Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

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UNVOTE:

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Did RC claim cop or a role with "cop" in it?

I saw his claim and nowhere did it say he claimed Cop. Unless he claimed Cop later and I haven't seen it yet

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VOTE: Gerryoat

I claim an investigative with 'cop' in the name. We are lynching Gerryoat today and anyone who defends him is getting lynched tomorrow.

This isn't a cop claim.

Unless he claimed Cop itself later.

Votes based off the fact he claimed Cop are terrible unless he actually claimed Cop later and i haven't seen it yet

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Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.


pedit: cool vote him then

First off I

explicitly

claimed modified cop. IE, not cop. I know you're remembering the game where I said cop and role cop were counterclaims but I was scum that game.
Second of all shoo.

Alright yeah.

Jar Jar is probably scum

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Going to continue reading to be sure.

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Do you really think it makes more sense for scum to (fake) claim earlier then town?

Yes much. He had already been partially countered by the flip. The longer he rides the cop claim, the worse it looks for him when he eventually comes clean.

...And this doesn't apply as reasoning for town to do the same thing why?

As town, you just keep the shitty cop claim. You never mention the BP thing no matter what.

Yeah I get that it's a shitty situation either way. But ur only in that situation because of the fake cop claim on day 1 which is something else that town just doesn't do.

This is such a bullshit post.

I've seen town RC fake claim stuff before. It shows zero attempt at understanding RC if he makes this blanket statement.

I didn't see where RC said the claim was fake. But if RV saod that can someone point it out.

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No it's nothing to do with that. It's not the fact that he's tunneling it's the fact that he's reducing my play to simple bullet points to scumread me for.

As I said, expect much better and detailed case now that an RC-Lynch is looking possible for today.

Did this ever happen?

I don't see it in Jar Jar's ISO

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OK people. If you have any respect for RCs play you can't townread him.

HE CLAIMED BP WITH ONE VOTE ON HIM.

Read that sentence a few times. He's not a noob people. He knows damn well that you just don't do that.


And that's not even taking into account the fact that he's admitted to fakeclaiming cop, hardpushed town on day 1, etc...

This is terrible

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Did transcend claim?

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i claim vt, if this tabe doesn't like my vague reads then peace

Ok VT

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I'm VT if my slot hasn't claimed yet

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What did Rauth claim?

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Did RC claim cop or a role with "cop" in it?

I saw his claim and nowhere did it say he claimed Cop. Unless he claimed Cop later and I haven't seen it yet

He claimed a cop x role on D1. Not "TOWN COP".

I saw. How about reading my other posts.

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VT

Please give me until Monday. Even if I don't get people to move their votes off me, I'd like to reread stuff and give an updated reads list.

Jar Jar claimed VT too?

Why did the transcend wagon derail?

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Any other claims I should be aware of?

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Any other claims I should be aware of?

Rauth backup cop.

Matt already said that to me

Seriously. Do you read?

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Alright

VOTE: Jar Jar

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This also doesn't seem like town!Jar Jar just from meta.

But everything he did around RC is scummy as shit

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Someone vig keyser just for getting on my nerves

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Vifam

- Scum. Have already posted about how he tried to imply that one of RC/Gerry was scum and then backtracked. The derphammer is self-explanatorily bad.

RadiantCowbells

- Obvious Scum. Reasons already posted.

Jar jar is far too good of a player to push scum for reasons such as the cop claim and a derphammer and he knows that

NEWSFLASH -- both town and scum derphammer. And i'm town.

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Sorry phoneposting. Keep seeing the same questions.

<3

I'm just messin wit chu

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If we don't lynch Jar Jar today I'm gonna be so pissed

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RC

I promise you. Jar Jar is far better than this as a town player.

This is his scumgame

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lol don't tell me how to play

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RC sandbags his town games so it's harder to catch him as scum.

OH COME ON

JAR JAR EVEN KNOWS HOW RC PLAYS HOW CAN HE PUSH RC ON A COP CLAIM

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Read Lil Uzi Vert next Frogger, I'd be interested to hear what you think.

