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I'm confused by what you're trying to say here as well. You entered the game, noticed that Flameaxe placed a fourth vote on scotmany12 (which is something that you have now adamantly declared as scummy), and instead of placing a vote on Flameaxe (your so-called scummy-acting player) you placed a random vote on Patrick. And then when I question Mach-Mafia about his comment and subsequent vote on Flameaxe, you place a vote on me for the reasons you've now provided?Your Worst Nightmare wrote:
Because placing a forth vote on someone (and keeping it) afterIncognito wrote:Explain?10posts of actual game is already scummy in of itself (considering that 7 votes ends the day).Notfinding that somewhat suspicious is scummier still.
Something about this chain of events doesn't jibe well.
Mach-Mafia, what is so scummy about it? Why do you consider his vote to be so sneaky? He voted exactly the same way as anyone else would have voted and called someone a homo in the process. Calling someone a homo doesn't exactly constitute as "sneaky" behavior in my book. That seems more attention-grabbing than anything else.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:That is the scummiest action I have seen thus far.-
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You certainly have that affect on people.Flameaxe wrote:
It's true. He hates me.populartajo wrote:
Pretty simple. M&M is the first guy to vote for a reason. And Flameaxe, he knows I hate him.Patrick wrote:What's the thinking behind this pair of FoSes?
Add Gorrard and Your Worst Nightmare to the list.
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Unvote; Vote: Your Worst Nightmare
Not paying attention to that level of detail trumps not considering L-3 votes to be scummy in my book.
I appreciate this but how do you already know that your random powers are wrong?populartajo wrote:Also, unvote. My random powers are wrong.
As an aside: We all do realize that we have two week deadlines in this game right? It would be nice to hear from some of the quiets.-
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In this case, they were wrong, yes. My point for asking though was how were you already able topopulartajo wrote:
I think they are wrong, arent they?Incognito wrote:I appreciate this but how do you already know that your random powers are wrong?determinethat they were wrong? Did I do something in the threadalreadyto prove this to you?
Heh. I don't hate the guy but in Open 58 we sure got into some heated arguments.populartajo wrote:Flameaxe wrote:It's true. He hates me.Flameaxe wrote:Lies
I knew I wasnt alone.Incognito wrote:You certainly have that affect on people.
This could be correct. But the way you've asked about this is interesting. I would expect you to ask me something like this if I posted somewhere in between Akonas's vote in Post 86 and your post in Post 87 as if you were asking me to clarify some sort of inconsistency in my play (why didn't I question Akonas about his Post 86 if I called you out about something similar?). But since you beat me to it, why are you asking me about it? Are you trying to divert attention away from yourself?Your Worst Nightmare wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but these posts do mean Akonas looks just as suspicious to you as I am, right? I mean, he's doing the exact same thing you're using as argument to vote for me...-
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Miztef, I agree with some of what you've said here (posts being short and sweet, just passable as content). I disagree however with the portion I've italicized. scotmany12 has already mentioned his feelings about the four votes that accumulated on him:Miztef wrote:Scotmany, to me, is pinging my scumdar. He states "It was not scummy at all. I was in no danger of being lynched, at all." which makes sense, but in my opinion,seems a bit too comfortable, as if a scumbuddy voted him and he knew he was fine. his posts thus far have been short and sweet, for the most part just passable as content, I don't like it.
From the above quote, I get the feeling that he realized it was just a random bandwagon to get discussion going (and it did succeed at getting discussion going). I think for you to say that he felt "comfortable almost like a scumbuddy voted him" seems like a bit of a stretch to me.scotmany12 wrote:You know, I didn't view the four votes on em as a big deal. They were all random and meaningless. I didn't find the four votes on me scummy at all.
I hate these kinds of comments. If you feel this way, then inspire us to move away from that discussion then. Just because you find some uninspiring doesn't mean you get a free pass to not postSir Tornado wrote:The discussion in this game so far (about the fourth vote, Your Worst Nightmare being an alt or not, etc) has been uninspiring to me at best and hence you can see I haven't posted much in it.anything at all.
