Mini 567 - iPick - Game Over: The Stunning Conclusion

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Public questions:
On a scale of 1-10, how bastardly do you want the game to be (10 = evil)?

6

On a scale of 1-10, how complex/unbalanced are you comfortable with
roles being (10=lol)?

8

Rank these themes, in order from best to worst:

Literary Characters
Things that don’t make sense
Historical Disfigurements
Authority Figures
Existentialism
Pokemon, Digimon, & Harry Potter

Flavor is good

[hasdgfas]

Xtoxm: If you hate literary characters, you need to go die, then get resurrected, then die again, then get resurrected again, then finally read a book, then have the main character kill you so you can find out how awesome literary characters are, then get resurrected again and rethink your list.

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better yet, make it a magnetic paranoid skulker gun owner who kills everyone who targets him, and every night action gets redirected to him.

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I'm excited.

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I'm excited.

@hasdagas, did you know that I am lactose-intolerant?

What does this have to do with anything?

[hasdgfas]

Sounds good

Vote: Guardian

[hasdgfas]

NabNab has what I believe to be an excellent post about the dangers of massclaim. In addition, who is to say that scum don't have powers that would normally be pro-town but due to this game and its insanity, a scum actually has them?

I will

vote: xtoxm

and

FoS: vollkan

because I believe that it's scummier to agree with a not-necessarily well-thought-through plan than suggest it, because the one suggesting it might honestly think it is the best thing, while others can more easily see flaws with the plan.

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Dishonest suggestion and honest support is possible, but for a massclaim in this kind of game day 1? I prefer the dishonest support for this case. I haven't decided upon the honesty of the suggestion yet.

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You are making absolutley no sense

That's exactly the point, Xtoxm.

I'm gonna claim if I get another vote on me guys.

Why? How many votes do you have right now?

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I told you the reason for the story as I saw it. No one commented.

I liked your explanation for it.

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Well, I don't think Paradox is scum, not liking this wagon.

Do you mind explaining why?

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Para: when the first thing that someone says is "I propose a mass claim" who

wouldn't

assume they meant immediately, or during day 1?

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Anyone not suspicious of Adel hasn't played with Adel.

That is completely true.

[hasdgfas]

Why are we claiming

anything

already?

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I still don't understand

why

you think that Adel is scum, Xtoxm. Because she's against massclaiming? That's usually a town reaction rather than a scum reaction.
You can say:

Happy with my vote on Adel...

Still happy with my vote on Adel.

Still think Adel would be a good lynch.

as many times as you want, but unless you actually provide reasoning, it's an attack through repetition, and that's not a good argument at all.

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I was just about to post the same exact thing, vollkan.

response, Xtoxm?

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GAH, Xtoxm. Nobody wanted you to claim yet, why did you? It seems to me that you're trying too hard to get the town to stop talking about you.

[hasdgfas]

Lynch Adel.

You keep saying this, but you aren't providing any good reasoning at all. Please elaborate your suspicions on Adel.

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I disagree here.

He has declared an intention not to leave the game.

Lurking usually involves some degree of posting (eg. "I'm here and finding it hard to keep up"). More likely, he will either play as normal, or not play at all. His actions here give him no justification for lurking, and if he attempts to get by without posting, he will be replaced.

Xtoxm is not lurking

nor did he ever declare the intention to lurk.

As far as he knew, he was dead. If anything, he quit.

First of all, I think it'd be ridiculous for someone to present any INTENTION to lurk.

Volkan, you say his actions give no justification for lurking. But he's not here! He's no posting! How is that any different than lurking? And yet you're not holding it against him. He'll probably show up again after a prod, but he still get's like 72hrs where he has an excuse to not post.

I don't think Xtoxm is as stupid as you guys seem to think. I think he's playing on your perceptions of his stupidity so he can just disappear for awhile. What kind of person leaves a game before the mod even posts their death? Especially in a game as warped as this one, I'd wait to make sure nothing unusual happens. And I don't think it's the norm to say that you're removing the game from your watched topics. That's what makes me think Xtoxm is trying to mislead us.