D2 will come down to TWO lynches. LUVs or JarJars. Wanna hear your thoughts before someone accidentally quick hammers

I thought maybe his vote on Jar Jar was a bus.

But looking at their earlier interactions I'm not sold on them as scum together.

I far prefer a Jar Jar lynch

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Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.

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VOTE: Matt

I'm not sure a scum Uzi had any reason to town read my slot. Scum Uzi could have kept pushing my slot.

This just looks like natural evolving reads

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If Rauth is telling the truth then it narrows the game down a lot, and that means:
RC Town
Rauth Town
Grendel Town
Nancy Town
Akarin Town

Meaning the 3 scum are in:
LUV
Vifam
Keyser
JarJar
Sheep

There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep], and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.

I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.

Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?

VOTE: LUV

Is there a reason Grendel, Nancy, and Akarin are town?

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Lester can you talk to me about your reads other than Uzi, RC, and Rauth?

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I have a theory that Matt, Jar, and Sheep are scum

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Matt on D1 voted Jar for a single reason that wasn't even that great. And then never pushed him again.

That's a pristine example of a D1 bus, because it doesn't mean anything then as the sole person voting him.

Notice how he's not pushing Jar now.

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No one has convinced me on scum-Sheep yet, so I'd be intrigued to hear your scum-case on him.

It's mostly VCA stuff

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Matt and Jar Jar are the two i'm more confident in.

Jar Jar the most

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RC I fully intended to push you until I had all the information on scumspects I needed. It got cut short just when things were starting to get juicy, but at least we got something out of it.

Fro99er Vifam claimed to be unlynchable. Do you have anything to say about this?

UNVOTE:

Don't like scum having hammer right now.

I'm VT

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Also Fro99er why did you claim?

Because we should be lynching in the VTs

Myself you or Jar Jar.

And I'm actual town and your supposedly town according to most

I will HAPPILY 1v1 Jar

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Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

IF

LMAO

Jar is scum

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Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

And you still haven't played with scum frog

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Im not a PR I just know there is an angel watching over me that wont let me be mislynched today

@whoever it is that said Vicam claimed unlynchable -- I was looking to see where vifam claimed unlynchable and found this.

Jives with my VT claim

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VOTE: Jar Jar
VOTE: Jar Jar
VOTE: Jar Jar
VOTE: Jar Jar
VOTE: Jar Jar

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Perfect pagetop

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I really think this is town keyser just from meta

But it's been a long time

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I'm open to whoever else is scum with jar jar and matt

I am extremely confident in Jar jar. I honestly have never been more confident in a scum read. And by association, Matt

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Jar Jar is one of the better town players I have ever played with.

I can give links.

This is not town Jar Jar. He doesn't scum read people for bullshit, non-alignment indicative reasons.

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This is just desperate. First of all, Transcend has added more to this game than Akarin, matt, and Rauthedir, two of which you "suspect" as being scum, so your reasoning is bs. Second, you fucking started that shithole of a wagon and pushed gerryoat down a hill with a cliff at the bottom. Remember 326? Nah, I forgot all about it, too, and everything else that happened D1, so I'll blindly believe your self-serving version of what happened

Sheep defending Transcend, while sheep is voting Transcend, from RC who is conftown

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RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

It town RC + town Matt makes no sense, why didn't Jar Jar go vote Matt after RC got confirmed town?

GEE I WONDER WHY

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Cause like look @ this first post of the day from Matt:

VOTE: Vifam

RC, why didn't you reveal it was just a reaction test, and you weren't actually the cop yesterday?

It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.

RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

This is a really good point, that I agree with - I'll move Matt into an acceptable lynch slot now.
Don't feel the Rauth hate.
Still think Transcend is very scummy.

And if sheep agrees it's a really good point, why isn't sheep voting Matt???

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Looks like we'll be waiting until Monday for Jar Jar's response

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Sheep isn't voting matt because he's tunneled on me atm.

That's funny.