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I'm looking for something very distinct with ze Flameaxe to me try to get a better grasp of whether I think he's scum or not. I'd rather not reveal exactly what it is just yet, but I think it helped me figure both him and Nocmen-scum out in Open 58 on page 4 of that thread. He's one of the more difficult players to read, but I'm trying to meta him to see if the tell is consistent across his other scum-games.Patrick wrote:Incognito, how do I read Flameaxe?
I know. I hated it and was still at work so I couldn't switch back to my old one that's on my hard drive at home. It's changed now though. =)Patrick wrote:Why is your current avatar so bad?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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EBWOP: Insert the word "help" in between "to" and "me" in my first paragraph.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Easy there, Fancy Pants. I'm still in the research stage trying to determine if this tell goes across the board..Flameaxe wrote:You have a meta on me after one game? Do you consider that reliable?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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So? To a beggar jeans are quite fancy. Same jeans from the start of the game?Flameaxe wrote:
Still.Incognito wrote:
Easy there, Fancy Pants. I'm still in the research stage trying to determine if this tell goes across the board..Flameaxe wrote:You have a meta on me after one game? Do you consider that reliable?
Wearing.
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Why is it important that I explain my vote?scotmany12 wrote:
Can you please explain your vote. This is important.Incognito wrote:Unvote; Vote: Sir Tornado[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Well if you must know, I was on earlier, I saw Sir Tornado post within this Coney Island forum, I thought that he may have FINALLY posted in our very game, I learned that he didn't, and so I instinctively unvoted and placed a vote on Sir Tornado to hopefully draw out the lurker.
Plus I had a dream last night that this day ended and we lynched Sir Tornado who ended up being scum. I can't argue with my dreams.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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jack_dillon isn't a lurker. He hasn't posted anywhere on MS since Tuesday and will likely need to be replaced. I could have also easily voted for Akonas but unfortunately I only have one vote and again, it was more instinctive because I saw Sir Tornado post in one of his other games directly before I voted for him. I thought maybe he would have seen my vote and actuallysaidsomething finally but alas, that didn't pan over too well. Plus I was already in the process of criticizing Sir Tornado's attitude towards this game here: Post Number 102.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Meaning?Flameaxe wrote:Metagaming is tech.
That is all.
No shit, Sherlock.scotmany12 wrote:antitown=/=scum[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Miztef, Flameaxe, and scotmany12: You've all attempted to give Sir Tornado this out to explain that while Sir Tornado hasn't been posting, he could still be town-aligned. I would like each of you to point me in the direction of this meta that you all seem to have information about that supports this idea.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Just to put in my two cents, I'm of a slightly different opinion of Miztef. IAkonas wrote:Muddy position... on what? Whether he is an alt or not? I don't see why you care. I see wanting to know but I don't see how it matters, really.dohappen to think that the alt account thing does matter but for a different reason from Miztef. If YourWorstNightmare is an alt, I would like to meta-game him to see if the alt's owner actually supports the same position of "L-3 is bad" or not. If the alt's owner doesn't, then I'd realize that YWN was making a bigger deal of the scotmany12 situation than was necessary, and I'd be willing to allow my vote to carry to his lynch just based on that and other arguments that I brought up against him.
Akonas, you missed a few questions that Patrick had for you.
People need to fucking post, btw.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I read over Patrick's case against Gorrad and found myself nodding along with his interpretation of events. I won't be moving my vote to Gorrad just yet but it does bother me that Gorrad set up things so simply as "Who lies? Scum lie. I could feel the lynch unfold." when things aren't always as clear-cut as the way he seemed to portray. It also bothers me that he hasn't bothered to comment on anything else since the YWN discussion died down dramatically despite the fact that other events have happened since that point.
Not your total actions, no. The meta would be used more to help me determine if your feelings that "L-3 is always bad" went across the board no matter what game you were playing in or if you were trying to make a big deal out of nothing earlier.Your Worst Nightmare wrote:@Incognito, to discern if my actionsnoware suspicious or not, you need to know how I've played inpastgames? Games that I've played with different roles, with different moods, together with different people, and with much more free time than I have today?...
