Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so the main reason I decided to hop in here was to play a Greater Idea game in forum style, since I have experience with this setup in chat mafia.
One thing I'd like to mention is

scummy discards

. There are two forms: initial and claimed. Initial scummy discards are when someone discards a very powerful role. It suggests they found a better (usually scum) role. Claimed ones are where the claimed role is less fun to play then the discard, suggesting the claim is fake.
Also, I'm not sure if this is the case, but

usually

roles are not repeated. So the Parrot that is discarded in the OP cannot be held by another player.

[Gamma Emerald]

Avatar	User	Predecessor(s)	Discard	Flip	Time of Death
	alban	n/a	Mafia Cupid	n/a	n/a
	bangthemafia	n/a	Alien Vanillaiser	n/a	n/a
	Charloux	n/a	Werewolf	n/a	n/a
	culted	n/a	Conspiracy Theorist	n/a	n/a
	davesaz	n/a	Reloader	n/a	n/a
	-Grey-	n/a	Werewolf Mason	n/a	n/a
	Kop	n/a	Treestump	n/a	n/a
	Not_Mafia	n/a	Evangelistic Townie	n/a	n/a
	RadiantCowbells	KainTepes	Parrot	n/a	n/a
	Secret Agent Jin	n/a	Survivor Mason	n/a	n/a
	Spade_Ace	n/a	Alien Prober	n/a	n/a
	Vaxkiller	DiamondSentinel	Lover	n/a	n/a

Alien Vanillaiser, Reloader, and Parrot strike me as notable discards rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Keep the change you filthy animal.

I almost think that NM is jester who thinks that if he pushes on me long enough I'll get pissy and lynch him.

Ew Jester-FOSing already
that plus the parrot discard makes me very suspicious of RC

[Gamma Emerald]

@Bang: Seems legit
@Gamma: Do you think discarding powerful scum roles is indicative of them being town?

Not really
Thing is scum usually win more so being scum is more appealing
tbh the best way to test this would have been an RVS with "town or scum which do you prefer" as a question, but I came in late so RQS would be rather tasteless.
Do like that NM (or was it SAJ) noted RC's discard.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: kop Who turns down the chance to turn into a talking tree stump?

Gotta be honest, I'd have jumped at the opportunity to be a tree stump.

Would have been troll central up in hyur.

oh glod

[Gamma Emerald]

I know what Spade Ace is but I'm not telling unless like 2/3 of everyone else wants me to

[Gamma Emerald]

nevermind he claimed ALREADY

[Gamma Emerald]

Ohh for heaven's sake. Don't be so stupid. I said the role I 'kept'. Go read my msgs you dumbfucks. Where the hell did I say my current role is wildcard.

You still think it's one word!

Shut the fuck up Xyrad wannabe

[Gamma Emerald]

Scummy after page 2
RC
Grey
Vax
and by the way I'm probably just going to not teamhunt at all this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

@bang:
reloader is a useful role for town imo, on my site where I played GerI before it was very pro-town
Vanillaiser is a pretty powerful role imo, can WIFOM a PR (because they can be called as roleswapping)
CS also investigates as alien, so it's not very good. iirc there's a alien investigator that doesn't have the miller property
stump is mostly vanilla, so I can see it being discarded

[Gamma Emerald]

Discards are revealed before a wild card is in effect.

@

mod

:

Would the game start prior to ALL role PM's being finalized?

Role PMs have been sent out!

Game begins when all 12 confirm.

You have 48 hours to pick up your role PM and decide which role you want to keep.

(expired on 2017-01-21 22:00:00)

Status: 12/12

Your answer is in

bold

and

underlined

.

@mod

: Does the player with a wild card choose their role from the discards

like the wiki states,

or do you randomly assign a role from the discards?

That is not what the Wiki states. It states that a role will be randomly assigned from the list of roles.

I think Grey is thinking of another role which can PICK from discards tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

k that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This slot can die regardless of its alignment.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells
for now

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh.

I think NM is lyncher on me.

AGAIN WITH 3PS

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh.