Because he chided RC for a push on your slot. While he was voting your slot

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I like this Nancy person

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Take JJD off of L-1 for now, let's use the whole day.

JJD, thoughts?

Jar gave his thoughts.

He said I'm scum.

I'll happily 1v1 him.

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JESUS CHRIST I'M GOING TO DIG UP MY GAMES WITH JAR

THE DUDE IS FUCKING OBVSCUM

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Town Jar

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63443
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64645

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star wars mafia too, I need to dig that one up

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no, not star wars

space invaders

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=64802

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Frogger can you give me an explicit read on LUV?

I think LUV is town, partially because of his associatives with Jar, and partially because he could have continued to scumread my slot when it was convenient for him to do so as scum, but instead he actually showed a progression of his read on my slot.

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Spoiler: LUV post

I don't really do cases, just reasons:

That's cool, I consider them the same thing

I don't like how he opened today, feels like he should be voting for RC or Keyser.

How come this? (I can understand your other points)

As to why I didn't sheep you on to Transcend is because I don't really have a read on your slot and from what I remember of D1, Transcend didn't come off as scummy.

Do you feel Transcend is town or null?

Wouldn't that just make him a bad/illogical player as opposed to scum?

Exclusive of alignment, it was an illogical progression of opinion-meditation-action. I.e his actions did not complement his perspective.

Correct me if I'm wrong - you created a town read off Vifam due to the play being so terrible as to be unwise for scum to do (which it was).
I would think that getting a scum read off of it is an equally valid opinion (play so terrible it is unwise for town to do - which it was).
At that point, if his logic here is empty, isn't yours equally empty?

Also, could you expand on why you logic Transcend as town? I understood your reasoning on RC and Vifam, but you offered none on Transcend.

Oh and as far as JarJar goes his push on RC is towniest thing I've seen so far on day 2. The tone was genuine, and all his points so far toward RC are valid concerns yet everyone is ignoring him.

I don't think it's fair to say that people are ignoring him. Two of his points are;

1. RC fake claims cop as scum.
2. RC's "fake" claim is countered by the Gerry flip.

I know I and at least one other person addressed #2 noting that it wasn't a direct counter claim in any way.
I know at least one person addressed #1 noting it is within RC's town meta to fakeclaim cop just as much as within his scum meta - making the play maybe bad, but not a good alignment tell.

What other points of JarJar's do you find good that people are ignoring?
What about the above equates to ignoring?
I'll agree that people aren't agreeing with him - is that what you meant to say? If so, what about his concerns do you find valid in the face of the counter arguments offered against it?

I felt he should be voting for one of those two based on his 683, 703, 767, 793, and 797. It sounds like he doesn't believe that RC is a PR at all or understands what motivation RC had to do what he was doing Day 1. It also sounds like he believes Keyser is fence sitting.

Transcend is null for me.

This is also a town post by LUV.

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@Matt: Earlier you mentioned that you've recently found RC unreadable and now you're saying you have no idea why people are town reading RC. Why does it seem like you're fence sitting?

Why Rauth?

He called you town/town PR as a fact. Zero paranoia or doubt.

I don't see the correlation.

OK people. If you have any respect for RCs play you can't townread him.

HE CLAIMED BP WITH ONE VOTE ON HIM.

Read that sentence a few times. He's not a noob people. He knows damn well that you just don't do that.


And that's not even taking into account the fact that he's admitted to fakeclaiming cop, hardpushed town on day 1, etc...

I've seen RC fake claim before as town and personally I have been quite impressed with how he does it. My issue with RC has been their sort of bullying of others for better play and whining. It almost feels like they think if they do it enough, people will just bend over backwards.

And even though LUV scumreas RC, it wasn't a shallow, "oh he fakeclaimed" read.

He took the time to dissect whether the fakeclaim could come from a town!RC as well, and decided RC was scum for other reasons, when the fake claim was the easy path to a scumread.

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RC, Inreally need you to work with me on this.

You know JarJar's reads are shallow. You can look at the games I linked. He is a better town player than "RC fake claimed" and "Vifam derphammered"

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Let's make a deal. If I lynch JJD and he flips town I'm autolynching you and LUV.