@The Jester:Not to rush you or anything, but I'm guessing you'll be providing some sort of a wrap-up of your interpretation of events sometime soon?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Good try.Gorrad wrote:Been playing Brawl, and have only skimmed the last bit. I'll try for a reread in the next day or so, but no promises. My schedule's mostly full till Sunday.
Unvote; Vote: Gorrad[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Yes and yes.Sir Tornado wrote:Do you have reasons to doubt that Incognito? Activity in other games?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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You should join the wagon. This vote is good through his lynch.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I see where Patrick is going with this so I'll prematurelyFoS: Miztef. I've been getting some strange buddy-up vibes from him anyway.
I'll go into a more thorough case against Gorrad later today.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Just because it's written in the V/LA thread doesn't make it biblical or written in stone. In fact, you posted the above in the V/LA thread on Tuesday about two days and 25 out-of-our game posts after suspicions of you began to arise from Patrick's questions. One of these out-of-game posts included you /in-ing for another game. I highly doubt you're so busy that you can't give this thread some attention but have enough time to potentially take on another game. It's also quite convenient that this absence of yours extends up until the point of our deadline. Were you just going to leave your vote on Your Worst Nightmare and hope that the "lynch unfolded" while you were away being non-contributory? Tunnel-visioning on one player and assuming that your first non-random vote is absolutely correct is not pro-town behavior.Gorrad wrote:Copied from V/LA:
Gorrad wrote:Brawl. OMGWTFBBQAWESOME!
Distracted until Sunday. Expect daily reads but not much more.
Confirm vote: Gorrad
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populartajo, I don't like what you're saying here:
You seem to be casting some suspicion towards three people in these series of snippets (me, Patrick, and Miztef) and basing these suspicions off of this premise that since we agree about one person (Gorrad), we're likely to be scum together if Gorrad turns up town.populartajo, in post 174, wrote:
Totally agree. The only thing I dont like about this is that you and Patrick seem to be strangely connected and pretty active lately with this lynch. You could be active townies, but if Gorrard is town then IWGMEOY.Incognito wrote:I read over Patrick's case against Gorrad and found myself nodding along with his interpretation of events. I won't be moving my vote to Gorrad just yet but it does bother me that Gorrad set up things so simply as "Who lies? Scum lie. I could feel the lynch unfold." when things aren't always as clear-cut as the way he seemed to portray. It also bothers me that he hasn't bothered to comment on anything else since the YWN discussion died down dramatically despite the fact that other events have happened since that point.
Again?Incognito wrote: see where Patrick is going with this so I'll prematurely FoS: Miztef. I've been getting some strange buddy-up vibes from him anyway.
Add this guy to the list of suspects if Gorrard comes up town.Miztef wrote:I think if Gorrad does not wish to post until after deadline, I'd be a bit more inclined to lynch him. It doesn't take that long to post a few lines, even if it isn't too much it's better then none.
I dislike this because very early on a number of people agreed on suspicions about Your Worst Nightmare but you had absolutely nothing to say about the agreement that arose at that time. It's only now that this agreement falls on Gorgon that you seem to be voicing some concern.
Also very early on in you had the following to say about agreement:
But with your most recent post, you seem to be contradicting your original viewpoint. Can you explain this inconsistency? Can you also explainpopulartajo, in his 7th post of the game, wrote:Is it scummy to agree with whatallMiztef and Incognito have just posted?
I dont think so.whyyou were worried about looking scummy at all?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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EBWOP: That should be Gorrad; not Gorgon... Gorgon's from my other game. =)[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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V/LA = Very limited access (to mafiascum).Your Worst Nightmare wrote:First of all, what does V/LA, LAL, and IWGMEOY mean?
LAL = Lynch All Liars. A policy some people actually believe in.
IGMEOY = I don't know why he added a W but in this form it means "I've got my eye on you".[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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When did Patrick ask me that?populartajo wrote:Of course I did. I said I agree with you. Your case was good, and Patrick has a good question for you, where's that case?
