems to me like you were eager for a seth lynchKorts wrote:Hey doc, what about Seth?
You raise points against ABR, you fail to raise points against Seth, this leads me to the conclusion that you find ABR scummier compared to Seth.dahill1 wrote:
never said it was scummier than sethKorts wrote:Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.
To clarify my point. You made points about ABR and me, and you mentioned babygirl as a prominent lurker. About ABR and me, you declared that you find my lynch the best, and that ABR's actions have been strange. About babygirl, however, you say that this is her playstyle. Maybe this is only about informing other players, but it isn't hard to see ulterior motives in there.dahill1 wrote:
the only suspicion of someone i have on seth's wagon is pretty much you. and now you're saying i'm minimizing suspicion on babygirl?? you just said i sentence ago that i was throwing suspicion at her (she's on seth's wagon)! she does lurk all the time, i'm just saying that for me, it doesn't change my suspicion anymore or any less because from what i've seen, she does it all the time. not that i'm saying it's a good playstyle, but just informing other players.Korts wrote:So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.scumchat never die-
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He's still the best play, but you're pretty good too, and with all the attention on you, I'm not likely to get a Seth lynch together.dahill1 wrote:
what happened last page when you said seth was still the best play?Korts wrote:unvote, vote: dahill
L-2, guys.
feel a little more comfortable voting me since now there's a bandwagon?scumchat never die-
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Hey, you implying ABR told me to go after Yoshi? Also, I never intended and never intend to use that kind of craplogic. If I play an important role in Seth's lynch and he turns town, I'll be the first to say I fucked up. But way to put nice words into my mouth, I love it.
Day 1 he's been buddying up and "obeying" ABR by going after Yoshi and then promising to lead a bandwagon on Seth day 2. That could very well be his way of not feeling guilty whenever Seth gets lynched, thanks to some "was only fulfilling a promise" "ABR told me to" "its his fault" kind of craplogic and gayplay.
Also, yeah, I switched to dahill. It wasn't without reason, and the reason wasn't that his bandwagon looked nicer. I had, in fact, attacked dahill for post 258, and yes, I said that my vote stays on Seth. But god, can't a man change his mind?scumchat never die-
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The whole town, specifically. Call it a gambit, if you like. I guess I'll have to learn more before I can make something like this work, though.dahill1 wrote:
of whom, specifically?Korts wrote:
Mainly to see the reactions.dahill1 wrote:
ok, then what is your real reason for voting for me?Korts wrote:In fact, I still think Seth is still the most scummy, I was just interested to see where voting dahill would lead. More later, I'm kinda drunk atm.
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To answer your question, ABR, I'm still for Seth being scum, but why is Jex scum too?scumchat never die-
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Alright.dahill1 wrote:alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?
1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.
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Hey, I tried a gambit, and now I realize I can't defend myself with the explanation of "it was a gambit", cos yeah, you're pretty likely to believe that if you're inclined. I see where there's no reasonable defense for my switch, therefore if the town goes my way, I'm willing to accept it. I'd like to believe it's cool, though.scumchat never die-
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Seth, I see a minor inconsistency in this post. Why didn't you vote for me, after this?Sethaniel wrote:unvote
Wait a minute! I voted for dahill before Korts. Korts's vote put dahill at L-2, in fact. The only person who jumped on the dahill wagonkorts wrote: 1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.
Vote: SethanielafterKorts was ABR.
Korts pushes a Sethwagon, then abruptly switches to dahill, first with no reason, then giving as his reason as he didn't think he could get enough support for a Seth lynch. Then, when he gets pressured for switching his vote, he basically repeats Jex's reasoning from post 296, the difference being that Jex was the one who started the wagon, not the fourth person to jump on it.scumchat never die-
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Well, maybe, but you did give enough reason to validate your jump onto my wagon.Sethaniel wrote:@korts- don't you think that would look like I was just jumping from wagon to wagon?
why are you so eager to get lynched?
Also, I'm not so eager to get lynched, but if that's the consensus, I'm willing to trade my life to prove the sincerity of my case against you.scumchat never die-
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Reading through Yoshi's posts, I have these thoughts.
In his first game-post, he posts a quick list of suspicions. Jex is on top, Seth is on bottom. I think that of the two, one is scum, Yoshi would probably start bussing early, the way I judge his playstyle. Votes Jex, and when she explains her reasons (random) he dismisses them with a "fine, you're still suspect". I don't get the feel Yoshi would leave a vote on a partner without a good/bad reason.
However, the reaction to Seth playing the noob card is a bit telling. Yoshi accepts, without anything further, this explanation:
In contrast, Jex's defense-which Yoshi rejected:Seth wrote: Newbie. Stupid newbie. Check my join date.
I really did just want to see what response would come of it. ABR keeps insistently making "I love Jex" posts, which is a little weird. Obviously, I didn't think people would use it as a reason to lynch me. A lot of people were saying a lot of stupid things, and no one seems to have singled them out for death. (Specifically, elderad admits he was kind of serious in asking ABR about his vote, then jumps on the BW to lynch me.)
Well, if I die, when I'm proven townie, I hope it helps you find the real scum.
I'm guessing the scum will just claim that I was playing anti-town and deserved to die for being unhelpful anyway. (I can make a great argument against myself.)
What I see is that Yoshi made a case on Jex based on joke-stage comments, and rejected her reasonable defense, while against Seth, he made a case based on comments that were admitted by Seth to be at least half serious, and yet Yoshi accepts the defense that amounted to "I'm a newbie, but I'm town and if you lynch me I hope it'll help you". A pretty odd reaction when compared to the reaction to Jex.Jex wrote:
All of my votes up until my vote on Sethaniel were all joking around, you know...random game play for the random voting stage. Sethaniel was the first that I actually found suspicious and I'm currently torn between sethaniel and farside at the moment for most suspicious in my eyes.
Yoshi's post 4 also makes me doubt that Jex would be scum with Yoshi. Attacking Jex for making a case that Yoshi partly agrees with, I think would be more easily explained as trying to push a town wagon than futile bussing.
Post 5 Yoshi denies the validity of the Seth case, despite his earlier conviction. More proof of a Yoshi-Seth connection. Also in this post, Yoshi asks for a counterclaim to ABR's claim. I suddenly had the following thought: why would Yoshi ask for a counterclaim so hard if he knew ABR to be town? It may be he expected a counterclaim, knowing ABRwasn'ttown. What if what I thought to be Yoshi buddying up to ABR was in fact Yoshi protecting ABR?
Post 6 Yoshi admits the validity of the Seth case, I think because he was watching the pressure building on Seth and decided that he would be better off lynching his partner than defending him against a valid case. Again, requesting a counterclaim in a couple posts, which, as I said, may be a tell against ABR.
That's the summary of my thoughts today.scumchat never die-
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