Deal.

100% deal

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Lol, no idea how that wink got there. Phone fat fonger

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Cuz your hard push on replace in is fake as fuck and I feel like you're scum trying to hard push the lynch away from your partners.

You'll see it's not fake when i flip town.

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Let's make a deal. If I lynch JJD and he flips town I'm autolynching you and LUV.

Deal.

100% deal

Lynch me before LUV

If somehow Jar is town then we're at 9.

When i flip town we're at 7 and lylo and you'll at least see I believed my LUV read

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And when I nail Jar you have to lynch Matt with me next.

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I don't care if you think that.

Why won't you believe me that town!Jar is better than this

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Get your vote off LUV and lynch me if you have to.

Me vs Jar 1v1

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And when I call Jar+Matt you nom me for replace in of the year

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I can believe that JJD is scum. What I have trouble believing is that either you or LUV are town.

Then lynch me

Jar+Matt +someone when I die

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I'm a worthless VT. I don't mind being lynched for you to fucking believe me.

I've never ever been this sure.

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And you get to apologize to me post game how this push really isn't fake af

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RC I'm really trying to work with you.

Seriously

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Scum!frog is never this sure. I'm insanely sure. Lynch me if you must but you better fucking promise that's jar gets insta-lynched if you lynch me today

All votes should be off LUV and on either myself or Jar.

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Scum!frog is never this sure. I'm insanely sure. Lynch me if you must but you better fucking promise that's jar gets insta-lynched if you lynch me today

All votes should be off LUV and on either myself or Jar.

I'm playing to my scum meta and calling myself out on it

Lynch me or lynch Jar

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That should say town!frog is never this sure.

Town frog is all over the place

I am this sure.

Ergo i'm scum or I really am this sure

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Let's make a deal. If I lynch JJD and he flips town I'm autolynching you and LUV.

DEAL. NOW MAKE IT HAPPEN

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Vifam

- Scum. Have already posted about how he tried to imply that one of RC/Gerry was scum and then backtracked. The derphammer is self-explanatorily bad.

RadiantCowbells

- Obvious Scum. Reasons already posted.

Jar jar is far too good of a player to push scum for reasons such as the cop claim and a derphammer and he knows that

NEWSFLASH -- both town and scum derphammer. And i'm town.

THESE ARE NOT READS FROM A PLAYER THAT IS AS COMPTENT AS TOWN AS JAR JAR IS

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MY SLOT DERPHAMMERED

LYNCH ME OR LYNCH JAR JAR

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Oh hey Jar Jar

I see you online right now

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Vote me

It's between me and you, pal

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yo frog, Why u trying to end the day so fast? I already said to just give me till tomorrow.

You're here right now

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yo frog, Why u trying to end the day so fast?

Because I'm obvscum to you

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Ok

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Why haven't you voted me yet?

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Your vote is stale on Nancy

That's not happening.

It's between me and you today

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Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

IF

LMAO

Jar is scum

Are you implying that I'm scum cause I said "IF" because a townie would say "WHEN"???

Yeah that's a nice tell you got there frog

Answer my question please. Who's scum If I'm town?

You should say "when I flip town" not "if"

If you flip town I have no idea because I haven't considered an alternative gamestate.

Probably Uzi. Maybe One of the townreads Matt has like Grandal/A-whatever the name is

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Akarin

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Those are total guesses though

My onlt game state is you are not this bad as town

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Vote me Jar Jar

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WHY WOULD ANY TOWNIE SAY "IF" I FLIP SCUM

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Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

It's amazing how he calls me scum and hasn't voted me yet

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THEN VOTE ME DUDE

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WHY ARE YOU NOT VOTING ME

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I am extremely confident in Jar jar. I honestly have never been more confident in a scum read. And by association, Matt

Yeah, this is almost a good enough reason alone to scumread you. You can't possibly be that confident your read cause I am in fact town.

You're overselling it to be able to play the "too scummy to be scum" card later.