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No contradiction here. No inconsistency. And no worries. Diferent situations.Incognito wrote:But with your most recent post, you seem to be contradicting your original viewpoint. Can you explain this inconsistency? Can you also explain why you were worried about looking scummy at all?
I disagree with you. The situations were quite similar and there is most certainly a contradictionandan inconsistency between what you were saying early on and what you're saying now. Just because you say no, no, and no doesn't mean it's true. I'm providing in-thread evidence that suggests quite the opposite of your no, no, and no answers. I'd suggest that you explain the inconsistency instead of giving these slippery types of answers before I become tempted to label you as scummy.
You're not guilty for suspecting me; it's thepopulartajo wrote:Patrick, Incognito, why are you taking my suspicions so serious. Why am I guilty for suspecting you in case any of your targets come up townie tomorrow?wayyou've laid down these suspicions that makes me suspicious of you. It reminds me very closely of something you mentioned early on, which led me to believe that youmayhave implied knowledge that I'm a townie (I've underlined it):
The way you've attempted to connect Patrick with me and Miztef if Gorrad comes up town seems like you again may have some implied knowledge that Gorrad is town and you're attempting to lay down the carpet for your attack tomorrow. It doesn't look good to me.populartajo wrote:Pretty simple. M&M is the first guy to vote for a reason. And Flameaxe, he knows I hate him.
Add Gorrard and Your Worst Nightmare to the list.
Also, unvote. My random powers are wrong.
In other news, Gorrad has quickly reached L-1. I suggest nobody hammers until we get a role claim.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Urgh.Unvote.
Any counterclaims? The other person I had suspicions of was Your Worst Nightmare but nobody has really said much of anything to base my suspicions on. I'll wait to see if anyone else chimes in about this.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Any way we could get a prod on populartajo? I kinda wanna see his response to a few issues before deciding what to do with my vote.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I would not be lending my vote to a Flameaxe wagon. I know he hasn't really contributed much in typical Flameaxe fashion, but I'm actually getting a decent vibe coming from him and the stances he's taken with some of the arguments.Patrick wrote:I could go for Ether as well, albeit with some guilt because she's just replaced in. Incognito, have you got any further read on Flameaxe?
I disagree with the above and have a much more sinister read of populartajo. After reading through what populartajo mentioned around the time of the Gorrad-wagon, I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:Ether wrote:Tajo's hyperdefensiveness doesn't bother me. His one-twos did--but they were so over the top that they read more as an attempt to intimidate people off of the Gorradwagon than to get Gorrad lynched as town and prepare a Patrick/Incognito/Miztef lynch for tomorrow. Especially because he didn't vote Gorrad himself. If Gorrad's town, I can't see the one-twos as sinister, either.
Asking for the VC before voting seemed like a really bad attempt to seem pro-town to me, especially considering everything he mentioned before asking for the vote-count (voicing concern over Incog, Patrick, and Miztef on the possible Gorrad-town wagon but ready and willing to lend support to it after receiving a vote count?).populartajo wrote:Basically I agree with a Gorrard lynch. I havent liked for a while and his buddys (Flameaxe and scotmany) seem to have taken a vacation to brawl lands.But, I'd like a VC before, please.
Who's Ever?Ether wrote:Having said that, I agree that Ever needs to give his opinions. Gogogo.
Vote: populartajo
I agree with Ether's post 226 with respect to Mach-Mafia and would be willing to lend my vote to lynch him as well but would prefer a tajo lynch.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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*HEAD-DESK* *HEAD-DESK*populartajo wrote:
I was willing to lend my support to it, I found it a decent bandwagon for reasons stated but I simply wanted a VC before voting. Is it wrong to ask for a vote count? I dint know it.Incognito wrote: I disagree with the above and have a much more sinister read of populartajo. After reading through what populartajo mentioned around the time of the Gorrad-wagon, I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:
If I really wanted him lynched I simply could have written vote:Gorrad and it would have been fine. But, now you're suspecting me for asking VCs and not voting him? Really?
No comment.
What makes you think he was just surprised and not some other such emotion?Ether wrote:I see your point on this bit. Eh. I'd go along with a Tajolynch, I guess, but it still seems odd that a newbie would try to throw doubt on you and then get sosurprisedby the recoil.
