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[havingfitz]

^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.

If that was directed at me I'll vote soon enough. I'm still leaning towards Unknown but I'd like to see Terata's response to IAIs case/vote before this day ends.

[I Am Innocent]

Fitz, thanks for waiting until Terata responds/votes. I'd appreciate it if you wait until that happens and we can discuss.

[I Am Innocent]

Also, where did Terata lead a counter train on you? How close were you to dying?

1.) I don't remember her leading that train at all.

2.) if you were about to be lynched, I could see it as distancing if she thought that you were a guaranteed lynch.

Why would Terata start a scum wagon on Sheep when she just could have supported

the L-2 Lowell wagon

or lurk?

1) Not sure how much leading she did but she got the ball rolling.

2) possibly...

1) And right before that Terata parked a vote on me and nothing happened.

People keep acting like Terata was like, sheep is so scummy, vote sheep! That was actually frogger....terata spent most of the day semi-defending sheep.

[Unknown1234]

Terata isn't even showing up and yet people couldn't care less. She also defended me and said I was probably Town, which should be a sin for you because there's no way I'm Town.

What does this post even mean? Only two votes are in play...one on you. Why the whinging?

Obviously it's not LYLO unless there's a role or something that could make it otherwise (that I haven't heard of).

My point being that I'm not scum, and you and Lowell have already expressed your desire to vote me. Me and I am Innocent will vote Terata, which means that she can't vote anyone but me. I'm town, therefore this makes the game increasingly more difficult because you would only have one miss lynch left.

Im defending myself because I'm Town, and I know that my lynch is a step back in the right direction.

[Unknown1234]

^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.

I said I'd vote if we were done discussing.

[Unknown1234]

^^^ It's also presumably not even lylo, so I'm not sure why we all have to just sit on our dicks not voting.

If that was directed at me I'll vote soon enough. I'm still leaning towards Unknown but I'd like to see Terata's response to IAIs case/vote before this day ends.

If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?

[Unknown1234]

Remember when you actually Town-read me, Havingfitz? Means you clearly found some sort of Town points on me that are non-existent now.

[havingfitz]

Lowell....what do you think of the Terata case?

[Unknown1234]

It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?

[Unknown1234]

K, in a bit I'm just gonna quote my posts and say why I'm Town because apparently people think I'm scum.

[havingfitz]

If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?

Where is this stated? Just because two ISOs on other players didn't have anything positive towards you doesn't mean it applies to your entire body of content. One of the reasons I haven't voted you is because I need to closer look you.

[havingfitz]

It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?

I'm actually in the middle of a Terata ISO // IAI case review this very moment.

[Unknown1234]

From what I've seen at page 20, Naomi has been way too fence sitting IMO. She spends most of her time into reading and making Town-reads, but the one thing I have rarely seen is her digging into scum-reads. It's way too easy for scum to make Town-reads because they know who Town is and and can find the townie parts in people's posts.

I also notice that so many people have Town-reads on her that aren't explained in any depth. Unless people mention "she is providing lots of content" which I do not find her content to be scum-hunting.

I hear she replaced out or something? Will find that later I guess.

Wow, early scum-hunting! If effort is AI and I got straight into the game when I replaced in that must mean im Town. Well, that logic is crap but I am Town and developed reads as soon as I got in.

[Unknown1234]

It's like you can't build your own opinion without someone else's help. What do YOU think about it?

I'm actually in the middle of a Terata ISO // IAI case review this very moment.

Good! I look forward to seeing it. (Sarcasm not intended in this post)

[Unknown1234]

If I've done nothing Town why are you only "leaning" towards me?

Where is this stated? Just because two ISOs on other players didn't have anything positive towards you doesn't mean it applies to your entire body of content. One of the reasons I haven't voted you is because I need to closer look you.

You actually said I've done nothing Town when I asked you. Or something similar. I'm sick and have a headache but I'm fairly certain this did happen.

[Unknown1234]

offering to claim early as a protective is objectively bad town play. you want to stop a night kill if you are town, not draw the night kill. ESPECIALLY to have urgency to claim that on an odd day for an odd-night power. It's a bit more understandable if it were day 2 and he couldn't use it going into N2.

I think he'd know that as a town rolestopper.

Ergo, scum is the more likely possibility.

Issue with posts like this is that people have often expressed WhemeStar as an inexperienced scum or an inexperienced town. However, suddenly with this claim people don't even consider the possibility that they had no idea what to do and just claimed to prevent a miss lynch.

Could be wrong, but I'm starting to feel like the arguments on WhemeStar are way too one-sided.

