I wanted to again point out something odd about Ether going last -- if she was scum considering a RB fake claim, she gets a lot of town cred if she makes up a RB result on whichever of me or Incognito was not the killer, and says "see, I *knew* the other was a killing role". By dint of her having gone last, she hasn't proved she *knew* anything.Incognito wrote:I'm inclined to believe this claim over Guardian's at the moment. I like the fact that Ether was able to surmise that I was the other killer based on the information she drew from the thread and through her own abilities if she is in fact the roleblocker.
Yeah, but the Gunsmith here isn't at all what a gunsmith normally is; I would not be surprised if the godfather isn't what it normally is, should there be one.Incognito wrote:I did read it, yes. I agree that YWN could be scum, but I'm less inclined to believe that Miztef is scum. I was under the impression that investigation immune Godfathers are immune to Cops but we don't have a Cop here; we have a Gunsmith.Guardian wrote:Incognito, why do you frame your belief in terms of "either or"? Did you read my previous post? Do you disagree that Miztef or YWN could be scum?
I disagree, because of what Gorrad said aboutI believe a Gunsmith is a more interesting role to include in a mini-game than a Cop because it doesn't give you a flat-out guilty or innocent result. Instead, it forces you to determine that if you find out someone is able to kill is that person most likely aligned on the side of the town or the scum. Therefore I doubt a Godfather would be immune to a Gunsmith's investigation.
I think it is just as reasonable to believe YWN is scum as Miztef, if they look scummy. Again, need to re-read, maybe our disagreement will be irrelevant if Miztef looks really town-like to me.I could however see a Traitor being immune to investigation early on (because he lacks the ability to kill at that point until the Goons die) and that's the instance where I could agree with YWN possibly being scum. But Miztef was just investigated last night and Gorrad found him to be clean. Therefore, I think Miztef is town.
Fair.See above about YWN and Miztef. I think it's rational for you to consider you and Ether town, yes, if YWN is scum.Guardian wrote:Do you find it irrational for me to consider that Ether and I are both town, YWN or Miztef is scum, and you are an SK? If so, why?
That's a great thing for a SK to do.I think it's irrational for you to consider the possibility of me being an SK. My targets have pretty much gone in line with my suspicions during the day
As you say, that's WIFOM.and I was the one who brought up the mass claim idea to circumvent the possibility of town thinking I'm an SK.[wifom]If I were an SK, I would not have done that.[/wifom]
I wasn't asking if you thought it should seem more likely from my POV that you are a vigilante than a SK, I asked if it was irrational to consider the possibility. I think you've overstepped a little bit, as you haven't really proven how it is irrational to consider it. I'd like you to clarify.