To say as far as Xtoxm knew, he was dead doesn't make sense. Until the mod tells you, as far as you know, you're alive.

Lawrencelot, if you are considering the Xtoxm Adel scumteam, then it's believeable that Xtoxm has acted stupid on purpose, and the fact that he's done it so much regarding Adel is what makes them both suspect. It would explain why Adel called xtoxm a VI, trying to justify his scumminess.


I think there is more method to Xtoxm's madness than some are willing to believe.

Unvote Vote: Xtoxm

I'll be interested in what he has to say when he gets back.

This entire post just seems a bit off to me. Paradox, have you ever played with Xtoxm before? This is how he plays all the time. I don't think he expected a fake dayvig because I don't think he's seen that before. I feel you're giving him too much credit and trying to get an easy lynch.


Also: I thought I posted something a couple days ago, but it apparently didn't go through. Sorry about that.

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wait a second, some sort of doctor? I personally don't believe that at all. I need to hear more specifics about the sort of doctor that you are, because saying what you said in the way you did appears to be a "I need a claim to keep me alive" claim.

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I don't like Para's behaviour, but I won't vote him. We shouldn't risk losing a doctor. And his latest post makes me think he's town.

Vote: hasdfgas

.

You do realize that we have 2 claimed Doctors, right? Xtoxm claimed Napoleon's Dynamite, Doctor, now paradoxombie claimes Neville Longbottom,

some sort of doctor.

I want clarification for that. Note how I'm not voting for para at the moment simply because I want clarification.

And which post makes you think he's town? The one saying how many paragraphs are in his role PM? Or a different one?

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scum looking for a claim could easily misread 9.75 and pick a HP character name.

Which is why I want para to answer the questions that I asked him, which led to a vote on me from Lawrencelot, who gave no reasoning behind the vote from what I can see.

[hasdgfas]

Guardian has asked me to keep playing until my death is announced.

Why are you voting me shaft.ed?

How about you read his post right above yours to find out?

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So does he still know what he's doing paradox?

I don't know, but I'd expect him to act the way he is now either way.

Unvote, Vote: Adel

I don't like her habit of not explaining herself, and I don't like her tactics regarding Xtoxm. Not sure if she's scum, but I think she's scummy, and deadline nears.

Out of curiosity para, have you ever played with adel before?

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Sorry, guys, just got Brawl.

So did I, but that's not an excuse to totally drop off from posting in your games.

I realize there's a deadline, but I think Para and Xtoxm are both not very good lynches.

Elaboration please?

I really want to lynch someone, however, but prefereably someone like Adel/xyzzy/hasdgfas.

Unvote

, switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.

Again, elaboration please? And you're leaving yourself open to 3 entirely different lynches without even saying why you like them as a lynch? Scummy, to say the least.

hasdfgas: admittedly, I didn't realize there were 2 doc claims. Your explanation was sufficient, but still I have a feeling you're not very protown.

A "feeling?" Is that the best you can muster with regards to a case on me and why I'm scummy?

I'll answer your questions when I have time.

You're posting, therefore you should have time to answer the questions posed to you. Posting something saying "I'll post an answer when I have time" has often meant (from what I've seen) "I'm going to say I'm going to answer the questions, but in reality I'll hope that he forgets about the questions." It's like active lurking, coming in to post "I don't have time to post now, wait until later" and then never doing it.

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No I don't think he's a good lynch, How about xyzzy

Why?
Xtoxm, nobody is going to believe you if you have no reasoning behind your thoughts.


Possible Thought: Xtoxm, do you have a Post Restriction?

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the vote was because I thought you didn't believe Para's role at all. How sure are you that Para is lying/speaking the truth?

I'm not sure either way, to be honest. I still want clarification on what Para means when he said "some kind of doctor." That can mean any number of different things, and because he claimed doctor, some people don't want to lynch him. I still want him to answer that question, because he seems to have ignored it in all posts since the question, which doesn't make me feel any better about him.

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I've already said everything there is to my role. There's nothing left to clarify.

You have not done that. You said you were "some kind of doctor." That could mean many different things. Please be more specific.