I lol'ed.Gorrad wrote:I find C. most likely, then B. minus myself, then D., then A. I also like how you left yourself out of all those groups then asked people for opinions.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I've done a read on Miztef's previous games and his play here is more consistent with his town play in previous games. He seems like one of those players who looks scummy/wishy-washy as town but looks more town when he's scum.
Mini 518 is a good example of his town play in which he was Day 1 lynched due to wishy-washy play and vote hopping.
Masons and Mafia looks like a pretty good example of his scum play.
Nobody (with the exception of Patrick) seems to really see what I see about populartajo so I'llunvotewith the deadline approaching. I mentioned that I would lend my support to the Mach-Mafia wagon so I willvote: Machiavellian-Mafia.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I don't understand this quick flip either. Did you even in fact read through the games that I linked to in order to determine if you received the same vibe coming from him in this game as his past games or do you simply not care who is lynched today? What do you find to be scummy about Mach-Mafia?The Jester wrote:Deadline tomorrow.
We won't have enough, and no lynches are bad.
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Vote: MMThat makes 5, and I don't think people voting MM would vote Miz instead.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Looking at this list, my feeling is that The Jester was basically trying to buddy up to Your Worst Nightmare and anyone who supported Your Worst Nightmare at some point during the game. My feeling is that YWN is probably town because of this. Notice how he basically lists Patrick and Akonas as pro-town because they tended to side with Your Worst Nightmare, and he initially labeled me as more scummy because of my initial attacks against Your Worst Nightmare as well. When I diminished my attacks from YWN, he said that "I look better".Gorrad wrote:
Scum often name their partners similarly, and also will usually claim null-tells. Note that Mistef and Incognito both have the same result, and a fairly neutral one at that. Sir Tornado is also neutral.The Jester wrote:The portal will open in 3... 2.. 1. *Leaves room*
Flameaxe - Didn't like his vote on scot, but he's unvoted, and his posts feel content-less. Soufflé maybe?
Your Worst Nightmare - Doesn't seem suspicious, seems cautious.
Sir Tornado - Doesn't post much, unless it's inspiring. Grey.
Patrick - Understood YWN was joking, doesn't seem scummy.
populartajo - Feels like a silly newer player, agreed with Miz and Incong on everything or something?
Gorrad - #50, "Unvote, Vote: Your Worst Nightmare, what's with all the screaming?" What screaming? Four votes on someone when it only takes a few more on day 1 could be bad, oh wait because 3 mafia in a game is unlikely, right? Believes YWN is an alt, how stupid. The only reason he's in this game is because I asked him to. I asked him to because he loves Portal more then most. He plays mafia on a few other sites.
Miztef - 4 vote when it takes 7 to lynch day 1 is a potential speed-lynch = bad. Seemed to look suspicious and less so now.
Akonas - Same as Patrick, doesn't seem suspicious.
Machiavellian-Mafia - Feels grey to me right now, not too sure.
Incognito - I didn't like his vote reasons on YWN. Lately looks better.
scotmany12 - Seems okay, asking questions where questions should be. "They were all random and meaningless." (Concerning the votes on himself.)
Didn't we have some fun though? Remember when the platform was sliding into the fire pit and I said 'Goodbye' and you were like 'NO WAY!' and then I was all 'We pretended we were going to murder you'? That was great!
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Gorrad, did you have a look at the meta that I cited for Miztef in Post 260? The way Miztef has played here isGorrad wrote:Mistef has been considerably wishy-washy all game. Notable here is that the result on Sir Tornado is similar to the one The Jester gave Mistef and Incognito. It's a common scum tactic- Be suspicious so you can bus if required, but have overall protown tendencies.much moreconsistent with his town meta than his scum meta. I urge you to have a look through it to confirm this. As for Sir Tornado, I really can't answer on his behalf. And as for me, again, notice that he did initially list me as more scummy because my feeling is The Jester was buddying up to YWN and listing everyone attacking him as bad (including you, Gorrad).
