Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[eldarad]

Once one lover dies, the other dies that Night (or the same Night).
I think we should force the mafia to kill the lovers - that way we automatically know which pair has the treacherous lover in, and we don't end up doing half the mafia's job for them.

[farside22]

Do you really think the mafia is going to kill the lovers tonight with a doctor at there disposal? Call WIFOM all you want, but as I stated before we now know dahill and eldarad are lovers. If they are both town then the one remaining couple (one who is town and the other who is scum) the town couple should say that they are they other couple with whoever their lover is and we get one scum tomorrow. Yes this means 3 town people down and 1 person during the night, but the town is still ahead with one scum to look for.

[farside22]

Wanted to add that if the lovers we have today and one is scum then the scum group will look hard for the other lover group so until we know the alignment of the lovers in this game please do not out yourself if you are the other lover pair till we know for sure the alignment of these lovers. If we are lucky we won't have to know the other lovers and the town stays ahead even more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was right about elderad being a lover then.

Unvote, vote Jex

[Sethaniel]

So, ABR, you're against Korts' plan?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't want to lynch elderad, or korts. I think our best option is Jex atm.

[Korts]

How about dahill?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like her too much. Now that the lover has claimed, I'm not sure about them.

[dahill1]

I don't like her too much. Now that the lover has claimed, I'm not sure about them.

HIM!
and why don't you think Korts would be a good lynch for today?

[ThAdmiral]

Vote Count:

Korts - 3

(Dahill, Armlx, Eldarad)

Dahill - 2

(Farside, Korts)

Babygirl - 1

(Coron)

Armlx - 1

(ABR)

Not Voting -

(Kravhen, Silence, Sethaniel)

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Armlx is replacing Jex.

[armlx]

Will post tonight and what not.

[farside22]

I don't like her too much. Now that the lover has claimed, I'm not sure about them.

Why do you think no lynching the claimed lovers is bad?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I tried looking for a case on elderad. There was none. So I felt bad and shut up about it.

Elderad acted pro-town all the way.

I think the other lovers should claim though.

[Sethaniel]

Even if you think eldarad is town, if dahill is the treacherous lover, then they have to die.

Why should the other set of lovers claim? In case they have a member who looks scummier than dahill?

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we are going ahead with the plan, then all the lovers have to claim.

[Korts]

I don't agree. The town half of the other can claim tomorrow if both dahill and eldarad turn town, but if both pairs claim and we lynch the one with the treacherous lover, the scum essentially get two NK's.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Korts that was very scummy.

[armlx]

I agree with ABR, though I still haven't read. Lynching either pair is the wrong play unless the other pair has come up as town.

Though I'm not sure if the lovers claiming is the best plan in the first place. I'll have to think about this as I reread.

[Korts]

Korts that was very scummy.

geez. and how?

[farside22]

If we are going ahead with the plan, then all the lovers have to claim.

Why? Korts is right. If we get the pair with the treacherous lover in it then why have the other lovers claim? Tell me how having the other lovers claim is good? I don't see a good reason for it at this point and it gives scum more of an advantage then the town.

[armlx]

Because best case its a 3 for 1, worst case its a 5 for 1. Neither is really number efficient for us now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're all mathematically challenged retards who can't crunch numbers properly.

The lover plan is downright stupid. And armlx is making compelling points, even though Jex was scummy as fuck.

Unvote, vote Korts

FOS: armlx

because he replaced Jex.

[silence]

The talk about the other lover pair claiming is incredibly horrible. If we want to go ahead with the lover plan, the knowledge of the other lover pair is not needed today. The other option is to lynch someone among the non-lovers, which also does not need knowledge of the unknown lover pair (although they may have to claim if we accidentally accuse one of them).

Both cases, the knowledge of the lover pair is useless today, so it's obviously better to keep that information secret and decide tomorrow whether they should claim.

Eldarad's point about that we should force the mafia to kill the other lover pair sounds good, we save a day compared to that we lynch both lover pairs. However mafia can apply the same logic and try to force us to lynch a loverpair first. Which is another reason to keep the other loverpair secret. Based on this I currently believe our best plan is try to lynch the lone goon among the set of people not confirmed to be lovers/doc, and try to not out the other pair of lovers.

Has Kravhen been prodded? An extension to the deadline might be in order if he gets replaced?

[Korts]

I have the urge to self-vote again.

[eldarad]

Even if you think eldarad is town, if dahill is the treacherous lover, then they have to die.

Why should the other set of lovers claim? In case they have a member who looks scummier than dahill?

Seth: Are you thinking of placing a vote somewhere before the deadline hits? What are your thoughts at the moment? Lynch dahill or Korts? Or is there a third option that you prefer?