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EBWOP: I now see that you answered in post 497. Apologies for missing it earlier.

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unvote

I find Xtoxm slightly less scummy than before, so my vote comes off to help us keep from no-lynching

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shaft.ed is on Rogueben too

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Is there a hammer in the room?

Don't we want a claim first?

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Xtoxm: shaft.ed is voting for Rogueben also. You have no special powers. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Lawrencelot is ridiculously scummy for that since we all said that we wanted a claim first.

Pre-day 2 HoS: Lawrencelot

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So wait, we had a Post Restricted Doctor die, Xtoxm claimed Doctor yesterday, and Paradoxombie claimed a doctor that dies if he targets an antitown player. Something doesn't add up for me. I don't think that we have 3 doctors.

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Guardian is a better mafia player than Mister Flay.

Is there a point to this?

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also Hasd, Nab wasn't post restricted, he was a "post restriction doctor", as in one who protects from post restrictions. Or at least that's how I read it. Sounds like the counter to the post restriction giver.

Ah. that sounds about right.

[hasdgfas]

We should mass name claim. I'm sure scum have fake claims, but now seems like an appropriate time to do so. Any time today will work. Then we can full claim tomorrow or later.

What do people think of this?

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Notice how NN died by choking on Gillyweed.

Gillyweed is something that could easily be used by Neville Longbottom.

In addition,

HoS: paradoxombie

Yes, the hand. Flipping around your views on nameclaiming because of one person's opinion? No. No. No. Again I say no. What terrible, horrible, no good, very bad play.

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Also:
Where were you when Lawrencelot saved RB(Rogueben, not roleblocker, Xyzzy) solely because shaft.ed said he was town? Because you certainly weren't so outspoken then.

And although you were, I have a problem with the post:

I really don't like how Lawrencelot is basing his actions off other player's opinions. And I don't like Shaft.ed's role directing.

Your view has changed significantly since twilight yesterday. While that may be slightly because of your role results, what do you think about Lawrencelot's action now that you're 95% sure that shaft is town? I would like to know, because you seem to be siding with Lawrencelot now.

And I seriously don't like how you asked for everyone's opinion about Xyzzy's suggestion without giving your own. And you still haven't. I mean it must be awfully easy to not change your opinion when you never give one. Now tell me, do you think a player asking for opinions without giving their own is scummy?

Not inherently. I find there to often be ulterior motives when people do something like that. I do, however, force them to give their opinion once I've given mine. This part of your post makes me view you as slightly more town than before.

Therefore, since I have been asked, my opinion on nameclaiming. I think it would be somewhat useful, to be honest. I am somewhat sure that there are rolenames that scum, if they have them, would not want to claim, leading to a rather iffy fakeclaim that doesn't fit.

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Your view has changed significantly since twilight yesterday. While that may be slightly because of your role results, what do you think about Lawrencelot's action now that you're 95% sure that shaft is town? I would like to know, because you seem to be siding with Lawrencelot now.

I don't like anybody trusting a player based on a single day's read. But there seems to be alot of inside info around, in addition to us all being powerroles, so I'm not going to read into it anywhere near as much as I would in a normal game. I only brought it up because you didn't mention Lawrencelot at all when he gave no explination, but jumped on me when I think I had a fairly reasonable one.

That was on, Saturday, right? Between the time that Lawrencelot said that and night fell, I didn't get a chance to post in this game because I was traveling and had other things to do. Believe me, I would have said something about it if I had the chance.

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Ben I visit you
at night anything happen?
Nibbler's heart is big

It's looking likely you blocked him.

It does look likely, doesn't it? Unless someone wants to claim a roleblock of RB( ) or wants to claim a protect of Paradoxombie, I'd say that shaft probably roleblocked RB(:P).

Also,

vote: Xtoxm

At the moment, this is only to check if I have a double vote.

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Paradoxombie
Why am I a confirmed town
Nibbler's breathe is sweet

because I protected you last night, and I would be dead if you were scum.

