Mini 567 - iPick - Game Over: The Stunning Conclusion

[Rogueben]

Hey guys.

I'm really sorry I haven't posted in a while. I currently only have access at uni (posting from a friends place atm) as my access has been cut off at home due to a banned IP address.

I'm talking to JEEP about fixing this, I'll try and catch up tomorrow.

[Paradoxombie]

With 11.11 posts per day, you'd think cicero would have the chance to repond to my questions.

And Xyzzy is seriously lurking. 2 posts? Come on.

Unvote, Vote:Xyzzy

[cicero]

What questions, my friend?

[Paradoxombie]

These:

Cicero, I'm interested in why you think the Mod still hasn't completed the game? Also, your opinion that people's names might give up clues about their role seems off. We all have roles, so couldn't a player who felt their name gave away something simply state that for themselves? Xtoxm has already admitted his role has nothing to do with his name and I'm willing to admit the same.

You seem to imagine only negative possibilities, when surely you can just as easily imagine positive possibilities in the fashion I did. You seem to believe that scum may have fakeclaims. I'm not sure how common that is, but if the mod was warning us against claiming as you, yourself, interpreted, isn't that a potential sign?

[cicero]

I'll answer this question if a majority of people wish me to do so.

don't answer it.

QFT

[cicero]

These:

Cicero, I'm interested in why you think the Mod still hasn't completed the game? Also, your opinion that people's names might give up clues about their role seems off. We all have roles, so couldn't a player who felt their name gave away something simply state that for themselves? Xtoxm has already admitted his role has nothing to do with his name and I'm willing to admit the same.

You seem to imagine only negative possibilities, when surely you can just as easily imagine positive possibilities in the fashion I did. You seem to believe that scum may have fakeclaims. I'm not sure how common that is, but if the mod was warning us against claiming as you, yourself, interpreted, isn't that a potential sign?

Ah those. Well they seem to be trying to do through the backdoor what I've expressly opposed doing through the front door. You are fishing for information about my role quite brazenly. Actually I pretty much think they deserve a

Vote: Paradox

Maybe everything you've said about roles is consistent with mine. Maybe it's all wrong. Maybe I have reason to agree with you. Maybe I have reason to disagree with you. But I'm not discussing roles - flavor or role - at this time.

I will say the following to everyone:

- you cannot know if your role name will help scum find out your role. You simply

cannot

know that. Because all Guardian has to do is put in a role that says "give me so and so's flavor name and you'll get an answer as to their role". I do not know that such a role is not in this game. Honestly that's a pretty weird role and is unlikely, but this is a weird game so I rule absolutely nothing out. And the more I get pressed to reveal info about my role, the more I have to assume there's a good reason why I shouldnt.

- Safe claims: Sometimes scum have them. Sometimes they do not. The more elaborate the setup, the greater the likelyhood that they have safe claims. This is a fairly elaborate set up.

[shaft.ed]

Can I ask for no voting until the next vote count please, I know that causes people to not play correctly, but we need to figure out if 1) I have a double vote 2) lawrence has a double vote or 3) the first person to 3 gets an extra vote. Thanks, and paradox or rogueben can you please unvote. One more votecount and this should be worked out.

[Adel]

cicero: would you mind providing links to games where you were scum?

[cicero]

Yes. Because I cant be bothered to dig up the links for you. but I don't mind if you go find them. They are Food Fight Mafia and Mafia 65 New Vinci, which got abandoned. I think that's it actually.

[vollkan]

@Xtoxm:

Given your recent question, I'm somewhat curious: How would you propose that we go about rolename claiming, mass claiming, etc.? Essentially, what do you think is the best approach?

[Xtoxm]

Popcorn!

[Xtoxm]

I agree xyzzy needs to be pressured.

unvote vote xyzzy

.

Still think Adel would be a good lynch.

[shaft.ed]

Popcorn!

Caramel, buttered or white cheddar?

Sorry guys I should be trying a bit harder in this game. I've got two games in critical stages (that's about my capacity), so I'll be a lot more into this one in a bit. I'll go on record as saying I'm finding most of the conversation thus far to be mostly bickering about game theory and the meaning of words.

[shaft.ed]

Also it seems as though my vote testing is interfering with the flow of the game.

unvote vote: vollkan

This is purely to see if I'm a double voter

[Xtoxm]

Popcorn!

Caramel, buttered or white cheddar?

Um...Salted?

[NabakovNabakov]

These:

Cicero, I'm interested in why you think the Mod still hasn't completed the game? Also, your opinion that people's names might give up clues about their role seems off. We all have roles, so couldn't a player who felt their name gave away something simply state that for themselves? Xtoxm has already admitted his role has nothing to do with his name and I'm willing to admit the same.

You seem to imagine only negative possibilities, when surely you can just as easily imagine positive possibilities in the fashion I did. You seem to believe that scum may have fakeclaims. I'm not sure how common that is, but if the mod was warning us against claiming as you, yourself, interpreted, isn't that a potential sign?

Ah those. Well they seem to be trying to do through the backdoor what I've expressly opposed doing through the front door. You are fishing for information about my role quite brazenly. Actually I pretty much think they deserve a

Vote: Paradox

Maybe everything you've said about roles is consistent with mine. Maybe it's all wrong. Maybe I have reason to agree with you. Maybe I have reason to disagree with you. But I'm not discussing roles - flavor or role - at this time.

I will say the following to everyone:

- you cannot know if your role name will help scum find out your role. You simply

cannot

know that. Because all Guardian has to do is put in a role that says "give me so and so's flavor name and you'll get an answer as to their role". I do not know that such a role is not in this game. Honestly that's a pretty weird role and is unlikely, but this is a weird game so I rule absolutely nothing out. And the more I get pressed to reveal info about my role, the more I have to assume there's a good reason why I shouldnt.

- Safe claims: Sometimes scum have them. Sometimes they do not. The more elaborate the setup, the greater the likelyhood that they have safe claims. This is a fairly elaborate set up.

Not to mention role cops. I remember breifly replacing into PJ's Animaniacs Mafia where there was a "Human Cop" and a "Gender Cop" who could verify or refute name/role claims.

Has no one thought to

Prod xyzzy

?

[Guardian]

Prod sent to xyzzy.

[hasdgfas]

I still don't understand

why

you think that Adel is scum, Xtoxm. Because she's against massclaiming? That's usually a town reaction rather than a scum reaction.
You can say:

Happy with my vote on Adel...

Still happy with my vote on Adel.

Still think Adel would be a good lynch.

as many times as you want, but unless you actually provide reasoning, it's an attack through repetition, and that's not a good argument at all.

[Xtoxm]

I think Adel is a good lynch, guys.

[Adel]

I am happy with Xtoxm's vote on Adel as well.

[vollkan]

Popcorn!

Is this a nonsense answer, or do you want a popcorn mass claim?

[Xtoxm]

Were we to do it, that's how I want it done.

Only supportive of a rolename claim in the forseeable future.

[vollkan]

Only supportive of a rolename claim in the forseeable future.

How odd....

you sir are not aware of the world you exist within. There easily could be a benefit for scum resulting from a massclaim, and are several reasons a scum player might suggest one.

Adel, why are you against massclaiming? Because you are scum and have nothing to claim?

vote Adel

And your second-to-last post:

I think Adel is a good lynch, guys.

So let me get this straight: Adel is scum for opposing a massclaim which you yourself do not want?

[hasdgfas]

I was just about to post the same exact thing, vollkan.

response, Xtoxm?

[Adel]

I think his "response" is going to be hanging by a tree limb, lynched.

unvote, vote:Xtoxm