I think NM is lyncher on me.

If he's a lyncher, we can just ignore him.

We need to find scum, not impotent third party.

Counteroffer:

He's blatantly acting like 3p lyncher on me in order to mask the fact that he's actually scum and lead us to that point of view.

If he's 3rd party he's a non-town and a valuable lynch anyway. let's get rid of him.

The truth: you're using "lyncher" as an excuse to NOT lynch you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not unvoting Not_Mafia as long as they are alive.

orlly

[Gamma Emerald]

I am town though so

Well shit man, why didn't you say so in the first place?!

I was busy talking about other people's alignments. Don't worry I got you covered now fam.

We ride together.
We die together.
Bad boys for life.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Cool thanks for the partner claim

You should have figured that out when I claimed Masons with him.

I'm the Martin Lawrence to his Will Smith.

Fun fact: last time Grey claimed masons with someone he was scum with them (Titus in Smackdown, and I know Titus claimed it but he didn't refute it).

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you really expect me to fall for this?

NOT something that town says to someone they are supposedly scumreading.

What does town me say in that scenario?

Not fond of this tbh: I'm not going to go off the rails and say "OMG SCUM WANTS ADVICE ON HOW TO PLAY BETTER" but I don't like this question.

[Gamma Emerald]

I said if u r town u hav exposed 3 PRs- not necessarily town.

Who the fuck cares if I exposed scum PR's, you squirming scumfuck?

Outting lovers is bad because it opens a route to MASSIVE body counts early in the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Omg RC might be right about NM being a lyncher.

Hello

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

mmmm Alban feels like he's backpedaling on page 7

[Gamma Emerald]

As far as suspicion due to mechanics, I do wonder why RC would turn down being a Parrot.

Looks like my opening monologue was needless

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey!!!

Parrot role looked really interesting. Why would you discard that?

Am confident that if I reveal the role that I 'kept', the impact of that on the game would be zero.

I don't like this post. You are repeating something someone said, and then you are revealing your role even without anyone asking about it. Why?

Ohh didnt know having the same opinion as someone else was a crime.

@alban the WHOLE point of it was that i WASN'T revealing my actual role. I was only revealing the choice I 'kept'.

Why? Cos it was fun that was why. But people have sucked the fun part out of it so much so that i regret it now.

Hmm..
That post read as if you are sucking up to people. Sorry if this further decreases your interest in the game.

suuure

[Gamma Emerald]

I still didn't understand what your point is. I discarded alien prober, kept wildcard. Was given the new role when the game started.

You are saying your role is "Wild Card"

@grey and vaxkiller I dare you both to get me lynched today.

This can easily happen. Though I understand your exasoeration.

That wasn't an actual dare. I was trying to convey that I have a role that can be easily verified as town.

But it appears that i was mistaken on the actual power of my role and cant be verified.

My role is weird. I win when town wins. But my power is anti-town. Dont know what to do with that.

Role, or what you kept?

[Gamma Emerald]

Motherfucker, I'll votepark you out of spite of you don't shut the fuck up.

yeah this feels like tvt

[Gamma Emerald]

No, you're never gonna get it (not this time)
Never ever gonna get it (my lynch)
No, you're never gonna get it (never had a chance to make me swing)
Never ever gonna get it

Doesn't matter what you do or what you say
You can't lynch me, no way
Maybe next time you'll give the town a little respect
So you won't be hearing us say, No way

Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it (whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa)
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

tbh the best song for town hunting down scum with fervor is Headstrong by Trapt.

[Gamma Emerald]

Motherfucker, I'll votepark you out of spite of you don't shut the fuck up.

yeah this feels like tvt

That was a tongue in cheek post.

I know, and that's why I feel it's tvt. Both sides don't feel super scummy and both sides are taking fair consideration.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey!!!

Parrot role looked really interesting. Why would you discard that?

Am confident that if I reveal the role that I 'kept', the impact of that on the game would be zero.

I don't like this post. You are repeating something someone said, and then you are revealing your role even without anyone asking about it. Why?