Boy that sounds like it could be a scum role also. Mafia doctor who has to protect a townie? It's possible. I'm not saying it's the likeliest possibility, but in this game I could believe it.

Also, why would you come out with your result immediately upon the beginning of the day? Isn't that one of those things that you'd keep quiet about until he came under suspicion?

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Oh how interesting. That'll be fun to try to remember all day. Please try to remind me so I don't accidentally lynch someone.

unvote

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So who killed Nabnab?

A "Harry Potter characters" scumgroup? Just a wild guess based somewhat on rule 9.75.

PPE:

Oh how interesting. That'll be fun to try to remember all day. Please

try to remind me so I don't accidentally lynch

someone.

unvote

fos

I'm not saying I'm going to forget, but I'm not used to having a double vote, and if someone suspicious was at L-2, I might accidentally vote for them. I don't want that to happen.

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It was hadgfas asking us to remind him that made me fos him. It seems to me like he could be trying to set up an out for himself (like "I told you guys to remind me!") for hammering a townie today.

If I were to do that, go ahead and accuse me for it, because I'd totally deserve that. I just want a second line of defense because I'm not used to having 2 votes.

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wtf! I go out of my way to ensure that we don't get another "accidental" lynch, and you vote me for it.

Something here doesn't make much sense to me.

Don't forget what game this is.

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Paradoxombie
Why am I a confirmed town
Nibbler's breathe is sweet

because I protected you last night, and I would be dead if you were scum.

Boy that sounds like it could be a scum role also. Mafia doctor who has to protect a townie? It's possible. I'm not saying it's the likeliest possibility, but in this game I could believe it.

Also,

why would you come out with your result immediately

upon the beginning of the day? Isn't that one of those things that you'd keep quiet about until he came under suspicion?

Para's play was right
Cow is looking more scummy
Nibbler good in bed

unvote, vote:hasdgfas

shaft.ed, I'm not talking about the quoted post there, I'm talking about this:

So I guess existentialists are antitown?

Well, Shaft.ed is town.

Before anything else happens, he says that you're town. What good reason is there to say that immediately?

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scum would not double
PR me xyzzy is town
Nibbler has firm arms

I find this rather untrue. There are many possibilities for the 2nd PR, and scum double PR'ing you is one that shouldn't be discounted

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Something is bugging me about Adel this game. I can't quite put my finger exactly on what it is, but here are some things I've seen.

this is the BBCode we should use to determine the first person to claim their role name:

1. cicero
2. Adel
3. xyzzy
4. Rogueben
5. Lawrencelot
6. vollkan
7. hasdgfas
8. Xtoxm
9. Paradoxombie
10. NabakovNabakov
11. shaft.ed

Code: Select all

[dice]1d11[/dice]

That number is the number of the person who claims.

Isn't the dice roll order kinda outdated? Why not by who we find scummiest?

cicero has been prodded.

has cicero

ever

been prodded before? fos.

I'm not sure that this should mean much. Things come up and people don't post, I'm not sure how telling that is.

I don't need a crib sheet to see that only 1 out of cicero's last 50+ posts on this site has been on this page. He has the time to post

everywhere

else besides here...

vote:cicero

Again, sometimes someone needs a few days away from a game in order to understand it better. I'm not liking Adel's suspicion on cicero simply for not posting much in this game.

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@cicero: what exactly is your post restriction? which posts broke that rule?

unvote, vote:cicero

Adel, if you don't know what it is, you're not reading the game. He's already said what it is.

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hasdfgas, could you vote someone who has no votes plz?

I suppose.

vote: Lawrencelot

[hasdgfas]

I think Adel needs to claim at this point.

[hasdgfas]

I think Adel needs to claim at this point.

doctor with additional information... I am a harry potter character.

Which one

[hasdgfas]

Lord Voldermort.

(sucks to be me right now)

Do you mind sharing your additional information that has to do with your doctor role? We already have a couple doctor claims, so I think it's important that we know other stuff regarding your role, because I can't believe that we have as many doctors as have claimed.

[hasdgfas]

unvote

this wasn't supposed to stay on.