Using this logic, you would have been able to list Patrick (a now confirmed townie) as scummy for being equally wrong. Keep in mind that he did target you (the claimed Gunsmith), and he did target populartajo.Gorrad wrote:Incognito, as I haven't covered him yet, has been very agressive, and towards the wrong people. Major scum vibes.
About this: My feeling is that Flameaxe just has a tendency to be a lot more involved in games where he's town. He posts often even if a lot of his content is somewhat useless and unrelated. When he's scum, I think he tends to be more lurkerish. Looking at that list created by The Jester, I think either Flameaxe or scotmany12 might be acceptable lynch candidates for today. The Jester calls Flameaxe's posts fluffy but doesn't really lean one way or another on him (he comes to the conclusion that he's Souffle?). Likewise with scotmany, he mentions that he likes his posts but scotmany wasn't exactly an avid poster. It makes no sense for The Jester to call Sir Tornado gray for being light on the posts but scotmany "okay" for having next to the same amount of content as Sir T.Ether wrote:
Please elaborate on your meta at some point.Post 231, Incognito wrote:I would not be lending my vote to a Flameaxe wagon. I know he hasn't really contributed much in typical Flameaxe fashion, but I'm actually getting a decent vibe coming from him and the stances he's taken with some of the arguments.
I won't be voting just yet until everyone checks in, but I think Flameaxe or scotmany12 would be acceptable lynches today.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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A few thoughts came to mind.
First, I'm a bit surprised by the mafia NK choice. Was Patrick's towniness really that much more important to the scum than two claimed power roles? Gorrad, the claimed Gunsmith, is still alive AND was able to investigate someone last night. Likewise Mach-Mafia, the claimed weak doctor, also is still alive and was able to protect Gorrad. Could this be indicative that the mafia do not have a roleblocker?
For the record, I do believe Gorrad's claim for a few reasons. First if Mach-Mafia is lying scum, he's confirmed Gorrad by mentioning that he's innocent from the get-go. Second, The Jester mentioned something that I don't think scum would say to his buddy after a role claim:
He questioned the role claim therefore trying to cast doubt towards Gorrad.The Jester wrote:YWN does have a point, how often are gunsmiths even in a mafia game? I haven't been in a game with one yet.
Mach-Mafia, do you function as a regular doctor with the exception of committing suicide if you attempt to protect scum? r u scumz?
Gorrad, you've suggested the idea of a cult if we have a vig and not an SK. Are vigs always accompanied by cults?
About this, we already have someone who claimed weak doctor who protected you last night so I don't think the doctor protected anyone from another NK during Night 1.Gorrad wrote:Or there was a doc protect last night, but I don't think we'd have three NKers in this size setup.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Ah, nice catch. I forgot about that vote on M-M.Ether wrote:I'm also surprised by the kill, but it doesn't really change my strategy. There's only so far a claimed protective role that clears people can go. (Also, in this instance, I do believe M-M due to Jester's unnecessary vote in 261.)[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Actually, I don't blame Gorrad for still being suspicious of you. Just because he investigated you and found that you did not kill last night doesn't mean you're not scum. It's possible that only one member of the mafia has to submit the kill and that person who submits the kill is the one who would come back as the person who killed for that night.Your Worst Nightmare wrote:and the whole situation could potentialy also explain why Gorrad can't dismiss the idea of me being anti-town, even though I have no killing ability
Ether also covered this already but yes, Sir Tornado and I didn't bicker.
Again, what she said. I'm guessing Pooky is NabNab but the point is Miztef's scum meta shows him as being more in control and a lot less wishy washy than his town meta. It doesn't mean that he definitely can't be scum here but I'm less inclined to believe so.Ether wrote:
Pooky's game implies Miztef is backwards.Post 308, YWN wrote:So Miztef starts playing scummy/wishy-washy all the time, and suddently he's town in all games he's in. Am I missing something?