Ohh didnt know having the same opinion as someone else was a crime.

@alban the WHOLE point of it was that i WASN'T revealing my actual role. I was only revealing the choice I 'kept'.

Why? Cos it was fun that was why. But people have sucked the fun part out of it so much so that i regret it now.

Everything you said was so convoluted. It seemed like you were trying to say you STILL HAD the wild card which made no sense.

UNVOTE: spade for now.

mmmm feels like hopping off after the train crashed

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is it more fun to be a trivial town?

You are right. Not trivial town but trivial 3rd party roles like jester and lyncher, that don't threaten town wincon might be fun and challenging to play than having a potent town role.

unless their win ends the game

[Gamma Emerald]

8 pages to read. I shall do that once I am finished with work this afternoon.

It's 11 friggin pages.... of mostly non-sense! Join the game!

VOTE: kop

,':|

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is it more fun to be a trivial town?

You are right. Not trivial town but trivial 3rd party roles like jester and lyncher, that don't threaten town wincon might be fun and challenging to play than having a potent town role.

unless their win ends the game

They don't though.

I was joking. I know lyncher/jester wins are not game ending here, however I still have residual salt from the times a lyncher win would end the game in the chat version I played.

[Gamma Emerald]

All caught up.
Questions/FOSes (questions because some of these feel like misunderstandings)
RC - Why are you determined to lynch Not Mafia?
alban - can you explain your thought process on page 7?
bang - what were you trying to accomplish with your Grey interaction?
Vax - explain your unvote in the post I quoted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town
-Grey-, Spade_Ace
Gap
Charloux, Kop, Secret Agent Jin, Not_Mafia, davesaz - Null/unsorted line here
Vaxkiller
Bangthemafia, Alban
RadiantCowbells
Scum
Charles and Dave might be sorted at some time soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

haha
Gap mean there's a sizeable gap in my reads from my townreads and my null reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Not super familiar (all ongoing) but regardless of meta, RC's actions are

extremely

scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Charles is a bit towny imo, mostly by reactions to RC

[Gamma Emerald]

Not super familiar (all ongoing) but regardless of meta, RC's actions are

extremely

scummy.

Do you think a cunning manipulator gets caught out on a superficial scumread on d1?

1) people have off games. I had a VERY off towngame in Smackdown. Who's to say RC isn't having an off scumgame?
2) The large amount of 3P spec, discard, and interactions all give me a scum feel. It's not just a superficial read.

[Gamma Emerald]

While the table is cool, I miss the ability to copy/paste, so here's the playerlist as of now. If I can remember to iso myself then this will help, otherwise perhaps not...

alban
bangthemafia
Charloux
culted
davesaz
-Grey-
Kop
Not_Mafia
RadiantCowbells replaced KainTepes
Secret Agent Jin
Spade_Ace
Vaxkiller replaced DiamondSentinel

Probably the slowest starting game I've seen in a while. What's up with that?

Game started 2 days ago at this point. I've seen significant activity from I think most people
Inactives are Kop, SAJ iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave is a bit towny too

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm mostly trying to give way to new perspectives. I'm not going to police your fakeclaims, who knows what a pain that would be.

[Gamma Emerald]

NM is towny
prob a tier higher than Charles/Dave

[Gamma Emerald]

bit curious about SAJ getting two prods without posting

[Gamma Emerald]

mmmm Alban feels like he's backpedaling on page 7

Sorry but can you explain what is backpedalling?

Trying to take back what you said. Remember how alban kept making new excuses for why he mentioned Spade's avatar in Open 657?

That

is backpedaling.

All caught up.
Questions/FOSes (questions because some of these feel like misunderstandings)
RC - Why are you determined to lynch Not Mafia?
alban - can you explain your thought process on page 7?
bang - what were you trying to accomplish with your Grey interaction?
Vax - explain your unvote in the post I quoted.