NOBODY BUY THAT SHIT. AFter I flip, anyone that doesn't flashlynch frog is scumclaiming.

I'll auto-vote myself if you flip town.

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Jar Jar has confirmed me as scum but won't vote me

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Jar Jar is one of the better town players I have ever played with.

I can give links.

This is not town Jar Jar. He doesn't scum read people for bullshit, non-alignment indicative reasons.

Appreciate the compliments. Everything you're saying except "This is not town Jar Jar" is true. I don't scumread for bullshit NAI reasons and I didn't do that this game. My reasons were good even if one of them happens to be wrong.

What good reasons did you have to scumread my slot and RC then.

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If you had good reasons to scumread my slot, and I'm offering a 1v1, why aren't you voting me?

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Answer my question jar Jar

Why aren't you voting me?

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I like this Nancy person

Nancy is my scumbuddy. Got me.

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Answer my question jar Jar

Why aren't you voting me?

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Notice how Jar Jar isn't pushing a scum read (other than me, but not voting me)

He's just buying time.

He's here now. He could give his thoughts now

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Town Jar

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63443
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64645

You can't just post game links w/ no explanation. WHat's different about my play in those games?

In fact, the one game is the game I referenced several times now and is a huge reason for my RC scumread cause he did the exact same claim nonsense there.

You gave deeper reads than RC aid scum for fake claiming and my slot is scum for derphammering in all those games

I've already said that. As town you are legitimately one of the better players on the site.

But here your reads are incredibly shallow

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You can't just post game links w/ no explanation. WHat's different about my play in those games?

I did explain it.

This guy doesn't get it. He actually gives solid fucking reasons in those games.

Not here

Notice how he still is avoiding my question about why he isn't voting for me

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Answer my question jar Jar

Why aren't you voting me?

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==> Vote Count 1.5 (FINAL) <==

With 13 votes in play, it's 7 to lynch!

Given his name, it should come as no surprise that this was the most favored method of execution by Vlad the Impaler. In 15th century Romania; the victim was forced to sit on a sharp and thick pole. When the pole was then raised upright, the victim was left to slide down the pole with their own weight. It could take the victim 3 days to die using this method and it has been said that Vlad once did this to 20,000 people all while enjoying a meal.

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-6]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir -

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend, JarJarDrinks, Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks - mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM

- Akarin, Keyser Söze, Rautherdir

Day 1 ends NOW

Hey look at the last two votes on the Gerry wagon.

It should be between myself and Jar Jar as to who bussed

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Not bussed but as to who is scum

I'm so tilted right now

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LOOK FROG SLIPPED BY SAYING BUSSED

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@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

Town town town

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VOTE: RC

Town

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Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.

Town!Jar doesn't play this bad

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Vifam's hammer doesn't make any sense from a townie's perspective. Vifam said he didn't think Gerry was scum, and that he didn't want to lynch Gerry because "I like him". Doesn't make sense to hammer him before he even gets a chance to claim then.

This is all true. RC is still the lynch today.

Look at the shade from matt and the agreement from Jar

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Scum theater imo.

You are really bad at this game if you believe that

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I get a really dark feeling that LuV is scum and that Frogger and Nancy are the buddies trying to hard push a lynch on JJD and cry for a reassess when he flips town.

You are really bad at this game if you believe that

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RC we made a deal.

[Fro99er]

Why is it so hard to lynch obvscum

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Uhh. This is going to sound weird to hear but the phrase 'cut of your jib' is a scumtell of an insane magnitude for some reason.

And yeah the way JarJar was bashing and discrediting Transcend doesn't sit well with me.

VOTE: JarJarBinks

Your time is up, dark one.

Go back to this RC

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JarJar, MBG, Sheep

Book it

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I get a really dark feeling that LuV is scum and that Frogger and Nancy are the buddies trying to hard push a lynch on JJD and cry for a reassess when he flips town.

Oh no, you have discovered my master plan. Guess I'd better cringe in fear and hardbus LUV in a desperate attempt to assuage the paranoia.