P.S. Flameaxe is beginning to do exactly what I would expect him to do if he were scum.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Vote: Flameaxe
This is beginning to remind me of Open 58 all over again.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Who do you think is scum? Elaborate on your suspicions?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I don't hold the answer to that since I didn't kill him.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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So basically you're monitoring the thread but choosing not to contribute unless you're called out. Lurking much?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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The fact that you were able to read the very last sentence of post whatever of mine under an alt account and LOL about it doesn't really suggest that you're V/LA.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Flameaxe and scotmany12 have quite a nice 1-2 punch kinda thing going on here. Twice now I've called for more discussion from some of our more inactive players in a game of MAFIA and twice now I've been chastised for it. I vote for Sir Tornado early on and scotmany, in an eager rush to gain some pro-town creds, questions the difference between Sir T and Akonas and jack_dillon to which I reply. Then Flameaxe swoops in and mentions that metagaming is tech.
Now again I call out Flameaxe for lurking and question him about why he chooses not to contribute and in comes scotmany to the rescue again donning his cape and fucking spandex pants mentioning that he did some research and noticed that Flameaxe wrote that he would be V/LA LAST WEEKEND. Obviously I noticed that too, scotmany12, but what you failed miserably to notice was what Mach-Mafia so nicely summarized for me: Flameaxe has been plenty active on both his regular account and his alt account despite the fact that he's "V/LA".
I'd be very interested to see this:
sometime soon.scotmany12 wrote:Yay research. Anyways, I'll post stuff tomorrow. And stuff.
See, this is the kind of stuff that'll get you lynched in a heartbeat. Which is it? Do you think Flameaxe is scum or do you not like the wagon?Miztef wrote:I'm not liking the Flameaxe vote right now. However, it is starting to look probable that he is scum.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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But the reasoning isn't that he's unhelpful; it's that he waslurking. I don't buy the whole "OMG I POSTED WHEN INCOG CALLED ME OUT BY COINCIDENCE" crap. And it's only an easy opportunity for scum to lynch people when the person being lynched is town. Do youknowFlameaxe to be town here?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Hm, I wonder why you wanna ignore The Jester's list and contribution. Oh wait, I know why:scotmany12 wrote:What I did do was try to find connections between jester and anyone, and honestly, nothing stood out at all. I do not think there is much to gain from him.
The Jester wrote:scotmany12 - Seems okay, asking questions where questions should be. "They were all random and meaningless." (Concerning the votes on himself.)Unvote; Vote: scotmany12[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Eh? I thought I covered this already: Post 295.Ether wrote:I don't get Incognito's vote.
(Yes, I'm aware that we're on the same wagon.)
Okay, so you didn't say "ignore" but you said that nothing practical can be derived fromscotmany12 wrote:Where did I say ignore? Thanks for putting words in my mouth.anythingThe Jester mentioned within thread when, in Post 295 which I've linked above, I mentioned my feelings about what I feel The Jester was attempting to do with his list and why I felt like your position on his list stood out to me. To say that "not much can be gained from him" seems untrue.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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... are you in fact reading the thread? I covered Akonas already.scotmany12 wrote:@Incognito, the Jester did not take a solid stance on anyone besides maybe Gorrad. Interestingly, you seemed to ignore Akonas in that list. He was just as guilty as much as me/flame/sirt were of lurker, and the jester had him as not suspicious.
To repeat myself: My feeling is that The Jester's list was either a blatant attempt to protect a scum buddy (if you believe YWN is scum) or an attempt to buddy up to town (if you believe that YWN is town). I think it's more likely to be the latter in this case. The Jester listed Akonas as town citing "for the same reasons as Patrick"; i.e. because Akonas sided with YWN instead of attacking him, The Jester listed Akonas as town. Again, to repeat myself, I think The Jester was attempting to buddy up to YWN and anyone who sided with YWN early on.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Mod:Could you prod Sir Tornado or find a replacement?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Welcome, Guardian. Looking forward to your contribution.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Yeah, I should have made the transition clearer.Ether wrote:
Ah. Your timing in 352 was and still is unclear, though 295 is valid.Post 356, Incognito wrote:Eh? I thought I covered this already: Post 295
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember you actually explicitly mentioning why you found me suspicious. Care to explain?scotmany12 wrote:Will most likely be Miztef or Incognito.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Flameaxe, you're at L-1. You should probably claim soon.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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