More observations, I actually develop my reads by changing my opinion on Wheme despite them being the leading train.

[Unknown1234]

are you going to chide Gerry for that while you lurk all game?

Yes. Because I'm actually taking a stance and providing my thoughts on slots, despite my low activity. He's not.

Yo Penguin just hops on the big wagon every time too

Which happened to be on my two expressed scum reads prior to - at least for Wheme - being started.

I also have this weird feelikng Penguin wasn't prodded because he was in his scum chat talking.

You should probably read the rules.

Someone posting the bare minimum is always an issue for me.

Early suspicion directed towards Penguin Power.

[Unknown1234]

get an avatar lol please

I'll get an avatar if you do something productive.

Encouraging other players to actually be productive.

[Unknown1234]

Actually I got townvibes on that catch up

Penguin actually bothers me because they basically post only to stay in the game from what I've seen. Obviously I haven't been able to look over everything though because catching up sucks.

More accusations against Penguin.

[Unknown1234]

I need to look at Chaos too, so unless your case is compelling I'd rather lynch Sheep or Penguin today.

Would scum really say they'd vote both their scum teammates? Hmm.

[Unknown1234]

lol I must really scumread Garrybote then

Who is your second strongest scum-read as of right now?

This is most likely why Gerry died.

[Unknown1234]

Sheep has been gone for so long that I haven't even said something to them once. Given they've been under some heat all day I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if they were lurking scum.

I've been generally posting multiple times a day every day of the game, are you mixing me up with someone else?

People are ignoring how bad Hawk is until just now.
I'm actually having a hard time figuring out if there's more theory soft support for Lowell or Hawk.
I'mma do this to see if it's Lowell.

Vote: Lowell

Sheep the sheep everyone! There is mint julep tea at the end of this rainbow.
I will be back later if people manage to bum rush onto Hawk, the guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth all day.
I still oppose the Wheme lynch.

I double checked to see if I was wrong, but you made like 10 posts over 5 days, so if this is the kind of posting I should expect in a 14 day day then correct me if I'm wrong.

Here is where, once again, I'm disagreeing with Sheep on his reads and activity level. I also notice Sheep plops on Lowell.

[Unknown1234]

I'll be back.

[Terata]

Im back. I got super busy IRL and again im multitabling like a moron in a faster game. But im not gonna say more on that, cuz it's pointless.

So, some thoughts.

I'm never gonna vote Lowell this game, ever. The reason i caught sheep was because i thought Lowell felt town and i went looking for scum on that Wagon and sheep was the least towny one. I just don't ever see things playing out like they did if Lowell's scum.

I still think the things i wrote about Sheep's comments on the unknown slot was pretty w/v-looking / spewy. And i think Unknowns way of handling this day has felt the towniest. Others have only been making cases made to convince others to lynch specific people while unknown has actually tried to have a conversation with people and evaluating them. Their way of swapping slowly from thinking i was town to re-isoing and finding things they disliked to still suspecting others felt VERY real to me. Also maybe im stupid but im buying the stuff about them not knowing about scum's day-chat and from feeling unknown out from reading their posts, i don't think they're a player to try to clear themselves from something that stupid. So im locking in them as town too.

So for me the path from here is pretty easy. just lynch fitz/IAI, and be done with it. But i know im a suspect so it isn't that easy.

Ok, so the biggest reason (from what i've precieved) to why IAI says im scum is that "Alisae wouldn't have made the fakeclaim if the partner is in the back-then-suspects". This is terrible logic. Scum KNOWS people evaluate their play after they die, so saying that Alisae and her partner didn't even think about how his claim would look after the flip is just beyond bad. Since scum would know for sure this logic would be taken up, if not by themselves (if you're scum) it will be taken up by the town (if someone else is the last scum). Right now im leaning SLIGHTLY more towards fitz, simply because you have focused so little on preparing the second mislynch after me if you're scum, and you're gonna look pretty bad when i flip town. This is wifom too of course and you could totally be scum doing this, but the way you swapped your second suspect in the span of 1 page felt like a move that scum perhaps wouldn't make if they're focused on getting me lynched.

But regardless, if im scum, and Frogg is harddefending me for the rest of the game, WHY would you fakeclaim a red on FROGG OF ALL PEOPLE that will lead you straight to the win. That no1 has taken this up yet is weirding me out.

So yeah, Lowell town, unknown town, 1 of fitz and IAI scum, leaning fitz.

[Terata]

i think interacting a bit with Unknown is how i wanna spend my time right now, since Lowell already thinks im town, and if i get you to realise im town (and im right on both of you), we've won the game