[hasdgfas]

I believe Adel's rolename, but the claim, especially with the night action, seems a bit iffy. In addition, the fact that her play has seemed iffy to me all game makes me think that an Adel lynch wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

ZZ just seems a bit, I don't know what this game. I could live with a lynch of him as well.

Other than that, this game still has my head going in circles.

[hasdgfas]

Well...I'm happy for Xyyxy to be lynched atm...He's still being really queit...And Mystery could be scum...

If zz wants to avoid being lynched, he has to provide a good reason for it, because Mystery role could be scum, and he hasn't provided anything extremely useful all game.

[hasdgfas]

OK, ZZ hasn't said a thing

vote: xyzzy

[hasdgfas]

Adel what does not
make sense about your own role
Nibbler has tone abs

I ask this again
Adel please answer this time
Nibbler has nice ass

I'd guess my role name (lord voldermont) being pro-town. or him being a doctor, but I'm not familiar with HP.

Am I the only
one bothered by this answer?
Nibbler has cute toes

has comment on this
Z do any more than lurk?
Nibbler has nice hair

Well, LV being pro-town doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Neither does him being a doctor. It's actually a vaguely similar story with my own role, so I could believe it.

ZZ has lurked, claimed Mystery role, which is iffy in the best of circumstances, and then has had times where he's come in and not really contributed anything. I'm happier lynching him than Adel at this point, because they both seem about equally scummy, and we can live without ZZ's mystery role, which, what? Gives PR's? more than a doctor, even if it's a doctor that kills other doctors.

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Gives PR's? more than a doctor, even if it's a doctor that kills other doctors.

Adel does not give
PR's? look at cicero
Nibbler has nice eyes

I parsed that sentence terribly, my apologies. It was supposed to sound something like "We can afford a zz lynch more than an Adel lynch because zz appears to give PR's while Adel claimed doctor." I was trying to put it in a different way and it didn't come out how I wanted at all.

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Well, that only works in a complete 50/50 situation, which is more than extremely rare, I think...

Except that there wasn't a clear leader for me in the "who do I want to lynch more" category.

[hasdgfas]

Gives PR's? more than a doctor, even if it's a doctor that kills other doctors.

Adel does not give
PR's? look at cicero
Nibbler has nice eyes

I parsed that sentence terribly, my apologies. It was supposed to sound something like "We can afford a zz lynch more than an Adel lynch because zz appears to give PR's while Adel claimed doctor." I was trying to put it in a different way and it didn't come out how I wanted at all.

How were you so quick
to understand my meaning?
Nibbler has nice eyes

I knew when I looked at the sentence again that it didn't look right, but I couldn't edit it and wasn't sure exactly how I could put it to make it look right, so I waited until someone mentioned something that didn't look right to them, so I could correct exactly what it was that people didn't understand.

Plus, the haikus really aren't that hard to understand.

[hasdgfas]

so you think Adel
gave cicero the PR?
Nibbler has cute toes

It's possible, but that's not what I was referring to at all.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas NOT resurrecting NabakovNabakov night two was also interesting to me; he told me afterwards that he wasn't sure that was the right choice.

Yeah, as soon as I saw I was dead, I immediately knew I should have rezzed NabNab that night instead.
Mostly, it was because I didn't expect to die that night. I thought it would be someone else who was much more pro-town than I thought I was, who I could revive the next night. Why was I killed, anyway? I'm rather curious about that, because I didn't think my play was that great this game. PPE:(I think I'll read the scumtalk to possibly figure this out)

Although I'm flattered I got the double vote, that kinda has the same question with it that my kill did. I don't know why I was targeted with that.

Let's see, what else did I have to say about this game....
I'm not sure now, but I know it'll come to me. I'll post when I remember what I was going to say.

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DGB, I'd still like an answer to the question of why I was the one to receive the double vote day 2. I didn't think I was playing so pro-town as to receive something like that.

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DGB, I'd still like an answer to the question of why I was the one to receive the double vote day 2. I didn't think I was playing so pro-town as to receive something like that.

No one seemed hugely town, but you did. To me, anyway!

well, I guess things do look different from "outside" the game.