Shut up Nancy we're obv buddies

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Because RC is a town god who knows all

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I linked three games with JarJar

He and I were town in all three of them and I correctly read him as town in all three. He has a very obvious town game. This isn't it.

[Fro99er]

That's L-1

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I will auto self vote tomorrow if JJD flips town

[Fro99er]

I'd prefer you vote JJD

[Fro99er]

Look how afraid JJD was to go 1v1 with me.

It's because he's scum and knows I'm town

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Hoping to sort you this weekend LUV If anyone has concrete reads on the following 3 players please share:

LUV
Mattblack
JarJar


My JarJar read is a weird one - I feel like he's town as per his town meta but I still don't trust him.

I think I need a flip within these three.

For now... VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert


I think I'm caught up in confirmation bias.

Vote JJD for your flip in those three

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Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.

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VOTE: Matt

Uzi only makes this read as town, or if he and I are scumbuddies

RC should take this trade. JarJar for me/Uzi is a lock to hit scum from his POV

Unless it's some really wonky scumteam with 3 in MBG, Nancy, Akari, Grandal, keyser then RC guarantees a scum hit with this trade.

So he should happily vote JarJar

[Fro99er]

Day 2 ends in 4 days.

We have time to talk to our scum-reads. We lost out on a lot of information on D1. We aren't making the same mistake here.

JarJar is already L-1 so I am in no hurry to hammer.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't need to use up the whole day.

[Fro99er]

I'm not being ridiculous.

Assuming RC only does this as scum is ridiculous and shallow, and an easy way for you to push a mislynch

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

[Fro99er]

@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

Town town town

It's town/town/scum.

THEN VOTE ME IF YOU THINK ITS TOWN TOWN SCUM

[Fro99er]

THEN VOTE ME

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

No.

I put it into my own mini normal i modded.

[Fro99er]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

^^^this is such a BS point to excuse himself for his shallow read on RC

[Fro99er]

Why are you possessed w/ me voting for you frog.

I'm voting for the scum right now that actually has someone else voting for them. If I move to you, that makes it so both my scumreads have 1 vote instead of 1 of my scumreads having 2.

Please explain why you'd rather frog vs JJD be competing wagons instead of nancy vs JJD.

Because I'm a goon and Nancy is my PR mafia buddy

[Fro99er]

The reason I want you to vote for me is because it's me v you today

[Fro99er]

Mistake =/= scummy

[Fro99er]

My slot made a mistake with the derphammer. I'm town.

TOWN MAKE MISTAKES

[Fro99er]

Alright.

Jar Jar has had his say.

Time for someone to hammer

[Fro99er]

Cool story bro

[Fro99er]

Like Nancys "Frog/JJD scum theater" is such a transparent attempt to buy frog some towncred after I flip.

You are really good at this game

[Fro99er]

Akarin will he alive tomorrow to talk

[Fro99er]

*be

[Fro99er]

Because I'm tired of games dragging out when I've found obvscum

[Fro99er]

In the meantime Jar Jar can give us an updated read list wth reasons why.

This is keyser's request

PEdit: holy walls

[Fro99er]

Uzi is 100% town

I get lynched before he does

[Fro99er]

If Rauth is telling the truth then it narrows the game down a lot, and that means:
RC Town
Rauth Town
Grendel Town
Nancy Town
Akarin Town

Meaning the 3 scum are in:
LUV
Vifam
Keyser
JarJar
Sheep

There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep], and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.

I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.

Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?

VOTE: LUV

Matt is also confscum

Just saying

[Fro99er]

Yeah matt's probably the last scum. It looks like frog is trying to do exactly what nancy did.

And what's that?

[Fro99er]

If Rauth is telling the truth then it narrows the game down a lot, and that means:
RC Town
Rauth Town
Grendel Town
Nancy Town
Akarin Town

Meaning the 3 scum are in:
LUV
Vifam
Keyser
JarJar
Sheep

There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep], and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.

I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.

Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?

VOTE: LUV

Matt is also confscum

Just saying

If Matt is scum I would think his partners are Sheep and either Akarin or Nancy.