I didnt have any thought out motive that I wanted to accomplish. I am just not used to roleclaims in people's first posts on the 1st page. And this guy comes out with not only his own but 2 others' roleclaims. SO my intuitive reaction was WTF!

tbh It feels scummy, since you aren't really being proactive, just commenting on things.

Not super familiar (all ongoing) but regardless of meta, RC's actions are

extremely

scummy.

NM is towny
prob a tier higher than Charles/Dave

Dave is a bit towny too

Walk me through your cases please. Whats scummy about RC, and whats towny about NM, Dave, Charl? I remember my Scumpartner!Charl from 657 and his style was the same there. Mostly posting stuff just to stay in picture and not get called a lurker. Fair enough that you have a scum lean on me. But would also appreciate some reasons for scumreading me apart from my reaction to Grey's fake roleclaim. Initially I got surprised that someone is claiming on page 1. Also his aggressive style and tunneling on spade for wildcard. Good for him maybe, but usually such aggression leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Even then, after he turned down RC's seemingly logical suggestion to lynch NM (I would, maybe, have fallen for that), I started getting town vibes from him. NM, on the other hand, has not explained much. Town would initially start getting agitated for being suspected before they give up and get frustrated, in my opinion. Still, he was the only one who openly said that Grey's push on me was shitty and acknowledged my newness. You may call it buddying but I give him some town points for that! [/quote]RC has been cased further, NM, Dave, and Charles all have certain things they've done that give me town pings. I don't remember exactly rn but I could probably pull it up from an ISO.

So as of now, my llist is-
Strong town read- Grey, Gamma
Null to town read- Vaxkiller
Null- Alban, Kop, Charl, SAJ, Spade, NM (upgraded here from below)
Null to scum lean- Culted, RC

I replaced culted fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

mmmm Alban feels like he's backpedaling on page 7

Town
-Grey-, Spade_Ace
Gap
Charloux, Kop, Secret Agent Jin, Not_Mafia, davesaz - Null/unsorted line here
Vaxkiller
Bangthemafia, Alban
RadiantCowbells
Scum
Charles and Dave might be sorted at some time soon.

Please sum up reasons for your hierarchy, especially on me, Grey, Spade, Bang and RC.

I believe you must have mentioned these as you were posting, but it will be good to see them together in one post.

I've explained RC, spade, and Grey as much as I feel I can.
you, you feel like you're making up content, and when caught out you backpedal.
Bang feels like he's saying things that don't actually contribute and is just filler.

[Gamma Emerald]

The claim on page 1, it's a joke and should be taken as that. I don't think anyone in a town frame of mind, especially with partners would out themselves in that manner. Unless it was pre-organized before hand, which I very highly doubt anyone would do. Even if that role exist (I was unaware of such a role) it has to be taken not gospel.

Anyone jumping on that claim and berating it, is more likely to come from scum rather than town, as scum always look for a easy route to push without hindering much resistance. Especially when the 2 names mentioned in that claim, didn't back it up, gives scum more impetus to push further into it.

#15 Bang jumped straight onto it, but would not put a hand to vote it, especially with the mentality he demonstrated in that particular post. He was stancing that he was ready to go at it, but jumped onto RC.

The next few pages was aimed mostly at Spades confusion of the Wild Card role. I'm not sure what his mentality was when he decided to even come out with such a statement, but then still misunderstand the whole point of what is going on. Why come out claiming what you got?

RC then hogs a page or two by tunnelling NM for a reason I don't think I saw. I've seen town tunnel hard, but I've also seen scum do it also. What RC is doing up to page 6 of this game, is anti town and I don't agree with it. NM up to page 7 hasn't done anything to warrant being scum read so heavy from one person. Then there is the fake day vigging for reactions, doesn't alter my read on RC.

Page 7 Nice little attack from Alban without overly commiting then retreating, after all of that, I don't think you achieved anything in what you were aiming for. And ran out of ideas of what you were doing.

Right now, I'd lynch RC he is by far the scummiest player. I just don't see a town player taking his stance, and the self voting that just takes the biscuit. I don't think I've ever seen him self vote in such a manner, it's not even frustration, he's blaming everyone else and claims towns shit because nobody is willing to take him seriously, he's not even providing a case to follow, and it's down to the fact, there isn't even a case. How can town be shit if there is no case to follow? Or is it because your name is RC we all have to follow like sheep?