Why's that?

[Fro99er]

Specifically the Akarin or Nancy part?

I'll listen

UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

The interactions they have had over the game.

What specifically?

I totally buy sheep.

Point out the Nancy/Akarin part

[Fro99er]

Well if you are town, you're wrong

[Fro99er]

You say Matt is scum because of associations w/ me. Then when I flip green, you can abandon that read.

Matt is scum because matt is scum

He's clearly trying to push me and uzi as one lynchbpool when both of us are town.

That's what scum does

That's independent of my read on you

[Fro99er]

He also is keeping keyser in the second lynch pool just so he has more mislynch options later

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Matt

[Fro99er]

If Rauth is telling the truth then it narrows the game down a lot, and that means:
RC Town
Rauth Town
Grendel Town
Nancy Town
Akarin Town

Meaning the 3 scum are in:
LUV
Vifam
Keyser
JarJar
Sheep

There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep], and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.

I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.

Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?

VOTE: LUV

Once again, this is literally a scumclaim. I guarantee you both uzi and I are town. Him keeping keyser in there is gross.

Matt today, sheep tomorrow

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Matt

... I thought we were lynching JJD today.

I'm far more positive of Matt now.

Especially since you believe I could be wrong on Jar Jar if matt is scum.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Matt

... I thought we were lynching JJD today.

He's nervous that I called out his bus.

No, I'm not and you will apologize to me post game for this

[Fro99er]

Where did I bus Nancy?

[Fro99er]

Where did I bus Nancy?

(Hint: I didn't because I'm town and because I was scumreading JJD, Matt, and Sheep)

[Fro99er]

Jar Jar can't swallow his pride.

I can and say I'm possibly wrong on him.

I am NOT wrong on matt

[Fro99er]

Jar. If you really are town then you need to be better than this.

Help me lynch matt.

[Fro99er]

It's so incredibly transparent that's matt is scum.

Jar how can you read that post and think it's even possible it comes from town?

[Fro99er]

Transcend is at L-1. Be careful.

Not lynching Transcend when 2 of my top scumreads are on his wagon. Not to mention the whole case on him is mainly just a policy lynch that we learn nothing from if he flips town.

If Nancy really is Matt's partner then these two posts are the most telling

[Fro99er]

RC and Vifam. I honestly have no idea why people are town reading RC.

Town and town

His sole reason for not inching Transcend was because RC and My slot were on the wagon

Lynch me first if you don't believe I'm town.

Then go Matt--sheep--Nancy/Akarin/JJD

[Fro99er]

See how Nancy calls frog scum a bunch of times. But then is all "Well I guess if JJD flips town, I'll have to reassess". Completely transparent.

Then vote me.

I'm town and the only way your thick head is going to believe my reads is when I flip town

[Fro99er]

JarJar gets the award for most stubborn player of the year.

Even I can see where I may have gone wrong.

[Fro99er]

Rauth can we lynch matt instead of JJD

Please

[Fro99er]

You do realize I could just investigate you, right?

And when you get night killed it doesn't help

[Fro99er]

This is stupid. Because JarJar is being terrible

I guarantee you Ivhave names more scum correctly in Matt+Sheep than Jar has in frog+Nancy

[Fro99er]

How many more miss-lynches can we afford (presuming scum get a successful NK each night)?

Assuming a 10-3 setup then since we're at 11 now we can mislynch today to get to 9 and tomorrow to get to 7

[Fro99er]

Which is why i'm perfectly happy to be the sacrificial VT

That way people like Jar and RC will actually listen to me

[Fro99er]

Now that I think about it we could have a SK and mafia targeted RC last night.

We cross that bridge if we see two night kills in a night

[Fro99er]

Gotcha, thanks

[Fro99er]

Other than that - I still like Jar for town, and Nancy for scum - the ten pages was mostly just rage repeating so went quicker than anticipated thanks to the powers of skim.

How about Matt?