Second in the list to lynch would be Alban, I find it scummy that he put one foot forward then retreated softly because the case wasn't what he thought he could have presented.

We seem to be thinking on a similar wavelength here wrt to alban

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

So we just act on a whim without consulting others dave?

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until sunday camping trip yo

[Gamma Emerald]

? @ dave

[Gamma Emerald]

think you lynched charles

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh wanna lynch nm rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: not mafia
discredit rc, why

[Gamma Emerald]

you really think this course of action is wise grey
i won't let u off if nm flips scum

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think my vote is bad or not

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like NM's reaction to RC's claim

[Gamma Emerald]

I see.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, still feels off

[Gamma Emerald]

Bang's logic looks like scum trying to set up a lynch based on their own playstyle

[Gamma Emerald]

ok

[Gamma Emerald]

lynches I want rn
dave (warmed up to this once I saw the reasoning)
NM
bang

[Gamma Emerald]

?
Do you known how BH works?

[Gamma Emerald]

Does that mean you still suspect dave

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey
spade
vax
that's the dave wagon rn

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I am SRing those two as well so *eh*

[Gamma Emerald]

Can meta*

Read on spade, general actions and things you've said
don't like the "still on page 1" attack
VOTE: bangthemafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Firebringer had a post restriction that forced him to "talkz likez thisz" in a game

[Gamma Emerald]

This game is not role madness. There is the possibility of VTs.

[Gamma Emerald]

imo the only people who would make sense as VTs at this point are NM and Vax.
So you may be right, since a game with one VT still technically counts as role madness (also counts as normal btw)

[Gamma Emerald]

My reads so far. More for myself so that I don't have to re-read:
Town
Vax (reasonable, logical), NM (looks like in a tvt with RC)

Null
Bang (mixed reactions on his posts), Dave, Kop & Gamma (no clear reads on them), Grey (illogical, selective blindness towards Spade's scumtells. scumleaning)

Scum
Spade (very opportunistic. especially with buddying and jumping the votes wherever the wagon is going)

VOTE: Spade

Will elaborate in 24 hours.

Pedit: You are an idiot, Grey.

>proceeds to lynch before you can get these thoughts out
do it now

[Gamma Emerald]

@grey if you had checked the 'place on the site' where i was active between the two posts, you will realise how much more imp it was that i participated there.

If this game isn't worth your time, replace out.

Selective activity is scummy.

do I need to quote the post that explains the "right" way to pressure activity
because your way is terrible, and sorta scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

My reads so far. More for myself so that I don't have to re-read:
Town
Vax (reasonable, logical), NM (looks like in a tvt with RC)

Null
Bang (mixed reactions on his posts), Dave, Kop & Gamma (no clear reads on them), Grey (illogical, selective blindness towards Spade's scumtells. scumleaning)

Scum
Spade (very opportunistic. especially with buddying and jumping the votes wherever the wagon is going)

VOTE: Spade

Will elaborate in 24 hours.

Pedit: You are an idiot, Grey.

>proceeds to lynch before you can get these thoughts out
do it now

He already did.

Shading noted.

It was partly a joke referring to a past game

[Gamma Emerald]

ok well guess what
I'm pointing out things I take issue with, if that comes off as shading then whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

imo it's better to take a more respectful approach to selective activity, instead of assuming it is scummy, you should press them to explain it

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh black goo might be one of those roles you claim in your first post

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
In offsite games it's common for Judas to claim Saulus, but given the circumstances and site meta being different I trust Grey.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you lynch a jester it will flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Also we need to be careful now. Coz if anyone wants to be a cult, they would target u. These would be players who wanted to be scum but got both town roles. So those with town discards.

I don't think anyone will want to be a cult in between the game. Getting a wincon as a cult is quite difficult. So I doubt anyone would willing target me at night.

Cult doesn't have a nightkill, so they have to rely on mislynches, dodging death, and recruiting to win.

Nobody WANTS to be in a cult.

I agree i hav zero experience with cult. But I dont completely agred. Think of a player who wanted to play some anti town role but got both town cards. Black goo is like an angel to them.

Lack of night kill doesnt take away their fun of having anti town role, especially with a continuously increading chance of expanding faction

Black goo doesn't win with cult here

[Gamma Emerald]

OK that's fucked up.

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what I think?
I think bang is mafia/other scum trying his damnedest to lynch a townie player, so he can kill someone else tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
.
.
.
wait for it.
.
.
.
... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey counts as mafia for win condition purposes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
.
.
.
wait for it.
.
.
.
... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

You quote spade and call me scum?

Spade picked wild card. Do you still scumread him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
On my HS the policy is to play to your current wincon, but I don't know the exact policy here

[Gamma Emerald]

I am Survivor

[Gamma Emerald]

I am Survivor

Gamma, are there any variations to your role. Like, you just need to survive till day 3 kind?

A quick wikki read suggests that survivor role is essentially anti-town as scum now needs to focus on one less person to win their game. Your role could also be a liability to town at Lylo. If all you care is your wincon you could vote town and wait for scum to hammer.

We are sure there are 4 town members alive. Excluding the Saulus and the survivor, we could still have a maximum of 3 scum alive.

If you are indeed a survivor, the game now reduces to 8 players fighting for their wincons. I dont think scum will nk you.

Also, gamma what was the reason for your claim?

Look by my username

[Gamma Emerald]

Howz it that everyone who has claimed so far has come up with fantastic roles that are impossible to verify? Gamma, Spade and Grey are all lying imo.

Especially, Spade's claim. The melodrama in the beginning makes sense now. You wanted to post something that everyone will remember you by and which you could also revisit in future in case your roleclaim needed to be verified. You could just say, 'I had told you so long back'. Which you actually did cite, when someone asked you why didn't you claim in the beginning.

Gamma, why did you claim now? There was no pressure to reveal. In fact, if you are a survivor, you were doing a pretty good job till the revelation. Also, why would you give up a mild investigative role and want to be a survivor? If the idea was to play alone or a small faction, why did you give up now?

Did anyone notice Dave's strategy over Spade wagon (jumping onto it in the middle of sickness, abandoning it as soon as Spade claimed and then disappearing again)? Damn suspicious.

Don't like this "everyone is lying" mumbojumbo.

Fos: alban

Gamma, why did you claim now? There was no pressure to reveal. In fact, if you are a survivor, you were doing a pretty good job till the revelation. Also, why would you give up a mild investigative role and want to be a survivor? If the idea was to play alone or a small faction, why did you give up now?

My guess is he chose lyncher.

If a lyncher's target is killed via means other than lynch, the lyncher is converted into a Survivor.

If I was lyncher whose target was shot you'd see a lot more rage from me.
Either way, it wasn't real.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw v/la until monday

[Gamma Emerald]

Spade made the choice to be negative utility town

He picked wild card

[Gamma Emerald]

We are stalling. Take a decision and stick to it. I think everyone needs to present their list. Either make compromises, or go for no lynch. Waiting another week for some miracle to happen is a passive strategy. Not comfy with that.

My reads right now are (claims not withstanding coz they all seem fake):

Town

Vax (come back to the game)

Null
-

Scum/other faction lean
Not Mafia (opportunistic, deliberate absence, prodging),
Bang (too defensive, less contribution),
Grey (more interested in the lynch than the reasons for lynching),
Dave (Spade's wagon, pops up whenever mentioned, more interested in status quo than moving the game fwd),

Gamma (fake claim, discarded card),

Kop (deliberate absence, more interested in status quo than moving the game fwd)

Scum/Other factions
Spade (opportunistic, buddying and sheeping, interrogating others, divulging less, too defensive, less contribution even with so many posts, behavioural change from earlier games).

can we pls lynch this
the bolded are bad, at least imo