[Fro99er]

Other than that - I still like Jar for town, and Nancy for scum - the ten pages was mostly just rage repeating so went quicker than anticipated thanks to the powers of skim.

Who else do you scum read besides nancy and scum lean on Matt?

[Fro99er]

Matt -- who is scum when I flip town?

[Fro99er]

I already said who I think the scum are. Look through my iso if you're actually curious. How about instead you answer why you were blatantly misrepresenting what I said in your 1700? You gladly take half of my post and just read that, and ignore the second half that doesn't line up with your logic.

No, you didn't say who you think scum is after I flip town.

[Fro99er]

Fr099er, remind me why you believe JJD and matt can't be scum together? Your 180 here is garbage.

I never said that.

I said it's Matt, Sheep, and one of you/Jar/Akwhatever

[Fro99er]

I already said who I think the scum are. Look through my iso if you're actually curious. How about instead you answer why you were blatantly misrepresenting what I said in your 1700? You gladly take half of my post and just read that, and ignore the second half that doesn't line up with your logic.

Excuse me. My bad

your other reason is it's policy.

Still, your reasons are policy and because me and RC are on the wagon. Both RC and I are town, so that reason is a bunch of bullshit

[Fro99er]

I did answer your question

[Fro99er]

Yeah I'm not buying the reaction test, Jar.

That's what caught my attention and made me rethink you, and when rauth pointed out nancy could be aligned with matt it made more sense.

[Fro99er]

I'm town but whatever. If JJD flips town, then once I flip town after I get lynched tomorrow lynch Matt, Sheep, Nancy

uzi is forever town.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[Fro99er]

If you're town I'm sorry JJD then I'll apologize to you in the dead thread after I'm dead tomorrow

If you're scum then I won't see you in the dead thread

[Fro99er]

*awaits wrath of RC*

[Fro99er]

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE I'M TOWN. YOU GUYS ARE SO BAD AT THIS.

RC SERIOUSLY

VOTE: MBG

[Fro99er]

Maybe. But there's absolutely no way I can reconcile Fro99er's play yesterday with him being town.

There's no way I can reconcile you with talented as town at all.

I nailed the scumteam. MBG, Sheep, JarJar. I fucking nailed it.

[Fro99er]

He'll probably be angry and call us terrible though, I'm a little scared!!!!

[Fro99er]

that ladies and gentlemen is what you call an obvious bus.

This is what you call obviously shitty at mafia

[Fro99er]

I don't give two shits what you think RC. I nailed scum and you're bad at being town.

[Fro99er]

MBG is the textbook definition of a bus on JarJar, not me. I already pointed out why

[Fro99er]

IF you lynch me today you have to fucking listen to me that it's MBG and Sheep

[Fro99er]

And I will reem you in the dead thread.

[Fro99er]

{Fro99er, Keyser, RC}
{Akarin, LUV}
{}
{Sheep}
{Grendel, MBG}

VOTE: MBG

Get wrecked son. Death by townbloc. GGz.

LOL I WENT FROM MOST TOWN TO MOST SCUM ON YOUR LIST IN TWO POSTS

YOU ARE SO BAD AT THIS GAME

[Fro99er]

Hey Nancy

stop being a nancy and lynch actual scum with me. It makes zero sense to lynch me before MBG. None.

It is objectively bad play to lynch me now.

[Fro99er]

Scumteam is unlikely to be {JJD, mbg, Sheep} imo. mbg doesn't put both scummates as SRs.

MBG wasn't scumreading both though. He said only one of JJD, Keyser, and Sheep was scum

He said both me and Uzi are scum.

[Fro99er]

There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep]

, and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.

I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.

Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?

VOTE: LUV

[Fro99er]

ok, well when I flip town who do you think it is?

[Fro99er]

That's because scum didn't want you to get a result on me.

[Fro99er]

Because they know I'm the easiest mislynch

[Fro99er]

I don't even care about this game anymore.

Y'all go ahead and vote me.

JarJar/MBG/{Sheep or Akarin/Grandal} but I'll stick with sheep

[Fro99er]

Uzi is still town.